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Los Angeles stomps OKC 111-87 to take a 3-2 series lead

by Royce Young on April 28, 2010 at 12:19 am 112 Comments

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It’s a seven game series.

Kevin Durant has said it multiple times. And it’s best you keep that in mind. Especially after Game 5. Because boy, that was not fun.

It was just a spanking. A total butt-kicking. It was ugly from the start and stayed ugly for pretty much the entire 48. But it only counts as one loss. We knew that Oklahoma City would have to win one game in Los Angeles if the Thunder wanted to take this series. Obviously, this wasn’t the one.

So what happened? What went wrong? Why did OKC just get its doors blown off? I think you could point to a number of things. The Thunder didn’t play like themselves at all. They didn’t run. They didn’t play loose. They forced shots. They played too much one-on-one. They didn’t make adjustments while the Lakers did. They missed good looks. The Lakers didn’t. They didn’t defend. Should I keep going?

But credit the Lakers for a lot of that. Much has been made of OKC’s transition game, but LA made a key move tonight. Instead of crashing the offense glass, on most shots the Lakers dropped four men back on the release. And obviously the big change of putting Kobe on Russell Westbrook. I can already see the universe flipping its collective crap over this, but here’s reality: Kobe didn’t do anything special on Westbrook. Russ missed shots he was making in the other four games, and didn’t play with any confidence or swagger. What we Thunder fans know is that this was to be expected from Westbrook. He’s been excellent all season, but at times has been inconsistent.

But here’s what switching Kobe did accomplish: The Lakers weren’t spoiling his excellent defense on Thabo Sefolosha, who as we all know, isn’t the world’s best offensive player. So while Kobe wasn’t doing anything overwhelming on Westbrook, it improved the overall team defense. The Lakers were able to rotate better, funnel Westbrook away from the rim a little and basically cancel out a liability in Fisher with Thabo. What’s odd, is that it took LA five games to make this adjustment.

Notes:

  • You could see the problems coming early on in this one. OKC wasn’t the aggressor and wasn’t attacking. Instead of the Thunder putting the Lakers on their heels, it was the opposite. Scott Brooks talks a lot about hitting first and not only did LA hit first, they hit second, third and fourth.
  • Remember this about the Thunder: They are young. I know you know that, but I feel like everyone has to be reminded. Keep it all in perspective, y’know?
  • OKC didn’t score until four minutes in, started 0-12 from the floor and its first field goal came over six minutes in. Other than Game 4, LA has dominated the first quarter.
  • I’m not really for messing with things that got you somewhere, but I’m ready to pull the plug on Nenad Krstic starting. Other than Game 4, OKC has been plowed early in each game and a lot of that is because LA was able to dominate the paint in the first four minutes. I like Krstic, but let’s face it. Unless he’s hitting his little jumper, he doesn’t have a ton of value against the Lakers’ towers.
  • Just seven fast break points for OKC. Meanwhile, LA went inside, scoring 58 points in the paint.
  • One other thing about OKC’s lack of a running game: It’s hard to run when there’s not a rebound to grab. When the Lakers are shooting almost 60 percent, it’s hard to get out in transition.
  • It’s funny how up and down a playoff series can be. One night we’re riding high, feeling like world-beaters and talking about how we can beat ANYONE. The next, we’re left questioning our existence, talking about roster changes and calling out coaching. You can tell we’re new at this.
  • Hey, Serge Ibaka was kind of impressive tonight. 12 points on 6-11 shooting and nine boards. His mid-range game is coming along nicely. So that’s one positive in this sea of sadness.
  • My losing the tip theory failed me tonight. OKC lost the tip and the game. That makes the Thunder 2-1 in this series when losing the tip.
  • Kind of eerie how similar the score was tonight to Game 4′s blowout? But Game 4 was much closer than this. OKC wasn’t competitive really at all in this one. LA was within striking distance in Game 4 until mid-way through the third.
  • Again, yes, Westbrook went 4-13. And while Kobe deserves some credit for that, it’s not like he forced Russ into it. A good example would be right before the half when Russ beat everyone and just blew a layup at the rim. Doug Collins raved about Kobe’s defense all night, highlighting one possession where he got back and stopped Westbrook in transition. The reality was, Westbrook pulled the ball out because he was going one on four, not because Kobe stopped him.
  • Early on, OKC wasn’t getting the whistle and you could see it affected them. The Thunder started griping a bit and lost some focus. Everyone knew the whistle would tilt toward LA (I still wish I knew why this happens) but OKC was going to have to press through it. They didn’t do a very good job of it.
  • OKC lost this game in the first three minutes. LA set the tone, the tempo and the everything for this game. We know things will be different (hopefully) in Game 6 in OKC. But we can’t just assume the Thunder will win in Loud City. They’ve got to get back to their game and what worked. If they don’t, they won’t win, despite the incredible homecourt advantage.

