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Thunder 87, Celts 105

by Joe on December 4, 2009 at 10:26 pm 51 Comments

HappyGilmoreAssKickedSome nights it just ain’t happenin’ folks.

Box Score

It’s hard to know what to say after a game like this. I’m no professional writer. I guess if you go to journalism school they may teach you how to channel your feelings into crisp sentences and tight paragraphs. Me, well, I just start hitting the keys and hope what spills out isn’t too gawd awful.

The picture is appropriate though. The first thing I began to think of after about half of the first quarter was a team getting totally handled; much like we did in the second match up against the Fakers Lakers. I guess it just shows how great that chasm can be between the “okay” or “pretty good” teams and the elite clubs in the NBA.

First the C’s came out and really really lit up the scoreboard in the first. They were 12/19 and 4/5 from deep and dropped 31 on us. In the meantime we were able to only put 20 on the board. It’s not like we weren’t hitting our shots (we were 9/15-60%), it’s just that they were getting all of the offensive boards and hitting threes. The threes wouldn’t fall for us for anything tonight. Time after time we had open looks from deep and they wouldn’t go down. That wasn’t because of superior Celtics defense, the wide open looks didn’t go.

But the Celtics did play very good defense. Very good defense. It wasn’t perfect and it wasn’t always foolproof, but I think at every position from the first guy to the last the Celtics were better at the team defensive concept.

And I have to say: this would have looked like the Celts against a high school team if it wasn’t for Kevin Durant. I’ve seen just about every game Kevin Durant has ever played in the NBA and I don’t really remember feeling that way too many times if ever before. The rest of the team looked horrible offensively tonight. Horrible.

But I don’t want to scold. Some nights we just don’t have it. We aren’t one of those elite teams yet, and there are reasons the Celts are whipping their way through this road trip.

The Thunder did a bit of work getting the game back to a single digit deficit; especially effective was a funky lineup of Westbrook, Harden, Sefolosha, Green and Ibaka, and Sefolosha was guarding Perkins in the post a couple of times and really doing well. That unit pulled the team to within 7 before Doc Rivers put back in his big guns.

The Celts came out in the third and essentially put the thing away dropping 28 to our 16. We could only manage 5/19 shooting in the quarter.

Notes:

  • Without being too hard on the young guys I feel I have to call out a couple. Serge did a lot of good things in the post. He was working his arse off trying to block out Perkins who had him by 50 pounds, but if Serge is only going to get us 2 rebounds in 22 minutes under the basket something has to change. Some quick math tells me that he was in the game for 46% of the minutes, and there were 70 rebounds available during the game, or somewhere around 32 or so available while Serge was in the game. That would be just about 6% of the available rebounds…….Pffft!
  • Same to you Jeff Green. You played 34 minutes and only grabbed 2 boards. A  power forward you say?
  • However, Jeff Green had a really nice slam taking Perkins off the dribble and beating the slow rotation by KG.
  • The Thunder experimented with double teaming KG on the catch in the post, but this team is too good at sharing the rock.
  • The Thunder even showed zone for one possession.
  • If you were watching than you probably know that tonight Durant scored his 4000th point. He is the second youngest player ever to reach that milestone. (The Big Lebronski was the youngest)
  • Did anyone else see Paul Pierce set a screen on James Harden and get knocked on his can for the effort?  Harden is no featherweight. Pierce jumped up and tried to sort of tussle with him on the next play and got called for a foul.
  • Rasheed Wallace is really fat.
  • You know how so much of the talk here on Daily Thunder is about the sort of Jekyll/Hyde play of our young point guard? Guess which one he was tonight? I’ll give you a hint, he was brilliant against rookie phenom Brandon Jennings last Friday…..
  • Does anybody else think that Brian Scalabrine looks like a red haired version of  that guy from “Knocked up”?

