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Thunder Douse the Heat 98-80

by J.G. Marking on January 16, 2010 at 10:25 pm 92 Comments

The Thunder’s victory over the Heat was incredibly anti-climactic, but thankfully it was kind of boring and stilted in a good way. The major highlights were an argument on the court, a really good shooting night for a few players and, um…the fact that they won? Does that count?

Yes, the game was one those but there were some things that deserve to get some attention so let’s have a look, shall we?

Although they started off a bit slow, the Thunder quickly grabbed this game by the scruff of the neck in the first quarter and took control. Westbrook especially seemed to almost do no wrong in the first frame, managing the game very well and racking up 5 assists. He continued that play in the second quarter and I only counted one shot in the entire first half that was ill-advised (though he would make up for that in the second half). Now if he just hadn’t racked up some silly turnovers and missed some shots in the second half than this would have REALLY been one of those great games for him considering he only played 27 minutes and racked up 11 assists, but hey, nobody’s perfect.

Durant got loads of buckets and also turned the ball over at least three times in the first half (though I’m fine with the scorer listing fewer than that), both are becoming expected from him and that is the good news and the bad news of his All-Star season (a lot of this stems from Durant’s continued efforts to be a playmaker and distributor but that still doesn’t make all those turnovers okay, it just means he has more room for improvement), but I can’t emphasize how well the Thunder executed offensively in the first half up until about the 5 minute mark of the second quarter.

Great spacing, quick ball movement and player’s moving without the ball into open scoring lanes made it easier on Westbrook and Maynor and the offense to the point that this game looked like it would be an early blowout. Harden provided an excellent spark off of the bench and Ibaka, Maynor and Collison continued to bring a solid impact as the Thunder’s underrated second unit.

But like nearly every single game in the NBA, the Heat made a run at the end of the half (someone want to put a hand in Beasley’s face?!) to get the score respectable again and the Thunder went a little cold. So the Thunder went into halftime nursing a 10 point lead, 55-45. And it could have, maybe even should have, been double that.

A lot more of the same in the second half, though there were more miscues in general from Westbrook, Durant and the Thunder as a whole, but you never really got the feeling the Heat were all that interested in even playing the game, let alone competing in it so the turnover aspect is the only real criticism I can levy against the Thunder because it kept the Heat closer than they even should have been.

Most excitement of the night? Jermaine O’Neal yet again deciding to pick a fight with one of the Thunder’s young stars, only this time it was Durant and not Westbrook (maybe next time Green, Harden, Ibaka, heck, the majority of the team can all take their turn and get this over with). I have to say, I love the fact that Durant took umbrage with the forearm that O’Neal gave him (after Durant swatted O’neal’s hand away the play before, but I guess the refs didn’t see that and I’m fine with it) but seriously, I just keep seeing images of twigs being snapped when I think of those two fighting.

By the close of the fourth quarter Westbrook and Wade were sitting comfortably on the bench (soon to be joined by Durant) and there was no question how the game was going to end.  Thunder won 98-80.

When did the Thunder record their 22nd win last year? Try April 10. The 79th game of the season.

- I must re-emphasize how quickly the ball moved on offense for the Thunder during the majority of the first half, it was almost like they were playing hot potato but with the end result being a great shot instead of me being stuck with the ball at the end and everyone laughing. What…that never happened to you?

- Couldn’t help but notice when Westbrook got sat at the end of the first half and I expect it had something to do with a poor decision but I’m not sure. Anyone else have a better vantage point?

- Overall it was a good defensive effort, especially what Harden/Thabo/even Durant did to Wade in the second half, but I have to be blunt and just say that Krstic really showed just how poor post defense can be played in this game and that’s also why he got sat early in the second half for Collison until the game was out of reach. That might also be why Krstic was the ONLY Thunder player not to have a positive +/- at 0.

- 36 points on 14-18 from the field, 5-6 from the stripe and 3-3 from downtown. I mean, I guess that’s a good shooting night from Durant.

- Somehow Jeff Green was kept in the game for 43 minutes…on the back end of a back-to-back…with the game well sewn up at about the 9 minute mark of the fourth quarter. Yeah, I don’t get it either but he did play a solid game (14 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals and 2 blocks). Though to be fair, Beasley abused Green and pretty much anyone else guarding him until the fourth quarter.

- Ibaka’s 8 points and 10 rebounds, Harden’s 14 points and 3 rebounds and Maynor’s 8 points and 2 assists were huge in keeping the Heat at arm’s length

- The Thunder shot 50.7% from the field, 50% from 3 and 80% from the free throw line while the Heat shot 41.5% from the field, 12.5% from 3 and 55% from the stripe…yes, this game should have been a 30-40 point win but a win is a win and this makes 22. Again, April 10th, people!

