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What should we expect from the Thunder next season?

by Royce Young on July 23, 2009 at 12:00 pm 59 Comments

As I said, I’m out of pocket for the day, but J.G. has hooked us up with another lengthy, yet very insightful column about Oklahoma City, the Trailblazers and next season.

By J.G. Marking
Special to Daily Thunder

In season three of a rebuilding effort, the hardest thing for the fan is the question of how tempered their expectations should be for the upcoming year. In most year twos of a rebuilding process, the fan typically witnesses the rock-bottom point of the franchise’s complete roster and organizational overhaul (3-29 anyone?), as pieces of the old regime get phased out (farewell Wilcox, Petro and Sene).

But at some point in year two of any successful rebuilding process, typically towards the latter half of the season as young talent begins to gain invaluable playing experience and starts developing some true chemistry, there is a punctuated leap of improvement (20-30 for the last 50, remember that?). This eye-opening leap sparks an ever dangerous ember in the heart of the fan, reawakening the glorious notion of next year. After all, that’s why the NBA Draft tantalizes every fan of every team. And there’s next year, isn’t there?

But what about the Thunder’s next year? What are we to expect from a team that had such a drastic difference in play last year, from the lows of one of the worst starts in NBA history to the highs of near .500 play and knocking off playoff bound competition for one of the league’s youngest and most inexperienced teams?

The focus of the Thunder’s youth movement and player development helps most NBA analysts, reports and bloggers draw an easy comparison to another team, in fact a division rival, that hit the reboot button and pretty much completely rebuilt their franchise in a similar way as the Thunder are trying to do. And unless you’ve lived under a rock for the past year and a half, then you have had this comparison force-fed to you repeatedly, if not belligerently. That comparison is of course that the Thunder is the Trailblazers, only two years behind in the rebuilding process.

But is this comparison an accurate one?

Well after doing some digging and a good deal of research, the surprising answer is that the Trailblazers and Thunder are not a good comparison at all. Nope, good just doesn’t cut it. Eerily Similar. Almost Identical. “Are these two teams related?” Or even, “Is this a sign of the apocalypse?” would all be much more accurate in terms of trying to describe the ridiculously similar comparison of the Thunder and the Trailblazers.

If a good comparison is listing the similarities between Dr. Pepper and Vanilla Dr. Pepper, then comparing the Trailblazers and the Thunder is like comparing Dr. Pepper out of a can with Dr. Pepper out of a bottle. Yes, it’s really that close (though everyone knows it’s better out of a can, I mean, honestly).

And here’s the proof.

First, you have to look at what assets both teams stockpiled in the wake of the relative rebuilding implosions of their rosters. As it turns out, both teams shrewdly compiled a great number of draft picks while shipping out or cutting loose the better players from the old regimes.

Trailblazers: Four Top 6 picks in three years: 2005, 2006, 2007
Picks:
2005 – SG Martell Webster – 6th
2006 – PF Lamarcus Aldridge – 2nd overall pick traded from Chicago
2006 – SG Brandon Roy – 6th
2007 – C Greg Oden – 1st

Best Pick: Brandon Roy, hands down.

Wasted Pick: Martell Webster (yes, I know you were expecting Oden, but the guy just came off major knee surgery and has yet to play his second season, whereas Webster is little better than a backup in the NBA and with the sixth pick, that’s definitely more of a waste than the still-present potential upside of Oden).

Summary: The Blazers landed a multiple All-Star quality player in Brandon Roy, one really great player who may have a few All-Star games in his future in LaMarcus Aldridge, one guy who could be an impact player or could be a bust who never stays healthy in Greg Oden, and a so far career/mediocre backup player in Martell Webster with their four Top 6 picks (though Webster is still all of 22, so I refuse to write anyone off).

Thunder: Four Top 5 picks in three years: 2007, 2008, 2009
Picks:
2007 – SF Kevin Durant – 2nd
2007 –“PF” Jeff Green – 5th overall pick traded from Boston
2008 – PG Russell Westbrook – 4th
2009 – SG James Harden – 3rd

Best Pick: Hmmm, Durant is the obvious selection since he’s the Thunder’s best player and a future All-Star and potential MVP candidate if his game develops, but you expect that with the 2nd pick in most drafts (go ahead and throw out this year’s draft in that equation, please). Thus, the argument could be made for Westbrook as the 4th pick after his statistically improbable rookie season and since most individuals wrote the Westbrook pick off as a reach, if not a mistake. But I’ll stick with Durant.

