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I’m so excited, I’m so excited… I’m so scared

by Royce Young on October 1, 2009 at 2:59 pm 27 Comments

That’s exactly what’s running through my mind about this upcoming season. On one hand, I’m stoked like a giant bonfire about this year. Kevin Durant and Jeff Green’s third year. Russell Westbrook’s second. James Harden, Serge Ibaka and the new guys. Scott Brooks’ first full season. The hype, the improvement, the expectations.

But those last three things are exactly what also terrify me. The hype. The (assumed) improvement. The expectations.

At media day, there was a running question that bounced from player to player: Are the playoffs a possibility? I was actually kind of shocked people were even asking about it. (I’m about to go exactly where you’d expect.) Playoffs? Don’t talk about playoffs. You kiddin’ me? Playoffs? Did everyone forget about last year? Did we forget this team started 3-29 and while it’s been turned over more than Courtney Love, it’s still basically the same core? It’s still a group of under 24 year olds that are very, very talented, yet pretty unproven.

This is what happens during a long offseason. Teams being chic picks. Teams build hype and expectations. Teams are declared on the rise and upcoming. How many years have we been waiting for the Texans to finally become that under-the-radar playoff team? I just fear that offseason of this could alter and distort realistic thoughts about the Thunder and make them a “disappointment” when nothing was disappointing.

And while reading story after story talking about how my team is going to be better was fun, it’s also slightly scary. Now, external expectation has been placed on this team, when they didn’t ask for it. Instead of being able to build and improve at its natural rate, now if the team starts slow or wins just 28 games, all of a sudden 2009-10 is a disappointment. Sam Presti is no longer smart. Kevin Durant isn’t a superstar. This team is probably a year away from reaching it’s apex. They could win this year, but it’s not expected. Does this make any sense at all?

At the same time, the team is responsible for living up to the expectation that’s been placed upon them at some point. While some things are a tad unreasonable (playoffs, 50 wins and such and such), if this team is one that we eventually will see become a consistent winner, it has to start sometime. Otherwise this plan ain’t working. That doesn’t necessarily mean RIGHT NOW, but at some time this year, we definitely need to at least see the steps being taken that direction.

It’s hard to stay reasonable sometimes because it’s easy to get excited as fans. It’s easy to stare through a tiny hole and see everything positive in a team instead of understand its faults. Just look back at some of my recaps during the not-so-excellent P.J. Carlesimo regime. I tried to find positives in everything when the reality was, the team stunk and was getting worse. It’s what we do. But tempering expectation is key. Presti’s plan is built on patience. And we have to be just that.

Kevin Durant THUNDERMEDIADAY

As Clark noted in his column, in other markets, this wouldn’t fly. But we’re in a unique situation here because we’re willing to give it time. Unless that is we spent a whole summer hearing how good we are and therefore, our once patient, reasonable expectations have now been built into potentially outlandish, over-hyped ones. Then we lose all our patience in the plan and expect the wins now. That’s what Bill Simmons and Ric Bucher said would happen! So why isn’t it?

This isn’t to say you shouldn’t expect great from this team. If we didn’t have the hope that this team could surprise and make a run, then what’s the point in watching? I think we all know a reasonable, sensible number of wins is around 32-36. A bold prediction would be 36-42. If you’re pessimistic, maybe you see 25-30. Anything under 25 is surely a disappointment. But even with all that, there’s that small Peter Gammons part in all of us thinking, “Hey, if things break right and Russell Westbrook becomes that superstar point guard, if Kevin Durant rises into the elite, if Jeff Green becomes a quality four, if the bench evolves and can produce, if James Harden is as good as advertised, if the veterans step up and lead, if Scott Brooks turns into a coaching phenom and Nenad Krstic returns to form, and maybe Presti makes use of the assets and picks up another quality player at the deadline, well, then this team could win 50 games and make a playoff push.”

