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Friday Bolts – 4.22.10

by Royce Young on April 23, 2010 at 10:06 am 128 Comments

Chris Tomasson of Fanhouse: ”Michael Jordan once didn’t feel appreciated for his defense. So he decided to go out and win Defensive Player of the Year in 1987-88. We’re not putting Kevin Durant in Jordan’s category yet. He’s nine scoring titles behind him. But if Durant ever ends up even in the same zip code with Jordan when it comes to being a fantastic all-around player, Thursday night was a good start.”

J.A. Adande: ”These are the moments we wait for in sports, why we wade through protracted contract negotiations and lockout talk and super-long television timeouts. All of a sudden none of that matters and the only thing filling your field of vision is Russell Westbrook soaring for a dunk over Lamar Odom, followed by an otherworldly noise filling your ears. “That was the loudest I’ve ever heard a crowd,” the Thunder’s James Harden said. The decibel levels got jacked up even higher when Harden hit a 3-pointer, then Kevin Durant followed that with another 3 and the Oklahoma City Thunder, after playing from behind all night, had finally tied the score against the Lakers.”

Chris Mannix of SI: “Big players make big plays. And Kevin Durant made a lot of them With the Lakers feeding Durant a steady diet of Ron Artest and Kobe Bryant, who bumped Durant on the perimeter and funneled him towards the big men on the baseline, Durant struggled to develop a rhythm offensively, finishing 8-for-24. But he compensated by ripping down 19 rebounds, fighting his way to the free throw line a game-high 13 times and locking down Bryant defensively in the fourth quarter. The Lakers swarming defense may keep Durant’s field goal percentage down for the rest of the series but his ability to make the kind of plays he did in Game 3 are invaluable assets.”

Berry Tramel: ”The crowd was bathed in blue, with Thunder shirts supplied to all 18,342 revelers. They came early, chanted “Beat LA! Beat LA!” 15 minutes before tipoff and worked themselves into a frenzy as Rumble dropped from the sky. Think OU-Tech football in that jumparound game. Think Gallagher-Iba after Big Country’s half-court shot. Think high noon 121 years ago to the day. Put a roof on the Land Run and you’ve got an idea of the Ford Center atmosphere Thursday night.”

Classy stuff from Darius of FB&G: “A lot will be made of the free throw discrepancy in this game and many will be quick to place some of the blame for the Lakers’ loss on the refereeing. Personally, I’ve always felt the same way that Kurt did when it came to the refs and whether or not they decided a game – if you allow a game to be close enough for the refs to be an impact, you live with the consequences. The Lakers led this game 10-0 at the beginning and had leads of 8-10 points at several different points of the game. The fact that the Thunder were shooting more FT’s didn’t matter then and shouldn’t matter because the discrepancy held up at the end of the game. The Lakers had plenty of chances to win this game and they didn’t. Instead, the Thunder fought, made a run, kept the game close, and then finished off the Lakers at the end. They earned this win and the refs had little to do with that.”

Mike Bresnahan of the LA Times: ”An entire arena bore down on the Lakers, if not an entire state, the noise and the jubilation making it easy to fathom what happened in a second half that changed a series. Kobe Bryant faded, Kevin Durant elevated and the Oklahoma City Thunder had the most important victory of its brief two-year existence, 101-96, moving within 2-1 of the Lakers in a first-round playoff series.”

Email from J.G. after the game: ”BEST. GAME. EVER. That was the loudest crowd I’ve ever been in…and I’m including Gallagher-Iba during Bedlam, which didn’t even compare to the Thunderdome tonight. Did you see TNT’s segment that said the Ford Center set a record for highest recorded decibel at 109 tonight? We were a part of that man! FANTASTIC!”

A Q&A with David Stern: “It’s really quite extraordinary to see what has happened here. The (city officials’) support for the team. The economic support for the team. And the fan support for the team… We’ve spent a lot of time over the years to try and have a league where market size is not the differentiator in respect to competitiveness. It’s great to see the Thunder succeeding both on and off the court. It’s an interesting and growing and strategically motivated city. I’m pleased that the team and the NBA are sort of justifying the faith we had.”

Mrs. DT was obsessed with getting a picture of the awesome beard guys. So she went down and got one.