Worst Pick: Uh…“Ask Again Later.” Or, when a worst pick happens, then we can pencil that one in here.

Summary: The Thunder landed one of the potentially greatest players of his generation in Kevin Durant if he can put it all together, who is a virtual lock for the All-Star game throughout his career, one really great player who could sneak into a few All-Star games himself in Russell Westbrook, an exceptionally solid and surprisingly influential all-around player in Jeff Green, and what looks to be a solid if not potentially spectacular starter in James Harden with their four Top 5 picks.

Side note – (If you compare Green’s [13.5 points, 5.7 rebounds and 43.8% FG] and Aldridge’s [15.4 points, 6.8 rebounds and 48.7% FG] career numbers, especially since Aldridge really raised his numbers in his second and third years after a 9.0 point, 5.0 rebound rookie season, the argument could be made that I may be selling Jeff Green short since he had a statistically better 10.5 point, 4.8 rebound rookie season and still has one more year to increase his numbers up to or even beyond Aldridge’s).

So since both teams did great in accumulating and successfully using their draft picks, the next thing to look at is how did that translate into wins and if the team was able to add more influential pieces to their team through trades or free agency.

And unsurprisingly at this point, there is a distinct correlation between the Blazers and the Thunder. Both teams improved their teams without sacrificing picks or significant pieces through trades and free agency. For posterity’s sake, we are only going to focus on the acquisitions and moves that involved a player who directly helped the rebuilding process or is expected to be a significant piece of the team’s future.

Trailblazers: Blew up the team after the 2003-04 season when they went 41-41 (in almost the exact same fashion that Presti did when he traded Ray Allen in 2007 after the 2006-07 season).

Season Records since the 2003-04 season:
2004-05: 27-55 (Acquired C Joel Pryzbilla)
2005-06: 21-61 (Drafted SG Martell Webster and signed PG Steve Blake to offer sheet, named Nate McMillan head coach)
2006-07: 32-50 (Drafted SG Brandon Roy and the rights for PF/C LaMarcus Aldridge)
2007-08: 41-41 (Drafted C Greg Oden, acquired the rights to SG/SF Rudy Fernandez, re-signed SF Travis Outlaw and re-acquired PG Steve Blake)
2008-09: 54-29 (Drafted PG Jerryd Bayless and SG/SF Nicholas Batum)

Summary: Pryzbilla has averaged about 5 points (4.96), 7.2 rebounds and 2.22 blocks since joining the Trailblazers, and would have had higher numbers had the Trailblazers not benched him during the “Let’s try our PF Aldridge at center” experiment during the 2006-07 season when Pryzbilla logged only 16.3 minutes a game, instead of his 24 minutes a game average in all other years. Steve Blake has averaged almost 10 points (9.75), 5.05 assists, 2.45 rebounds and shot 41.8% from the field since rejoining the Blazers in the 2007-08 season. Needless to say, steady but unspectacular point play and a defensive/rebounding anchor in the post greatly improved the Trailblazers and enabled the team’s third year jump when Aldridge and Roy were brought on board.

Thunder records since the 2006-07 season when the Sonics went 31-51 before trading Ray Allen:
2007-08: 20-62 (Drafted Kevin Durant and Jeff Green)
2008-09: 23-59 (Drafted Russell Westbrook and Serge Ibaka and the rights for D.J. White and Kyle Weaver and acquired Nenad Krstic, Shaun Livingston and Thabo Sefolosha, named Scott Brooks head coach)
2009-10: TBD (Drafted James Harden, Byron Mullens and the rights to Robert Vaden)

Summary: Nenad Krstic averaged 9.7 points, 5.5 rebounds and 1.07 blocks in 24 minutes of action for the Thunder in his first year back in the NBA since tearing his ACL with the Nets and playing overseas for a small spell, so it’s understandable for Presti and Brooks to expect an improvement in Krstic’s numbers (though I doubt his rebounds and blocks go up all that much). Krstic’s numbers may actually surprise some since statistically he was very comparable last season to the much more touted Spencer Hawes. Unlike Pryzbilla though, Krstic does not provide the shot-blocking and rebounding anchor in the post that the Thunder are still looking to fill. Thabo Sefolosha experienced a breakout half-season upon joining the Thunder midway through the year, averaging 8.5 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.1 blocks in 31.1 minutes a game and shooting 41.7%. More so, Thabo’s zeal for defense helped ignite a surprising run for the Thunder as he became the team’s defensive stopper.

