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Tonight, Oklahoma City plays Memphis in an entirely meaningless game. So the question is, do the starters play or sit? It’s already been reported that the starters will play, but how much? Both sides make a lot of sense and I’m not sure there’s a right answer. But over the course of a few emails, J.G. and I tried to come up with a solution.
Royce: I’m not entirely sure I have an opinion on it yet, so I’m going to form one as we go I suppose. How’s that for hard-hitting sportswriting? So what are your immediate thoughts?
J.G.: I’m thinking that despite the reality that they could use rest, they really, REALLY aren’t playing like a team ready for the playoffs, so I think they have to use this last game as a launching pad despite the heavy legs.
Royce: I definitely feel that too. They need some momentum. Going into the postseason losing three straight and five of your last six isn’t good for morale. But at the same time, like you said, they probably need a break. I think they’re worn out and a couple guys are banged up some. There’s absolutely nothing to gain in terms of playoff positioning.
But on the flip side, there’s a lot to be won. This could be 50 wins, which is a huge milestone. This game will be in front of a national television audience, which is only the third time OKC has appeared. You don’t really want the world to get more Kevin Ollie than Kevin Durant. And plus, this could be a game as we said, to build momentum and also iron out some issues. Of course there’s the looming, scary “What If?” that rhymes with scmimjury…
J.G.: I think your point about losing five of the last six and three straight is spot on, especially with a young team who, let’s face it, has had its share of ups and downs over the year both on an individual and team level. The problem is that this game is literally meaningless in terms of the end-goal that every team has coming into the season: win a championship. This one game will not affect seeding, could result in a ______ that could keep one of its star players out of the playoffs so in terms of substance, there’s nothing to be won from this game if you play all your starters 38-40+ minutes.
Except that this game would mean something to this team and this fan base. And I think it’s beyond the nationally televised game and the 50 win milestone, which are both huge, don’t get me wrong. I’ll just come out and say it. Westbrook is playing awful; this team desperately needs the Westbrook of January – March to return. Aside from the Utah game, when has Durant been clutch in end game situations?
And what is the hope for every team come playoff time, even if they’re playing the defending champs? That they have a shot to win it come crunch time. Collison has clearly shown that he’s not a starter in this league and, I never thought I’d say this, I honestly believe this team is missing Nenad Krstic more than we could have ever dreamed. Where is the team who beat the Lakers on March 26th when Krstic pulled down 9 boards in the first quarter and the crowd was almost frothing at the mouth for a victory, even with Bynum’s injury having to be taken into consideration.
Which brings you back to the fear of suffering an ______ against a Grizzlies team who will undoubtedly come to play with so many contracts up in the air. Can the Thunder lose any starter and not immediately get swept in the first round? Will they even be able to not get swept anyway?
Royce: That’s the rub. The ultimate goal is to win a championship and to get there, you’ve got to accomplish smaller goals. Win one game in LA. Win both games at home after that. Set yourself up to win a series. Advance on and try and win the next one.
And in order to achieve those goals, you have to set yourself up for them. What was the purpose of training camp? To get ready for the season. To work out kinks, to figure out rotations and have everyone ready to go for 82 games. I think that could be the approach Wednesday night. Maybe you don’t play Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook late in the fourth quarter of an eight-point game. But they absolutely need minutes. Not just for the fans and ESPN, but because that’s what will get them ready for a series against LA.
At the same time, I think back to last week after playing a tough stretch, Scott Brooks cancelled a practice and let the players skip shootaround. They came out fresh against Phoenix and found that energy and intensity on the defensive end again. So my thinking is, you try and find the best of both worlds. Give the players a rest both mentally and physically, while also trying to fix the chinks in the armor. It’s not an easy thing to do, but Scott Brooks is looking at Coach of the Year for a reason, and I have faith he’ll figure it out.
J.G.: That’s all well and good, and I agree with you, but what happens in that last quarter if your 8 point lead dwindles to 2 with five minutes to go and your starters are on the bench? In keeping with your training camp analogy, doesn’t this team absolutely need to workout the kinks, figure out rotations, and maybe even, um, LEARN HOW TO DIAGRAM A GAME ENDING PLAY before going into the playoffs against one of the most cold-blooded finishers the league has ever seen?