The players have been trying to tamp down the expectations. The media manifested them and will continue to press it. It makes for good stories. But us fans have to do our best to stay reasonable. I’m excited and I have high hopes for this season. Best case, I’d love a playoff run. I’d likely tear my shirt off and run down I-35 screaming “Thunder Up!!!” if that happened. But you can’t let the hype get to you. Shaun Livingston said, “Of course the playoffs are a possibility. That’s what everybody wants.” But it can’t be expected. Unless of course if Russell Westbrook becomes that superstar point guard and if Kevin Durant…

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f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

this season we can score a lot more points without watson in the lineup, i almost kinda see us like a running phoenix team, lots of offense not great defense,

okiefunk
okiefunk 5pts

Sooooo agree about "Thunder UP!" I swear to God if I ever see "Git-er-dun!" used in reference to my beloved team or players I will search out those responsible in the Thunder media and advertising department and personally wax their eyebrows and pour fire-ants down their pants!

Awwww Zack! I miss you man....

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

Anyone see Krstic's comments on Gortat in the Oklahoman today? (I figure they'll be in the Bolts today, but I thought it was interesting.) Here's Nenad's direct quote:

“He just said he wants to be here because he thinks he can fit here,” Krstic said. “He actually said he can fit with my game because he can play inside and I can shoot outside. We just talked and they put in the papers that he wants to be here and he's coming here. It was a mistake.”

It's not entirely clear, but what I gathered is that Gortat said he would be a good fit with Krstic's game, but that's all he said. The press interpreted that as saying that he wants to move/is going to move to OKC. Still, it's encouraging that Gortat is excited about the basketball possibilities in OKC.

Thoughts?

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Todd
Amen on Thunder Up. Completely lame.

Todd
Todd 5pts

There does seem to be quite a bit of 'hype' around the team this season, but I've also seen several writers temper that some by basically saying 'probably no playoffs this year.' In fact, my wild guess would be that this is the general consensus, that the team shows definite improvement, but falls short of the playoffs. I'd love to be surprised by a playoff run although I'm not expecting it. But either way, they should be fun to watch. One other thing - can't they come up with something better than "Thunder Up"? Yech.

Vega
Vega 5pts

@Dai
Let's say that we get thirty-something wins. Assuming that we don't jump a lot in the lotto, that would probably put us around the eighth to tenth pick. Personally, I'd rather have Biedrins than some big that we could get with a mid-lotto pick. I would consider offering that pick and the Phoenix pick (Most likely a very late lotto or early non-lotto.) for Biedrins, although, as I pointed out, there is some risk.

Right now, it doesn't look like having two first-round picks is really going to significantly improve the team the way our multiple first rounders in the past two drafts have. We have enough young pieces. We have plenty of young wings and power forwards, and a center prospect. I think that we need a veteran big to complete the team. We need a younger veteran, like Gortat or Biedrins, that is locked up long-term and can help push the team to the next level. I'd rather use our picks in the coming draft to get a guy like that instead of yet another big prospect like Mullens, Ibaka, and White. We have enough guys like that. Get me a real big.

Another thing we should probably be looking in to is a guy to replace Nick Collison. I love Nick, but he won't be signed to a long-term deal. There are too many guys that are younger and better than him that we could get instead, like Gortat, or even Josh Boone. Personally, I'd start decreasing Nick's minutes this year to get ready for life without him. Ibaka and White need to get more burn so we can see what we have, because while we have a lot of talent, a lot of guys on this team are enigmas. White's stats look good from what limited time he played last year, but most of that came in garbage time, so we don't have a very good read on him. Ibaka and Mullens both have potential to be major factors, so they should both get some time as well, (Ibaka more than Mullens.) and if that means sacrificing some of Nick's playing time, than so be it, although I would try to trade Nick to a contender before gluing him to the bench. He deserves it.

Has anyone else considered Josh Childress? We could probably offer him decent money, and I heavily doubt that Atlanta would match. He would bring some scoring off the bench and provide a legitimate backup to KD. Thoughts?

AD
AD 5pts

Courtney Love... (hehehe)

Crow
Crow 5pts

The Thomas deal whether it works on the court this year or in a trade or a way to get a vet backup for later also, at least compared to waiving Atkins and buying Wilkins out, kept OKC enough above the league minimum salary figure that almost nobody would mention it. Is it just a stage or a sign of tight budgets in the future? Time will tell.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Biedrins' deal has the advantage of being flat-line. Even if he is is near his peak performance his $9 million may seem a better value over time. It isn't huge and flat-lining it was kinda new-wave but it was still produced in the old school salary environment. What will $9 million buy in the future? You might be able to pay that and get a bigger impact player. Well, some teams might. Hard to say if the Thunder can til they do it. They have to want to first. Everybody assumes management will offer Durant the max but will they do it next summer as an extension? they don't have to but they might want to. They might not and he might not accept but we'll see.
And how much are they prepared to pay the long-term #2, 3 and 4? $9 million is probably more than they will pay #4, or #3 or maybe even #2. It will come out slowly.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Since you asked and I am here I'll make an exception Vega.
Maybe it makes up for a mistake? You decide.