Due to Shaun Livingston’s limited sample size, you really can’t come to a conclusion regarding his impact on the team (though I personally am excited about him), however it is clear that Krstic and Sefolosha were both clear upgrades at their positions and impact performers for the Thunder, making them surprisingly good acquisitions for what little the Thunder gave up or paid for them (though, clearly, at least one very big acquisition is still needed to solidify the lineup).

Per the italics, the third year was really the turning point for the Trailblazers, as they increased their win total by double digits after drafting Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge. But it would be wise to not overlook the influence that veterans Steve Blake and Joel Pryzbilla played in the rebuilding process after year three. These non-draft moves helped establish the blue-collar, work-for-everything mentality that the Trailblazers have thrived under. Those acquisitions also show just how crucial mid-season trades and free agency acquisitions are in the rebuilding process, as evidenced by the spike in wins that third year and beyond. Of course it also shows how vital a shot-blocker and rebounder are to improving your team’s numbers in the win column, but hey, I guess the Polish Hammer can still become a member of the Thunder on Dec. 15…right?

What’s also interesting, if not weird and uncanny, is that Trailblazers and the Thunder both named their “coach of the future” in year two of the rebuilding process (the start of the year for the Blazers, the end of the year for the Thunder). Thus, the Thunder has indeed followed an astoundingly, ridiculously (that’s enough of the adverbs) similar path as the Trailblazers in both the draft and through their season performance and acquisitions. So, it’s quite clear that this upcoming season should and most likely will be the tell-tale season for the Thunder’s rebuilding process in terms of franchise assessment and what to expect for the future. If you take a look at the strikingly (just one more!) comparable records of both teams in their first and second seasons of rebuilding, the Thunder’s 2009-10 season should resemble something along the lines of a 30-34 win season with a step in the right direction, making that an 11 win increase IF the Thunder are headed in the right direction as a franchise.

If the Thunder manage to exceed 34 wins then, wow, this rebuilding effort is quite ahead of schedule and once again Presti will have his pick of the finest beef and cheeses of all the land. If not….ugh. If not, then there’s still a big missing piece that the Thunder have either not acquired or are waiting/hoping to develop over the next few years and the current crop of players need to step it up.

All in all though, it appears that the Thunder is on the path to establishing the franchise as a heavy competitor in the years to come. Of course all of that could change depending upon what happens in those magical two words: next year.

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Crow
Crow 5pts

I forgot a few eventual free agent or trade big guys that might be worth considering. Dudley is one. Turiaf is another. Landry and Hayes are free agents next summer. Dorell Wright. Walton. Craig Smith. Jason Smith. Amundson.

Presti has had and still has options / choices.

Dan
Dan 5pts

Don't forget, Roy was at washington 4 years compared to Durant's 1!! If Durant had stayed in college this would be his senior year.

Crow
Crow 5pts

To be clear that is one triplet with at least 2 supposed core guys.

I'd guess it will Hardin and somebody. Probably Durant or Westbrook. At least I'd hope.

Maybe White is in it.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Blazers have 4 of the top 22 player triplets in the league on raw lineup +/- for the season (at above +300). The Thunder probably didn't have a single triplet with even 2 of their top 3 guys so far that was positive. Yet. I can say for sure none was better for +10 for the season (or 0.125 pts per game for time actually on court together on averagefor a game).

It would be an improvement if they have a triplets with 2 or 3 of their top 5 guys that is say +50 or 100 for the season next season. That is not much to ask in the way of chemistry. That one lineup be a bit more than +0.5 to +1 per game. Will they do it? Which triplet?

Keith
Keith 5pts

@J.G.
It wasn't so much a vacation for me actually, but time off to get some writing done. I was working on a novel. It's pretty interesting to find out that you've been published. If you wouldn't mind, I'd love to hear about your experience getting your work out there and picked up.