scalabrine

seth-rogen

  • I don’t know enough about coaching to know whether or not it’s feasible to have a characteristically slow team like the Thunder do some running or not, but on the few occasions that Wilks and Westbrook pushed the ball after a turn or a defensive rebound, the almost always caught the Celts flat footed. The Celts do not want to run back on defense; they want to walk back and talk smack the whole way.
  • When Etan Thomas came in I was secretly hoping he would just explode and deck somebody in Green.
  • The Celts were dominant on the boards tonight. I was hoping we had learned our lesson from the Houston debacle.
  • Brooks emptied the bench with just over 6 minutes to go. I was watching the end of the benchers play and I kept thinking how really really valuable D.J. White could be to this franchise if he would just rebound aggressively and work at defense a little because he’s got that shooting thing down pat.
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cpt.c-note
cpt.c-note 5pts

My brother and I thought Scalabrine looks like a red haired version of Jackie Moon from Semi-Pro! (Same body-type and "pure" athleticism, but not as funny!)
I'd like to see him and Robert Swift go one-on-one for about 30 seconds! Brutal!!

Crow
Crow 5pts

Mrs. DT,
A streak of 7 is kinda a fitting number and is still quite a lucky streak. For a .500 team it would happen less than 1 in a 100 cases. I guess you'll just have to start a new streak.

Joe
Joe 5pts

K :
Greg Oden goes down for the season tonight. The Blazers were already scuffling and this can’t help.
Could the Thunder actually get the 6 seed? The competition (POR, PHX, NOH, HOU, SAC, LAC) are all about as flawed as our team.

OMG.....Oden down???

K
K 5pts

Greg Oden goes down for the season tonight. The Blazers were already scuffling and this can't help.

Could the Thunder actually get the 6 seed? The competition (POR, PHX, NOH, HOU, SAC, LAC) are all about as flawed as our team.

B-RY
B-RY 5pts

I guess I should be glad I missed this one...

jf
jf 5pts

jeffys dunk gave me a quarter chub

Diane
Diane 5pts

My odds and ends of this game. I felt miserable after the game - I hate losing like this, looking like this. geeeeeeeeeeeez.
I just hate it, I mean just hate it when our shots won't drop against an elite team. It always seems to happen like that. I hate it when Westbrook (or anybody) runs down the court full speed and then can't even get the ball to drop in the basket. For crying out loud, slow down alittle bit - actually most the time no one is that close behind you. We miss too many points like this trying to get on the high light real.
All in all do doubt this game showed The Thunder has a long way to go. I do know that they will get there, I just have to be patient.

KurtisWH
KurtisWH 5pts

@GAP

Every game I've watched, DJ has lit it up when he comes in. The only reason I can see that he wouldn't play is he might not play good enough defense or rebound well enough to get the minutes.

In games like last night, I wish we would have seen more DJ White and Harden early, b/c they seem to have a knack for scoring... everyone but Durant was off, so I thought they should have tried something new.

KurtisWH
KurtisWH 5pts

I got to go for only the 2nd time this year last night. The game was pretty intense, and it was very clear who the better team was.

The only likable person on the Celtics is Ray Allen. What makes them even more unlikable than they already are is the fact that they get so many calls... ridiculous!

I thought the Thunder actually held their own in the 2nd quarter, but it is actually very clear that the Thunder still haven't reached the "good" level. Other than Durant, no one else is a great/good scorer when facing a solid defensive team. Maybe they will become better scorers in time, but I'm not sure. The Celtics have 3 dynamite players with a 4th(Rondo) who is probably on the threshold of elite. I really like Russell Westbrook(and have sent Jim Traber a ton of emails about how wrong he is on Russ), but Rondo is really good and fun to watch. I hate the guy, but he does his job well and might be one of the most underrated players in the league. I'm not sure you can understand how good he is until you see him in person.

GAP
GAP 5pts

I think Green is getting too much rope in the way Brooks lets him disappear and doesn't yank him for the greater good of the team. Like I said earlier in the thread Wilks sucks and shouldn't garner so much playing time when he's being molested like a 4yr old with uncle chester. What's even worse is that when DJ finally gets any minutes it's in a blowout and he almost immediately hits jumpers from everywhere but the 3pt line. Tell me fans, what coach just watches his team get murdered by the refs and doesn't back his team like a coach Brooks!