This series isn’t over. The Lakers have the advantage because they don’t have to win inside the Thunderdome, while OKC would have to steal one on the road. But I still see this going seven and in a Game 7, anything can happen. OKC might finally learn something and correct some mistakes. They might figure out how to squeak one out. But they probably won’t. And that’s alright. I think when we’re all able to separate ourselves from the emotions and frustrations of this postseason everyone will realize just how amazing this season has been. It’s easy to get wrapped up in the Right Now, but once we all step back, we’ll see that this was the biggest step in the right direction we could have hoped for. I’m writing this paragraph as if OKC will lose this series, but my point is, win or lose, this has just been the best thing ever for all parties involved.

Tonight’s game went about as poorly as possible. It was a major downer, especially after we all got our hopes up a little. But it’s not over. Remember, it’s a seven game series.

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kev
kev 5pts

Dean :Kev : strictly by hand – I look at each possession . . .
I am very impressed by the effort put in to educate us lazier mortals (i mean seriously, i love this stuff). Daily Thunder is lucky to have you posting this analysis here.

I appreciate the kudos!

Dean
Dean 5pts

Kev : strictly by hand – I look at each possession . . .

I am very impressed by the effort put in to educate us lazier mortals (i mean seriously, i love this stuff). Daily Thunder is lucky to have you posting this analysis here.

Kev
Kev 5pts

actually "by hand" means I use a spreadsheet . . .

Kev
Kev 5pts

Dean :Kev,
This is the first time I am looking at your defensive breakdown (Truehoop highlighted on their blog). Do you compile the data for defensive +/- by hand or do you use an available data source (sorry if you have answered this question many times before)? Any suggestions on where to find defensive +/- data for games?

strictly by hand - I look at each possession . . .

it's beetter explained here . . .

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2010/3/16/1375989/kevs-defensive-breakdown

I dont know where to get +/- data . . . sorry . . .

zenkiller
zenkiller 5pts

Interesting...Thunder win - then Lakers are old. Lakers win - then Thunder are immature. Let's stick to one theme.

Stern gave the Thunder 40+ more freethrows in games 3 and four. Thunder blow the Lakers out of town in game 4. Fans get giddy, buy up tix and merchandise for a guaranteed game six at Ford Center. He wants the revenue from OKC. This is a depressed NBA economy and Big Dave needs all the coin to pay for a big free agent summer.

OKC goes fishing Saturday...

Dean
Dean 5pts

Kev,

This is the first time I am looking at your defensive breakdown (Truehoop highlighted on their blog). Do you compile the data for defensive +/- by hand or do you use an available data source (sorry if you have answered this question many times before)? Any suggestions on where to find defensive +/- data for games?

Kev
Kev 5pts

Defensive Breakdown

My apologies for the brevity and the lateness of this breakdown.

Well, the defense was flat. It was really less of what the Thunder did, and more of what the Lakers did. As TNT analyst Doug Collins stated, the Lakers pushed a little more, and they got into early offense – sometimes catching the Thunder off guard. Also, instead of just dumping the ball in the post, they involved the big guys in a lot of pick and roll, and this freed them more for layups. The Thunder bigs love to help out; that’s how they are coached – but sometimes they have multiple guys help, and this leads to easy baskets on the weakside. Throw in poor defense by Thabo and KD on Kobe Bryant, and you have the result. Also, the Thunder struggled scoring, so this enhanced the ability of the Lakers to get easy baskets in transition. The score total was +7, which is well below average.