- Lastly, did Westbrook actually have 7 turnovers? I watched the entire game and I expected 4, maybe 5 but the 7 number surprised me when looking at the box score.

Bring on the Hawks! I really like playing the Eastern Conference.

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morgan
morgan 5pts

Toronto is not that stupid.

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

I know the discussion thread is long since over... but I'm going leave my 2 cent's anyway.

I think Thunder actually played well last night when they decided to play big in the 2nd half. For a fairly long stretch they played Westbrook, Durant, Green, Collison and Ibaka. Durant did a really nice job on Wade during that time, and they managed to quite Beasley just a little better.

Personally, I would like to see a bit more of that from time to time.

Kivman
Kivman 5pts

@geoff
Those are some great picks...especially those in the basket area (Wade and Thabo...Harden...etc.). Thanks for sharing!!!

justin
justin 5pts

@The DON

How would we acquire Carl Landry? He'll be a restricted free agent, Houston will match any offer. They won't trade him. And what makes you think he'll be cheaper than David Lee?

Once again, please enlighten me and provide some examples of starting PF's or C's available in the $10 million price range that offer more to this team than David Lee and could be acquired realistically with our assets. Keep in mind, David Lee could be acquired in the offseason using free agency money, and we would not have to give up any basketball assets to acquire him.

I'll patiently await your reply. :)

GAP
GAP 5pts

@geoff
Great Job!! Maybe a lil less Green and #12 shots and more everyone else. :-)

geoff
geoff 5pts

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32345200@N06/sets/72157623231389240/show/

Little late, but enjoy none the less.

The DON
The DON 5pts

I'll take Carl Landry as my PF way before Lee. And he wold be cheaper too.

^^^there's one example

The DON
The DON 5pts

@justin

you mean to tell me you cannot, without my assistance, conjure up any possibilities at PF for us through trade or free agency outside of Lee in the 10$mil/year range?

justin
justin 5pts

@KingGondo

I suppose Rondo's deal is a good benchmark for Russ.. hopefully you're right.

justin
justin 5pts

@The DON

Such as..?

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@justin
I guess we're not too far apart in our estimates, but I think with RW's attachment to his teammates, the team playing winning basketball, and with the salary cap creeping ever downward, we could lock him up for $10-11 million. Rondo is getting $55 million over 5 years, and he has a much better resume so far than Russ. If Westbrook leads us deep into the playoffs within by next year, we could consider bumping him up into CP3/Deron Williams territory ($13-14 million). But a contract like Rondo's would be perfect, IMO.

But I guess I agree with your essential premise: that KD and Westbrook are the two guys that have warranted discussion as "franchise players" so far. I'm just saying that the prospect of getting Bosh, even at a max contract, is so tantalizing because I think his acquisition makes us immediate contenders, even with the college-age supporting cast. And when you have a reasonable shot to vault yourself into contender status, you have to seriously consider it.

The DON
The DON 5pts

@justin

Lee commands the kind of money we are better off pending elsewhere

justin
justin 5pts

@KingGondo

On his current trajectory, Russell might get close to the max when he's extended. Even if his defense is not very great, he's perceived as an excellent defender due to his colllege reputation. Combine that with his improved floor game, if he even starts to sniff a jump shot, there's no way he's extended for just $10M average.

Kevin Durant will have a deal starting at $14.5M, and Russell maybe around $12M. Chris Bosh will start at $16.5M. Two years down the road, figuring 10% increases, you're looking at close to $50M on the books.

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

justin :
Even if Bosh did re-sign I don’t know that it’s the best course of action. You’d end up with KD/Bosh/Westbrook tying up close to $50M in payroll by 2011-2012.

I think Presti has these guys buying into the team concept big-time so far. Russell has been our co-MVP this year, but Green needs to perform better to get the kind of money he's capable of. We know that both KD and Bosh will command max contracts, but you have to wonder what Russell and Green are worth.

I would be okay with giving Russell $10 million/year (that puts us up to about $40 million between those 3 guys), and I think Green deserves maybe $6-7 million with the way he's performed over his career. Seems reasonable to me, and it still gives us room to tie up Maynor, Collison, Ibaka, and probably Harden for the long term.

justin
justin 5pts

@The DON

Our problems are on offense mainly, not defense. Is David Lee appreciably worse defensively at PF than Jeff Green? I'm not sure. Does he have the size / agility to be better? Definitely.

