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Thursday Bolts – 7.2.09

by Royce Young on July 2, 2009 at 7:49 am 68 Comments

One year ago today, a professional team started to make its way to Oklahoma City. It wasn’t pretty and we didn’t make thunderbolt231any friends, but through a lot of hard work and tremendous dedication, Clay Bennett and his group gave us what we’re sitting here talking about today. And I just want to say thanks to all those involved. Without this team, I can safely say my life would be quite a bit different. Happy anniversary Oklahoma City.

Berry Tramel on the anniversary: “Bennett spent Father’s Day 2008 in a Seattle high-rise, prepping for the federal trial in which the city had sued the Sonics, trying to force the franchise to play out its lease at KeyArena. He was Public Enemy No. 1 in a major U.S. market, and just because he wasn’t the first sports owner to feel such wrath – Art Modell, Walter O’Malley, Bob Irsay – didn’t make the notoriety any easier. Bennett traveled to Seattle that weekend with full-time, armed security. He stayed in a secret location, a condo outside the city, with guards in the hallway and guards in the lobby. The rest of the Sonics party from OKC stayed at a hotel under aliases.”

ESPN’s Ultimate Standings are out and the Thunder ranked 57th, one spot in front of the Red Sox: “Looks like the move from the Emerald City was a fan-friendly one. Clay Bennett may have been the worst owner in last year’s Standings, but Oklahoma City fans have given their new franchise a 59-spot overall bump and an increase in nearly every category. The fans are excited by a future that includes young talent (Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, Russell Westbrook) and community initiatives such as the Rolling Thunder Book Bus and fitness clinics run by the players themselves. And with tickets, soda, beer and parking going for less than the league average (though the price of a hat is tied for most expensive, at $22), fans are more than okay with OKC, declaring the Thunder the eighth-most affordable franchise in sports and the cheapest of any NBA team. The only negative is their home, the Ford Center, which lacks luxury amenities, well-lit concourses and leg room. But even that negative has a positive upside: The Thunder will sink $100 million into the facility over the next two years, adding restaurants, bars, premium seating and a new scoreboard. As Oklahoma City proves, there really is no place like (a new) home.” (Click here to see the scoring system)

Gortat has said he wants a mid-level deal: “Marcin Gortat, who has never made huge money and wasn’t part of a college recruiting process, seemed touched when Morey showed him how hundreds of messages were pouring in. By mid-afternoon Wednesday, Gortat had received more than 2,000 messages telling him how he’d love being a Rocket. There’s also a tough-love side to this story. Gortat’s agent mentioned wanting a full mid-level exception. That amounts to around $30 million over five years. The Rockets aren’t offering nearly that much and apparently aren’t prepared to go higher. They’ve assigned a value to Gortat, and if, say, the Mavericks are offering more, the Rockets are prepared to lose him.”

Here’s one vote for Paul Millsap: “Paul Millsap would immediately add a tough rebounding presence and the blue-collar attitude that the young Thunder need. Adding Millsap makes the playoffs a possibility, especially considering Yao Ming’s injury in Houston puts the Rockets 2010 playoff hopes in major jeopardy opening up a spot for another Western Conference team. Millsap gives any team he’s on many second (and often third) chance opportunities on the offensive end. If Boozer opts out of Utah, then expect the Jazz to match any offer made on Millsap.”

And interesting column from the Seattle Times Jerry Brewer: “Easiest assignment ever: Go to the town that abducted the Sonics and write some impressions. Or, in other words, sip some Hater-ade and let ‘er rip. But a crazy thing happened on this disdainful mission. I learned to tolerate Oklahoma City. Then I learned to kinda, sorta like the place. And then, shocker of all shockers, I learned to accept it as an NBA city and stop connecting the Thunder with the Sonics.”

HoopsDaily on OKC’s current state: “This is a team on the verge of a quick rise in the win column. After their dreadful 1-16 start, which got coach P.J. Carlesimo fired just 13 games into the season, the Thunder finished strong under Scott Brooks, going 10-14 in their last 24 games. That isn’t exactly setting the world on fire, but it’s a start. Oklahoma City must keep its patience and use their cap space wisely this summer and the next. If they do, the playoffs are very likely in the near future.”