If your Scott Brooks, do you put those starters back in so your team can FINALLY feel what it’s like to pull out a close victory going into the playoffs? Or do you immediately send in Etan, Ollie, etc to signal that the ending of the game is relatively meaningless so it’s not like they’re really losing yet another close game to close out the season?
What do you think the fans/players would want Brooks to do? And can you even really have the best of both worlds in this Kobayashi Maru scenario? If the Thunder go boom, but no one’s around to hear it, doesn’t it still make a sound? My head hurts.
Royce: What do you do in that situation? I have no friggin’ clue. I want to see them close and win. I think it will do them good. Obviously the Memphis Grizzlies aren’t the Los Angeles Lakers, but with Kevin Durant posting things on Twitter about fans being fickle, I think restoring some good will heading into the biggest 4-7 games of the season would be huge. And if that takes KD playing 40 minutes, maybe it’s worth it.
But on the other, dark hand, what if a schmimjury happens? Scott Brooks should just set his Coach of the Year trophy on fire then. We’d never hear the end of it. It’s one of the greatest and yet most mind-numbing things with being a fan of a team. Hindsight is always clear and if it doesn’t work out, everyone is an idiot. Coaches and players get paid the big bucks to deal with that sort of second guessing, but still, can you deal with a week or more of it if the unthinkable happens? I don’t think I could. I’d break my computer, cut my cable cords and go live in a cabin in Alaska for two months until it passes.
Overall, I guess I just took up a lot of white space to really say I don’t know what I think should happen. On one hand, I see the value in playing (ESPN, momentum, confidence, 50 wins, treating fans) and the wisdom in not (schmimjuries, rest, nothing to gain). What decision do I endorse? I dunno, ask me after the game and I’ll tell you what the right one was. I’m a fan, remember?
J.G.: …I say go for it. That being said, if Durant and the team need some good will from the Ford Center faithful to boost their confidence and self-belief going into one of the more exciting David vs GoLiAth (see what I did there?) matchups, then I think you absolutely have to put those starters in and roll the dice for the final five minutes because, much like
Durant, I think the entire Thunder fandom could use a nice esteem shot in the arm. And Durant has a point, fanhood is a fickle thing, Royce. Celebrity athlete is as celebrity athlete does, never forget that. Durant probably needs to close out a game and round out a 50 win season at home before the playoffs just as much, if not more, than the fans do.
Plus, if a ______ happens then if I were Brooks I would simply say, “You play–to win–the game,” and then mix in a “Do you think we looked like a team who was ready for the playoffs before the Grizzlies game?” and ask anyone who doubts your decision if they think the Coach of the Year trophy you’re about to win is too shiny and distracting for the journalists to pose intelligent questions.
Plus, at this point, do we actually think an extra 8-10 minutes of rest will have ANY effect on Durant and Co. after they’ve logged 40+ minutes too many times to count for 81 games? Let it ride, Brooksy!
Royce: I thinkI’m in the same boat. If it weren’t for the fear of something horrible happening, I’d say give them all 30-35 minutes, play to win and get ready for the playoffs. They’ll have three days rest before the opening game against the Lakers and if they don’t play, then you’re looking at a five-day layoff and possible rust. I don’t think you push them tonight to the point of playing Jeff Green 44 minutes or something, but I think everyone needs to play and play as if the game counts for something. Not just for us fans and a national audience, but for themselves as they get ready for the biggest game of the year.
kev :
Royce Young :Both Mustafa Shakur and Byron Mullens have been recalled just now. I imagine to see some PT tonight.
I want to see if Shakur can play within a team concept . . . I’ve already waved the white flag on Mullens . . .
I heard the same (well founded) comments re: Swift, Petro, and Sene. I keep coming back to J. O'Neal, though. BJ is young. Keep hope alive!
@KingGondo
I agree.
@Stephen
I agree.
BTW- Daily Der is much better truehoop member most of the others.
Give the ESPN viewers what they want and let the starters put on a show for the first half. Assuming we're up by a bit (which we should be, considering Marc Gasol and Brewer won't be playing), let the bench take over and get our guys some rest. But especially KD and Westbrook.