Brad
Brad 5pts

When Jeff Green isn't hitting the long ball, he seems to be completely useless as of now.

Warren
Warren 5pts

@girlballer
You also have to remember that Boston has 2 or 3 guys on the team from OKC. They in turn have friends and family come out in BIG numbers to support the team. But I do agree with you about us/OKC needing to embrace our guys more as a whole.

Mark
Mark 5pts

@girlballer

This happens in every city when the Lakers or Celtics come to town. Used to happen when MJ was with Chicago, too.

As far as the action on the court...IMO, this may be the start of the move to put Harden in the starting lineup. Sef plays 32 mins and scores 0! Not a free throw, not a cheap putback, nothing. INEXCUSEABLE!!! Sure he plays great defense, but he is an offensive liability. Bring him off the bench to lock down on the opposing player that is hot.

Jeff Green played terribily as well. He is settling for too many jumpshots. He should be able to take KG and especially Scalabrine to the hole once in a while. He did not go to the line once last night. Again...INEXCUSEABLE!!!

chris
chris 5pts

@Mrs. Daily Thunder
You were kind of tempting fate showing up to that game. C's are a tough out.

thunder
thunder 5pts

the dude is absolutely right. the modern day celts are bad boy pistons in green. but i saw a silver lining tonight that KD doesn't back down against nobody. tonight was a game were we were just outmatched and outscored like crazy.nobody had a doubt of the outcome while still in 3rd quarter. it was easy for KD to chill and quit but he didnt he get fighting off screens and wasnt scared off anybody. that should teach a lesson for all other guys on team.

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

Royce :
Not to be one to complain about such a thing, but I thought the officiating was extremely poor tonight. Boston was going to win regardless, but any time KD gets teed, something is amiss. Durant was working REALLY hard without the ball and all Paul Pierce did was grab and hold him. You could tell KD was frustrated.
And Kendrick Perkins is a total goon.

Unfortunately, that's what's become of the Celtics. They're the modern-day Bad Boy Pistons, where dirty play, complaining to the refs, and a complete lack of respect for the competition is the norm. KD was getting man-handled tonight, and he still got 36. Nobody else stepped up, though. Foul trouble cost us Collison for much of the night, forcing Serge to guard KG. I love Serge, but that's like jumping into the deep end with concrete shoes on.

The bottom line is that the Celtics were given much more leeway tonight because that's who the refs think they are--a physical, big, experienced team. We're still working on earning that image, and until we do nights like last night will happen.

@girlballer
This happens in almost any city, though--the Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, and a few other teams have lots of fans around the country. The C's fans were actually pretty classy last night, especially compared to pompous Lakers fans that invade the Ford Center biannually.

girlballer
girlballer 5pts

Well I am going to call out my fellow game attendees last night. I could not BELIEVE all the GREEN in the stands. I know there are a lot of Celtics fans in the world, and OKC should be no different, and by all means, when you plop down your $10-$500/seat you get to wear WHATEVER you want, but STILL people!! I think it just shows how far we all still need to go. I'm not going to nitpick the boys in white and blue on the floor, they tried to hang in there, and KD was on fire from the get-go. His first 3 shots went in so smoothly I predicted he'd get a 40-piece before the night was through (36 but why quibble?) I thought Jeff Green showed a touch of the "nasty" with that dunk in the first quarter too, so I was feeling pretty righteous about mouthing off to the Celtics fans sitting around me, but then they started draining tre's and closing over any path to the bucket, and you all know where it wound up.

Still we can do better as fans, and it can't just be when we are winning. That's really all I have to say about that.