Russell Westbrook (+6)

Jeff Green (+3)

Serge Ibaka (+2)

Nick Collison (+2)

Thabo Sefolosha (+2)

Kyle Weaver (+1)

Eric Maynor (+1)

James Harden (+1)

Etan Thomas (-1)

Nenad Krstic (-2)

Kevin Durant (-8)

Kevin Durant guarded Kobe for a few minutes in the first, and for about five minutes in the second quarter. Check out the second quarter results:

• Gave up penetration to Kobe Bryant (up and under move) (7:10)
• Gave up penetration; rotation; Andrew Bynum dunk (6:00)
• Contest Kobe Bryant (5:00)

Kevin also found time to give up a basket in transition by not getting back. He let Ron Artest go right around him for an easy shot at the rim, and he was posted on and scored on by Pau Gasol.

David
David 5pts

One thing to keep in mind is that when a team, though young and good, like the Thunder, humiliate a championship team there will always be pay back. You want to win a game, but to embarrass a team is never a good thing especially in the playoffs. It would be an interesting stat to see how a great team is embarrassed in the playoffs and then comes back the next game and not only wins, but wins big. Only time will tell in this series.

gil
gil 5pts

If only you could depend on 20 or more additional free throws per game you could be champions. Stern doesn't want you to go to the finals, and have the NBA get killed in the tv ratings. He just wants you to spend and yell yourselves hoarse. You are the 'good guy' in a wrestling match. Oh you will win sometimes to rally the fans, but the script has the 'bad guys' (rich) taking the trophies. Don't worry, there are plenty more carnivals headed your way. Now take a tee shirt home and buy season tickets.

LA-Okc
LA-Okc 5pts

If you have watched the Thunder for any amount of games you would know that there is a Good Russ and a Bad Russ. Unfortunetly after four games of Good Russ one knew it was just a matter of time before Bad Russ showed up to play. @Anonymous

Ryan
Ryan 5pts

@william
You have horrible grammar. I couldn't understand the first 2 sentences.

Ryan
Ryan 5pts

@Diane
And you are dillusional. Winning it all? Let me guess you just started watching the NBA this year.

Ryan
Ryan 5pts

And you are dillusional. Winning it all? Let me guess you just started watching the NBA this year.

ThunderHorn
ThunderHorn 5pts

One adjustment to use his maybe more of KD as a play-maker in certain spots. The Lakers are going to double him off the pick n roll everytime. So Green, Krstic, Ibaka, whoever are going to have open looks.

ThunderHorn
ThunderHorn 5pts

This isn't close to the reason we lost but you could tell from the opening tip that the extra day off between games 4 and 5 really helped Kobe/Bynum, and knowing there were 2 days off between games 5 and 6, is another reason we saw Kobe switch onto Russ, b/c even if the game came down to the wire, Kobe would have had 2 days to rest and get treatment on his knee/ankle.

justin
justin 5pts

@Mark!

Nope.. think you hit them all.

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@justin

How many changes has Scott Brooks made to the starting lineup since he became head coach last year?

*Westbrook moved to starting PG, Wilkins moved to starting SG, Durant moved to SF, Green moved to PF, Wilcox moved to starting C
*Nenad moved to starting C
*Thabo moved to starting SG

Those are the big ones I can remember...

Any other non-injury related changes?

Kobesbad
Kobesbad 5pts

I am a Laker Fan for more than 35 years, but the Thunder are right down the street from me now. They are my 2nd fave team, but I have to hate them this minute.

What an athletic bunch. KD needs to sustain his effort even when things don't go his way. Thunder need to go after a big man. I have a feeling that with this showing, a few free agents my see this team as a good fit and jump ship to try to get to the 2nd round or further next year.

I disagree with the Brooks criticisms. I think he has done a hell of a job utilizing his strengths.

kev
kev 5pts

Kobesbad :@kev
Just didn’t want him to chase that stallion. He is so tired from this season, but when push comes to shove, he made that change. Believe me, with less rest, it would not have been as successful.

nice call . . .

Kobesbad
Kobesbad 5pts

@kev

Just didn't want him to chase that stallion. He is so tired from this season, but when push comes to shove, he made that change. Believe me, with less rest, it would not have been as successful.

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@kev
I wouldn't be surprised either way at this point. It's a risky move to alter the starting lineup, but in my mind that's been the single biggest advantage on LA's side--we've had to play catchup in four out of five games. As soon as Ibaka and Harden come in, we've simply played better.