A nice feature on B.J. Mullens: “B.J. Mullens has seen the worst and made the best of it. While he was growing up, his family bounced around to a dozen different homes with stops at a homeless shelter in between. He got shuttled around from one school to the next. His brother got in trouble for dealing drugs. Then basketball helped change everything. As he kept growing, opportunities started opening up for Mullens. He was accepted to a prep school on scholarship and then committed to Ohio State when he was in the ninth grade and already 6 feet 8. And now, he’s a first-round draft pick of the Oklahoma City Thunder.”

Dime on Robert Swift’s deal with the Celtics: “Now, this does NOT mean Swift has signed a free-agent deal with Boston. It just means the unrestricted FA has a spot to showcase himself in case no one signs him beforehand.”

Sports Illustrated released this year’s Fortunate 50 and let me tell you, that list blows me away. Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis check in 17 and 12 spots in front of Albert Pujols. If that doesn’t show you how messed up salaries and money are in sports then you don’t get it. It’s amazing how franchises shell out money to these guys like they’re throwing them Skittles. Oh you want six-years, $75 million? You got it! It appears Sam Presti is on top of things and isn’t running that sort of franchise. And I’m grateful for it. Free agency has completely changed sports, but when you see things like this, it kind of makes you think.

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J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Clark Matthews
Wow, you're a brave man.

Was that for a column you were working on or just cause? If it was a column, did you already publish it on the site?

Joe
Joe 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
Nice jax.

Derrick
Derrick 5pts

Love the bolts. You guys are great

Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts

Seattle seems to be over the Sonics. I just spent four days there, wearing a Thunder ball cap constantly. I braced for, at minimum, some dirty looks, and likely, some nasty comments. Instead, the only time I got a comment from a Seattle native was when I wore a Joe Mauer (of the Minnesota Twins) jersey. Then, I was told by multiple people that I wasn't welcome.

I never noticed so much as a sour look toward the hat.

morgan
morgan 5pts

that writer caught all kinds of hell. i think he may need that condo outside of town with the security in the hall after that article.

nick
nick 5pts

@KingGondo
seriously, the posting on daily thunder has restored my faith in humanity. haha, that's probably pushing it, but this site really is a godsend. other than my brother (who comes close but can't quite match my level of sports obsession), i am starved for intelligent sports debate. i enjoy talking about sports more than just about anything (save playing them), and this site has given me a vehicle to do that. i want to sincerely thank royce, joe, and all the posters here for a truly awesome site

Ryan
Ryan 5pts

This is a different Ryan than previous ranter. I might have to go by a different name now. Anyways I think Gortat is perfect for this team. He is a big athletic defensive center that is also young enough to stick around with the core for years to come. Now coming to Milsapp I feel he is not what this franchise needs. It just creates a logjam again at the PF position and puts doubt in Jeff about the feelings the front office has about his ability. He has only been playing the position for a year. Give Jeff a chance to prove he is capable of playing it.

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
Absolutely.

The unfortunate thing, however, is the fact that "That Guy" is able to get his opinion out much more easily nowadays. Start a blog. Comment on ESPN stories. If you're lucky, someone will give you a radio show and call you the "Dominant Duo."

When you meet "That Guy," the best thing to do is just laugh and move on.

I must say, however--posting on Daily Thunder has given me faith that there are plenty of passionate and intelligent sports fans out there.

Vega
Vega 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
There is epic truth in what you have written.

Royce
Royce 5pts

AD :
Royce… You’re a punk… (are we still calling each other names?)

Just me.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

I don't really want to come across as being better than anyone, but the hardest part about being a sports fan, at least to me, is realizing that the vocal majority of that demographic is "that guy". I realize that I’m not one of them, but I also realize that because we both cheer for sports teams, we’re together in the same boat. You know “that guy”. He's the guy who posts all the drivel on the ESPN conversations. He's the guy that buys into all the emotionally charged illogical fallacies used to sell opinions in various forms of media. He's the guy that can't see past the tightly formed narrative. He's the sports fan who cares enough to make himself seen or heard, by posting foolishness on ESPN, CBS, SI, etc., or calling into radio shows nationally and locally to offer his ridiculous opinion.

