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Friday Bolts – Reaction Edition

by Royce Young on June 26, 2009 at 8:15 am 70 Comments

First off, congrats to Chris Arrnold who won our Daily Thunder MockTest! He got both Thunder picks correct (Harden at No. 3 and Beaubois at No. 25), was within one of Rubio going to Minnesota and also got Curry to the Warriors correct. Congrats. Technically it was a three-way tie for first with 40 total points, but I gave Chris the victory due to a made up on the spot tiebreaker which said most correct Thunder picks won. Nick Johnson and Kyle Dahlgren were the runners-up, but neither had a correct Thunder pick.

Source: Oklahoma City is reportedly high on James Harden. What’s that? The draft’s over? Oh awesome. No more of that crap. draft9_gallery_090625

Somebody wasn’t that happy with the Harden pick: “Where to start, this pick was awful.  I always thought Sam Presti was smarter than making a choice based on team need when a special player was available.  James Harden could be good, but I don’t ever see him being more than a middling NBA starter.  He reminds me a lot of Kirk Snyder, except not as athletic … I am still clinically depressed about the #3 pick.  Ninety minutes ago I had visions of Ricky Rubio firing up this young team and novice crowd with alley-00p passes and leading the Thunder to a surprise playoff birth next season.  Now, I’m questioning whether Sam Presti can make good decisions in free agency and pull off trades that take advantage of the cap space.”

Chad Ford: “We knew for months it was probably Harden or Rubio, and about 15 minutes before the draft we changed our mock draft to put Harden here. He’s a great fit in the backcourt with Russell Westbrook and one of the most NBA-ready players in the draft. Obviously the Thunder couldn’t make a trade with a team wanting Rubio. And you have to ask yourself, did Russell Westbrook make this pick for Sam Presti? He was fighting hard against Rubio and looks like he won.”

Chad Ford on the 25 pick: “The Mavs are trading this pick to the Thunder for No. 25 and a future second-round pick. The Thunder have been looking to get Mullens for weeks and tried to get up as high as No. 14 to get him. Clearly, Sam Presti sees something he likes. Mullens reminds me a lot of a young Darko Milicic, for both good and bad — he’s skilled and athletic, but he doesn’t really know how to play.”

And Ford grades OKC giving the Thunder an A-: “While I thought the Thunder might be able to use Ricky Rubio as a trade asset, if nothing else, it’s hard to fault Sam Presti. Harden is a better fit in the backcourt with Russell Westbrook, and I think the Thunder got a terrific value pick in Mullens. On talent and upside, he was one of the most intriguing players in the draft. If coach Scott Brooks can get effort from him, the Thunder will have intriguing young talent at every position on the floor.”

FanHouse grades OKC a B+: “James Harden (No. 3), Rodrigue Beaubois (No. 25) traded to Dallas; acquired Robert Vaden (No. 54) from Charlotte. Comment: The Thunder seem to have two areas of need: Shooting guard and center. Make that one. Harden was the best two-guard in the draft, and while he might not be the most spectacular wing player you’ll see, he’s got the makings of a good, solid starting off guard for the next decade.”

Sam Presti speaks about the pick. (Video)

Darnell Mayberry: “So the next time you wonder why Presti passed on Rubio, the 18-year-old sensation, remember the Thunder way. Remember how Rubio’s buyout raised red flags. Remember how his camp made demands about where the teenager would and would not play and for which teams he would and would not workout with or even visit. Remember Rubio’s father threatening, not one hour after the draft, that Rubio would remain overseas rather than report to Minnesota, the team that took him fifth. Remember that the final decision had much less to do with incumbent point guard Russell Westbrook’s feelings and everything to do with this organization’s feelings on outside noise.”

SI: “The Thunder add one of the most well-rounded, NBA-ready players on the board, a standing undiminished by disappointing NCAA tournament showings. Harden has a pro body for a shooting guard and the ability to score and handle the ball. He joins a promising nucleus of Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant and Jeff Green … There are real issues about his desire to play and get better, but his potential is unquestioned. One GM said Mullens has the talent to be a top-five pick. He’s the second center of the first round, long after Hasheem Thabeet went second to Memphis.”

