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You’re really trying to make us hate you, huh Denver?

by Royce Young on February 4, 2009 at 9:59 pm 28 Comments

As Denver inbounded the ball with 17 seconds left and Oklahoma City clinging to a one point lead, we were all thinking the same thing. Not again, not again, not again…Nuggets Thunder Basketball

But it happened. Again.

Carmelo Anthony hit an impossible runner in the lane with five seconds left, lifting the Nuggets to a 114-113 win over the Thunder. But two possessions really stand out in this ballgame like Kevin James with his shirt off. The possession with the pathetic kick call on Russell Westbrook and the last play by OKC.

First, the last play. Everybody knew the ball was going to Kevin Durant. And why shouldn’t it? That’s who I would’ve drawn up the final shot for. But on the inbounds pass to Westbrook, Nene switched on him. So Russell Westbrook, one of the quickest, most explosive guards in the league, has a 6-foot-11, 250 pound monster on him with the lane cleared out. Instead of recognizing this, the young rookie ran the play he was supposed to. The play is designed for KD, so I’m going to pass it to KD. The result? A 40-foot fadeaway heave by Durant that clanked off the rim. I guess we’ll just snap our fingers and say darn because RW is a rookie learning the ropes, but dang. Freaking dang.

Next, the “kick ball” with OKC down one with 40 seconds left. Look, I understand officials make bad calls. They’re human and they get a lot more right than wrong. I know I’d screw up a ton. But my biggest beef with officiating is the Out of Position Call. The one where the official behind the play with 16 people skewing his view decides to blow his whistle three seconds after the play to make a definitive, exaggerated call. And that’s exactly what happened here. Carmelo drove the lane and lost control of the ball. The ball took two bounces and Westbrook poked it to separate it from him and Melo. Westbrook scooped it up and took a step en route to a dunk and a one-point lead for OKC but that’s when the gray shirt with absolutely no clear view of the play blew his little whistle. That wasn’t really the difference, but a bad call nonetheless.

Like I’ve said, we’ve come a long way with this because back in December, I’m feeling pretty good about a one point loss to a 33-16 team. But not tonight. This should have been a win. No Chauncey Billups, no Kenyon Martin and a 17-point lead in the first half. Granted, OKC played well. 50 percent from the field, plus five on the boards, not too many turnovers and a one-point loss to a 33-16 team. But for some reason, I’ve just got a bad taste about it.

But since I’m pathetically optimistic, let’s look at some of the good. Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant. KD put up 31 on 10-19 shooting and also had eight rebounds and seven assists. Uh, he’s good. Jeff Green was solid with 24 and five and was 3-4 from downtown, but took just one free throw. One! Westbrook had 20 points, five assists and four rebounds. Those three guys were great, again. It’s so fun watching those three evolve and turn into a deadly trio. I can’t even imagine what they’ll be like in three years.

The 13-0 fastbreak run was wonderful. OKC was playing great, playing loose and stretching out to a 17-point lead. How-eva! Why is it that the Thunder can’t close first halves? This seems like a little trend here. The Thunder will go on a 12-2 run or something to grab a nice 12-point cushion with three minutes till chat time, but for some reason they trade buckets for a few possessions, then watch the other guys go on a 6-0 spurt to close the margin to eight or so. And most times, it carries over into the third. Instead of starting the second half with a 14-point lead, OKC is now up eight and two quick buckets to start the third from the bad guys and it’s a four-point game and you’re in a dogfight. It’s frustrating.

Another thing I didn’t like was Earl Watson matching up with J.R. Smith in the fourth. Earl loves that pesky, body-up, lean on you defense where he tries to poke at the ball and frustrate his guy to the point of freaking out and throwing the ball out of bounds just to get away from him. I know it’s because Watson is undersized and it’s his way of guarding a bigger guy, and he does a nice job for the most part. But against a guy like Smith, it doesn’t work. Smith needed two dribbles and he was around Watson for a wide open jumper. Or an on-the-ball screen to brush Watson off and there’s a free 20-footer for Smith. Scott Brooks finally put Westbrook back in the game to defend Smith and Russell did a nice job keeping him in front of him. Just three or four possessions too late with that sub.