He's the guy that buys into this kind of thing...
A. The Timberwolves suck at basketball
B. The Timberwolves are in Minnesota
C. Therefore, Minnesota must suck.

His opinion is further validated because Minnesota is cold, which also means Minnesota sucks, obviously. So there! That's confirmation of his opinion. Minnesota sucks.

He's also a fan of the Lakers. Why? Well they're the team that he sees the most on TV. Since only stupid people cheer for teams that don't win, his choice is easy. The Lakers win, and they're on his TV. Done. Whew! That major life decision is now out of the way, and we can move on to important things now, like continuing life's logical progression.

A. The Lakers are better than the Timberwolves.
B. The Lakers are his team, the Timberwolves are your team.
C. Therefore, he is better than you.

Not only is he better than you, he gets to make disjoint, illogical and grandiose associations about you and where you live and what you think and what you must be like; you and all your neighbors and generally, everyone else in your entire city, state or region of the world.

He's also the guy that uses "always", "never", "worst of all time", "greatest of all time", and any variation of "hands down - period - end of story" in every statement he makes. And if you don't agree with him, you're an idiot or a hater.

These sports fans are all over the place. Oklahoma and Seattle has their share of these fans, just like every other place in the world. The Sonics-to-Thunder transition gives these two separate-but-identical groups of people all the fuel they need to keep their fire hot. It's not about basketball now. Hell no! It's about honor, and dignity, and identity! Hello! It's about who is better than who; and it doesn't stop there, it's about how much better too. It's about using whatever means or measure, real or imagined, as ammunition to degrade, berate, or otherwise "win" this "challenge". Something as impacting on the history of humanity as the Sonics-to-Thunder transition is exactly what they needed all along. It’s the “reason” they get to hate, and to curse, and to despise someone else.

I'm not saying that it's just sports fans who do this. But seriously, sports fans have more than their fare share of "that guy". It's really no wonder; you would expect something intended for entertainment to be taken so seriously by "that guy".

I’ve posted on this site a ton of times, but usually skip this whole Seattle issue. I learned long ago that there is no good that comes from talking to “that guy”.

Rhett
Rhett 5pts

@ Royce: Thanks for having the best Thunder site. Check the Bolts daily and I love the insight and feedback by the people that post on here. It makes it much easier to keep up the Thunder.

Rhett
Rhett 5pts

Oh and Seattle will eventually get another team. Just gonna take a little time.

Rhett
Rhett 5pts

I like all of the Presti moves in the last year. Westbrook taken too high? Maybe, but what a surprise he was this year. Harden? I'm personally glad we're not having to deal with the Rubio soap-opera. Vaden/Mullens/Sefaloshia/Weaver/Krstic all good pickups as far as I'm concerned.

Rhett
Rhett 5pts

There's been so many "stolen" franchises in the history of sports. Boston Redskins, Baltimore Colts, Cleveland Rams, Chicago/St. Louis Cardinals, LA Chargers, Dallas Texans (Chiefs), Baltimore Colts, LA Rams to name a few in the NFL that were controversially moved by their owners. Brooklyn Dodgers are the first to come to mind in MLB. Charlotte Hornets, Minneapolis Lakers, Vancouver Grizzlies, San Diego Clippers in NBA.
Nearly every NHL team that relocated from Canada/northern states to southern states, i.e. Minnesota North Stars/Dallas Stars.

The only people that look like idiots are the Seattle fans that act like their the only ones this has ever happened to.