David Stern wants coaches to shut up: “I wish I had it to do all over again, and starting 20 years ago, I’d be suspending Phil and Pat Riley for all the games they play in the media, because you guys know that our referees go out there and they knock themselves out and do the best job they can. We have coaches who will do whatever it takes to try to work them publicly,” Stern said. “What that does is erode fan confidence, and then we get some of the situations that we have. So, our coaches should be quiet because this is a good business that makes them good livings and supports a lot of families, and if they don’t like, they should go get a job someplace else.”

It may not be there when you go, but on the front page of ESPN.com, the Ford Center is dubbed, “The NBA’s loudest arena.”

Video of the incredible tribute video before the game. I can’t watch again. It’ll get a little dusty.

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Crow
Crow 5pts

Because they design systems, teach skills, and call plays and do their best to manage and control things, I think coaches may tend to expect lineups to generally perform in a similar range with of course some difference in results based on talent level on the floor. To suggest that lineups have wildly different and enduring performance tendencies suggests that guidance is not uniform in impact and may not be as strong as player talent and player-player interaction. Coaches are powerful... but other things are too. Control what you can and ride what player and lineup waves you can.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Although the starting lineup does far less well against playoff level teams, I probably should have also looked at how it fares against just starting units of playoff teams. Unfortunately I am ready to do something else right now.

But I will say on a semi-related point, that of the 90 or so lineups that starting unit faced over 4 minutes during the regular season they did well or really well against about 40, near neutral against only about 10 and poorly or really poorly against about 40. On the surface that does not appear to be a normal distribution. Which might argue for alternating the intensity of usage of the starting lineup depending on the match-up and what the sample data shows or what you feel about how it looked or both. There might be lineup types they do well or poorly against. The more you dig, the more you can know. But I am passing on it for the moment. Anyways that's Presti & Co.'s job.

Crow
Crow 5pts

To be clear the 5 lineups that I said were looking good in the small playoff sample were also good in the regular season and I would lean toward using them based first on the regular season data and the developing consistency in the playoffs, albeit in small samples.

Crow
Crow 5pts

How much were the 5 lineups that I said were looking good in the small playoff sample used in each game?

Game 1 loss- used about 17.5 minutes
Game 2 loss- used about 11.5 minutes
Game 3 win- used 21 minutes (the most so far)

Will see if that game 3 increase continues intentionally or was random.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Green did worse than average in the regular season against the Lakers, Ibaka better, Collison worse personally. Westbrook a bit better. Durant significantly down compared to his average. Harden down a bit. Maynor worse. A lot of things stayed consistent in the very small sample data in the playoffs so far compared to that small sample regular season data.

Thabo was better in the regular season and that maybe the clearest change playoffs compared to the regular season.

Crow
Crow 5pts

f5alcon, the stats agree with you on Krstic regular season against the Lakers and Jazz. His stats don't look good against the Nuggets.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Lakers are using their starting lineup over 20 minutes a game... but they have the positive feedback of it winning its playoff time at a rate of about 17 pts per 48 minutes on raw +/-. The other Laker lineups in aggregate are heavily negative.

The Lakers' starting lineup was strong in the regular season too, they are just using it, appropriately, about 2 1/2 times as much. The other lineups were mildly positive in the regular season but have quite negative so far in this series.

Lakers increased usage of their better alternative and it was wise to do so. So far the Thunder have kept their proportion of starting lineup vs the rest about the same.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

krstic doesnt matchup well against LA, when we come back and win the series and play utah/denver he should do better.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Put 3 of these four guys on the court at the same time and in general you probably have a pretty good shot at good results.

Put all four out there and they went +14 in 33 minutes so far, the 3rd best of any 4 man quad. Small sample data...but other things would make me feel ok with this too.

The best quad so far had 3 of these and Thabo and not Ibaka, and the second best had Thabo and Green and not Ibaka or Collison. Unless you found a reason not to I'd probably try to increase the use of these 3 quads and a few others in the right places. The 5th guy is another coaching option for customization.

Of the top 8 performing quads they averaged having 2.75 of Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka and Collison. If you want to look at it that way.