Kev
Kev 5pts

agree with Daniel - after Rondo kept scoring, I was looking over to the scoreers' table to see who was coming in. I thought Livingston shouldve been tried on Rondo - even though I dont think that Livingston can guard ones, we had nothing to lose. Same with Harden. I have my doubts about him guarding point guards - but again, was was the downside???

Daniel
Daniel 5pts

I don't know why Brooks left Wilks in as long as he did in that third quarter when Rondo was running circles around him. As Kev pointed out, 11 easy points. Wilks got burned play after play after play.

It's as if Brooks threw in the towel already. Why not try Livingston or Harden on Rondo and take out Wilks who was clearly overmatched? Bad coaching.

Mrs. Daily Thunder
Mrs. Daily Thunder 5pts

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Perfect record over.

Kev
Kev 5pts

Defensive Disaster

The Thunder’s defensive score total? -6. OUCH. That is the season low (Season average is 28.3. Previous low was +6). If you want to point the finger – then point it squarely at the point guard position. Russell Westbrook and Mike Wilks turned in horrifying performances. Their combined defensive output was -25. Let’s dissect a few of their horror stories.

(1st quarter: Boston is leading 21-12, 5:30 left) We are on offense. Russell passes the ball down to Thabo who kicks it out to Jeff Green. Right now, RW sees Thabo on the baseline. I am trying to read Coach Brooks’ mind on defensive schemes, but there is no way that he wants his two guards under the basket. Westbrook sees Thabo lower than him, but RW stands motionless to await the rebound. Green shoots, the Celtics get the rebound, and Ray Allen is cherry picking. Announcers usually call this out as some sort of cheap move, but if Russ is going to leave our backcourt open, who blames the opponents for this tactic. If you have a DVR, go back and watch how Thabo runs back, and Russell trots.

(3rd quarter: Boston 65-53, 10:00 left) Again, we have the ball. Jeff Green has the ball and shoots a jumper and misses. The ball comes off and the Boston’s Kendrick Perkins is about to grab the rebound. At this exact point Russell decides to advance to try and steal the ball. He should be RETREATING to get back on defense! Perkins grabs the ball, and Rondo is on the run. Perkins passes the ball to Rondo, and Russell is running alongside laterally. This is NOT good defensive position. Rondo gets to the top of the key, makes a slick misdirection move and freezes RW, and gets the ball to KG for an easy dunk. If Russell had gotten back in the first place, this doesn’t happen.

(3rd quarter: Boston 71-55, 6:15 left) Russell’s bad offense affects his defense. On this play, he went in for one of his unorthodox drives and missed badly. Obviously, he’s right under the goal, so Rondo already has a few steps on him. Instead of racing back, RW tried to intercept the outlet pass and he failed. To his credit, he actually turned on the jets for once and got back in the play. This is the first time this season that I have seen him race back on defense. Back to the play. The other OKC players turn back the transition attempt and RW is able to get back to cover Rondo. But wait, there’s more. RW turns his head while on the weakside. Rondo sees this and cuts to the basket. Fortunately for us, Etan covers and shuts down Rondo. But wait, there’s more. Rondo passes to Kevin Garnett who passes up to Ray Allen up top. Rondo is still on the baseline. After Etan stopped Rondo, he went back to Garnett. Westbrook is literally in no man’s land. He makes NO attempt to guard anyone. Allen passes it back down to Rondo for the easy two. Westbrook is totally undisciplined defensively, as there were at least four other mistakes he made in the game. Will Brooks do anything about it???

As bad as Russell was, Mike Wilks was even worse. Wilks entered the game in the second half with less than six minutes remaining in the 3rd. Wilks then did a matador impersonation. He gave up penetration to Rajon Rondo SIX times in five minutes. These mishaps resulted in eleven Celtics points. Rondo scored nine of the points; KG knocked in a jumper as well when Etan Thomas had to leave him to help Wilks. The worst part? Mike Wilks went UNDERNEATH the screen on the pick and roll all six times. You go underneath to cut off the drive. This is good strategy against Rajon because the book on him is that his outside shot is suspect. Still, Rondo got around him anyway. This speaks to Mike’s alarming lack of quickness. Mercifully, Doc took Rondo out at the end of the 3rd quarter. Thankfully, the bloodbath was over.