Now to a more relevant subject. Sam Presti:

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

As a Seattle native, no one feels the pain of losing the Sonics more than I do. I love them so much that I can't stop following them even though they wear unfamiliar unis and play in a state I've only flown over. Blaming the people of OKC is neither here nor there. It does grate me that Clay Bennett is treated as something of a hero over there for pillaging my city, but I guess that's to be expected. I blame the league and owners for being myopic protectionists that routinely hold cities ransom I blame Howard Schultz for selling to an obvious carpetbagger; I blame Bennett for being that carpetbagger (and, as much as I can't quit rooting for this team, I will never buy a single piece of Thunder merch or give a dime to Bennett); I blame Wally Walker for Jim McIlvaine and the start of the Sonics decade long march in mediocrity. Seriously, for all you guys blaming Seattle fans for indifference, eff' you. Do you have any idea what 10 years of lottery picks will do to a fanbase? The fans were still in the woodwork, they just needed something to root for. In the 2005 playoffs, KeyArena suddenly became the loudest arena in the league again. Funny what winning does, huh?

Dustin
Dustin 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

Per Rotoworld

"Magic GM Otis Smith said on Wednesday that Orlando is prepared to pay a stiff luxury tax to keep restricted free agent Marcin Gortat.
"The owner said we can go into tax so that changes things," Smith said. "At this point, we're matching everything that comes back to us on him." The Rockets are doing everything they can to attract Gortat, and the Thunder, Pacers, Knicks and Pacers are also interested. Jul. 2 - 1:46 am et
Source: Florida Today "

Alex
Alex 5pts

From HoopsWorld:

The Orlando Magic have said it before and they are saying it again – they will likely match a deal for Marcin Gortat, unless it's truly exorbitant or Gortat makes it clear he doesn't want to come back.

"The owner said we can go into tax so that changes things. Once you get clearance to (go beyond the luxury tax threshold), (Gortat) has to go get a deal and let us see what we're comfortable doing," General Manager Otis Smith told John Denton of Florida Today (and here on HOOPSWORLD!). "At this point, we're matching everything that comes back to us on him.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Chas
You can expect deals to be agreed upon in the next few days, i.e. Detroit's deals with Gordon and Villanueva and the Grizzlies head scratcher with Randolph.

AD
AD 5pts

Royce... You're a punk... (are we still calling each other names?)

Blake
Blake 5pts

i hope that seattle does get a team. that would be one hell of a rivalry. i bet by the time they do get a team that we are right in the middle of our championship run.

Chas
Chas 5pts

@Royce

Oh right. I knew that. I guess I'm just anxious and already tired (I know, second day, I'm crazy is all) of waiting to see if we can get something done in principle and wonder if any experienced people know how fast FAs usually take. The Detroit signings sounded fast and was just wondering if that was the norm. Should expect the Krispy Hammer to be agreed upon today tomorrow or next month?

Kev
Kev 5pts

@Alex

well said . . .

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Chas
Nothing can become official until July 8th.

Chas
Chas 5pts

You must feel happy to make your Mrs. proud of your work!

How fast do we think these major FA signings will get locked down?

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Royce
Can't we all just get along? :)

Mrs. Daily Thunder
Mrs. Daily Thunder 5pts

Great Bolts today!

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Alex
Absolutely. We don't do that here. (For the most part) we're here to talk basketball.

Alex
Alex 5pts

If Ryan was hoping for all of us to lob insults back at him, he came to the wrong place...People here are just too nice...He should go to the Newsok.com comments section if he wants people who will insult him back.

Royce
Royce 5pts

We've rehashed and rehashed. No name-calling and no insults. It's been over for a long time. Move on.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@ryan
I in no way take pleasure from how the Thunder arrived in OKC. And, as far as I can tell, most intelligent Seattle fans understand that the majority of OKC residents wish that the Thunder would have come here under different circumstances.

But to say that the city of Seattle did everything to keep the team is simply inaccurate. Especially when the recent legislation passed that allowed Bennett and Co. to get out of paying the city that huge buyout by refusing to meet the terms of the agreement, aka, not taking the necessary steps to secure another NBA franchise in Seattle. If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to send you some reading material on the topic regarding what the city did not and still refuses to do in legislation to make an NBA team in Seattle a reality. Also, most Sonics fans I know direct most of their anger to the individual who sold the team to Bennett and Co., after all, what was he thinking?

