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The Trap and Myth of the Next

by Royce Young on June 10, 2009 at 10:01 am 40 Comments

Around draft time – or really around any time – whenever a young player’s name gets brought up, the inevitable happens. He gets compared to someone else. Oh yeah, I see a lot of Josh Smith in him … He’s got a bigger Brandon Roy written all over him … If he develops a jumper, he’s the next Dwyane Wade. It’s unavoidable.

It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it’s also not always fair to the player. Immediately, he’s got expectations placed on him. If the young prospect doesn’t at least reach the level of the player he’s being compared to, it’s almost like he’s failed. When in reality, he didn’t ask for the comparisons. He didn’t ask for the expectations.

FreeDarko’s Macrophenomenal Pro Basketball Almanac has a chapter titled “The Myth of the Next” where they look at who players were compared to early on in their career.

Some front offices rely on the hunches of grizzled intuitives, others on mountains of data. At times, out of weakness or frustration, these brave men and women turn toward a false idol: the Myth of the Next. Based, some say, on the Stoic notion of Eternal Return, the principal states that everything that has happened before in the NBA must happen again, and soon; in each year’s crop of fresh meat, they see reflected images of last season’s All-Star rosters. It’s effect is insidious, as what begins as an offhand comparison becomes hype, which is then all too easily transformed into regrettable action. Hopefully these recent examples can serve as a cautionary tale for organizations everywhere.

Brilliant stuff. A very recent and poignant example of an offhand comparison becoming snowballed hype can be found in Ricky Rubio and his Pete Maravich link. Some examples FreeDarko uses:

Myth of the Next Dirk Nowitzki – Pau Gasol, Darko Milicic, Nikoloz Tskitishvili
Myth of the Next Dwyane Wade – Brandon Roy, Rodney Stuckey, Randy Foye
Myth of the Next Magic Johnson – Penny Hardaway, Jalen Rose, Toni Kukoc
Myth of the Next Tracy McGrady – J.R. Smith, Dorell Wright, Gerald Green

There’s many more, but the point rings true – just because a player resembles another’s skillset and abilities, doesn’t mean he will turn out to be that same guy. And you have to be very careful tagging someone that way or you could end up looking like Dean Blevins on painkillers. In other words, stupid.

But in the same respect, comparing players is an easy way to put a player’s skillset in perspective. I’m guilty of it all the time. I see a guy and I say, “He reminds me a lot of Vince Carter.” Because the way he moves, the way he shoots, the way he jumps – it just looks like Vince Carter to me. And an easy way to describe that player’s abilities is just to say, “He’s a lot like Vince Carter.” That doesn’t mean he is the next Vince Carter, but more that his play resembles him. There’s a fine line there.

And while this Vince Carterish player, let’s call him “DeMar”, are completely different ballplayers, the comparison can ring true while all they may have in common are some similar skills. Again, to be clear, I’m not saying people should stop doing this. It’s an easy way to understand the skills of a specific player. But more than anything, the point of this is to show how wrong we can be sometimes in what we see.

For this year’s draft, Blake Griffin has been compared to Carlos Boozer, Amare Stoudemire and a worst-case-scenario David Lee. James Harden is seen as Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy or a worst-case Jason Terry. Hasheem Thabeet has been tagged as the next Dikembe Mutombo, Samuel Dalembert or worst-case Desagana Diop. Jordan Hill is a better rebounding Chris Wilcox or a worst-case Ronny Turiaf according to Draft Express (are they saying that because he kind of resembles both, or because of their actual skill set?) Stephen Curry is seen as another Mike Bibby. The comparisons go on and on. Some I can see, some I can’t. Some, time will obviously tell.

But how spot on will those comparisons be in say five years? Two years? Next year? For fun, let’s look at a few from the past:

Kevin Durant was called a more athletic Dirk Nowitzki, a hybrid Kevin Garnett or a worst-case, Rashard Lewis. Do you see that? I actually see KD as his own player. He really doesn’t fit any mold. He has so many skills, you can’t nail him down. Not many 6’10 guys can shoot, dribble, jump and move like he does. I think the best comparison for Kevin Durant is that he’s the next Kevin Durant.