I really don't think KD is the kind of guy to "sit" without an injury. He can't hardly sit still when he comes out of a game as it is now! However, leaving the 2nd team in a little longer than usual, and not putting the starters back in at the end if we have a 10+ pt lead, just makes the most sense.
Play the starters. Get win #50. Get back on track for the playoffs. And if we're going to rest our starters, we need to do it in the late first/early second quarter, third quarter, and early fourth quarter. With how the team has been limping to the finish line late in games, we need to try to have them finish out a game the right way.
@Jeff Allen
Not being a downer here but I think the Thunder have no chance with or without a starter hurt on this team, but that’s just my opinion. Now back to the subject I am not a fan of any particular team in the NBA but a huge fan of basketball in general. I say that because I know a lot of people who feel the same way I do. When you start sitting people because your worried about the “what if” factor you’re going to lose peoples interest. I heard something on the radio this morning and I thought it pretty cool…they talked about one game trying to sit Jordan for a game before playoffs and he refused to do it because “there are people out there who have never seen me play”, that right there is the standard I think a lot of “stars” should try and follow.
I am not going to criticize a coach/manager/owner who pulled off what they did this year. However, the starters should have had their rest on Sunday and Monday while we were on the road. It really doesnt make any difference whether we play the lakers, mavericks, nuggets, jazz or sun. We can beat them all and they can beat us. If anything the Lakers and their laid back fans probably have the worse home court advantage.
However, now that we are where we are now, our fans paid to see their starters and we are on National TV or we are on a losing streat. That makes tonight a no brainer unless we witness a blowout tonight either way.
@Jackson
i agree whole-heartedly from a fan standpoint... but you have to think about this from a business standpoint and for the future prospects of this team aka playoffs in a week. going with the "what rhymes with smimjury" quote from royce... if that happens to any starter i think this team has no chance to beat the lakers... so would it be good business to play them 25 mins.... i think yes... if this game is a blowout at halftime i dont think the starters should play at all after the half...
paid not played sorry typo
Ok here it goes…I think they should play, I’m not saying for the entire game but at least some. The team is not very good right now, it’s not like they are walking into the playoffs on a high note that’s for sure. I would put them in and let them click for a while get a lead and have them sit.
I also have other reasons for that. NBA to me is a job, they get played to play basketball, and they are entertainers. We the fans pay to watch the stars play basketball. I’m sorry but if I bought tickets to watch this game with my family and I see Durant in street cloths I’m pissed. I’m not saying play everyone 40 minutes but I think they should be out there, not just because they need to get their heads right but for the people who actually paid to watch them.
good platform to shoot off for next year...
however rudy gays signing could kill the team because he is bound to be paid a lot this offseason and he isnt a max contract guy...
@justin
i think it would be a huge success for them if they beat us for the last game ( also they would beat us 2-1 in series this year) and i guess could argue they are they better younger team head to head
yeah thats true
@f5alcon
The odds difference between 11th through 14th is only one ball (out of 1000). I don't think Memphis would mind winning the game.
@f5alcon
nah i think they want that .500 record as well... i think it would be big especially with they essentials they need to sign (aka Rudy and Z-BO)
i mean i only want kd playing 20 mins
@justin
yeah, but if they lose they have a chance of being ahead of either bulls or raptors in the draft, so moving up a spot and better lottery odds might be worth it too.
i would really like to see this team figure something out with KD not in the game for 15-20
Memphis is fighting for a .500 record which might mean something to them.
f5alcon :@J.G
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memphis doesnt have anything to play for either, this could be battle of the backups and we still win.
which is why we should play our starters for a few minutes and then make a decision on when to take them out.
@J.G.
memphis doesnt have anything to play for either, this could be battle of the backups and we still win.
justin :Boy is ESPN going to regret picking this game up or what?
No... not at all... if nothing else they're going to get a touching moment when it's announced that Kevin Durant becomes the youngest score title winner in league history.
bigdadwarbucks :If KD plays and scores no points he will still win the scoring title 29.76 to Lebron’s 29.71@BigVessXpress
Nice, thanks!
kev :I don’t know why people want the starters to play . . .
the sentiment around here for the last few weeks is “they are tired” – so why NOT rest them?? It will be just what we need – the score is close in the third, and Durant ends up playing another 43 minutes . . .