Crow
Crow 5pts

He should be affordable and willing to take a non-star role, maybe even non-starter role on another team. He has the right body and right college training on defense. Not great but decent and probably will be decent value.

Vega
Vega 5pts

@Crow
Josh Boone would be a solid acquisition.

Crow
Crow 5pts

I tell myself to ignore the draft but I peeked at Larry Sanders.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Others bigs Presti passed on Zaza, Big Baby, Powe (presumably), Amir Johnson, S Williams, Kleiza, Frye, May, David Andersen, Singleton, Haislip, Diogu, Mensah-Bonsu, etc.

Others bigs Presti could go after eventually by trade or free agency-

Ty Thomas, Hickson, Kendrick Perkins, Ryan Anderson, Jason Thompson, A Randolph, Outlaw, Marc Gasol, B Wright, Speights, Hibbert, Koufos, D Jordan, Boone, Thaddeus Young.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Keith
Forgot to ask you, how was the vacation?

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

Good espn story on Durant at mini-camp

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=4352887

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Chummy
Ah, glass bottles. But don't the glass bottles leave that syrupy after taste in your mouth though? Or is it just me?

I would definitely agree that the Thunder fit the Spurs type of model, but so do the Trailblazers. In fact, since the beginning of this decade, almost every rebuilding effort has attempted to mimic the Spurs in some way, shape or form since "Three Stars and a team of role players" has kind of always been a championship model (see, Boston Celtics 2007-08, Los Angeles Lakers, 2008-09 and pretty much what everyone has been trying to do this off-season if they feel like they're team is in the hunt: Orlando, Cleveland, Dallas, etc.)

What I find most interesting, and I hope it came across in the article, is that we really don't have a good idea on what type of team the Thunder could become at this point because of all of the versatility and various style of players on the roster. Which is why this next season is so intriguing, plus, even if they're not a mirror-image of this roster, the Trailblazers did set the bar on where you should be at in year three, so we can use the rough estimate of win-total (30-34) to gauge the overall progress of the franchise.

Nix
Nix 5pts

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=4352887

BOOOOOMMMM

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@jk
Well since it's only been two years into the process, it's definitely difficult to say "for certain" who the Thunder will become like, and I actually hadn't thought of the Baby Bulls, which might be worth looking at.

My argument is definitely NOT that acquiring Pryzbilla signaled the start of the rebuilding effort in Portland. The Trailblazers' rebuilding process started the year they decided to blow up the Jailblazers' roster, which just so happen to coincide with the year they added Pryzbilla in the rebuilding process. I thought that was pretty clearly stated in the article.

"Trailblazers: Blew up the team after the 2003-04 season when they went 41-41 (in almost the exact same fashion that Presti did when he traded Ray Allen in 2007 after the 2006-07 season)."

Quite literally, the year you start trading away your assets, stock piling draft picks and hit the "start over" button, is the year you've started the rebuilding process. The Thunder just happened to be able to get two top 5 draft picks in their year one of rebuilding when the Blazers were able to add a veteran center in theirs.

Chummy
Chummy 5pts

Dr. Pepper is best out of an old timey glass bottle. The thunder are the glass bottle. And while the thunder have some similarities i think they are closer to the spurs type of team. Three Stars and a team of role players. Loved the article though. Hopefully we see more of you on this website

jk
jk 5pts

How do we compare to the Baby Bulls of the earlier part of this decade? I do believe that Sam Presti has to watch this team very closely for marked and sustained progress because I would imagine that at this point, we compare more favorably to the Baby Bulls than we did to the Trailblazers.

J.G.--I'm not sure I buy your argument with saying that Pryzbilla equaled their start and ours is adding KD and Jeff Green. It isn't a mirror image.

Joe
Joe 5pts

@Crow
I'd like to have Cole Aldrich.

Crow
Crow 5pts

If they pass on Milsap, Lee, Charlie V., Odom, Marvin Williams, Warrick, Andersen, Gortat, Bass, Moon who the heck are they waiting on? Can't be Beasley. Right?

If you want Noah you should have taken Noah before. If you want B Lopez you should have taken B Lopez. They probably aren't after Love but maybe could have had him and we'll see if they should have. Plenty of PFs they could have taken this draft.