Thunder Defensive MVP – Thabo Sefolosha (+7)

The defensive play of the game. (Boston 52-41, 3:00 left in the 2nd quarter). Russell has just lost the ball one of his patented one-on-three drives. You have probably seen/read enough here to figure out that he’s already lost to the Thunder in defensive transition. Rondo is freewheeling toward our basket. Thabo races back to get in on the play. He splits Rondo and Ray Allen. Rondo probably thinks that Allen is wide open, so he tries a no look behind the back pass to Ray. Thabo is there to pick it off and give the ball back to the Thunder. It was an excellent play that I rewatched several times.

James Harden (+5)

DJ White (+3)

Kevin Durant (+3)

Nick Collison (+2)

Shaun Livingston (+1)

Jeff Green (zero)

Etan Thomas (-1)

Serge Ibaka (-1)

Russell Westbrook (-9)

Mike Wilks (-16)

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

well we should beat GS on monday, they play no defense, we should be able to score a lot against them.

this game drove me to drinking

Keith
Keith 5pts

It doesn't seem difficult at all to point out exactly where we lost this game. Boston was 39-69 from the floor, we were 32-38. They hit 7 more shots than us. Boston was 9-17 from three, we were 3-17. They hit 6 more threes.

We lost by 18, 3 times 6 (number of threes/shots they hit more than us) is 18. We lost precisely because we couldn't hit the long ball and they could. Take away threes from the equation and this game is a tie.

MartzMimic
MartzMimic 5pts

As I await Kev's comments - can't figure it's going to be good - I have to remind myself that we are an every other night team. So from my perspective, if you were going to have a bad game, it's better to do it against a team you weren't likely to beat anyway.

Thunderfan in CAD
Thunderfan in CAD 5pts

KD played a great game, he could do a bit more on the rebound side. However, he's the only bright one for the team because I think getting 36 points from this Boston team is not easy at all. DJ White did good too, except didn't get a chance to play much. Coach Brooks should at least let the guy play more since Jeff Green was not producing. I found Green has not played that many good games so far in this season. If DJ gain a few more pounds back, I think he could play half of Green's mins. Westbrook was bad imo and there's a reason why he only played 27 mins, he jacked up way too many shots than he should because of his lacking ability to finish, dribbling too long too mcuh and then just went to the basket to get blocked. He could just dribble to the basket, draw the defenders and then pass for open shots to his teammates. It would make him look a lot better, but his actions on the court make him more of a average point guard/combo guard in the NBA. Not worth all the effort for the team to make him the current/future point guard of the team imo. He just doesn't use his brain at all.
A lot of times, I actually think he hate passing the ball to KD. Hate to let KD, the best player and superstar of the team, to have all the spotlight or something. I have seen so many times that Westbrook actually passed the ball to the other guys instead of KD even though he saw KD had a much better position than the others. I mean, if you have a guy like KD that shot about 20 shots a game and make about 46% of them. How would you only get about 7 assists per game? KD almost make 80-90% of those shots all by himself everytime, because the point guard couldn't/wouldn't set him up...???
Think about John Stockton with Karl Malone! John Stockton has the most assits of NBA history, because a lot of them were actually made them happen by Karl Malone the Mailman.
And of course, quite many calls from the refs in this game were really questionable too...

Joe
Joe 5pts

I was going to put the four factors bar chart on here....but it's really just too ugly.

Royce
Royce 5pts

@ProfSearcy
Amen.

GAP
GAP 5pts

I agree!