It's been proven time and again that poor defensive players are usually a product of the system. Two examples I've cited before are Rashard Lewis and Ray Allen. Neither player was ever interested in defense in their Sonics years, but when they went to Orlando and Boston respectively, suddenly they were willing to get into a defensive stance. I believe it's because in both cases the best player (Kevin Garnett and Dwight Howard) played defense; it'd be the same situation here. I don't think we can have any truly poor defenders on this team with Kevin Durant here unless the player is petulant and has a big attitude problem. That's how we are able to get defensive contributions from even a poorly regarded defender like Nenad Krstic.

Remember also, David Lee is playing out of position guarding centers when he should probably be guarding forwards..

The DON
The DON 5pts

From NBA.com's front page just now:

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/art_garcia/01/17/bosh.thunder/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

The DON
The DON 5pts

David Lee may very well be the worst defensive frontcourt player in all of the NBA. He is in the same class as Kristic. No exaggeration.

Pass.

dream catcher
dream catcher 5pts

I love Lee on offense, but im worried his defense would hurt us. Is he quick and agile to run out and stop 3 point shooters like Green? How mobile is he on D, also how strong is he in the post defense?

justin
justin 5pts

I don't know why we don't run Jeff Green on some pick and roll action.. he has good hands and is a decent finisher.

Kivman
Kivman 5pts

@JelloPuddinPup
My 8 year old son and I will be there too...underneath the basket right near the Hawks bench. I'll be wearing my Durant Sonics jersey (would have worn a Zombie Sonics search but they've been consistently out of XL). Hope the Hawks players don't mind (I'm usually cheering for them).

GAP
GAP 5pts

@justin
Selling me on the idea of Lee is working some, but I would rather pay the cost to be the boss and take Bosh. :-)

justin
justin 5pts

Of course not; Lee isn't the same kind of player. He's not a one on one guy, but that's not what we need we have plenty of one on one players. Lee is a finisher. Westbrook / Lee or Maynor / Lee running the pick and roll will be high percentage plays that would really increase our offensive efficiency.

Really any big man that can finish would help us in that respect. Bosh and Al Jefferson both have one on one games that Lee doesn't really have, so that'd help more, but both are more expensive, and Lee is better than Jefferson at some other things (passing, especially).

GAP
GAP 5pts

@justin
Your thinking makes good sense, but do you think that Lee would garner the same attention that Bosh would in our lineup to free up Russ or KD?

justin
justin 5pts

If Bosh is available for trade I can't see us getting him over other teams that have the talent. Toronto would want a big man or a point guard and we don't have those to spare.

justin
justin 5pts

@GAP

I think David Lee could be part of a big three just as easily, cost nearly half as much, and we would have enough to give an MLE sized deal to a center.

I don't think Chris Bosh is worth the amount of money he's going to get.. I want an elite, two way player for $100 million.

I think part of me doesn't like it becuase it just doesn't seem realistic. We won't trade for him without the assurance that he'll be re-signed otherwise you're giving up cheap rookie scale talent for nothing. And we won't get him in the offseason because we won't have the cap space.

morgan
morgan 5pts

watching this vikings game i think we should sign jared allen. i bet that dude could pull down some boards

justin
justin 5pts

Durant would be the clear #2 SF right now if it weren't for all the turnovers.

GAP
GAP 5pts

@justin
I'd take it because most if not all top tier teams have a BIG 3 and it wouldn't hurt to have one also.

justin
justin 5pts

Also KD's TS% is now over .600 and approaching LeBron James territory.

justin
justin 5pts

Even if Bosh did re-sign I don't know that it's the best course of action. You'd end up with KD/Bosh/Westbrook tying up close to $50M in payroll by 2011-2012.

GAP
GAP 5pts

@morgan
Odds look good to me, we've been told for the two seasons we've been in OKC that we have a top tier FO as well as a top tier organization as a whole. We're talking top of the line facilities and fans etc...and throw in the fact that Bosh was quoted as saying he was happy that the allstar game was in Dallas because he's from Dallas, means to me he would like to be close to his hometown of Dallas.

I'm just saying, IF Presti did trade for Bosh, I would think he knows he could retain him for longer than this season only.

justin
justin 5pts

Regarding Nenad Krstic's defense.. our team gives up 1.4 more points per 100 possessions when he is in the game than when he not. This isn't good, but it's not horrible.

morgan
morgan 5pts

GAP :@morgan

If we’re getting Bosh’s bird rights, then he comes here and experiences the wins and the chemistry, he could very well resign with the Thunder.

I understand your point there and if it worked out it would be worth it but I can't see giving away assets on a gamble that he would like it here. the odds don't really seem to be in our favor on that.

morgan
morgan 5pts

Kev :

morgan :@Kev
Rebounding is a pretty valuable part of the game….maybe your system is flawed.

so is offense – but by colum is called Defensive Breakdown . . .

Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't there a thing called defensive rebounding......you don't think "defensive" rebounding should be a factor in a "defensive" breakdown.

The DON
The DON 5pts

All I have to say is, if we don't make playoffs this year it will be one very depressing summer for me. I know making it would be over-achieving and that if we don't make it this year it will be alright, but we are now within striking range of phoenix in the standings and have a realistic chance. I REALLY want to make playoffs this year. BAD.

Kev
Kev 5pts

morgan :@Kev
Rebounding is a pretty valuable part of the game….maybe your system is flawed.

so is offense - but by colum is called Defensive Breakdown . . .

GAP
GAP 5pts

@morgan
If we're getting Bosh's bird rights, then he comes here and experiences the wins and the chemistry, he could very well resign with the Thunder.

Kev
Kev 5pts

Steve H :I’m sorry, but identifying one center as being worse, on a team that barely plays defense as part of its over-all team concept, doesn’t do much to re-assure me about the validity of your +/- defensive rating system. Does Krstic need to be the absolute worst defensive center in the league to be identified as “below average” in your system? Krstic’s pitiful defensive rebounding and shot blocking numbers support my “naked eye” perception of him as being a liability night in, night out on the defensive end. That you routinely describe his performance as something other than terrible in your wrap-ups doesn’t leave me thinking better of his performance, it has me wondering if you are watching the same games I’ve been watching.

again we can agree to disagree . . .

morgan
morgan 5pts

Picking up Bosh before the deadline is not a good decision without a guarantee of a contract extension....that should be obvious. I, and the rest of the world don't see Bosh signing an extension before seeing what he can get and where. I really don't think there are many if any "good" deals that we can make without giving away assets to rent a player for 3 months.i would much rather the team wait pick up what they need through draft and FA in the summer than give away future playoffs runs just to make a shallow run this season.

GAP
GAP 5pts

"I trust that Sam is going to make the right move for this team," Durant said. "Whomever he brings in, I'd be totally happy with. He's done a great job so far."

Now if you ask me, it sounds like KD's eyes has been open now to the thought of getting Bosh, or the like. I just feel like Presti is gonna do what it takes to keep Durant here and if that means getting another STAR player to play along side of him then Presti will oblige.

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

I'm sorry, but identifying one center as being worse, on a team that barely plays defense as part of its over-all team concept, doesn't do much to re-assure me about the validity of your +/- defensive rating system. Does Krstic need to be the absolute worst defensive center in the league to be identified as "below average" in your system? Krstic's pitiful defensive rebounding and shot blocking numbers support my "naked eye" perception of him as being a liability night in, night out on the defensive end. That you routinely describe his performance as something other than terrible in your wrap-ups doesn't leave me thinking better of his performance, it has me wondering if you are watching the same games I've been watching.

morgan
morgan 5pts

Damn i was expecting a fast and venomous attack after that comment

morgan
morgan 5pts

@Kev

Rebounding is a pretty valuable part of the game....maybe your system is flawed.

Kev
Kev 5pts

if I had the man hours to score all the teams, I would . . . If I did I'm fairly confident that the standard deviation or variance between the defensive scores of the big men would be small, definitely smaller than the variance between the defensive scores of the perimeter guys . . .

and my system doesn't count rebounds, it only penalizes blown block outs that lead to a score . . .

Kev
Kev 5pts

I am replying to your statement that Krstic is ridiculously soft - that implies that there is no one worse - Stoudemire is, regardless of his team's style - not only is he worse, he is much worse . . .

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

@Kev
The Sun's are a run and gun squad that places little emphasis of defense. Not sure we are comparing apples with apples there. Let me put it this way- how many starting centers can you name that grab fewer rebounds per game or block fewer shots than Krstic?

GAP
GAP 5pts

Give up a link on the Bosh talk!

Kev
Kev 5pts

justin :This immediately disqualifies that Chris Bosh article from being taken seriously:
“Would a deal of, say, ever-improving third-year forward Jeff Green, a pair of No. 1s and another youngster with potential, Serge Ibaka or D.J. White, interest Toronto?”
Where does Jeff Green play on Toronto..? ‘Ever-improving’? Ugh.

agreed . . . he defintely wouldnt start over Hedo . . .

justin
justin 5pts

This immediately disqualifies that Chris Bosh article from being taken seriously:

"Would a deal of, say, ever-improving third-year forward Jeff Green, a pair of No. 1s and another youngster with potential, Serge Ibaka or D.J. White, interest Toronto?"

Where does Jeff Green play on Toronto..? 'Ever-improving'? Ugh.

Kev
Kev 5pts

so Justin, if you were GM, would you grab Lee or Jefferson??

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