It was another poor defensive game for OKC. The Nuggs shot 50.5 percent and had about 75 dunks. Seriously, Nene maybe had 25 on his own. I’ll have to check my DVR, but I don’t know if he scored on anything other than a flush. OK, that’s an exaggeration, but they seriously had a crap ton of dunks. At points the Thunder got the stop they needed, which was good. If they didn’t get a few of those, it would have been an eight-point loss. But too many second chances for the Nuggets and too many open looks for Smith and Anthony.

A few quick hits:

  • It was nice to have Joe Smith back just because, well, I don’t know why. But I like Joe Smith for some reason.
  • Kyle Weaver needs to learn how to score. And by “score” I mean, knock down wide the freak open jump shots. But I did think he played solid defense in the most minutes he’s played as a pro. I think he’s the best option to replace Desmond this year (unless Presti makes a move).
  • Nobody misses more shots from zero feet than Nenad Krstic. He worked hard on the glass and got some second chances, but for the love of Courtney Paris, put one of those point blankers in.
  • It only took five possessions, but the Thunder finally figured out Denver’s trap in the third quarter. Krstic flashed to the top of the key and knocked down a jumper and then Earl dribbled to one side and fired a bullet to Green for a dunk. Too bad they didn’t understand that after one or two tries.
  • My wife came in and saw The Birdman and said, “Oh my gosh. Are Robert Swift and that guy in a competition for ugliest player in the NBA? What in the Dennis Rodman is going on there?”
  • Brian Davis and Grant Long were in love with “The Birdman” puns tonight. “He didn’t fly high enough there.” “The Birdman soaring for a dunk.” “He flapped his wings to grab that rebound.” “Back to the nest.” “Yeah, he’s the one with the feathers.” Hilarious guys. Seriously, really good stuff there.
  • And as soon as the score clicked over to 111-111 I thought BD might have to change pants. No way he was missing this one. “Triple stick mans on the board for both teams.” Nothing gets by B-Diddy.

All in all, it was a good game and more fuel for the “I freaking hate Denver” fire. Hopefully, the Thunder can pick themselves up and dust themselves off for Friday night’s game against Portland. Oden v. Durant!

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Royce
Royce 5pts

Haha, I'm with you Mitch. Especially with their newspaper taking pot shots at our state.

Mitch Davison
Mitch Davison 5pts

Everybody can agree to hate the Jazz, can't we? They always play the game the right way, except that they're playing rugby, not basketball. (BTW, I hate the Jazz, if you didn't pick up on it already.)

Gimms
Gimms 5pts

@Royce

Ya I agree with you that your floor color choices would be better. Am I an idiot for caring about the floor color? Probably, but oh well!

Crow
Crow 5pts

Should have said No NW rivalries other than Denver.
Maybe Jazz could develop over time. Another battle of the small markets.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Denver-Oklahoma CIty rivalry is fairly organic choice based on what has happened so far but there are also both energy hub cities. Houston is that too. OKC and Dallas might be the most natural rivalry give geographic closeness. Memphis-OKC might matter a bit more to each other than normal now and could grow over time, for various reasons including ifg Griz go back to Seattle some day. Maybe San Antonio becomes a rivalry later- master vs student GM. I don't see any NW division rivalries at this time and there has been talk OKC might go to Southwest at some point. Some are thinking if Griz replace Thunder in NW it is a harbinger of Seattle getting a team eventually. But all that is speculative.

Royce
Royce 5pts

Exactly my point Martz. He either didn't have the confidence to take the blame if he decided to drive and abort the play, or he didn't recognize it.

It's something that in three years, we won't see again.

MartzMimic
MartzMimic 5pts

See guys, I just can't be that upset with Westbrook on the last play.

What have we repeatedly said: For Westbrook to become a complete point guard, he's going to have to learn when to pass the ball. That at some point, Brooks has to reign him in. I think that last night, they told him, "Get the ball to KD," and he was so intent on doing it that he didn't even consider that it wasn't the right thing to do in that situation. It was a very rookie mistake.