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@GAP
yeah, id rather play livingston, even if he plays poor defense it has to be better then the dwarf mike wilks

ProfSearcy
ProfSearcy 5pts

This game, and that Lakers debacle, actually made me a bit more aware how much the Thunder have progressed since last season. Everyone is going to have games where they don't have it. How else do you explain the Timberwolves winning in Denver or Phoenix being blown out by the Knicks? This game though reminded me of last years Thunder when we saw games like this a lot where we would give up a huge lead and never be able to get close again. You know what though, with almost a quarter of the season gone we haven't had too many of those.

GAP
GAP 5pts

@Royce
Couldn't have stated it better. I think that's the first time i've ever seen KD get a T in his 3 seasons in the league.

GAP
GAP 5pts

@f5alcon
My point exactly, hopefully we can get some kind of speedy recovery from the other pg's because Wilks is getting abused on the court. I don't see how he's helping the team with the below average game he brings.

Royce
Royce 5pts

Not to be one to complain about such a thing, but I thought the officiating was extremely poor tonight. Boston was going to win regardless, but any time KD gets teed, something is amiss. Durant was working REALLY hard without the ball and all Paul Pierce did was grab and hold him. You could tell KD was frustrated.

And Kendrick Perkins is a total goon.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Joe

yeah i think a lot of people underestimated him, give him another year and he will be a solid center for us

Joe
Joe 5pts

@GAP I saw where he had one good game and then one bad game. Then I think I missed a few. He must be really stomping on it.

Warren
Warren 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
Sorry Jax Traber. lol

GAP
GAP 5pts

@Joe
But he is Joe, he's killing the boards with Tulsa just check his stats.
Now, i'm not saying he's ready for the show, but that's the potential Presti saw in him when we drafted the Brow.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

@Warren

AHHH - get off my brainwave!

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@ joe, mullens in averaging a double double on the season

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Jax Raging Bile Duct :
I don’t see how we win any matchup tonight.
Perkins is better than anyone we have at Center. KG is an easy first ballot hall of famer who still plays at the highest level. Rondo is similar to Westbrook, but just better. There isn’t one aspect of the game where Russell is superior to Rondo. They’re even on shooting ability, and athleticism, but that’s about it. Ray Allen will score, Thabo may not. The Celts are too complete a team to be bothered if Thabo does slow Ray down. Paul Peirce and KD may be a wash, but I have a hard time giving either of them the edge. Paul’s defense is under-rated, and he’s shifty enough that I think he can still get his even with KD playing great defense.
The Celts have too many weapons and too deep a bench for us. Our only hope is that we bring our A game, and they bring a tired B game.

This quote is from the previous thread. I have to pull a Jim Traber and give myself props. Though, I wish it were under different circumstances.

Perkins outplayed our Centers.
KG definitely outplayed Green.
Rondo > Westbrook.
Ray Allen, 11 points. Thabo, 0 points.
Paul and KD were close to a wash. Slight advantage to KD.

We're just not there yet. Maybe in a couple more years, but not now.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

well brooks seems to like wilks better then livingston, so he will play until ollie gets back in a month

Warren
Warren 5pts

Damn, Jax, you beat me.

Warren
Warren 5pts

I actually think Brian Scalabrine looks more like Michael Rapaport. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2422839808/nm0001650

Joe
Joe 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
Nice find Jax, he really does.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

the refs called the game horribly, so it wouldnt have been as bad a loss otherwise, my section was full of boston fans, who i really wanted to yell at/beat up. DJ white is a scoring beast, probably 2nd best behind KD. Westbrooks game wasnt really that bad, he didnt play his usual minutes so less assist chances. plus with us only getting a total of 6 points from the SG position we really have little chance to win.

Joe
Joe 5pts

@GAP
The "unibrow" is double doubling???? No way.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Scalabrine looks like Michael Rappaport.

http://my.lakers.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/michael_rappaport.jpg

GAP
GAP 5pts

Actually 23 and 10 from Mullens

GAP
GAP 5pts

Mike Wilks SUCKS!!! I can't wait for one of our pg's to come back because he's Watson 2.0!

GAP
GAP 5pts

How bout Mullens is averaging a double double, he had 20 and 10 tonight!

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