Crow
Crow 5pts

The best pairs? Not that anybody asked, but among those used for bigger minutes they include

Collison-Westbrook
Collison-Durant
Durant-Ibaka
Collison-Ibaka
Westbrook-Ibaka

Crow
Crow 5pts

Small sample, but Collison and Ibaka place in the top 50 on raw team +/- in the playoffs, the only ones to do so. For the Lakers it is Bynum and Gasol (and Walton).

Crow
Crow 5pts

Krstic is -28 for the series so far, -24 in 53 minutes with Green , -4 in 9 minutes without. Looks like about the same rate of negative with and without.

His playoff PER was very high til game 3.

It is all small sample but that is the reality you, I, the coach and the organization have to try to deal with.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Trying to evaluate fairly, I see that of the 5 main substitute lineups that are positive so far in the playoffs unfortunately only one had all 5 guys available last season to provide a second year of small-sized data.

It sucked then but was positive this season. So lineups and lineup Adjusted +/- estimates can vary in performance and the season over season change is some uncertain combination of noise and improvement, as it was also for the starters, though there appears likely to be better alternatives for time.

The more data you can gather in the regular season on key lineups that you use in the playoffs the better. It still ends up guesswork but you can guess with or against the grain. I wouldn't always guess with the grain as match-ups and game situations certainly matter but I'd lean toward guessing with the grain unless really compelled by the other information and gut feeling.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Crow
I'll take what I can get. I was furious at the the beginning of the third when the Lakers quickly built their lead back to 11 with Krstic on the floor. But the fact is, he's not playing very many minutes. His 22mpg was 31st among all centers in the league, and he's playing even less than that this series, behind 13 other centers in the postseason. Hopefully his 16 min yesterday will start a trend...

Crow
Crow 5pts

If "2 year APM is useful" it should be noted that the starting lineup sucked badly in 08-09. Now I don't specifically have 2 season APM in one data-run, but simply put the results of the two seasons together and it would be appear quite negative.

Crow
Crow 5pts

I appreciate your balanced consideration and assessment and couterpoint Sammy.

Note that I didn't go so far as to call directly for a change in the starting lineup where the Krstic/Green front court tandem is a significant factor. I just called for greater minutes restraint, or at least greater restraint unless / until a specific game-section performance shows different results.

But if they want to use it 15-20 minutes a game, they will.

Crow
Crow 5pts

By the regular season data playing the starters say 9 minutes a game instead of 15 and giving that time to average for Durant-led lineups would have an expected yield of about a point per game. Doesn't sound like a lot but they have been close games and 1 pt would affect end of game strategy and as a result at least some chance of changing results.

By the average playoff data instead, the difference in actual performance so far has been so great that just this simple adjustment might have been worth 3-4 pts per game- if (yes if) the substitute lineups continued to perform at the same level as their playoff Adjusted +/- estimate. Game 2 could have turned on that. Game 1 would have been tighter and more up for grabs. Can't say for sure of course. No what if untested scenario ever can be proved or disproven.

They largely stayed with what they had been doing, perhaps feeling they were satisfied with it and had "no reason" to change. I didn't see it that way. That is not news, but, for what it is worth, I felt like putting out the detail.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Sammy
Oh god, post fail. Just read everything up to the point I start repeating myself.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Crow
I agree that the Krstic/Green front court tandem is a failure with glaring weaknesses – ones that play right into the Laker's strengths – but Brooks has been stubborn about the starting lineup all season so I don't expect that to change now. FWIW, I don't think it's a coincidence that we've had 3 awful first quarters in a row, even if other factors are at play, such as skittishness or Ron Artest.

My larger point, though, is that in a playoff series with such specific matchups and so many variables, it seems like folly to make any sort of decisions based on the +/- over three games. The simple fact is that if Harden stays aggressive like he was in the last game, you can throw his 3 game +/- out the window. If Green gets aggressive and starts spacing the floor with 40% 3p shooting, he has more value on the floor than off of it. If it's Ibaka and Collison are the reason the Laker guards can't make an entry pass to their twin towers, you try to keep them on the floor as much as possible. @Crow
Green's 2-year APM doesn't surprise me considering he was basically the same player this year that he was last year. I agree that the Krstic/Green front court tandem is a failure with glaring weaknesses – ones that play right into the Laker's strengths – but Brooks has been stubborn about the starting lineup all season so I don't expect that to change now. I don't think it's a coincidence that we've had 3 awful first quarters in a row, even if other factors are at play, such as skittishness or Ron Artest.

