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Oklahoma City plays meh, but downs Charlotte 98-91

by Royce Young on December 26, 2009 at 10:00 pm 75 Comments

BOX SCOREDurant – ADVANCED BOX SCORE

The Thunder looked flat early. The crowd was lethargic, as were the players. Blame it on the bad weather, a Christmas hangover, whatever. But this game had every appearance of a letdown. But here’s what’s cool: They won.

It was almost similar to how the REALLY good teams do it sometimes. Come out with sub-par energy and when things look to be getting serious, YOU get serious. It’s not ideal but it’s what good teams do to get by during an 82-game season. And I think at this point we can (gasp) start calling Oklahoma City a good team.

But the Thunder never could completely put Charlotte away. After a 13-2 run in the second quarter, the Bobcats came back with a big run of their own. After a 9-0 run to start the third quarter, Charlotte came back to bring it to within four. OKC held a 5-10 point lead for virtually the entire game. And while yes, it was a little frustrating that the Thunder never really put the dagger in, this had the feeling of a lot of Thunder games against elite teams. One side has just enough talent to keep it somewhat interesting, but the other clearly has them overmatched. It felt like OKC playing Boston or Cleveland last year, when the Thunder could keep it around eight or ten, but never have the extra umph to get over the hump. And I think it’s kind of cool to have a team good enough to “toy” with another team.

That said, OKC isn’t good enough to do this sort of thing on a consistent basis. You do this enough and you’ll start losing games you absolutely shouldn’t.

But you know what? Some defensive breakdowns late, some poor offensive execution and a few turnovers and this thing got close. Like four points close with the Bobcats in possession of the ball. Thanks to a horrible turnover by Stevie Graham, OKC caught a break and finished it with a Durant dunk to seal the deal. But again, these are the things the Thunder have watched happen to them against other teams in the past. Now this season, it seems like OKC is the squad making its breaks happen. I think that makes this a good team, right?

Notes:

  • I know Serge Ibaka has played really well, but Nenad Krstic still has value. Some have talked about trading him, but whether he starts or comes off the bench, he’s a nice role player. He had a solid 13 and 10 in just 24 minutes, but that’s a great contribution from him. He’s worth having because he’s an extra offensive weapon and a perfect pick and pop option. Wherever he fits in later on, he’s definitely worth having.
  • But ponder this somewhat amazing stat: Tonight was the first game Krstic has recorded at least 10 rebounds. For a starting seven-foot center, that’s kind of incredible.
  • Does it seem like OKC struggles to finish fast breaks to anyone else? It seems like there is not a lot of passing and that the lead man almost always attacks the basket. Maybe I’m wrong on that, but that’s what it seems like to me.
  • OKC played some uninspired defense and was mainly helped by bad Charlotte offense. Stephen Jackson had 24 points on 26 shots. The Bobcats hit just 43 percent and missed eight free throws. I think the best defense you could play tonight was to leave your man open for an 18-foot jumper.
  • Yep, Russell Westbrook is unslumping. And one reason for it? He’s finishing much better at the rim. He’s awesome at getting there, but a lot of times he’ll miss a tough layup at the tin. Now he’s completing the play. The guy is going to be a good player. I know he’s somewhat divisive in the fan base and there are a lot of opinions about him, but remember, he’s young, talented and learning. He’s starting to get some consistency. If I told you two years from now instead of three out of five games being like this, he’s having eight of ten like this, would you be happy? I would.
  • And yes, I realize I said he’s finishing better at the rim and he blew an uncontested layup. I’m not counting that. But since the Maynor deal (three games) Westbrook is: 27-56 (48 percent) from the field, has 26 assists to seven turnovers and is averaging 20.6 ppg. He started tonight 9-10 from the floor before getting carried away and finished 10-18. But six assists, zero turnovers and five rebounds is a solid, solid game. Again, I’m convinced Westbrook has a solid mid-range game. You might remember me even saying it while he struggled two weeks ago. But he’s capable of knocking down those 12-15 feet jumpers. His confidence is spilling over and I think the more he plays, the more he hits those with regularity.
  • Thabo is such a huge part of the Thunder’s rebounding. He had another eight boards tonight and for the season, he’s in the top five for shooting guards. His box score doesn’t light you up every night, but he’s productive almost every minute that he’s in. James Harden is much flashier and we all love him and he’s a big part of the current success, but don’t forget Thabo’s value.
  • I think KD’s shot is back. Like all  the way back. Three-pointer included. He’s taking them more in rhythm and knocking down the open ones. I think he’ll finish the season around 40 percent.
  • Ibaka was not that awesome tonight. Zero points in 11 minutes and just three rebounds. But hey, he’s just 20. Even with that, I’m really beginning to think a lot of the “Sign a Big Man” talk may start dying out. Maybe the best option is to remain patient and let Ibaka and company develop. Think about how far he’s come since his first action against Detroit where he was completely lost. I feel like if we wait, we might be rewarded with something special, without having to give up assets. Wait and see I suppose.
  • You’ve got to love the Eric Maynor-Jeff Capel story. Right after Maynor was traded to OKC, Capel sent him a text that said, “Welcome to OKC. And if you don’t have anywhere to go for Christmas, you’re coming to my house.” Gotta love that.
  • Interesting thing about the double-technical called on Ibaka and Jackson: If you listen closely to the referee reporting the foul to the scorer’s table, you hear him say, “Technical to Jackson and… Ibaka or whatever his name is.” I guess Serge really hasn’t developed a reputation with the officials yet, huh?
  • How does Flip Murry beat Jeff Green on a jump ball? How?
  • What happened to Boris Diaw? I thought he used to be good. Or at least kind of good.
  • Nick Collison was nice off the pine. Nine points, eight rebounds in 25 minutes. Without him, OKC loses this game.
  • Maynor showed a little offense tonight. The nice slip to the bucket on the screen and roll and then the deep 3. He only played nine minutes but that’s his role and he handled it nicely.
  • If you were sitting mid-court behind a girl wearing a bright green shirt, I saw you on TV wearing your “Beard” shirt. Thanks.
  • What is up with Grant Long’s new fascination with declaring, “That is Thunder basketball” or some variation of that. It started the other night against the Lakers and I think he’s really fallen in love with it. My question is: What exactly IS Thunder basketball? Fast-breaking? Rebounding? Good defense? Isn’t that just sort of… basketball? Mrs. Daily Thunder on the matter: “If he says that one more time, I am going to shove this pencil through my eye. I’m serious.” After every somewhat decent play I started saying, “THAT’S THUNDER BASKETBALL.” I now have a pencil through my eye.
  • Eight turnovers in the first half for the Thunder, just two in the second. And OKC outrebounded Charlotte 48-36 and after the Bobcats had taken nine more shots in the first half, the Thunder finished with two more attempts.

A nice win if for nothing else because it was exactly that – a win. Again, you mess around like this on a consistent basis and you’ll lose some you shouldn’t. But I find it kind of awesome that Oklahoma City even has the ability to play flat for a half, slop around for a bit, let a team hang around and then still win. I think a game like this shows the improved maturity and focus of this group, almost more than a big upset win in Phoenix. But maybe that’s just me.

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Next up: Now at 15-14, OKC heads to New Jersey to take on the Nets Monday night.

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ThuDer
ThuDer 5pts

Jazz look leg- weary. If we could just hit a free throw

Crow
Crow 5pts

The Harden - Thabo balance is probably most of the way to the long-run equilibrium. They went from Thabo 32 / Harden 21 in the first 18 games to Thabo 25 / Harden 26 in the last 10 games. Maybe Harden gets 3-5 more minutes over time and maybe (or maybe not) Thabo gets less but it can be slow and I am not going to quibble that much there.

But long-term Green at 40 minutes isn't the best choice to me. Worst Adjusted +/- on the team.

Maynor is now there to allow Westbrook's time to be moderated when needed or overall. White and / or Ibaka can do that for Green. Brooks just has to get the word from Presti that it is ok to do so. Won't happen til then, if that ever happens.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Green and Thabo have been both playing better the last 10 games though it is better and less for Thabo but better and even more for Green - almost 40 minutes a game. There are reasons why few coaches use very few players that much. We'll see how Durant and Green hold up in March, April and best sceanrio May.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Green on the floor has a positive +/- about 40% of the time. Green's win% is the lowest on the team.

Thabo when at SG is the same deal. Winning less than team average there (better at backup SF though).

Facing tougher opponents probably than others but not the unshakable answers.