Who knows, maybe the home crowd will get us over the hump regardless. But personally, I think it's reasonable to ask a little more of our rookies and call them up to be starters.

kev
kev 5pts

I am surprised that Jackson waited until game 5 to put Kobe on RW . . .

kev
kev 5pts

programming note - it was a late night -

for anyone interested, the breakdown will be up tonight on the game thread . . .

Kobesbad
Kobesbad 5pts

I am a Lakers fan and think that Brooks has done a hell of a job...So have the Thunder. C'mon, it doesn't happen overnight and this is the West. OKC is better than every team in the Least. Errr I mean the East, with the exception of Bos, Cle and Orl. It may take another couple of seasons..but you are right on track

kev
kev 5pts

KingGondo :@kevAt this point, Sefolosha is giving us virtually nothing, same with Green. I don’t see it as a panic move to insert Harden and Ibaka into the starting lineup, just an adjustment.
With Sefolosha in the lineup, it allows the Lakers to completely ignore any perimeter threat and focus on preventing Westbrook from driving, which is one of our biggest advantages. At this point in the series, we have nothing to lose.

good point - I am just going by what Brooks has done all season, he is defense first - his matchups are defensive - he might be stubborn in not deviating from that, but that's his MO

Diane
Diane 5pts

I try not to comment before I sleep on it but last night I didn't sleep very good - to me it was the worst upset yet. I swear some one out there put the voodoo hex on our basket. I think it is impossible for our team to miss so many shots normally. To me all those misses just doesn't make sense (but it does count in the box score).
Other comments - It seems like all The Lakers were all over our guys when they had the ball - Thunder just couldn't get room (which Scott Brooks commented on during his interview - they need to pass more.) Coach probably should have sat Durant down and put Harden in for the whole game - I don't know if Harden did much better or not. All in all very weird game. I think the guys will come out with lots of energy in game 6, they seem to make pretty good adjustments. I still think they have a chance of winning it all.

justin
justin 5pts

@The DON

Brooks made a great adjustment in game three that won us the game (not going to Jeff Green, keeping Harden in, Durant on Kobe). He's done pretty well for a first time playoff coach. He has to improve like everyone else.

justin
justin 5pts

@kev

Again, I'd take my chances with that. If the Lakers are shooting well they are going to score on us whether or not Thabo is guarding Kobe, because we double their post players so often. We need to score. I mean, how different does the game look if we shoot even 35% in the first quarter instead of 18%? It's probably a single digit lead. Thabo's the worst offensive player on the court and a complete liability especially if we're not getting transition offense.

The DON
The DON 5pts

@KingGondo

You're stating the obvious just like we all are but it is so discouraging that our coach can't come to terms with these obvious things and we, random no name internet posters, can

Very disappointing showing by Brooks in these playoffs as far as I am concerned

kev
kev 5pts

justin :I’d take my chances on Harden guarding Kobe.. our problem in most of these games is scoring at the start. You’re not going to win scoring 34 points in a half or whatever no matter how good your defense is…

Harden caont guard Kobe - Harden has been on him very little on this series for good reason - Kobe takes him to the post every time, we have to send a double, we leave shooters open . . .

The DON
The DON 5pts

I agree that Kobe without a doubt threw a wrench in our offense and completely cut off our head thus killing the body by switching onto Westbrook

Like I said in the game thread, Kobe turned Russ back into the 41% shooter that he was in the regular season

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@kev
At this point, Sefolosha is giving us virtually nothing, same with Green. I don't see it as a panic move to insert Harden and Ibaka into the starting lineup, just an adjustment.

With Sefolosha in the lineup, it allows the Lakers to completely ignore any perimeter threat and focus on preventing Westbrook from driving, which is one of our biggest advantages. At this point in the series, we have nothing to lose.

Kobesbad
Kobesbad 5pts

KB did not let Westbrrok shoot that unorthodox J without a hand in his eyes. The KB move was the game changing effort. Westbrook and the rest of the Thunder looked slow, and unwieldly and overmatched and under prepared.

justin
justin 5pts

I'd take my chances on Harden guarding Kobe.. our problem in most of these games is scoring at the start. You're not going to win scoring 34 points in a half or whatever no matter how good your defense is...

Royce Young
Royce Young 5pts

@Anonymous
Re-read me. I said Kobe didn't do anything special specifically on Westbrook, just that his move affected OKC's offense as a whole.

justin
justin 5pts

@KingGondo

I'd put the odds of Brooks altering the lineup at six billion to one.

kev
kev 5pts

he can't change the starting lineup - Harden has to guard someone - if Thabo is out, then Durant or Harden guards Kobe - either one (longterm) is bad news . . .