My larger point, though, is that in a playoff series with such specific matchups and so many variables, it seems like folly to make any sort of decisions based on the +/- over three games. The simple fact is that if Harden stays aggressive like he was in the last game, you can throw his 3 game +/- out the window. If Green gets aggressive and starts spacing the floor with 40% 3p shooting, he has more value on the floor than off of it.

2 year APM is useful; a three game sample is not. If Ichiro has three errors and goes hitless for a week, you don't stick him at DH and move him down to the eight hole.

Crow
Crow 5pts

In the regular season the starting lineup, against the mix of good, average and bad teams, did indeed win by 2-3 pts per 48 minutes. They might have based their decision to use it so much on that broad average. But against playoff strength teams it was much different and less favorable.

The non-starting lineups with Durant in the regular season won by an average of around 9 pts per 48. I haven't calculated the regular season performance of these lineups against just playoff level teams but it likely better. It has been so far in the actual playoffs.

Crow
Crow 5pts

The original comparison of the starting lineup vs the rest of course included all non-Durant lineups in the rest. Separate out just the lineups with Durant beyond the starting lineup and they do even far better.

Crow
Crow 5pts

When small sample playoff data closely parallels the regular season data would you listen to it or go against it?

Brooks played the starting lineup around 19 minutes game 1, 15 game 2, 16 game 3.

I said I would have kept it below 10 minutes a game. We'll see what he does from here and how the starting lineup does.

Crow
Crow 5pts

I am generally for keeping an open-mind but...

Of the 15 lineups used by anyonemore than 20 minutes in the playoffs, guess which one has the worst raw team+/-?

Bingo, the Thunder starting lineup. By Adjusted +/- it was second worst.

What did the regular season data say for lineups used over 5 minutes a game? Well it said the Thunder starting lineup
was the second weakest on raw +/- and 5th weak of 16 on Adjusted +/-.

Again basically the same story. Use it some, ok; use it as much as they do... could be the difference between winning and losing the series.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Vince
knicks have $10 tickets so do the lakers, lakers upper deck seating is cheaper then the ford center $27 vs $30. Also the losses they take are tax write offs on profits from other things. Now i dunno if we will spend the money, but we certainly are capable of it.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Yes multi-year is one way to make the results more accurate.

By 2 season Adjusted +/- at basketballvalue the message on Green is very consistent to the 1 year and playoff data. The playoff PER so far of this high draft is a bit above 6. Not 16, 6.

2 season Adjusted says Thabo has a neutral impact instead of strongly negative.

Harden and Ibaka have better ratings under a 2 season dataset but they didn't play last season so that is not ideal situation.

2 season Adjusted likes Krstic a little better but his impact is still estimated as slightly negative. Maybe he slipped a little. Or not.

Yes there is noise and error. These ratings are not exact and need to be used with caution but as I said before I'd rather go with them than against- unless you had a really good reason- like the coach's own eye, but these adjustments and their results are fair to evaluate then. Brooks faith in the starting lineup and some of these players has so far been not rewarded more than rewarded but there is game 4 and 5 and maybe more still to come for that to change (or not).

dream catcher
dream catcher 5pts

Sammy :@Crow

Or you can trust your eyes while keeping an open mind about rotations and lineups and coming to decisions based on observation. Harden has terrible overall +/- numbers for the first two games but was in the positive last night. Should Brooks really be making decisions based on those combo numbers you posted, or should he recognize that Harden helps the team when he is being aggressive and attacking the basket and gameplan according to that instead?

you don't make decisions solely on #'s, but its definitely part of the equation. There is a reason most of the playoff teams have advanced stats guys.