Let them start, just play the others more, especially when they get on a roll.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Brooks is sticking with a plan in general and I respect that to a degree. But honestly I think they could do better.

With less Green and more White (or Ibaka). Less Thabo and more Harden.

Crow
Crow 5pts

I doubt White is a slacker or surly. Maybe they are using defense as an issue with him but if they do they could use it harder against others too.

I think it boils down to they are so wedded to Green at 35+ minutes a game there just isn't any time left after letting Presti and the fans see Ibaka. Give Green 28-30 minutes and you could see White for 8 minutes a game, even for 20 games mid-season. Only other way it happens is sit Ibaka or trade Collison or Krstic or cut them back closer to 15 minutes. Green for 30 minutes vs Green for 37... I don't think that last 7 minutes of Green is so special or vital. I think White is better than that tail or could be and is worth a better look.

Lefty
Lefty 5pts

@justin
Serge has been getting a lot of the minutes Etan would get. Also Collison. Serge had a big night against the Lakers also (13/11/5). I think they've decided they'd rather develop Serge than worry about Etan. Especially if they're preparing to move his contract. It's not like people don't know about him. They don't need to play Etan to make his value known. Meanwhile, they get to let Serge play more minutes, which is really helping him as a player. Etan is another player I really like, and I wish he would play more, but like you said, the consistent rotation is starting to pay off.

justin
justin 5pts

D.J. White just has a lot of people ahead of him on the depth chart. I'm a huge White fan and think he could be a great rotation player, but I understand Scott Brooks' insistence on a nine man rotation. The team is winning and they know who their core pieces are. Crow, certainly you remember the painful rotations of Sonics past? It's refreshing to see Brooks stick to a plan.

I have no problem with White going to the D-League to play every day.

The bigger concern for me is Etan Thomas getting no minutes even when it might be warranted (Laker game).

Lefty
Lefty 5pts

@Kev
Which is too bad. I liked when we picked him up. But for whatever reason...

Kev
Kev 5pts

I'm with Lefty . . .

all we do is speculate all day long . . .

is he late to practice?
does he work in practice?
does he have a blase attitude?
is he disrepectful to the coaching staff?
does he care about defense?

who knows?

whatever it is, based on that, and his ugly defense on the court so far - his offense has been rendered moot . . .

Lefty
Lefty 5pts

@Crow
My only answer I could give you, based on what you've shown us stats wise, is that there's something going on in practice that we're just not seeing. I agree with you that he should get more playing time, and maybe that's why they sent him to the D-league? He seems like a good player, but clearly Scotty doesn't want him on the floor. I don't have an answer I can back up with stats, I can just say he must be doing something that the organization doesn't like.

White was a really good college player. I can't imagine he couldn't help some team in the pros, but maybe it's just not this team. Maybe for his own good they should go ahead and part ways with him, see if somewhere else he can get some minutes.

Crow
Crow 5pts

47 players play 35+ minutes per game. Durant rates 7th best. Green 10th lowest in this group. And PER will make Green look better than a measure that fully weights defense.

24 clear centers play 20+ minutes per game. Krstic ranks 6th lowest.

What's good enough to stay going in the same direction and what's not enough to prompt a change?

Crow
Crow 5pts

If I'm overdoing his case then what the heck was the actual original plan and how is it different from what I am calling for?

Stay in competition for a playoff spot then do what you think best but if that slips much I'd get back to checking on Project Future.

Either Green and / or Krstic should be confirmed as commitments in major roles for 2011-12 and beyond by this summer or you should move on or at least actively look at the possibilities to move on another way. And it would help to know what else you really have before deciding that. By this summer they will have a modest taste of Ibaka and maybe or probably still not much for White.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Petro got a 4400 minute trial before he was traded. Swift got 1500 minutes.

White has essentially gotten Sene treatment so far when active. And that ain't right.

Crow
Crow 5pts

When does White get to 500 minutes? By the end of the season? You'd have to play him every game for about 6 minutes to do that. And they show no signs of doing so.

So he is going to get to 1000 minutes by the end of year 3? That is awfully light usage.

I'd want to see a guy 2000+ minutes to get a pretty good sense of them. At least.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Make that... Krstic (in OKC) got to 200 minutes in 19 days.

Crow
Crow 5pts

I bet his defense could improve with more time on the court. Like with anybody else.

White at 200 minutes career. Last season there was a reason. This season? I question the strength of the reasoning.