So you didn't see the part about this team potentially losing 5 of 6 and 3 straight going into the playoffs against the defending champs? Or the question of if 8-10 fewer minutes (or even one game) would actually change ANYTHING regarding tiredness after 81 games?
If you're talking injury risk, I understand that completely. But 8-10 minutes (or even one game) isn't going to suddenly make the starters completely refreshed after an 81 game grind. It'll be a drop in the bucket, whereas a win creates a positive momentum into the playoffs that this team is sorely lacking.
At least that's my take on it.
I wanna see the starters in street clothes!
Royce Young :
Both Mustafa Shakur and Byron Mullens have been recalled just now. I imagine to see some PT tonight.
o they have been recalled thats awesome. sad but awesome!
2nd round of the playoffs for them!
Boy is ESPN going to regret picking this game up or what?
P.S. I am glad we don't have those three also. Everyone should try to watch a lil bit of the 66ers game tonight if you can. Just go to nba.com/dleague and you can watch the games for free!
it is in memphis' best interest to lose, it improves their draft pick by 1 position if they lose
Watch us rest the starters and DJ White still won't play. Wouldn't surprise me.
It would be nice if we had mullins, shakur, and weaver back from the d-league and they could get some valuable playing time. Without them we have to play ollie and etan, which does not benefit us as a team. I am excited to see D.J. play some minutes thought! Feels like its been ages since I have been able to watch him play. I am in favor of the play the first half and maybe a few minutes of the third. Our bench (white,ibaka, maynor) could use some pressure and some end game experience too.
Royce Young :Both Mustafa Shakur and Byron Mullens have been recalled just now. I imagine to see some PT tonight.
I want to see if Shakur can play within a team concept . . . I've already waved the white flag on Mullens . . .
give DJ and Mullens some time.
Matt :REST THE STARTERS! This team is clearly a bit worn out. Kevin Durant has played EVERY SINGLE GAME this year. If rest didn’t matter, why are LeBron and Kobe sitting? We have nothing to play for. Durant, Green and Westbrook shouldn’t see a minute tonight, and I’d keep Harden, Thabo, Ibaka and Collison under 30 as well. Think of it as a reward for the end of bench guys like Kevin Ollie. Maybe some DJ White action?!
amen . . .
Both Mustafa Shakur and Byron Mullens have been recalled just now. I imagine to see some PT tonight.
REST THE STARTERS! This team is clearly a bit worn out. Kevin Durant has played EVERY SINGLE GAME this year. If rest didn't matter, why are LeBron and Kobe sitting? We have nothing to play for. Durant, Green and Westbrook shouldn't see a minute tonight, and I'd keep Harden, Thabo, Ibaka and Collison under 30 as well. Think of it as a reward for the end of bench guys like Kevin Ollie. Maybe some DJ White action?!
I think they should play some mins, less for durant, thabo, who have been acting tired, RW, seems ok still, same with green, So maybe play with maynor/RW/harden/green/ibaka 2nd half, with ollie and white being the subs.
This is the perfect chance to free DJ White on national television.
I don't know why people want the starters to play . . .
the sentiment around here for the last few weeks is "they are tired" - so why NOT rest them?? It will be just what we need - the score is close in the third, and Durant ends up playing another 43 minutes . . .
If KD plays and scores no points he will still win the scoring title 29.76 to Lebron's 29.71
@BigVessXpress
KD/Green should sit - rest matters more than "some feel good win" over a team that plays no defense . . .
Play em, win, or weze in trouble chillin.
they should play everyone, a solid game tonight would be a huge boost going into the playoffs. And KD could play and not score a single point and still have lebron beat.
ESPN Hawks/Cavs preview saying that Lebron is resting again tonight. Does KD have to score a certain amount of points tonight (assuming he plays) to keep the lead? In other words if he plays 15 minutes and scores 5 points will he still hold the lead?
So if KD plays at all in this game how many points (if any) does he need to keep his scoring average above Lebron's?
I vote for regular rotation in the first half and start of the 3rd, then the bench take over.