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Thursday Bolts – 6.11.09

by Royce Young on June 11, 2009 at 8:15 am 31 Comments

It’s a slow news day in Thundertown. But the good news: We’re just 14 days away from the draft. That’s two weeks. thunderbolt238Remember when we were waiting for the lottery, about to go nuts with anticipation? Then we thought we’d get some clarity once the lottery was over? Well, all we know now is that every player in the draft appears to be an option for Sam Presti, except for the one we all really, really wanted. And even still, Presti does have that magic wand he can wave to maybe pull it off.

Season ticket renewals remain strong for the Thunder: “About five out of every six season ticket-holders are expected to renew their seats for the Oklahoma City Thunder’s second season. Senior vice president of ticket sales and service Brian Byrnes said Wednesday the team projects a renewal rate of about 83 or 84 percent.”

 Mike Baldwin has evidently asked a few scouts, and they say OKC should take Thabeet. I’m curious as to if these might be scouts from the Nuggets, Blazers and Timberwolves: “He changes games,” said one Eastern Conference scout. “If he doesn’t give you anything on the offensive end he can change the game defensively. There’s not a lot of guys in this draft that can come in with their presence alone who can alter the game. “I’m not saying he’s as good as Blake Griffin but I think he can alter a game defensively more than Blake Griffin. That’s why (Thabeet) is unique, especially in this draft that has so many point guards.” Another scout had a similar comment. “It’s not like he’s a stiff offensively,” the scout said. “He has a couple of signature moves. That’s something he can develop. If he does develop a little offensively, and picks up his intensity a little bit, he could become an All-Star.”

A litte update on the major mock draft sites: Chad Ford has OKC taking Rubio, Draft Express has Memphis taking James Harden at two (which makes no gosh darn sense, unless they plan to trade him) and OKC taking Thabeet, NBADraft.net has Harden coming to OKC and Dime has the Thunder taking Harden.

On the front of ESPN’s NBA page, they have a video highlighting Blake Griffin, including footage of him watching the lottery. Really great stuff. He’s so nervous and at one point the guy next to him (agent?) says, “You know what you’re mom’s thinking, right?” and Blake says, “Oklahoma City!!” A great watch.

Man, it seems like both parties, the Knicks and Stephen Curry, are dead set on him being in New York: “Even if he is still available at No. 8, Curry said he realized the Knicks might choose somebody else. He said it did not matter to him where he was picked, as long as he landed with a good franchise that fit his style of play, and he prefers D’Antoni’s … There has been a lot of discussion about where Curry will be drafted. Although he said he was not constantly surfing the Internet or watching television for the latest updates, he has not insulated himself from the talk, thanks to his friends’ text messages. “I find it entertaining,” Curry said. “There’s so much talk going on and nothing’s happened yet.” Boy you said it Steph. We’re all crazy. Just know that. Crazy.

Curry says he’s a point guard: “I’m a point guard who has the ability to move over. If I need to run the floor and somebody else gets the ball and brings it down the court, I guess you can call that a combo,” (Stephen) Curry said. “But with my experiences last year at Davidson playing the point full time, (it) really improved my skills in that department and managing the game and the team throughout the season. That helped me improve myself as a player.” But notice the little, “but I have the ability to move over.” That’s smart if you want to get picked third.

Ian Thompson of SI with his revised mock: “OKC – James Harden – Not unlike Jeff Green, Harden fits this developing roster as an all-around player who will complement Kevin Durant. They will be glad to have him whether he develops into a starter or a sixth man.”

Dime looks at Patty Mills. For the record, I love Patty Mills: ”Here’s what I don’t get: While you can’t make it five minutes into a Ricky Rubio argument without somebody supporting his case with the concept that he “held his own” against grown men overseas and against Team USA in the Olympics, Patrick Mills gets zero credit for not just holding his own, but putting in serious work against the Redeem Team and other international juggernauts.”

Nick Collison, making me chuckle via his Twitter: “Saw sign on I-5 for Phone # to snitch on carpool lane violators is 206764HERO…hero??…maybe a hero to all the hall moderators out there.”

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Wilson
Wilson 5pts

Can someone tell me how we trade for Trevor Arizza? Dude is a beast and a great defender!!!

Dylan
Dylan 5pts

@daniel

Hah. that was me. I'll see what I can come up with.