Ibaka got to 200 minutes in 6 weeks. Green got there in 2 weeks. Even Krstic got there in 2 weeks.

Compare White to these guys on defense? Compared them to the version of those players after the same amount of time on the court. White after 200 minutes or Green after 200 minutes? Both works in progress. 2 week Rookie Green probably was weaker on the stats but I'll let it go there.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Stats, small sample stats aren't the whole story. I understand that.

But White last season to this season? FG%? Way up. Near tops in the league. FT% Perfect for the season so far. Steals rate? Almost doubled. TO%? The team low.

What do you want? Other than better defense at times and every player could be caught and critiqued for that.

You could throw him a bone. Give him a chance. I mean Ibaka is being encouraged. Why not White too?

This is a guy that Presti traded up to get. How much do they really know about him? Isn't what they know positive more than negative? Seems that way to me. This isn't a guy with stinky or lukewarm stats. He is a guy with a 25 PER. In short minutes but he put up a 20 PER last season in more minutes so it doesn't appear to be a fluke; he appears to be a lot better shooter. Imagine if he got regular minutes and got comfortable and in the flow.

justin
justin 5pts

Most of the centers that may be available in a trade have a much higher price tag than $9 million. Sam Dalembert, Andrew Bogut, Emeka Okafor, Andrew Bynum, Al Jefferson, Chris Kaman.

The only center who has been said to be available who is on a 'value' contract would be Andris Biedrins.

justin
justin 5pts

That would basically equate to signing a player in the offseason since we'd be using our expiring contracts to acquire a player likely signed to a long term deal.

In any event, this year + this offseason if the last chance to acquire a proven commodity without giving up a legitimate asset (either by trading our expirings or using the cap space in the offseason).

Kev
Kev 5pts

Dont discount the possibility of a trade in an effort to get another star player . . .

justin
justin 5pts

@Kev

If you think about it, this offseason might be the last opportunity Sam Presti has at acquiring a legitimate starting center.

Assuming this core group of players sticks together, the team will not have substantial cap space to sign a free agent for quite awhile. Additionally, seeing as we're already bordering on the edges of the draft lottery, it will become increasingly unlikely that he will be able to acquire an impact big man in the draft.

Therefore, short of trading away proven assets, free agency in this offseason is the time to sign a center if there ever was a time. It comes down to how much risk Sam Presti wants to take in terms of his developing big men. The odds that either Serge Ibaka or Byron Mullens become above average starters in this league, considering to their draft position, are small. Signing a proven commodity represents the 'safe play', you know what you're going to get more or less with Brendan Haywood, for example. Some people here might be comfortable sticking with the young centers and watching them develop, but once that choice is made and this offseason passes, we lose the opportunity to sign a center without giving up pieces of our 'core' to do so. If Serge Ibaka or Byron Mullens do not work out, the team is basically forced to make a trade to get a competent center; and make no mistake, if we want to compete in the playoffs a competent center is a requirement.

Is Brendan Haywood worth $9 million? It depends on your perspective. Assuming our core pieces pan out (KD, RW, JG, JH, and the bench), we'll probably be a competent big away from truly competing in the not-so distant future. If we pass on this free agency class, and Serge Ibaka / Byron Mullens do not become that 'competent big', then Sam Presti would essentially be forced into making a trade if this team is to have a realistic shot. I understand how some would be put off from signing a guy like Brendan Haywood for that amount, but I feel that it's actually the safer play.

Kev
Kev 5pts

We really don't need a backup three - Green and Thabo steal what few minutes Durant doesn't play . . . we really are all set at the 1-3 positions (assuming RW continues his good play on the offensive end) . . . I guess we need a true 5, but I don't know why Haywood's name keeps popping up - I dont think he's worth $9 million . . .

justin
justin 5pts

@Lefty

$9 million is enough to go after a Brendan Haywood.

They really have to spend the cap room as it's probably the last time the team will have significant cap space available for awhile since Kevin Durant and perhaps Jeff Green will be extended the following season. If you don't spend it on something it's wasting a resource..

Lefty
Lefty 5pts

@justin
This is interesting, because it's so different from what they've done before. 8-9M really isn't a lot on the free agent market, esp with draft picks coming in at the same time. I'm curious what they'd think they could get on the FA market for that price that would help?