Royce Young
Royce Young 5pts

Eric :Anyone know who the guy in the leather outfit between the scores table and the lakers bench was last night? I could not figure it out

His name is James Goldstein. I actually met him at All-Star Weekend. Really nice guy, though I must admit, weird.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

"First, because they are estimates calculated using a complex statistical model, such ratings tend to be somewhat “noisy” with substantial estimation error unless a very large sample of games is used. In practice, even a full NBA season does not provide an adequate sample size to fully eliminate this issue. The use of only half a season’s worth of data exacerbates the problem, as indicated by the relatively high standard errors presented below. Additionally, the estimates suffer from the issue of skewed sampling – the fact that most players usually find themselves on the court in the company of certain teammates and not others. As a result, it can be difficult to accurately tease out the individual effects of two players who almost always appear on the court together. Rosenbaum and others have outlined different ways of addressing these issues, most notably using multiple years’ worth of data and augmenting regression results with additional analyses based on box score statistics."

From an 82games article a couple years ago.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Crow
Isn't it pretty well accepted that adjusted +/- needs at least a two year sample to be considered useful?

Crow
Crow 5pts

The five that I mentioned to be caution about- Thabo, Green, Krstic, Ibaka or Harden? The entire regular season had them as negative on Adjusted +/- coincidentally (or not) just as the playoff Adjusted does. Harden the least of the 5 and barely negative so maybe he is less an issue and was likely to rebound from really off.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@justin
To Brooks' credit, though, Harden played 32 min last night to Thabo's 19. I wouldn't mind more of a 36/15 split, but at least Brooks wasn't stubborn about playing Thabo 26 min a game.

Crow
Crow 5pts

The five main positive lineups in the small sample playoff run so far? Well they were all positive in their small sample regular season use too. The current lineup is doing right about at their average for western playoff teams if you look at Adjusted +/-. Of course you can't rigidly count on that but it is a pretty uniform coincidence and I'd rather guess with this than against it.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Crow
Or you can trust your eyes while keeping an open mind about rotations and lineups and coming to decisions based on observation. Harden has terrible overall +/- numbers for the first two games but was in the positive last night. Should Brooks really be making decisions based on those combo numbers you posted, or should he recognize that Harden helps the team when he is being aggressive and attacking the basket and gameplan according to that instead?

justin
justin 5pts

Sammy :@justinThabo’s D on Bryant has been superb, but there’s no way he can match the value of an aggressive, attacking Harden on the floor.

Exactly.. and I'm not sure how worse Harden is on Bryant if Kobe's just content shooting jump shots.

Vince
Vince 5pts

f5alcon :@Vince

Our ownership group is worth about 2 billion combined, we can afford anything if they value winning over profit. Plus we have good attendance, small market doesnt really hurt us

It's not a matter of "profit", it's a matter of how much they're willing to lose. And "small market" absolutely matters, because:

a) our attendance is good, but our gate will be lower than most. (Tell people in Chicago, Boston, NYC, LA, etc. that tickets cost $10 and see their reaction).
b) our local TV ratings are still horrible, so our local TV deal is probably one of the worst in the league in terms of revenue.

They might be worth $2 billion, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll tolerate losing $20M a year for 4-5 years, which would be possible if we were paying the tax. That's a lot of money, no matter what you're worth.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@justin
Thabo's D on Bryant has been superb, but there's no way he can match the value of an aggressive, attacking Harden on the floor.

Crow
Crow 5pts

3 games is of course a small sample, but either you use +/- analysis to help shape lineup strategy using the playoff sample you've got and the regular season (especially against western playoff level teams and the Lakers in particular)- or you end up strategizing "against" or "in spite of" what it suggests. Use vs ignore... to each then own opinion...their choice...

william
william 5pts

last week my soccer tottenham is underdog when they play big4 team like ManU ,Arsenal ,Chelsea .everyones said spur will lost Arsenal and chelsea last week but bang!! bang!! my soccer team with both of them!!!

Today who will think OKC will win LA?? but they did it...if next game .we win again you will see LA will get pressure and scare this young team...this weekend if OKC and my soccer team win i will be a happy man in this world !!!!IN Scott brooke we TRUST!!!

justin
justin 5pts

I think the eye test passes for some basic conclusions.. we perform much better with Jeff Green not at PF (especially when LAL has Bynum and Gasol in together). Russell Westbrook is the driving force of our offense.

I think Collison's mobility is better than Krstic's size in most cases, but Krstic's size might be better against Andrew Bynum. It wasn't to start the game last night but overall I think he's done a good job there.