Who could they trade for? For what? There is a huge salary imbalance between the guys they want and the young guys they have. It would have to be 2 or 3 to 1 or something fancier.

Crow
Crow 5pts

No major free agent PG is going to come if Westbrook it still considered a PG. No major free agent SG is going to come when Hardin nails down the spot. No mid or major free agent SF is going to come. PF, no major free agent is going to come unless one or more leave. Center who is out there and who might actually come? The entire first era rides almost entirely, probably, on Presti's draft picks and if / when they jell as play well as a team. And he goes with a first time NBA head coach as coach #2. That is a hot seat or should be.

What PF could you go after? Aldridge, maybe. But would that be enough? And would they pay that price?

Crow
Crow 5pts

In my haste to comment and go to bed I missed the Keith / J.G. exchange. I covered much of the same ground Keith did.

There are two ways to look at it. But we probably all agree it rides on next year. Then the next ones.

If Portland got to 41 wins in their year 4 will Durant be content in summer of 2011 if they are at 41 wins? Very unlikely that makes the playoffs. Blazers made playoffs in year 5 and had a very rapid rise. Thunder have to match that if Durant is going to taste playoffs before possibly being an unrestricted free agent in 2012. With so little or no room for slippage you can question whether they can afford to pass on free agency this summer and get younger and younger. If they guess wrong about the rate of player development can they still correct enough next summer? Maybe but it would take a major shift and a quick integration and impact.

Crow
Crow 5pts

In the Blazers first 2 years they added several of the role players. The arrival of Roy and Aldridge is counted as year 3 here and I see the logic but Blake and Joel P. might not be around much longer and if/when they leave the perspective might change some. I had previously thought of Roy / Alrdige's arrival as year 1 and if so then they had a much larger immediate impact than what Durant / Green did year 1 and did it again the next year and the year after that, averaging an 11.7 game increase per season.

Collison was around year 1 and 2 of the new owner era. His role has been pretty close to Joel P. Watson was here too and was the Blake roleplayer for awhile. If you count their presence as similar to Joel P. and Blake then
Durant / Green have averaged -4 for year 3 and 4. You don't have to look at it this way but you can and say that things weren't really the same for Durant / Green as Roy /Aldridge.

This next year is the fairest test. No gain of near 10 games then the comparison is off, way off.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Pennington
No need to beat a horse that's not quite dead yet...or to kick a man when he's down. Oden still could develop, though it's starting to get iffy.

And I'm not even sure I agree with everything in the article, but the majority of it is just raw information, so I have a hard time debating stats and facts.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Keith
Well you can't really start picking and choosing when to say a team "really" started rebuilding. The year they start shipping out players and acquiring draft picks and imploding the roster, is the year they started rebuilding. Thus, it was 05 for the Blazers and 07 for the Sonics/Thunder.

But even so, we're still talking about a team that had a significant post presence already on their roster to help stabilize the paint and, like we've discussed, solved two of any teams biggest needs.

And if you saw what Aldridge did to the Thunder in their second to last game against one another, bruising interior presence is the only way to describe what he did. 35 points and 18 rebounds and 1 block. Green is a jumpshooting PF, Aldridge, not so much from what I've seen from him throughout his career.

And honestly, I'd love to see some more information about how different the players and efforts are for the Thunder in comparison to the Blazers because honestly, I only saw a whole bunch of similaritiesm.

Pennington
Pennington 5pts

Couldn't we have had a Greg Oden is the new Sam Bowie reference in the article?

Well written J.G. I am not sure that I agree whole-heartedly though

Keith
Keith 5pts

@J.G.
I'd argue a bit about calling Aldridge a bruising interior presence since he's very much a jump shooter who benefits from an all league rebounder in the middle, but that might just be nitpicking.

But it doesn't appreciably change my stance that Portland and OKC are poor comparisons. While the Blazers have been rebuilding since 05, their comparable efforts don't start until 06. If we take out Webster (not much of a stretch) and start the comparison in 06 (which makes more sense I feel), then the two teams are totally different. In years one and two of the Roy-Aldrige era, Portland won 32 and 41 games. In years one and two of the Durant-Green era, OKC has won 20 and 23 games. Yes, coaching hurt a lot, but great teams can and do win despite poor coaching (Cavaliers and Celtics). I'm not trying to be a downer about the team, but I feel our players and efforts are far more different from Portland than they are made to be.