I'm assuming they'll draft a backup 3, based on where we're likely to pick and based on team needs. That means in the summer they'll maybe try to pick up another 5? We've got the 1 and 2 spots pretty solidified now, with RW and Maynor at the 1 and Thabo and Harden at the 2. I suppose it's possible they'll try and get a PF and move Green to a backup role though...

Kev
Kev 5pts

Crow :kev: “he stinks on defense – he is the worst on the team by far – throw in mediocrity at rebounding , and that trumps his shooting”
It is not possible to say he is clearly good on defense (or even at one position, Center) in 72 minutes but I don’t think it is clearcut he is terrible on defense either.
Team defense with him on the court is the best on the team of any active player. Not somehow sneaked to average- best of anyone. Odfd I know, influenced by garbage time context to some degree yes but not terrible. Not even close. Green is tied for worst team defense while on the court.
If his rebounding is mediocre then I note that his offensive rebounding is 75% better per minute than Green and his defensive rebounding is 25% better.
But Green gets to play 37 minutes a game while White gets to play the equivalent of 2.5 minutes per game the team played??
White may be mediocre rebounding and all about shooting but so is Krstic and White is almost the equal on rebounding to him, a far better shooter (so far) and has a significantly better team defense while on the court and far better counterpart data at Center if you give it any consideration.
I don’t expect to convince anybody but I still think he has been tried way too little and that it is harder to justify it for me than others do.

In one of his longest stretches of meaningful action, he was doing so bad Brooks had to pull him from the game - I will be glad to send you the spreadsheet if you want to look at it . . .

maybe he's lazy in practice or something - we don't know . . . but the demotion to the 66ers coupled with his defensive inadequacies in limited time pretty much tells the tale . . .

thunder
thunder 5pts

i like KD's kicks in that pic

justin
justin 5pts

Thought I'd pass this on.. a (fairly reputable) poster on RealGM threw this out there:

"I'm referring to a conversation I had with a representative from the Thunder prior to the start of the Warriors-Wizards game at Oracle Arena on December 18th 2009. We were talking about using the Thunder's anticipated $8-$9 million in cap space to sign a free agent outright next summer and not a trade of players during the season who are under contract now."

It was also stated that the reason the OKC representative was at the game was to 'scout' Brendan Haywood.

ThuDer
ThuDer 5pts

White to me looks like David West without the verical. Can't move laterally and no mean streak. Who will trade for that now. He could develop but not this year barring a injury. Brooks won't go 10 deep and Collison is too effective to sit.

ThuDer
ThuDer 5pts

Who can White guard? If only all teams had a Diaw?

Crow
Crow 5pts

Want Green on the court because he can help score? White scores 30% more per minute. Because of Green's floor game? White gets slightly more assists per minute and 40% less turnovers. What makes Green preferable? His 1 3 pt make a game at 30%FG? I'll take White's almost 70% on jumpers.

Maybe White doesn't deserve big minutes but I fail to see why he isn't getting 8-15 minutes and being given a more decent chance to decide yeah or nay to that level of time or more.

Crow
Crow 5pts

kev: "he stinks on defense – he is the worst on the team by far – throw in mediocrity at rebounding , and that trumps his shooting"

It is not possible to say he is clearly good on defense (or even at one position, Center) in 72 minutes but I don't think it is clearcut he is terrible on defense either.

Team defense with him on the court is the best on the team of any active player. Not somehow sneaked to average- best of anyone. Odfd I know, influenced by garbage time context to some degree yes but not terrible. Not even close. Green is tied for worst team defense while on the court.

If his rebounding is mediocre then I note that his offensive rebounding is 75% better per minute than Green and his defensive rebounding is 25% better.

But Green gets to play 37 minutes a game while White gets to play the equivalent of 2.5 minutes per game the team played??

White may be mediocre rebounding and all about shooting but so is Krstic and White is almost the equal on rebounding to him, a far better shooter (so far) and has a significantly better team defense while on the court and far better counterpart data at Center if you give it any consideration.

I don't expect to convince anybody but I still think he has been tried way too little and that it is harder to justify it for me than others do.

Crow
Crow 5pts

ThuDer :
White with Ibaka= 38 minutes of garbage time. Hard to discern anything from that.