Jeff Green was tagged as Boris Diaw or a worst-case, Luke Walton. I definitely don’t see either of those. I see a slightly less gifted Lamar Odom. But even still, that’s not all that accurate.

Russell Westbrook was seen as Leandro Barbosa or worst-case, Shannon Brown. I don’t see that comparison to Barbosa at all and obviously he’s not Shannon Brown. If anything, I see a little Tony Parker, but without the floor command. The Barbosa comparison was really tossed around a ton this time last year, but Russ is far more athletic than Barbosa.

O.J. Mayo was tagged as another Chauncey Billups. Except for the running an offense, playing point guard, playing great defense, being an incredible leader and taking good shots, I totally see this.

Al Horford was compared to Emeka Okafor. Except at no point, did either resemble each other’s game. Okafor is offensively challenged. Horford has a nice, polished big man game. I feel like Okafor is the cop-out comparison. If a guy is at least 6’10, is long and can block a few shots but his offensive game is questionable, he’s another Emeka Okafor. Look through Draft Express’s comparisons. Like 30 players are either best-case Emeka Okafor or in some instances, worst-case Emeka Okafor.

Mike Conley was a best-case Chris Paul. (Spits water all over the computer.) I guess that one didn’t work out so well.

Greg Oden was compared to lots of great big men, including David Robinson and Bill Russell. Yeeeeeah.

Joakim Noah was tabbed “Marcus Camby meets Boris Diaw.” I have no idea what that means. Seriously, no clue.

Adam Morrison was seen as a shorter Dirk Nowitzki or even some called him the next Larry Bird. Really. They did. I think a taller Dirk Diggler or the next Larry David would have been closer than those two comparisons.

Chris Paul was compared to Kevin Johnson. Talk about selling somebody short. K.J. was a nice player, but Chris Paul is looking like a once in a long while point guard. I’m breaking the unwritten “Don’t compare black players to white players” rule here, but CP3 is a flashier John Stockton, but without the sexy, pale upper thighs.

Andrew Bogut was seen as a combo of Brad Miller and Vlade Divac or worst-case, Chris Kaman. I actually think the worst-case comparison is a better complement than the best-case. Maybe. Either way, that’s a pretty low comparison for the No. 1 overall pick.

More than anything, there’s really no point, except to look back on what people saw at the time some of these guys were drafted. And to be weary of getting caught up in the Myth of the Next. So when we say we see Manu Ginobili in James Harden, it’s probably unlikely we’ll see it three years from now. Maybe we will. But probably not. It’s easy to see similarities in their games – the left hand, the good dribble skills, a good mid-range game, smart player. It’s all there. But that doesn’t mean Harden will be as good as Ginobili. Heck, he may be better. And it also doesn’t mean Harden is the next Ginobili. It just means they are similar players. Does that make any sense at all?

If there’s anything to learn, it’s that each player is his own talent in his own regard. There’s no two Oscar Robertson’s. There’s no two David Robinson’s. There’s no two Michael Jordan’s. There’s just one LeBron James, one Greg Oden and one Kobe Bryant. And they’ll turn out how they turn out. It’s all a crapshoot and nobody really knows. Players can absolutely have similarities that remind you of someone else’s game, but they aren’t the next version of that person. Sometimes it’s hard to remember that.

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kenneth
kenneth 5pts

I saw a sta comparison and Kevin Durants(statistically) as a SF version of Kobe Bryant, Russ was a more athletic Mike Bibby, and Jeff was a poor man's Lamar Odom,

kenneth
kenneth 5pts

I saw a sta comparison and Kevin Durants,statistically) as a SF version of Kobe Bryant, Russ was a more athletic Mike Bibby, and Jeff was a poor man's Lamar Odom,

James
James 5pts

A good read.......but Bogut is better now than Miller at his best, and still might be better than Vlade if he re-discovers the perimeter shot he had before leaving Australia. Despite him being a different player to both.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Multi-position players can help with match-up flexibility and that is a nice extra but the quality of the guys at their main spot and the fit with the other main guys comes before sliding folks around based on the opponent. They need strong positive adjusted +/- and strong player pairs to be sliders. It is easier to simply try to find guys with specific skills and a position that make specific lineups work well. Just get something that works at lineup level and use it a lot. The finalists have a few multi position players and it is important but you gotta have some solid pieces too to slide around.