Biedrins' per game rebounding is inflated by the Warriors pace but if you use rebounding rates per 100 possessions he still looks fine on that. Above any Thunder player. Though his rebounding does tail off some against good teams. He'll rebound and block a few shots but at least at GS his defense is kinda weak. For all the bigs Nelson has delayed or frustrated it looks like they developed Biedrins the right way. Played him under 15 minutes a game as a teenager, elevated him to starter in his third year, gradually increased the shots, not pressured him to be more than he is- a complimentary player. His jumper is comparable to Collison's but he knows it and uses it extremely rarely- jump shot frequency between 11-16% of shots the last 3 years. His adjusted is modestly positive. He'd be a feel good add but might not be a good value at $9 million a year for 4-5 years. But maybe he'd be better elsewhere and he is better than what some teams get for $5-6 mil. Substitute Collison for Thomas the Warriors might consider your deal. But who knows what that crew is thinking.

Vince
Vince 5pts

I think the expectations from the fan base depend on how you define "fan base". There certainly seems to be a reasonable crew on this site day in and day out but casual fans I think are expecting a lot more. (I think that's true anywhere, but fans used to OU football, where 9-3 is a disappointment, might be even worse.)

From a casual fan's standpoint, this should be a really, really good team. Don't they have 3 top-5 picks? Wasn't Durant the best college player in the country? So they should be really good, right? Most of the caution on the board comes from people who understand the NBA, and understand the process of building a team. Considering that this state is full of college-first fans, for the most part -- where teams can and do go from 12-18 to 25-5 in a year -- I would think our "casual" fans probably have expectations in line with much of the media. (That probably has something to do with the fact that the average media member knows as much about the NBA as the casual fan.)

Last point, which kind of ties the two above threads together -- it's a really good post by Royce here, and I agree wholeheartedly. One more point I would make is that this season is SO, SO important to the future of the franchise. If this team wins 28 games, then having 5 2010 draft picks and all these young players just looks like a mess. Where do you go from there? If these guys are so talented, why are they winning 35% of their games? We'll be wondering if the Thunder need to start over, if Green should be traded, if Westbrook can't play the 1, why we didn't draft Rubio.

But if they win 35, or 40, and can meet some (emphasis: some) of these expectations, it's a different ballgame. Come February we can talk about moving those assets for a Biedrins or a Bosh (OK, OK, or a Gortat) and start wondering if he's the "final piece". We can have enough mojo that a player of that level would WANT to come here, and would consider signing an extension. I just think it's really a key season in terms of defining the future of the franchise. That should settle everybody down...

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

Fantastic, Royce.

It's been awhile since I heard the sweet serenade of the Hot Sundaes.

Side note though: How prophetic was that episode? If she needed to stay awake now she'd just drink an Amp (plug!) or a Red Bull (you can advertise on the Daily Thunder now!) and everyone would be fine with her screaming that she was so excited, so, so excited.

Dai
Dai 5pts

@Vega
I would rather draft a big then trade for Kaman, but Biedrins sounds tempting. I would offer a conditional 1st round pick, Weaver and Thomas in a heart beat. Not so sure about trading Sefolosha? Maybe if they included Azubuike?

Vega
Vega 5pts

Thirty-something wins is a realistic expectation. Anything else is a bonus.

Here are two other possible trade scenarios that would be significantly larger than getting someone like Josh Boone or Hilton Armstrong:

Chris Kaman: Rumors were popping up around the draft that we were came close to acquiring Kaman, and, depending on what the cilps want to do, we still might be able to get him for cheap.

The Clips are going to be looking to be players in the '10 free agent frenzy, and dumping Kaman's $11 mil 2010 salary would really expand what they could do. If LA really wants to focus on '10, we might be able to pull a Chandler-esque trade and get Kaman for Etan Thomas and a second-round pick, or the rights to DeVon Hardin.