Royce
Royce 5pts

Gimms, I wonder the same thing. Probably because the Thunder just couldn't pick a color and since they have five, they're trying to incorporate them all any way they can. I like the court's simplicity, but I don't like the lane. I even think the logo looks good at midcourt and I'm not really a fan of the logo.

I personally would've rather had the side of the paint done in dark blue, lined with red/orange, but what do I know?

Gimms
Gimms 5pts

Crazy game last night. I don't know how close that one would have been if Billups and KMart play. But that is neither here nor there.

The end of the game was great to watch as both coaches battled wits and the players executed and attempted to execute the plays. The Thunder are going to be very good here soon so my Nuggets better get their lumps in now.

Post Script: Why do the Thunder paint their floor in Nuggets colors in the half court? I mean we are both in the Northwest division and you are telling me that Blue and Yellow is a good idea? Come on! Ha.
Nuggets take over on pickaxeandroll.com

AD
AD 5pts

@Monty

Probably not this year... but we are on your heels... looking forward to years of friendly competition between us...

Monty
Monty 5pts

Nuggies fan here.

@ Johnny: Totally feeling you on the rivalry. A couple barn burners this season.

Nothing but good things to say. Really happy with my team's luck and resiliency, but I can't believe how much fun it is to watch the Thunder too. They visibly improve - literally - every single game, and they play like they know it. Great stuff.

Everyone on our boards is talking about the last play too. Nene's pretty quick/long for a big man, but I find it hard to believe he could look off Westbrook. That's not going to happen too much more.

It's easy to be magnanimous when you're the winner, so let me say that I post this knowing you'll steal a few from us sometime too. I just hope it isn't THIS season.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Welcome to the forum Mitch.

Here's where my miffed meter sits with the last minute of the game.
Backcourt non call: not miffed.
Kicked Ball call: miffed.
Play call with 5.3 seconds to go: REALLY MIFFED! (insert glare here)

Also, take Earl with you. Please.

Royce
Royce 5pts

I was certain they got the call right as well Mitch. Thanks for clarifying. Gotta have possession and then the ball go back court.

I agree about the NW Division. The Wolves are on the way up, the Nuggs are going to be good as long as Melo is around, OKC has a strong core, the Jazz will be tough and we all know the Blazers are strong. The NW will be the new SW.

And also, I really like your team. A healthy Nugget roster is one that is going to be VERY tough in the postseason.

Mitch Davison
Mitch Davison 5pts

OK, so up front, I'm a die-hard Nuggets fan. The Thunder are just some experience away from being awesome. The top three are studs. Everyone knows about Durant, but Green and Westbrook are amazing. In two years, the NW division will be the best in basketball. I think Minny is on the way back, and Utah will always be there, with OKC and Portland on the definite upswing-Wow!

I also coach HS basketball, and at least in HS, that back-court was called correctly. On a throw-in, a bobble is not considered establishing possession.

Fun game. BTW, I think that Earl Watson kills us everytime we play you (and the Sonics). I think he's solid, but he makes some shots and plays that I think are over his head.

okcnba
okcnba 5pts

Ironically the think the game fell away because of Earl Watson. His stat line (12 points, 8 assists, and only 2 turnovers) is misleading. With 8 minutes left we were up by 4, earl was the floor general, when he left with under 4 minutes left we were down by four and unable to score, we put them up by 4 because of a turnover (terrible TERRIBLE pass by earl) which he capped off with a clear path foul, which was turned into a 4 point play for Denver. Thanks alot Earl, thanks for being as useless as a Segway.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Smith needed two dribbles and he was around Watson for a wide open jumper. Or an on-the-ball screen to brush Watson off and there’s a free 20-footer for Smith. Scott Brooks finally put Westbrook back in the game to defend Smith and Russell did a nice job keeping him in front of him. Just three or four possessions too late with that sub.

I was airing this same grievance in the previous thread. I was just sure JR had at least 100 points last night on that same exact play.

I wished to be a media reporter in the locker room last night...

Me: Coach Brooks, that last play of the game, did you draw it up like that?
Brooks: Well, it wasn't exactly what we wanted...
Me: But that was your play, correct?
Brooks: Well, yes, but I had some input from my staff and...
Me: Coach Brooks, now that you look back on how bad the design of that play actually was, how embarrassed are you? Is it the "Oops, I tripped on my shoelace" level, or the "Oops, I'm somehow naked on TV during the Super Bowl" level?