The Baseline: “Harden is a wonderful kid who is an overwhelmingly powerful shooting guard. He can power past defenders to get to the lane and is a solid shooter. What is worrisome about Harden is how reticent he was about taking control of games. He almost ached to blend in with his teammates, and great players don’t worry about that. A star’s job is to be a star, and Harden too often was reluctant to be that guy.”

Chris Silva on James Harden: “The Thunder saw something special in James Harden long before the Arizona State guard came to town for a workout earlier this month, but he made an even better impression on the organization by the time he left. During his two-day visit to Oklahoma City, Harden said he had a solid overall workout, shot the ball well and got a good vibe from everyone he came into contact with. But it was what Harden did the morning he left town for his next workout that spoke volumes about his work ethic. Before heading to the airport, Harden went out of his way to return to the Thunder practice facility, where he put up more jump shots and lifted weights before it was time to go. It was as if Harden never wanted to leave. Now, it appears as if he will be here for a while.” Mmmm. Work ethic.

Ricky Rubio, not psyched about Minny: “But the 18-year-old Spaniard was not playing that game. “Are you excited to go to Minnesota?” he was asked. It was a fair question. It’s a team with quality big men, and a mandate for change. What more could a young point guard want? “I’m excited,” he responded, “to come to the NBA.” He said his mother hated cold weather. He was asked about whether being picked by the T-Wolves might inspire him to stay in Europe. He said: “I don’t know yet. I have to think about that … I’m going to talk to my agent about that and we’re going to see.”

Dan Shanoff: “I think James Harden was the most solid pick — the best pick — for the Thunder, who can pair him with Westbrook in a long, active backcourt. Harden can’t shoot the 3? So what: Durant can.”

Fox Sports: “Drafting Harden gives the Thunder four young studs (Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, and Jeff Green). Not too many NBA teams can match that kind of youth and talent. Harden is a mature player who can shoot it from distance and is underrated athletically. He should be able to contribute to Thunder immediately. He won’t make OKC an immediate winner, but they sure have a bright future and are headed in the right direction. Plus, anyone who wears that bowtie has to have a boatload of confidence.”

Simmons: “The Zombie Sonics take … James Harden. And thank God, I didn’t want to turn on Seattle. I really didn’t. “He’s battled asthma since he was a child,” Scott tells us. How does Rubio drop to No. 4? How?!? I feel like I’m gonna pass out. I like Harden as a glue-character guy and he definitely has a good porn name. But considering the Zombies have to worry about Durant fleeing in a couple of years, wasn’t it in their best interests to find him an unselfish guard who’s immensely fun to play with and was put on the earth to get Durant easy baskets? Big mistake … Although I like the way Harden is handling this Jones interview right now (very smooth); I like his bow tie (sharp); and I really like his retro-James Worthy beard (tremendous). He’s definitely one more solid character guy for the Zombies. Logical pick. You know, except for the part where they passed on a guy with Bird-Barry-Magic-Nash-Maravich passing genes.”

Berry Tramel: “When David Stern announced the name, “James Harden,” groans ricocheted around The Oklahoman newsroom. Same with the Thunder draft party at Riverwind Casino, various Internet chats and probably all over Boomtown. But rest assured, somewhere in Los Angeles, Russell Westbrook smiled wider than the Santa Monica Freeway.”

Dime: “Harden is one of my favorite players in the draft, and this is definitely the right pick for the Thunder (although I hate them). I question Mark Jackson’s logic that taking Rubio would have been OKC’s best option because “it allows you to take Russell Westbrook off the ball,” as if that’s a problem. Jackson does know that Westbrook is a very good PG, right?”