Portland picked up the backbones of its team (as you mentioned) right away and started winning. We've needed to fill a large hole every draft because the team we are building will look nothing like the Blazers.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Keith
I think you're right, since Roy and Aldridge more or less solved every single team's biggest needs: A primary ball handler/someone to facilitate the offense AND a bruising, interior post presence that can grind out victories. In fact, you could argue that Aldridge's impact on the Trailblazers would probably be pretty similar for the Thunder at this point as well.

The question is, is Jeff Green ready to have that type of impact as the Thunder's PF or not...and can Krstic change his game to become more of a rebounder and shot-blocker, in addition to his sweet jump-shot game.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@J.G.
Perhaps year three means more than I'm giving it credit, but it just seems odd that Roy (primary ball-handler, so I don't think rookie PG should matter as much in our case) and Aldridge made such a big impact on the team when Durant and Green/Westbrook did not. I think part of it is that Durant doesn't seem to be the "make everyone better superstar" that Lebron, Wade, and Roy are, more the "carry a team on my back" superstar like Kobe, Carmelo, and Dirk.

Durant needs more good players around him because his play doesn't appreciably increase theirs. Of course, he is probably more dangerous individually than Roy will ever be.

Jordan
Jordan 5pts

@Bryan

He's the only guy the Clips would trade Griffin for. That's all I'm sayin...

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

@Jordan
You're insane

Joe
Joe 5pts

The Oklahoman just reported the Preseason Thunder schedule:

http://newsok.com//article/3387439?custom_click=rss

Date Opponent Time (CDT) Location
Wed., October 7 at Memphis 7:00 p.m. Memphis, TN
Sat., October 10 at New Orleans TBD New Orleans, LA
Mon., October 12 vs. Phoenix 7:00 p.m. Oklahoma City, OK
Wed., October 14 vs. Miami 7:00 p.m. Tulsa, OK
Mon., October 19 at Houston 7:30 p.m. Houston, TX
Tue., October 20 vs. San Antonio 7:30 p.m. Austin, TX
Thu., October 22 vs. Sacramento 7:00 p.m. Oklahoma City, OK

Great news....only three months to wait!!!! :O)

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@JW
That's it, I'm firing Royce as my editor.

Hmmm...would I trade Thabo's 8.5 points for 8.5 assists...

@Keith
Another thing is, they got Roy and Aldridge in year three of the rebuilding. Sure would be nice to land a legit All-Star and one of the best young PF's in the same draft of your third year of rebuilding mode.

JW
JW 5pts

Along with the McMillan thing you've got Thabo down for 8.5 assists.. decent article though

Jordan
Jordan 5pts

Blake Griffin for Kevin Durant straight up!

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

Can we have Blake Griffin instead?

Jordan
Jordan 5pts

Who wants Chris Kaman?

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

@Keith
P.J. Carlisimo. Wildly unstable line-ups (Have no stats to back this up, but we MUST have been near the top of the league in # of different starting line-ups played). True rookie point guard. No defensive anchor in the middle like Przbilla. Significant rotation players didn't join until middle/end of the season (Thabo,Krstic,Livingston,White). I think our potential talent across the board is significantly better than Portland's, and we are a defensive minded center away from kicking their buts on a regular basis.

Keith
Keith 5pts

The one thing that I don't like about the comparison is the way the Blazers' record took off after landing their franchise players. The team increased its wins by 11 the first year they had Roy and Aldridge. Even if we count Westbrook as our secondary star, our wins haven't appreciably increased after getting either of our best players. In a league like the NBA, singular talents can be a lot more influential. Lebron has repeated led an all-around lackluster squad deep in the playoffs. Kobe and Wade have done huge things individually for their teams' records. Why hasn't OKC seen the same?

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Steve H
Excellent post. Well said.

@Nix
If only.