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

@Vince
I just can't see us paying mega-bucks for a 2010 free agent without either straying into the luxury tax (not going to happen) or being unable to re-sign one of our core young players. Plus, LOTS of teams have been positioning to be cap friendly for 2010. This year we are likely just bidding against Detroit and Memphis. As for Gortat, I can't see him ever playing in the all-star game, but I do see him as a significant improvement over Collison or Swift in the center spot, and a significantly better rebounder/defender than Krstic.

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

@Joe
The idea was to over-pay for his first year, so we can under-pay for the remainder of his contract.

Joe
Joe 5pts

I don't think I would pay David Lee 10 or 12 million.

Vince
Vince 5pts

I like Birdman, but let's be honest -- if he looked like Nick Collison his name wouldn't be mentioned on this forum. He's basically Collison with crazy hair and a couple of blocks a game. Plus, he's going to be expensive, he's 30, and coming off a career year. And when you're building a young team that already has pretty good chemistry, I think it's too big a roll of a dice for 20 minutes a game.

As far as getting Lee and Gortat, I like that team too (sounds fun, for sure), but you're pretty much locked into that team for the next 4 years. Given how anticipated the 2010 FA class is, I think we do better with that cap space next year or at the 2010 deadline -- when we could possibly get an All-Star -- as opposed to two players, one of whom (Gortat) really isn't proven nor an obvious upgrade over what we already have.

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

@KingGondo
I think Birdman would be great too, but there is an added level of difficulty in getting him to move out of the city where he got sober to play in the city where his wheels came off the first time.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

You know though, if you're Blake, and the clips don't win, no one would be blaming you or calling you a bust. Basketball fans already know that any Dunleavy team won't win.

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

@KingGondo
I honestly think both Lee and Gortat are very "gettable". Knicks are reportedly looking for sign and trade for Lee. We have plenty of expiring contracts- Watson,Atkins,Wilkins- that could fill the bill (they should like Watson for D'antoni's system) and plenty of cap space in a buyers market. I'd like to see us heavily front load an offer for Lee (10 mill? 12 mill?) so we could be paying him a more reasonable 6 mill or so per when it is time for getting KD,Jeff and Russell re-signed. As for Gortat, if 6 mill a year for 3 or 4 years doesn't do the trick, let him go elsewhere. Nick is a very valuable player, but 6 mill is too much to pay if we have Green, Lee, White, Gortat and Krstic all vying for minutes. I'm hoping Presti can make a straigh-up trade for a future first rounder- like he did two years ago with PHX. I had Krstic coming off the bench to add offensive punch to our second unit. With KD, Westbrook and Harden I think we have less need for mid-range jumpers from our center and more emphasis on rebounding and defense.

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Kyle
That's very true. I bet he'd rather have the Clippers over the Grizzlies though. At least he's in LA.

Kyle
Kyle 5pts

KingGondo :You know he really wanted to land in OKC when the other options were Memphis and the Clips. Alas.

Nic and Royce: This is what you should have said haha. I think Blake is intrigued to get out like most young kids, but when he saw his other options were the Grizzlies or the Clippers? You know he was begging for OKC inside haha.

Now if the Knicks or someone made it, I would understand his excitement if he went there.

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@Steve H

I don't know if we can get both Lee and Gortat. It's possible, but I prefer Andersen to Lee in spite of Lee's better scoring numbers. We need interior defense, which Birdman provides in spades. He's an energy defensive guy, someone who can come off the bench and put pressure on the other team's offense.

In your hypothetical lineup, a couple things:

I still think Krstic would be a starter over Gortat, at least next year. Playing Gortat and Krstic side by side would create offensive and defensive problems for other teams as well.

One more question--where's Collison?

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

Assuming Presti can't pull off a blockbuster that gets us Griffin, here is the team I would like to see next year.
Starting five:
Westbrook,Harden,Durant,D.Lee and Gortat
Second unit:
Livingston,Sefalosha,Green,White and Krstic
I would also like to see Brooks run a frenzied,up tempo, full court pressure line-up of Westbrook,Sefalosha,Durant,Green and Lee for about five minutes each half to get Uncle Jeff and Thabo some extra minutes, disrupt our opponent's rhythm, and give us in-game experience running a trapping defense to add to Brook's tool box. Damn that looks like a talented,deep and versatile young line-up.