Travis Heath of HoopsWorld: “Truth be told, Harden is actually a better fit for the Thunder than Rubio. He’s a very good shooting guard who is much more than just a scorer. He’s a solid all around player who doesn’t need to have the ball in his hands to be effective, which will make him a very nice fit next to Kevin Durant. Harden’s selection also shows just how much the Thunder believe in Russell Westbrook, the point guard the team drafted out of UCLA last season.It may sound crazy to some, but the Thunder are creeping ever closer to becoming a playoff team after this selection. The organization is doing it the right way by building through the draft and selecting steady players who fit well together, too. It should be an exciting season in 2009-10 for fans in Oklahoma City.”

HoopsWorld: “This pick is classic Presti in that is was very forward-thinking. Like his decision to pick up free agent point guard Shaun Livingston, Oklahoma City has become a great place to foster talent. Without any pressure to win now, Coach Scott Brooks can put Mullens behind Jeff Green while he learns the nuances of the NBA.”

Sam Amico: “James Harden was the natural fit, so GM Sam Presti is clearly pleased with his team’s progress and stayed away from the Rubio curveball. There may be temptation to move Russell Westbrook off the ball at a later time, but for now, letting him soak in experience at the point remains the right move. Harden will challenge Sefolosha for a starting spot and will fit right in with the rest of OKC’s workaholics. Byron (no longer B.J.) Mullens intrigued the Thunder as they search for a center to place with their core, and at the No. 24 spot, is well worth the gamble, even at an additional cost of an extra second-round pick. Oklahoma City also spent some money to buy the rights of UAB’s Robert Vaden, a gunner who will have an opportunity to shoot himself on to the roster. Grade: B.”

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Joe
Joe 5pts

It sounded in the exit interviews like Kyle, DJ, Durant, Green and Westbrook are all very tight. They all mentioned travelling around the country to spend time with each other. Even to Alabama to hang with DJ and Wisconsin for Kyle. I think this is great. And all of those guys are within two years of age of each other. Only Kyle and DJ were four year guys, RW was two, Green three, Harden 2 and Durant one. So everybody is 23 or less from that group give or take.

nick
nick 5pts

i was hosed by sam presti! i should have won the MockTest! haha

daniel
daniel 5pts

Royce :@Mike

Harden and Westbrook have evidently been friends since they were 11. So we’re off to a good start.

Yeah, but what about that big fight they had when they were 13 over who would take Becky to the dance? Those kind of wounds take years to heal.

;)

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Mike
Harden and Westbrook have evidently been friends since they were 11. So we're off to a good start.

Mike
Mike 5pts

It would be awesome to hear that Harden joins the current trio not just on the court, but in their buddy-buddy group. all i read about is how good of friends they are, i think Harden will fit right in. How many teams have all their best players hang out and actually like each other off the court?

daniel
daniel 5pts

I love the headline Silva had, 'Harden Eager to Learn, Bond With New Teammates'. When I read it, the following scenario occurs to me:

Reporter walks into the Thunder practice facility. He hears some voices in the locker room and asks the staff guy next to him who it is. "Oh, that's Harden talking with some of the other players". Reporter says "Cool. I think I'll go in there and have a chat." Staff guy: "No, don't do that! Leave them alone - they're 'bonding'!"

Can't mess with the bonding process.
:)

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Mike
And to potentially be part of a very good thing.

I think people overvalue the "big market" thing. I think players want to be part of a good situation and OKC looks like a very good one.

Mike
Mike 5pts

having a guy who wants to be with this team is a good feeling. OKC might be a better FA destination than some TV-types are thinking, especially if you take Durant's recent comments about staying as being honest truth.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@daniel
Yeah, Harden actually looks happy to be pointing to Oklahoma City. If you take a look at some of the other player pics and how they are holding or interacting with the team ball in the picture, it's pretty funny.

daniel
daniel 5pts

The more I look at that Harden pic, the more I like it. It makes me feel good. It's a happy, sunshiny day pic. I think I'll use it as my background image on the 'puter.

daniel
daniel 5pts

Royce :
Absolutely daniel.
Taylor will work his butt off. I’d love to have him.

yep, but the globetrotters are disappointed!