Jordan
Jordan 5pts

@Tommy,

Uh, Perkins is a beast in terms of shot blocking and rebounding and defense which is what we're discussing that the Thunder desire in the middle. He's 24-years old and averaged 8.5 points and 8 boards with 2 blocks in 30 minutes a game for the season. Then stepped that up in the playoffs to nearly 12 and 12 with 2.6 blocks per game. Oh yeah, he shot 57 percent from the field and all the playoff numbers came without Garnett. The Thunder would without question "jump for joy" if they had a guy like that.

Nix
Nix 5pts

Nice article from an Oklahoman sumo wrestler

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

Landing Gortat this summer would have required the sort of "Poison Pill" offer that Portland tried with Milsap/Utah- and as their example showed, even then it might not work. I do not think Gortat would be worth the 8mill?10mill? per it would have taken, but he would be a fantastic aquisition at his current price of 6+ per. I love the pairing of him and Krstic- our starting unit should be able to score in bunches without significant offense from the 5 spot- what it lackss is interior defense and rebounding. Our second unit- (Livingston,Sefalosha,Green, and White) looks like a better defensive unit over-all that could really benefit from Krstic's shooting ability. I still have my fingers crossed about landing Gortat this December- Mullens and a first rounder? Throw in a second round pick? Gortat certainly looks solid, but Orlando paying out over 1 million per average minute (after tax)on the floor seems plain crazy.

Vega
Vega 5pts

@Chris
Almost seven feet, committed to rebounding and blocking shots. He is also white and plays college ball at Kansas. Sounds like a guy we already have.

Dan
Dan 5pts

I think the biggest difference is that Harden looks to be a great fit and Webster turned out to be a dud. Harden could turn out to be a flop, but right now he appears to be a perfect fit. Portland is still trying to find a dependable SF and PG, after this season, hopefully we will only need a dependable center, thus accelerating our rebuilding.

Chris
Chris 5pts

Another thought: someone should write about the history of "finesse" post players developing into tenacious rebounders/defenders over the course of their careers. I can't think of many prominent examples, really. Seems you either have that mentality coming into the league or you don't.

Chris
Chris 5pts

Good points J.G.

What does everybody think about Cole Aldrich as a possible draft pick next year? I haven't seen a whole lot of his play but was impressed with what I did see. Almost 7' and committed to rebounding and blocking shots. Sounds like just what we need.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Tommy
Well we're absolutely not talking about winning a championship right now (if only). But that is THE goal, regardless of whatever stage in the rebuilding process you're in. If that's not the goal of your franchise, if that doesn't influence every decision you make in both the now and the future, then why even make roster moves? You know?

I don't want my GM to construct a team who will only compete for a #4 or #5 seed in the playoffs, putting up a respectable amount of wins in the process, but really having no shot at a championship at any point. All or nothing. We play....to win....the game. And any other cliched catchphrase that applies to the "Ultimate Prize" mentality!

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Tommy
I'm with you on the great PF = don't need a great center, but we're basically still talking about a big who clogs the lane, intimidates shots in the post and rebounds like a crazed wildebeest (I'll never understand why it's spelled that way instead of wildebeast, but I digress).

But about Perkins, you may want to take a closer look at what kind of center he really is (in fact, ask Dwight Howard how good he is since he single-handedly guarded him in the post and was one of the main reasons the Celtics pushed that to 7 games).

Perkins was 6th in centers in the league in blocks per game and 9th in rebounds per game. I'd jump for joy if the Thunder had those kind of numbers at either big position!

And Pau Gasol was probably one of the top 10 players in the league at the end of the season, so yes, please sign me up for him on the Thunder roster at center. He may not be a "true" center, but he rebounds, blocks, has a post-up game and fills the lane, which is all I'm looking for from a center, regardless of his truthfulness at the position or not.

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

@J.G.@Tommy

You're both wrong! What the Thunder REALLY need to do is sign this local kid I know (cough Me) to a five year, $60 million contract. Sure, I'm only 6' and can't play basketball, but they would be stupid not to start me.

Tommy
Tommy 5pts

@J.G.
another note J.G. we are not really talking Championship here because we are a very long ways away from that. I am just talking winning in general and look what the bulls did with Joakim Noah...i mean really? If Kristc can improve any I think we have a very good chance at winning.

Tommy
Tommy 5pts

@J.G.
If you have a good PF you dont have to have a great center..It helps yes but needed to win no. Can Green be the guy..who knows but I also like what i see in Ibaka.

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