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

You know he really wanted to land in OKC when the other options were Memphis and the Clips. Alas.

GAP
GAP 5pts

Not only did Blake seem to perk up a lil bit, but he also said that his mom is probally thinking "Oklahoma City"!

daniel
daniel 5pts

btw, KD needs a new background for his twitter page. so whoever did that awesome James Harden photoshop thingy the other day... this is your big chance!

daniel
daniel 5pts

well, if it's really slow in Thunderville, then no one can blame me for posting an ancient (as in 2 yrs ago) pic of Jeff at the Final Four:

www.flickr.com/photos/32064497@N00/434306001

A great memory for him, I'm sure!

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Nix
I thought the same thing. You could tell when OKC made it to the top three he was really perked up.

DSMok1
DSMok1 5pts

Re: Hollinger's franchise ratings:

The totals for the teams were running well into the thousands (Lakers over 5000 pts), so the "Intangibles" could not really change the results. At most hop a couple of positions one way or the other... The Thunder were around 2000 pts. I think Hollinger just wanted a little subjectivity in there to stir discussion/placate the anti-numbers crowd.

Nix
Nix 5pts

Blake's reaction to the Thunder getting the #3 really makes me think he wanted to play here more then anywhere else.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

It's a decent talking point, but I'm not too high on Hollinger. For example, he docs the Knicks 100 points for "Intangibles: -100. Riley-era teams set league back years". Okay... fine I suppose. That's his opinion, and the points are his judgement call. He then gives the Lakers 150 points "Intangibles: +150. Endless stream of superstars -- on the court and in the seats.", so they get credit for Jack. Of course, their superstars get points twice, since they earned the real points with wins and championships, and then again for intangibles. The Celts get 50 points for being the "Deepest tradition in the league." Again, that's his opinion.

I can see awarding points for wins and championships and MVP's. But then awarding points based on opinions just invalidates it all. You might as well have just ranked the teams and dismissed the misleading pseudo-quantitative analysis altogether.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@KingGondo
He basically talked about how the team always had players but perpetually underachieved in the playoffs. It got it's ranking based on having good, likable players in the past. There was only a quick blurb about the move, noting also that the team had been very bad for most of the decade beforehand.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Mostly, the points he gives us are due to the Sonic's regular season wins year after year. The one championship, 3 conference titles, and years of being a top tier team are our strong points. The relocation and lack of success since Karl's departure hurt us the most. The last decade being the worst in franchise history.

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

Anybody see Hollinger's "Franchise Ratings" story on the front page of ESPN? The Thunder or Clippers will be last, mark my words. So you get 30 points for winning a championship, but a 100 point penalty for relocating? Ouch.

HOLY CRAP #12? That's pretty surprising. Anyone who has Insider want to break down what he said?

daniel
daniel 5pts

Does the NBA wait till after draft day before they start posting details about the Summer Leagues? There's not much info about them at the moment. Anybody know?

Royce
Royce 5pts

@J.G.
Very true.

To me, if they're are looking for a shooting guard, keep Mayo there and take Rubio. But again, Chris Wallace.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Royce
Mayo was originally projected out of high school as a big point guard (per Scouts Inc and ESPN), a scoring point guard for sure who played SG primarily in high school, but a point guard nonetheless. Scouts Inc even compared him to Chauncey Billups PG skill set despite being "more of a 2 right now" because he "possessed good PG instincts."

Now I don't see that at all and totally agree that Mayo is a straight SG, but then again, I've never agreed with the Grizzlies front office decisions so this wouldn't really shock me all that much.

Royce
Royce 5pts

@J.G.
That's what I read to, but Mayo to me is a straight shooting guard all the way. He's not even like a Russell Westbrook that was always in between and could fit in either spot. May has ALWAYS been a two and always been a scorer.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

Memphis takes Harden because there's word that they think Mayo is better suited to be their point guard of the future, so they take Harden to be their complimentary SG.

Makes sense...even though I'd hate the idea.

Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts

I agree on Patrick Mills. He was giving Chris Paul fits with his speed, and when Chris Paul can't keep up with you, that's an extra gear.

The difference between Rubio and Mills is that Mills hasn't shown as much floor vision or creativity. Plus, Rubio has the size teams want from their point guard. So with Rubio, the discussion more quickly shifts to "can he play right away."

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