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Chas
It's a solid question. More than anything, I think Presti has a mold in which he's trying to build. He wants guys that can play different positions, can fit in different lineups and make the team as a whole, very versatile. He may have had visions of Durant at the two and Green at three, but obviously that's changed. And because he drafted guys that are able to adapt and move positions, he was able to drop Green to power forward and move Durant to three like it was no problem. Which again, I think is the whole idea - giving yourself room to move and play within your own lineup.

At least that's the way I see it. Does that make sense?

Chas
Chas 5pts

This could a question to the audience or Royce. If Durant and Green are so similar, why would Presti pick them in the same draft? Do you think he had other intentions for them (trading one of them)? Did he think Durant would play SG and Green SF? Or is this exactly what he expected and we should stop worrying b/c in Presti we trust?

Zach Harper
Zach Harper 5pts

Kevin Durant always reminded me of a really good Jonathan Bender.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

I like Noah. I love his defensive intensity. I feel for the kid, because of all the mess coaching/staff-wise he's had to inherit so far.

Crow
Crow 5pts

"Joakim Noah was tabbed “Marcus Camby meets Boris Diaw.” I have no idea what that means. Seriously, no clue. "

If that means he rebounds and defends and plays a constructive role on offense then his first 2 seasons seem to have validated that perspective fairly well. Might be better at PF. This year's numbers say so but last season it was pretty much a draw.

I liked him fairly well in the draft. Maybe he would have been a better pick than Green to play with Durant. I know that is a minority opinion. Wait n see in a few years. Will never know really though.

Brian
Brian 5pts

These articles you write are so interesting Royce, i love looking back at these comparisons years later LOL

daniel
daniel 5pts

Actually be worse if a great athlete came along with the name Best Thing. Cuz know one wants to be called the "next Best Thing".

daniel
daniel 5pts

Sure will cause confusion if some great athlete comes along some day with the name Previous (say, Joe Previous). Once he's well established then sportswriters will find themselves saying about some kid, "he's the next Previous".

daniel
daniel 5pts

Pennington :
I have always like the “Dwight Howard is Chris Paul plus a foot.”

Dwight Howard has three feet? Wow. He hides it well. Never knew he was a tripod!

(wait a minute... maybe that quote means instead that Chris Paul has only one foot - wow, he hides it well - never knew he was a unipod!)

p
p 5pts

& if you're skilled, athletic & white, does that make you rex chapman?
(i'm trying to find joe alexander & chase budinger's lane!) ..

btw - great mention of Macrophenomenal - a great book for the hoop enthusiast!

Bernard
Bernard 5pts

Anyone who is skilled, unathletic, and white is the next larry bird.

Pennington
Pennington 5pts

I wish Simmons was as sympathetic to OKC and didn't always take seattle's side

David
David 5pts

Royce :@Jax
Raging Bile Duct
What if I really WERE Bill Simmons. Wouldn’t that just blow your mind?

Given Simmons overt love of KD, it wouldn't surprise me at all that he has gone to the length of setting up his own blog just so he can talk about him everyday without it getting creepy...

Awesome site by the way, had some great reads lately.

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Dylan
You can always feel free to email me anything you do. I could work on a new section. Not a bad idea.

And that's who I've been comparing Harden to as well. I see a lot of similarities.

Dylan
Dylan 5pts

@Royce

we need a section on here for created content. That's how I get through the day at work, I try to come up with new videos/images.

on the topic of harden, I think maybe you'd normally like a little more sex with the third overall pick, but I'm hard pressed to think of a better fit for OKC.