I'm not sure how much Thabo Sefolosha helps us on Kobe Bryant.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Vince
Our ownership group is worth about 2 billion combined, we can afford anything if they value winning over profit. Plus we have good attendance, small market doesnt really hurt us

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Crow
The other thing... I hope you realize your sample sizes are so small as to be essentially meaningless. Research can prove a lot of things, but quantification is useless with so much noise in the data. For example, who were the Lakers on the floor? How many high percentage shots did the Lakers take? How many did they miss? What about the Thunder? To strategize based on +/- analysis after 3 games is absurd.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Playoffs so far

Player Min PER TS%
Russ Westbrook 36.3 27.2 0.63
Nenad Krstic 20.7 16.7 0.60
James Harden 19.3 11.8 0.58
Serge Ibaka 25.7 12.4 0.58
ThaboSefolosha 23.3 7.1 0.40
Kevin Durant 41.3 18.4 0.49
Jeff Green 37.0 6.3 0.44
Nick Collison 24.3 3.1 0.37
Eric Maynor 11.7 4.6 0.34

Crow
Crow 5pts

Yes Sammy the minute distribution was pretty good last night, better than normal and a key in the win.

Game 2 was winnable (and was almost certainly necessary to win the series) if they had adjusted strategy then rather than halfway thru game 3.

william
william 5pts

i want brook dare to take Ibaka on start in this series he play very well against LA in regular and post season !!! Jeff green should be on bench to be six man.it will be worth it. if we want to beat LA ..

i love Ibaka he have personality he can be Josh smith type let's he play just one year and give him 30minute!!!..he can 2-3 block/game and take double double every night .he better than Okafor get10mil .if next summer .we have to pay green more than 8mil of their agency need it?? How about Ibaka will get??.i think Ibaka have more valueable than green in this team.
Green is very good for us when we need play off like this year but next year if we need to be on top of Western Con. green not big enough.if we have to pay green around 10mil . i think.we have to take someone like David lee he is cheaper than boss but better than green just 10-12mil i think he will be here .. he not good defensive but he can provide 20 point per game 10rebound??OKC need some help for KD or RW when they play bad some game and keep kristic for his back up...

if this end of season get ONLY LEE i think he is our last jigzaw to win western conference!!!! i wish to see presti draft gordon hatward and larry sander for back up on bench ...and with maynor they have good chemisty and very good for our bench aswell

how to be on top ??
*** Harden next year i wish he will get 30minute he can be our big3 with our 2 MVP (KD,RW)??

*** IBAKA with LEE is mix and match both of them good rebounder and protect the RIM ??

*** Colinson and Kristic and Maynor (plus my dream sander and harward)very good back up on bench .every team will be jelious us ??

i'm so jelious neworlean get lottery pick with darren collinson and marcus thornton ooh MAN it best pick last season!!!

justin
justin 5pts

@Mark!

Lamar Odom is a 6'10" point guard. He has a much better handle and court vision than KD.

Crow
Crow 5pts

In general the playoff numbers show that having 3 of Thabo, Green, Krstic, Ibaka or Harden on the court at the same time is too much and will usually lead to negative team +/-, as it does for the starting lineup.

Research shows that all 5 of the best performing lineups kept the quantity of these guys on the court to 2. But what does research know...

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Vince
Who says we're not enjoying the team?

Vince
Vince 5pts

Can't we just enjoy this team for 24 hours?

And re Bosh, you can make the cap math work but from a financial perspective, can a small-market team really pay two max contracts, not even getting to Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka, who will need to be extended? It seems doubtful.

It's also worth pointing out what a huge win last night was in terms of solidifying the team locally. The people in Oklahoma who are vaguely aware we even have a team are going to see the paper or hear around town that we beat the LAKERS. That's a big deal -- it gets attention. HOLY @#$@# we beat the Lakers in the playoffs. Just wanted to say it again.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Crow
Krstic played 16 minutes last night. Thabo played 19. Green, Ibaka and Collison each played ~28. Harden played 32. The minute distribution last night was perfect, I thought.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Mark!
Transcendent hypothetical Odom was basically Lebron James. Do I think Durant can be Lebron James? Honestly, no.

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