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@Anonymous
The Fisher guarding our 2 matchup is not in our favor if Sefolosha is starting--it could more accurately be described as a "wash." If the Lakers want to keep Kobe on Westbrook, we have to start Harden to force Fisher to respect our perimeter shooting.

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@dork
I've always maintained that we should hold onto Green if the price is right. But if Green feels that he's being undervalued (I wouldn't be willing to pay him more than $6 million/year), I'm fine with trading him to a team that has needs at SF (as long as we can get adequate value in return).

The DON
The DON 5pts

The only changes that we need to make are inserting Ibaka and Harden in the starting lineup and giving them the whole season to develop into those roles so that once next season's playoffs roll around they are gonna be more polished due to an 82 games worth of development and added responsibilities under their belt. The one position we need to fill from outside the organization is center.

Green, Thabo, and Kristic as starters I am sorry to say will not lead to any real results in the playoffs for us ever. If we are going to be taking the next step that means we acquire a legitimate center and that Ibaka and Harden take the next step as we hand them bigger roles.

dork
dork 5pts

@KingGondo

Actually I would like to see what Jeff Green could do with about 20-30 pounds..

And yes I want to see what Ibaka can do :)

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@Royce Young
Green is adequate at PF against 70% of the league. But against any team with a real PF, he is hopelessly mismatched on both ends of the floor.

I like Green, but this series has made it agonizingly clear that he is not a viable option at PF against teams like LA. Thankfully there aren't many teams with a frontline like the Lakers, but that is not an excuse to not shore up the position or make changes. If Green is adequate against most teams in the league, imagine what a guy like Ibaka could do in the starting lineup. We either need to find minutes for Green in his natural position (SF/PF hybrid) or trade him while he still has value.

Ideally we could jump into the lottery and snag a guy like Greg Monroe, but who knows what Presti will do? Thankfully, we're in the position to realistically identify our strengths and weaknesses, and we have the resources to make changes (for now).

dork
dork 5pts

@justin

lol no he won't.. he will be perma retired. He won the game of "Im pull a fast one on Al Davis muhahahah"... and no i'm not a raiders fan :P

justin
justin 5pts

We should sign JaMarcus Russell to play PF hear he's going to be looking for work.

Royce Young
Royce Young 5pts

@justin
So that you're clear on my position, it's that yes, the team needs help. Nenad Krstic isn't a viable starting five. Jeff Green probably isn't a starting four, though I'm willing to be patient with that and see how he would do with a real big man playing beside him.

But I'm not sure drastic changes are in order, mainly because that's exactly the opposite of what Sam Presti has built. He wants sustained, long-term success. Not just a couple flash in the pan seasons.

MastrMatt
MastrMatt 5pts

@justin

I agree we need to upgrade the front court. I'm with you on that. We'll see what Presti does this off season. If he does nothing, his wunderkid status will definitely begin to deteriorate.

justin
justin 5pts

Brooks doesn't use the 'young team' thing as an excuse for losing, I hope Presti doesn't use it as an excuse for not taking advantage of the rookie deals and making a contender.

dork
dork 5pts

@justin

Calm down lol.... Yea everyteam is going to try to get better.. I doubt we will be a 50 win team next year just for two reasons if nothing else.. Portland will be healthy.. Houston will have Yao back.. combined with everyone else in our Confrence it will probally be a tighter race than this year was... And yes our team is still VERY VERY young, THREE of our major rotation players are rookies!

@Scott
I would like to see this once Ibaka's offense game has settled down a lil bit.. TBH I almost want to see KD try playin' the two spot again (not perma just every once in a while)

BigD
BigD 5pts

We are playing the champs and we have stood toe to toe with them. We should be happy we didn't get swept. We are a young team and in a few years no one will be able to touch us, not even the Lakers. There is no way we can beat the lakers, face it, as much as it hurts the lakers are still on top. As a Sonics fan since I was a kid I look forward to the Thunders years to come. We are going to be bad ass!!

Scott
Scott 5pts

I would like to see the Thunder get a serviceable center in free agency, move Ibaka into the starting lineup and have Jeff Green come off the bench.

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