Would I want Kaman? Maybe. He's been getting injured a lot recently, and his contract isn't very nice, but he is a more than capable big when he's healthy. If I could get him for Thomas/second-round pick, I would definitely pull the trigger.

Andris Biedrins: He's the crown jewel among bigs potentially available in a trade, and because of that, it will probably require a king's ransom to get him. He's still very young, is locked in to a very reasonable long-term deal, and he was an absolute monster last year when he was healthy. I'd say that our first round pick, the Pheonix pick, and a package of Thomas and either Sefolosha or Weaver is a reasonable estimate of what it would take to get him.

Is Biedrins worth it? Possibly. He put up ridiculous numbers in the first few months of the season last year, but he was slowed down by some nagging injuries towards the end of the year. My concern with Biedrins is that his numbers have been seriously inflated due to Nellie's run-n-gun system in GS. When you've had Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, Matt Barnes, Corey Maggete, Kellena Azubuike, and Jamal Crawford jacking up ten billion bad shots a game, your center's rebounds are probably going to be inflated quite a bit. I am very concerned that if you remove him from a running team, his productivity would plummet, although I'm not sure. Perhaps Crow could use some of his epic stat calculating and get a better grasp on Biedrins' game.

Royce
Royce 5pts

See that's the thing. I don't think the rising hype and expectation are coming from the Thunder fan base. I think it's coming from media both national and local. I was fairly stunned when I heard reporters asking players about potentially making a playoff run.

Dai
Dai 5pts

Sadly enough I have the same expectation that I had last year. 35 wins.

After the Thunder accomplish a 35 win season, then I'll be looking for some playoff action... then a division title... then a conference title...
then a nba championship... I think my demands are reasonable.

Royce
Royce 5pts

@dylan

Steps not leaps. Well put.

dylan
dylan 5pts

My main concern is that the casual fan that has heard nothing all offseason except for the whole "can Durant top LeBron" thing buys into the hype and expects too much.

I'd hate to be around .500 at the all-star break and have half the Ford Center be disappointed at the results.

Somehow, someone needs to temper expectations. We're taking steps, not leaps.

Derrick
Derrick 5pts

Wow great references and good story line too. 2 Buddy Bands to you my friend.

Cpt. C-Note
Cpt. C-Note 5pts

*(insert "know" us pretty well)

Cpt. C-Note
Cpt. C-Note 5pts

@Royce
Yes, you do us pretty well!
btw...
Screech vs. Eercle(sp?)in a 3 round MMA fight! Who wins?(and how do we set it up?)
I got Screech in 2 with an guillotine submission, but Eercle gets in some good shots!

Mully Mulls
Mully Mulls 5pts

Hahaha! Were you listening to Wild today? I was listening to a stream and they were supposed to have Screech on. They were answering questions about it and somebody said "Bayshore" instead of Bayside for the HS they went to.

Good reference! This DEFINATELY brings back memories!

Like OMG and stuff
Like OMG and stuff 5pts

I know this doesn't relate to anything in this post, but I literally don't know anywhere else to go with this question. On yahoosports under the Thunder page it says:

"All 82 regular-season games for this season are being broadcast in high definition. Play-by-play announcer Brian Davis and color analyst Grant Long are also returning for their second season. The Thunder is one of only 10 NBA teams to broadcast all 82 games in HD."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/okc/report#notes_quotes

Does this mean that only OKC residents on their local channel will get it, while Thunder fans like me on the east coast that have to rely on NBA league pass will have to once again settle for the same old horrific quality footage whenever I watch thunder games?

Someone please help!!! I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY wanna watch this season in HD and I will stop at nothing until I figure out how

Royce
Royce 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
I think I know my audience.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Ah! The days when flower print pants made you weak in the knees.

Good article Royce. You used the "Saved By The Bell" trumpcard (which instantly turns any article into a raving success) and you didn't even have to.

donuteyes
donuteyes 5pts

i didn't read this post, but the title alone makes it one of your best ever. keep this up, and we'll be 'friends forever!'

and was it just me, or was stacey carosi (played by leah remini, zack's summer girlfriend at the resort the gang worked at) better than kelly? kelly was such a tease, it got old...

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