AD
AD 5pts

You know... all this discussion brings a question... Why do we have backcourt violation anyway?... What's the purpose?... Especially with the shot clock... What difference does it make if a player were to cross back over the lines?... Is this an outdated rule?

Royce
Royce 5pts

Hmm... I have no idea Dooney. Obviously, that play wasn't conjested. So if Carmelo was standing out there by himself and the ball goes right through his hands and he has to go back court to get it, it's not over and back?

I've always understood the rule to be you have to have possession, but the rule you posted doesn't make it seem that way. Is there no inbounding exception?

Dooney
Dooney 5pts

"Section X-Ball in Backcourt - a. A player shall not be the first to touch a ball which he or a teammate caused to go from frontcourt to backcourt while his team was in control of the ball. EXCEPTION: Rule 8-Section III-e (EXCEPTION).
b. During a jump ball, a try for a goal, or a situation in which a player taps the ball away from a congested area, as during rebounding, in an attempt to get the ball out where player control may be secured, the ball is not in control of either team. Hence, the restriction on first touching does not apply.
c. Following a jump ball, a player who secures a positive position and control of the ball in his frontcourt cannot pass the ball to a teammate or dribble the ball into the backcourt."

Was Jeff Green one on one with Carmello near midcourt "congested?"

AD
AD 5pts

Unreal :OKC doesn’t have a rivalry and you can’t just make one up, especially after two games against a team. You are hated by a lot of people, though, so there’s that.

Well... at least we have something to hang our hat on...

Joe
Joe 5pts

I just didn't understand the late game strategy at all. With 22 seconds, we are down one. That means if we hold the rock, we get the last shot. No, Durant drives and scores, leaving seventeen seconds on the clock???? Next Denver Drives and scores, leaving us down one, with five seconds on the clock? This was planned by Karl, you could see him on the sideline waving forward, telling his guys to get going. He was going to let his defense win it. Then with 5 seconds, we get the play Royce described above and lose?

Why in the world, if you are shooting 50 percent from the floor and almost 120 off efficiency, don't you hold the ball and take the last shot and never let Anthony do the late game heroics?? Unless somebody else can tell me otherwise, I think Brooks was outcoached there.

Oh well.

I noticed he went with Weaver down the stretch instead of the micro backcourt. But Weaver is going to get a complex if he starts avoiding open shots like he did a few times tonight.

I loved how Nick Collison actually had his hand cupped around Bird Man's wrist on that dunk, and Brian Davis said "all ball".??

Now the fun starts. Portland on Friday. Portland has an offensive efficiency of 121 the last five games and is 4 and 1......sheesh.

Unreal
Unreal 5pts

OKC doesn't have a rivalry and you can't just make one up, especially after two games against a team. You are hated by a lot of people, though, so there's that.

Johnny
Johnny 5pts

I know it's still early and we don't even have a mascot yet, but I was sitting at the game tonight wondering, "When will the Thunder have a rival?" Or, "Will the Thunder have a rival?"

Just the way the last two games against the Nuggets have ended make me think that a Denver-Oklahoma CIty rivalry would be pretty cool.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Stevenson's not shooting well and a past character issue probably would remove him from Presti's sights anyways.

Brian
Brian 5pts

I remembered i mentioned this before in regards to acquiring a swingman to compliment Kevin Durant and also help on D. Deshawn Stevenson anyone?

Royce
Royce 5pts

But in a weird way, it's a good thing that games like this leave feeling that way. Sure beats trying to find the light in a one-point loss and a 3-29 record.

AD
AD 5pts

I park on the other side of the Bot. Gardens for two reasons...

1. Its free
2. the walk back to my truck helps me vent

I'm with you Royce 100%... earlier in the season, I would have walked back and felt absolutely great that we played Denver so close... Tonight I was pissed that we lost... quite a difference a month makes... We have alot of loose ends to tie up with this ballclub... The positive thing is how truly impressive our young 3 are...

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