Royce
Royce 5pts

Absolutely daniel.

Taylor will work his butt off. I'd love to have him.

daniel
daniel 5pts

oh, I almost forgot... congrats Taylor Griffin! Suns are getting a good one.

Royce
Royce 5pts

@J.G.
Precisely.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Royce
Which means that Phoenix Suns lottery pick is getting close to being a top 5. :)

Royce
Royce 5pts

Amare to Golden State is getting close.

daniel
daniel 5pts

@J.G.
"For daniel, the numbers on the balls represented the year the franchises came into existence, not the jersey numbers of the players."

Ahhhhhhhhh. Well, you learn something new every day. So today is taken care of.

daniel
daniel 5pts

Royce :@Mike@J.G

David Kahn = visionary.
.
David Kahn = draft genius.
I wish Kahn were our GM. We’d have a starting five of Westbrook, Rubio, Flynn, Calathes and probably Livingston to play down low.

David Kahn = Wile E. Coyote, Genius

(better grab that umbrella, here comes the anvil!)

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Royce
Well they'd certainly be the best passing team in the league. Too bad there's only 24 seconds on the shot-clock though.

Over/Under - 1000 shot clock violations a year?

For daniel, the numbers on the balls represented the year the franchises came into existence, not the jersey numbers of the players.

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Mike
David Kahn = visionary.

@J.G.
David Kahn = draft genius.

I wish Kahn were our GM. We'd have a starting five of Westbrook, Rubio, Flynn, Calathes and probably Livingston to play down low.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

By the way, David Kahn just told Mike & Mike that the reason he didn't take Stephen Curry at 6 is because he and his dad told him them time and time again that Curry is a point guard, not a shooting guard (oh that's not even it, just wait for it). He then said that Stephen's size at 6'3 would hurt their team defensively if he was paired with Rubio in their backcourt.

So he drafted 6'0, pass first point guard Johnny Flynn instead.

Good grief.

Mike
Mike 5pts

@Royce
didn't you mention something about Scotty Brooks thinking that the wave of the future could be 5 point guards running the floor together?

maybe Kahn is actually a visionary and the true genius!?!?

i like the idea of two ball handlers complementing each other (which is what appealed to me about Russ & Rubio) but in a combo guard sense. Like Monta/Curry in GS now. Or Russ/Curry could've been. But two true point guards who don't project to be of the combo variety and possess similar skills makes my head itch.

daniel
daniel 5pts

Don't know much about Mullins and practically nothing about Vaden. I'll have to educate myself about them. But for now, I'm extremely happy with the Harden pick. Excellent addition to our club.

This team is really starting to gel and form something unique. Westbrook and Weaver added at the beginning of the season. Then Krstic added near mid-season, followed by Thabo at the All-Star break. Then, near the end, DJ finally shows up and we scoop up Livingston from seemingly nowhere. And now Harden.

Sam has definitely moved the team away from what it was when Durant was originally drafted and it has now taken on a new and, I believe, very tight and cohesive feel. This is not some old, revamped Sonics unit. This is a new OKC unit with Presti stamped all over it. And it's looking really good. And, of course, there's more to come in the months ahead with trades. Next season is going to be a blast.

Rise together!

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Clark Matthews
Oh, and one last thing.

If the "alot" to your opinion, was the part where you should they should trade for Ben Gordon if they want Ben Gordon instead of Harden, then I'm even more disappointed. I chalked that up to draft day heartbreak temporarily rendering you blindsided to the fact that A) Ben Gordon may be the worst "team" player in the league, B) He can't defend a coat rack AND, most importantly, C) Will cost about 3 times as much as Harden (I'm being cautious at $10 million).

The Thunder don't just need a "shooter," as you put it, they need an all around guy with great passing skills to compliment RW's lack of elite passing ability and who is willing to defer to Durant as top scoring dog and do the dirty work of the team. Do any of those things sound like an overpaid Ben Gordon...or a more expensive Kyle Korver, for that matter?