I understand your frustration and anger at Bennett and Co., and to a degree the bitterness towards certain OKC fans who make questionable comments, but to make pot-shots only encourages said individuals to do so and just makes the Seattle fans look petty and vindictive, which I don't think the majority of them are.

Brett
Brett 5pts

@ryan

I'm pretty sure most people have moved on from this. It's only Bill Simmons and people from Seattle. Leave it at that.

The NBA is a business. No city is guaranteed anything here. Your owner sold it to someone who wasn't from Seattle. Then they moved. Why are you that surprised? If you don't want a team to leave, try the Packer approach. Otherwise, the owner is everything.

We don't need to be discussing this anymore. If people in Seattle want to be bitter, let them. Let's focus on OUR team and enjoying them.

nick
nick 5pts

@ryan
look man, i feel like i'm reasonably detatched from this as i'm not an oklahoman or anything like that, just a fan of the team. it absolutely sucks that your city lost its franchise, it really does. i personally was never particularly happy with how all that went down. but don't take it out on the people from oklahoma who are just happy to have a team. you can be angry at stern or bennet if you want, but the fans didn't do anything to deserve your anger except support the hell out of the hornets when they were there and want their own nba franchise. personally i would totally understand you being furious with stern, but back off the thunder fans. calling them idiots and telling them to learn to read just makes you look like a jerk. and i assure you, as an absolute diehard nba fan, that my first thought about the thunder has nothing to do with seattle. good luck getting a new team.

ryan
ryan 5pts

i knew some of you idiot thunder fans would start spouting off about our sonics, but...

if you took the time to read...scratch that. if you LEARNED how to read, you would know that the city of Seattle spend a butt load of cash to upgrade the Seattle Center Coliseum to what is now Key Arena. Not one dime of private money, the city paid for everything. the city went to then-owner Ackerley and Stern and made sure the remodel was done to the specific requests of the Sonics and the NBA. when it opened, Stern said it was arguably one of the finest arenas in the league.

when was this? 1995. SAFECO Field didn't open for the M's until 1999. Qwest Field for the Seahawks in 2002.

so don't you dare to think we didn't do everything to make the NBA happy. but since we were one of the first cities to remodel an old arena or build a new one, everything after us was made that much bigger. we already spent millions and millions of public dollars for an arena for the sonics. and it would have worked just fine with a reworking of the lease, that us until Bennett and the OKC Plunder came along.

i'm happy you're happy with your stolen team. just know what when any nba fan thinks of the thunder, their first thought will always be "oh yeah, you mean the city that stole the sonics?"

Chas
Chas 5pts

@MartzMimic LOL! Doesn't sound very dangerous but it does sound like a diseased weapon wants to infect and kill you slowly.

In that video, Z doesn't even show a hint of remorse for eating that ball up like a NY hot dog.

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

That really has to be the single sorriest NBA play I've ever seen. There were like 6 seconds left on the shot clock when he jacked that up.

GAP
GAP 5pts

the above comment was from me

MartzMimic
MartzMimic 5pts

@KingGondo
Krispy Hammer

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

If we get him, we'll need to come up with a name for our 2-headed beast in the paint:

Marnad Gorstic?
Necin Krstat?

I prefer #1, personally. Sounds scary.

Vega
Vega 5pts

Also, the Magic have far more pressing needs in free agency than re-signing the PH. They need to find a replacement for Turk and a backup point guard. Backup center is easy. I'm sure that a veteran like Rasho Nesterovic would sign for cheap so that he could have a good shot sat winning it all before he retires.

Vega
Vega 5pts

I think that Gortat would be foolish not to sign with OKC. Presti can give him more money than he could get elsewhere, and he would probably be the starting center here, whereas in Houston, he would probably start, but not get as much money, and in Dallas, he would get more money, but he wouldn't start.