And not to fall into the aforementioned trap, but compare Brandon Roy's sophomore year with james harden's...

Royce
Royce 5pts

Dylan :
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/madhops_42/webelieve.jpg
we believe in james harden

I love it!

Pennington
Pennington 5pts

I have always like the "Dwight Howard is Chris Paul plus a foot."

Dylan
Dylan 5pts

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/madhops_42/webelieve.jpg

we believe in james harden

Keith
Keith 5pts

You know, I have less of a problem with comparisons when it's a guy who already has a career of good length. I hate hearing comparisons to Roy, Paul, Williams, Aldridge, or Rondo. We don't even know who those guys are, so how can we be comparing rookies to them? Really, if any of those guys had a career ending injury we would barely remember them in a decade.

I think 10 years in the league should be the minimum before someone can be compared to them. If you say, "He's the next Chauncey Billups," I know that you think he's a great floor leader who plays strong defense and has a reliable outside shot. If you say, "He's the next Brandon Roy," all I know is that you like him and think he could be good one day.

p
p 5pts

& would go dunk on your big man ... in a heartbeat ...
surely didnt have the floor generalship of a CP3 ... very nice nonetheless ..

oh yeah, my people used to compare KD to shard & i hated it (pre-rookie year) ... i was like KD is light years beyond where lewis was as a yoot ... he just never had the total floor game or skill set that durant has ... i convinced them to come around on durant, but rashard has shown me a lot recently ...

Jordan
Jordan 5pts

To be fair to KJ, he did average 20 plus and 10 plus for nearly 6 seasons, and is a career 49 percent shooter. He didn't get the 3 steals, but was always around 1.5-2. Sounds like a pretty good comparison to me.

p
p 5pts

Adam Morrison was seen as a shorter Dirk Nowitzki or even some called him the next Larry Bird. Really. They did. I think a taller Dirk Diggler or the next Larry David would have been closer than those two comparisons.

^^ great ... & i was enamored with AM @ gonzaga (what happened to him!?) ...

& KJ was a VERY nice player

RMJ=H
RMJ=H 5pts

I think this also happens a substantial amount with people from other countries: Ricky Rubio is the Spanish Magic Johnson.

Last night, on the Liveblog I was following (BDL), someone referred to Mickeal Peitrus as the French Harold Minor. That was simultaneously inane and brilliant.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Royce
Don't forget Kyle Weaver, who was projected, best case scenario, as the next...

Thabo Sefolosha!

That one always made me smile.

Royce
Royce 5pts

Jax Raging Bile Duct :Well if the writing gig doesn’t work out, there’s always local radio.

Zing. A ling.

Royce
Royce 5pts

Vega :Comparisons that don’t put undue pressure on the kid. I can see one now:
James Harden is a nice mixture of Keith Bogans and Ime Udoka with a little Eddie Gill thrown in as well.

HAHA!!! I love it.

Vega
Vega 5pts

Comparisons that don't put undue pressure on the kid. I can see one now:

James Harden is a nice mixture of Keith Bogans and Ime Udoka with a little Eddie Gill thrown in as well.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Well if the writing gig doesn't work out, there's always local radio.

Royce
Royce 5pts

Jax Raging Bile Duct :Royce Young is the next Bill Simmons, without the Boston love affair.

And when I fail miserably, I'll be more like the next John Rohde. How depressing.

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Kev
I remember people went as far as to call Harold Miner the next Jordan. Harold Miner!

Kev
Kev 5pts

There were five zillion "the next JOrdan" . . .

the way I see it, when you hear this, you're not really flattering the rookie, you're giving a BIG compliment to whom you're comparing the rookie . . .

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
What if I really WERE Bill Simmons. Wouldn't that just blow your mind?

Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts

Chris Paul and John Stockton are a great comparison. I made it myself back in my HornetsCentral days.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Royce Young is the next Bill Simmons, without the Boston love affair.

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