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

And if he really expected Rubio to stay in Minnesota, why draft Johnny Flynn? Unless he is the most common-sense challenged general manager in basketball history (and that actually is looking like he's picking up steam to claiming it), everyone knows that you do not choose two point guards who are ABSOLUTELY pass first players who have to have the ball in their hands to make any kind of impact. Johnny Flynn is a pass-first, score second point guard just like Rubio. And there is no way either of them will be a capable off-ball guard in the NBA.

Unless Kahn is a moron, he chose Flynn or Rubio to keep with the intention of moving either or, especially since he's so keen on stockpiling assets. My money would be on Rubio since he has more value, and since he doesn't have to play right away.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Clark Matthews
Okay, well something went awry over my response, so I'll retype it.

I'll have to respectfully disagree with pretty much everything you said. Like I said when we traded for Thabo and everyone didn't think he'd still minutes away from Weaver, "Please, he will be our new starting shooting guard." The same goes for Harden. It's not even close.

Second, if you actually thought that Presti would draft Harden to try and trade him for Rubio and spare parts (a deal that has absolutely no leverage whatsoever), then you haven't been paying attention to A). The needs of the Thunder (3 point shooting, court vision, high basketball IQ) and B. Everything that's been going on in the last month, since Harden spent more time here with the Thunder group than any other prospect.

And the sheer fact that you used DAVID KAHN to support your argument should show just how poor it really is. I'm glad Kahn thinks Rubio is a cornerstone impact player, because that's what he'll have to keep shouting from the mountaintop to use Rubio as trade bait.

I mean, Clark...David Kahn, really?

daniel
daniel 5pts

For your enjoyment, the Griffin-interviews-Harden video:

The Water Bottle Interview

awesome!

Kev
Kev 5pts

We've beenn over this - if you don't like Simmons and Tramel then that's cool - we have been debating this all week, and a lot of us thought that it could work - you can't worry about perfect fits when you are 23-59 . . .

I wanted BPA, but we got Harden . . .

hey, at least we didn't get Thabeet . . .

Rob
Rob 5pts

Do these paid sports writers not actually learn about the teams or just look at their record and guess what they need? Trammel and Simmons for this argument. If we picked up Rubio, we would be right where we started, a PG who is not a great shooter and a 2 guard who is the same. Russell had pretty good stats for a PG at the end of the year(minus all the turnovers) and now it looks like Rubio might just stay in Spain instead of playing in Minneapolis, is OKC really that much bigger? Harden is a perfect fit for us and it seems like he is excited to come here also. Zombie Sonics? I thought we were done with this a year ago.

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Mike
That's such a great point Mike. Harden is fired up. I like that.

daniel
daniel 5pts

btw, don't know if any of you are reading him, but Darnell has been pretty active on his twitter page since he started it

http://twitter.com/DarnellMayberry

i'm diggin his posts

Mike
Mike 5pts

I get goose-bumps James Harden beat his chest after getting picked. He's pumped to be here. How often do you see that in the NBA draft? Guys who are ecstatic to be where they are? I'm excited about having James Harden.

Also on Harden, I'd expect Harden's 3pt% to be lower in college than his skill level because he had to carry that team so he probably forced a lot of errant shots. In OKC, that won't be the case. That's why I'm wondering why everyone is hating on the fact that Harden may not be a superstar. We don't need another Durant. We need great NBA players to fill out the starting lineup and I think Harden will be that and more.

Bernard
Bernard 5pts

Hey, it's not like PG cannot play off the ball.
Harden can handle the ball for a while and make a beautiful pass to RW for the cut.
I dont see anything wrong with that.