Rob
Rob 5pts

Dear Seattle,
I understand this must be tough. We have been together for a long time, but I feel you are just holding me back. I found someone new. They treat me right, buy me shiny, new scoreboards. When we were together, I just don't think you supported me, rarely a sell out. They have brains, style and a flashy new polish hammer(hopefully). Please don't be bitter, we had fun, but its time for me to move on and away and hopefully settle down with my new mate, we have been talking about getting a ring. Make sure the "Storm" gets plenty of food and water. I'll miss you,
Thunder

MartzMimic
MartzMimic 5pts

Here was an Orlando Sentinel article from a couple days ago (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/orl-sportsmagic-turkoglu-gortat-30063009jun30,0,2502874.story:

The Magic aren't expected to be able to match offers for Gortat, a restricted free agent who made $770,000 last season as Dwight Howard's backup. Smith indicated they would be out of the running if offers "were north of 5 [$5 million per season.]"

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@nick
If anyone wants a good laugh at Zach's expense, go watch this video... Grizz fans should only watch if they want to have a terrible day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4xH85iDDIs

nick
nick 5pts

@KingGondo
yeah, but at least lewis was going to play for them. i'll agree though, otis smith is entirely capable of being that stupid. it wouldn't make any sense for them to pay a backup that much, so they probably will.
btw, i just went to the memphis blog, and saw this line trying to justify the randolph trade: "Memphis needs a player that is a veteran who can show the team how to win at the NBA level. Randolph is a veteran." hahahahahahahahahaha, wow. show the team how to win on the nba level? he forget a few words- show the team how to win 20 games on the nba level. much better.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@MartzMimic
Yep, precisely why I think it's OKC or settle for a lot less money and a worse fit for Gortat.

It simply comes down to Presti now.

MartzMimic
MartzMimic 5pts

I thought this line was interesting:

"Gortat’s agent mentioned wanting a full mid-level exception. That amounts to around $30 million over five years. The Rockets aren’t offering nearly that much..."

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@nick
Remember, this is the team that signed Rashard Lewis to a $120 million deal. I wouldn't put any financially dubious move past Otis.

They've got $67 million locked up next year between only 8 players. And D12, Rashard, and Vince all get pay raises for each of the next 3 seasons (if they exercise the third-year option on Vince). Jameer is making close to $8 million. We know they're not gonna move those four players, and they're unlikely to move Pietrus. If they want to fill out their roster without going way over the cap, they'll have to sign some scrubs to fill out the bench, which butts them up against the salary cap, before they even sign Gortat.

Let's say they match our offer and sign Gortat for $30 million over five years. That means that next year, they will have $67 MILLION tied up between six players--Nelson, Howard, Carter, Lewis, Pietrus, and Gortat. The figure goes up to $73 million for next year. $76 million in 2011-12 if they exercise Carter's option. Crazy.

They might do it, but I say Presti should call their bluff. If they want to put themselves in that kind of position, let them do it. We'll go on our merry way and find interior help through the draft or by making a better deal elsewhere.

Lefty
Lefty 5pts

This is assuming Milsap is actually a better player than Green, too. I mean, their roles on their teams, even though they've been playing the same position, as been a bit different. Green was a high draft pick and a number two guy to KD. Milsap was a reserve who ended up getting playing time when Boozer got injured. We don't really know Milsap is actually a better player, he just looks more like what we envision a PF looking.

Though, if we get him and he beats out Green, then awesome. I'm all for good players, and Milsap seems like a pretty good dude as well.

Cpt. C-Note
Cpt. C-Note 5pts

I hope Seattle gets The Hornets, Clippers, or Grizz so they can just let it go. It's only fair...I guess.(what did they think would happen when we had success with our "cup-o-coffee" with the Hornets AND had an OKC Billionaire(s) buy THEIR team 2000 miles away in a different region?)

They all new that this would happen. They (Seattle/state officials) just had to posture publicly like sneaky politicians.
They just spent big-time $$$ on The Mariners and Seahawks stadiums.(no room for their beloved Sonics!)
I'm a redneck from po-dunk Oklahoma and I figured THAT out!

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