So you either do nothing with it or you try it some more, make the sample bigger and more meaningful and find out more. If you never ever would play Ibaka -White as even a small part of the long-term future then doing nothing is understandable even if closed-minded. If you thought you might play that pair some minutes in the future then I'd check it out more.

Who is he more likely to play together with in 2 years? Collison or Krstic? They've tried Ibaba with Nick 3 times as much. Is Nick going to be there in 2 years? I really doubt it. Is Krstic? I'd say more likely not then yes.

I guess it is most likely going to be with Green or somebody new long-term. I'd check out Ibaka-White some more even if it was just to figure out what to look for in another player to pair with Ibaka long-term or to increase White's trade value.

We'll see if they check it more later in the season

Lefty
Lefty 5pts

@GAP
So classy. ;)

GAP
GAP 5pts

@girlballer
Hahahhahaha...you said hand remedy (pause).

girlballer
girlballer 5pts

@Vince--Christmas is busy times around the girlballer house--but THANK YOU! I do my best blog posting from work (shhhhhhh!)

Vince
Vince 5pts

@girlballer
Please post more often. Thank you.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

How does a 6'3 guy get to the rim more than any of his teammates?

Osano-Whoa
Osano-Whoa 5pts

girlballer :
Trash talk in French, waiting for Thabo to translate from the bench….(still giggling…)

Glad you see the same humor in it I did.

girlballer
girlballer 5pts

We may have seen a bit of the reasons that Brooks will most likely NOT be putting Ibaka into the starting lineup anytime soon. He is still raw, raw, RAW. The play where he was baseline and KD threw a no-look pass right at him, and he had no idea it was coming.... also he was out of position a TON but go saved by his athleticism and arm-reach. Good teams will exploit that all day long! I am not down-playing his magnificence but I agree that it is not time to start shopping Krstic.

Ollie, Watson Atkins may not be the strongest competition in the world, but Maynor is BY FAR the best back-up point guard we have seen. No cringing when he gets the ball, and no cursing at his ill-advised 18-foot jumpers. Just really, really solid. Love. Him.

If they don't name an alley around the Ford Center after Thabo, I am going to have to take spray paint in hand and remedy the situation myself. Seriously.

Trash talk in French, waiting for Thabo to translate from the bench....(still giggling...)

Kev
Kev 5pts

Crow :DJ assigned to Tulsa. If you aren’t going to play him for real, might as well. They’ve never made a case of where or when he fits. You could fit but they just don’t seem interested in doing it. Odd that a team with a fairly weak offense won’t play its best shooter. Whatever.
Mullens might come up for the bench education or to actually play. Ought to try it sometime fairly soon just to give him something to chew on, learn from.

you are way too smart not to know the answer . . .

he stinks on defense - he is the worst on the team by far - throw in mediocrity at rebounding , and that trumps his shhoting - especially since he plays for a defensive coach . . .

girlballer
girlballer 5pts

@Osana-Whoa "That kind of amuses me to, does he know enough English at this point for proper trash talk, or was he using French and waiting for Thabo to translate?"

still snickering about this....;)

ThuDer
ThuDer 5pts

White with Ibaka= 38 minutes of garbage time. Hard to discern anything from that.

Crow
Crow 5pts

82 games estimates and then reports White as very very poor at PF but great at Center. Offense and defense in both cases. But they don't really know where he plays. When he plays with Ibaka they think he is the center. In general do you think that is true or not?

White-Ibaka +18 in just 38 minutes.
Ibaka without White -30 in about 300 minutes.
White without Ibaka still +7 in about 34 minutes.
I'd have tried the pair even more.

Crow
Crow 5pts

DJ assigned to Tulsa. If you aren't going to play him for real, might as well. They've never made a case of where or when he fits. You could fit but they just don't seem interested in doing it. Odd that a team with a fairly weak offense won't play its best shooter. Whatever.

Mullens might come up for the bench education or to actually play. Ought to try it sometime fairly soon just to give him something to chew on, learn from.

grant phillips
grant phillips 5pts

well the double technical with ibaka and jackson

grant phillips
grant phillips 5pts

someone please explain what happened on the two technicals for ibaka

Chas
Chas 5pts

@dylan
Oh yeah? Well, my family now thinks that I'm an enthusiastic environmentalist!

Dan
Dan 5pts

don't know what caused it but Jackson was pissed at him for some reason.

Royce
Royce 5pts

@dylan
I salute you.

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