Alex
Alex 5pts

Rubio is not going to show-up at the T-Wolves draft press conference today with Flynn and Ellington, and yet GM Kahn says to "not read anything" into his absence...What a joke.

daniel
daniel 5pts

WTLC has a really nice "dope sheet" on Harden:

http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2009/6/26/925735/james-harden-dope-sheet-all-the

Vega
Vega 5pts

Presti should call the Blazers and try to pry away Patty Mills. Seriously, how did he fall so far?

daniel
daniel 5pts

also, KD tweets that he'll be in OKC this weekend. Don't know exactly what that means, but hmmmm....

daniel
daniel 5pts

Sat. 2pm MidFirst Bank at 5800 N Western in OKC

meet the new players. be there or be L7.

(can you make it Joe? it's only 1000+ miles away, hehe)

Cpt. C-Note
Cpt. C-Note 5pts

we can package Watson and Swift inf Minn wants some more crap!

Cpt. C-Note
Cpt. C-Note 5pts

I think Minn should look to get Wall with next years pick. If your gonna start a team with 4+ PG's , might as well get a fith, right!!

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@Clark Matthews
The most important thing, imo, isn't whether Harden has a high 3 pt. percentage. We're not trying to become the Orlando Magic or anything. What's critical is that opposing teams can't ignore our SG as a scoring threat anymore. His mere presence on the floor will get more open looks for Jeff, KD, and Russ. And in case you didn't notice, Kevin and Jeff shot threes pretty well last year.

@ Kev: I think if Presti really wants Gortat, he'll be able to get him. The MLE might not be enough, but he would give us a nice finesse/power rotation with Krstic.

GAP
GAP 5pts

I guess i'm always the one looking for the silver lining but, i'm really starting to think we got a steal with the Vaden pick. Judging by is highlight vids he has a heck of a shooting stroke and can shoot off the dribble not to mention his catch and shoot skills.

Royce
Royce 5pts

Also, Harden shot over 40 percent his freshman season from three. Which is exactly what Brandon Roy shot his last season at UW.

Royce
Royce 5pts

Clark Matthews :

J.G. :Does Dan Shanoff now anything about Harden? Can’t shoot the 3? Did he mix things up and think we took Tyreke Evans?

Harden’s three point shooting percentage in college was two percentage points higher than Kirk Snyder (who I compared him to in my blog), and no one was afraid of Snyder shooting the three in the NBA.

It's also two percentage points higher than Paul Pierce's college numbers. Sure you can compare him to Kirk Snyder, but don't do it just because their percentage numbers are similar.

Kev
Kev 5pts

I thik Harden will be a good player for us , he does have a rare game for a 2 guard - he loves to pass the ball - hopefully he can find ways to get Krsric the ball. I think DJ will benefit from Harden's penetration, as James will find him for spot up jumpers . . .

------------------

Will we have enough money to sign Gortat???

Royce
Royce 5pts

Is it next year yet? I'm ready.

Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts

J.G. :Does Dan Shanoff now anything about Harden? Can’t shoot the 3? Did he mix things up and think we took Tyreke Evans?

Harden's three point shooting percentage in college was two percentage points higher than Kirk Snyder (who I compared him to in my blog), and no one was afraid of Snyder shooting the three in the NBA.

Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts

@J.G. David Kahn called Rubio a "transformative player" when talking about their picks last night. Before the draft, there were reports that Kahn feels Rubio would have the same impact as a cornerstone to a team that Durant has. I'm pretty sure they selected him with the intent of getting him in a Wolves uniform.

On another note, why is Mayberry bringing up that Rubio was selective in who he would tryout for as support for taking Harden? Harden refused to talk with any teams outside the top-5. He wouldn't even talk to Minnesota (who always had the 6th pick) until they acquired Washington's top-5.

Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts

@J.G. There was a lot to my opinion. I'd suggest reading all of it. I don't think I came to that conclusion lightly. Personally, I don't think Harden will end up taking a whole lot of minutes from Sefolosha, so I don't see where this pick really improves the team.

daniel
daniel 5pts

GAP :@daniel

Give me the time and place for that meet and greet with the players pls.

Sure. Read this:

http://www.nba.com/thunder/news/midfirst_090609.html

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