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Necessary Development – Eric Maynor

by J.G. Marking on May 12, 2010 at 2:38 pm 91 Comments

Eric Maynor shootsNathaniel S. Butler/NBAE/Getty Images

If I asked you what rookie point guard, in this phenomenal rookie class of point guards, had the best assist-to-turnover ratio, who would you guess? If I then went on to tell you that it wasn’t even CLOSE, that one player just ran away with it, would that make you picture only a handful of possible candidates?

Darren Collison? Ty Lawson? Brandon Jennings?

Nope. Try, Eric Maynor.

And it wasn’t even close. The closest rookie point guard in assist-to-turnover ratio behind Maynor’s 3.13 stat is Denver’s Ty Lawson at 2.48. And before you say, well Lawson got a ton more minutes than Maynor did so he had more opportunities for turnovers (wouldn’t the same be said for assists, too? I digress…), you need to understand that Lawson only averaged 5 more minutes a game than Maynor.

And Lawson posted 63 fewer assists than the Thunder’s reserve point guard despite playing those 5 extra minutes a game. In fact of all the rookies to average 3+ assists a game, Eric Maynor was the only one who didn’t average 20+ minutes, which is probably why is Assists-Per-48-Minutes projection was tops and, honestly, a little staggering: 10.1 AP48M, just edging Darren Collison’s 9.8 AP48M.

It’s okay, I was shocked, too. But perhaps the more telling indication of Maynor’s surprisingly concise and effective style of managing the game is that ever since his arrival, he never really gave us a reason to be surprised at the reality that he could play at a high level as a floor general.

Eric Maynor – 4.7 points, 3.3 assists to only 1.05 turnovers, 1.6 rebounds, 41.8 FG%, 31% 3PT and 72.2 FT% in 15.7 minutes

Playoffs – 3.7 points, 1.5 assists to .83 turnovers,  1.5 rebounds, 30.0 FG%, 16.7 3PT% and 81.8 FT% in 12.7 minutes

This is lost on a lot of people now, but before the Thunder acquired Eric Maynor Russell Westbrook was in a tail-spin. For an especially troubling eight game stretch before Maynor’s first appearance with the Thunder on December 23rd, Westbrook had really struggled with reckless turnovers and poor passing to the point that there were quite a few grumblings about if the “old Westbrook” was really the true one despite his stellar start to the year.

In those  eight straight games, Westbrook only posted one game with 8 or more assists once (against the Lakers, see, forever tied to the Lakers) but had more turnovers than assists twice.

In the Phoenix game on December 23rd, Westbrook tallied 7 assists to a glaring 5 turnovers. What did Maynor do on his very first game with the Thunder?

5 assists, 1 turnover.

Now take a look at Westbrook’s next five games…

6 assists, 0 turnovers
10 assists, 2 turnovers
10 assists, 2 turnovers
10 assists, 4 turnovers
13 assists, 0 turnovers

Get the picture?

If for no other reason, the Thunder and Russell Westbrook can thank Maynor for contributing because you may call it coincidence or a fluke, but I have a very hard time denying the fact that the Thunder finally acquiring a solid, steady and incredibly talented backup point guard not only brought stability to their roster, but challenged their starting point guard to pick up his game and focus in both practice and games.

But that’s not the whole story. Perhaps most promising of all is that Maynor played better and better after the trade to Oklahoma City and seemed to really peak as a player in the last month of the regular season, where he averaged 6.3 points, 4.5 assists to only .80 turnovers, grabbed 2 rebounds, shot 46.3 FG% and a very impressive and exciting 44.4% from 3PT land in only 18.0 minutes a game.

Translation: I don’t care who he’s playing against (even though Maynor had some huge moments throughout the year that saw him take and make huge shots against starters and playoff contenders; I’m thinking specifically his dagger three that he hit against the Mavs to clinch the Thunder a playoff spot), a rookie point guard he posts better than a 4.5-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio in his last month in only 18 minutes a night is executing about as well as a point guard can.

And that’s what is so promising about Eric Maynor as a floor general; he just gets it done and puts his teammates in a position to do the same.

Next Step: Honestly, if Maynor can keep up his amazing execution abilities and capacity to control the flow and pace of the offense while still limiting his turnovers, then his ability to improve his 3 PT shooting and overall scoring impact would be icing on the cake because when Maynor comes into the ball game, either by rotation or necessity, he usually holds his own.

Obviously if he could raise his 3PT% into the upper 30′s or lower 40′s, I’d be ecstatic as the second unit would have two 3 PT shooters (if Harden stays on the bench) who could spread the floor and it would also force opposing defenses to respect Maynor’s shot and play him close, allowing him to blow by them and penetrate more which he excels at as his excellent court vision usually finds an open teammate or he unveils that sweet floater.

Mostly though, I’d like Maynor to improve his defensive abilities. By no means was he terrible as a defender, but his basketball IQ and quick hands should give opposing point guards (especially other reserves) fits and would give him the opportunity to run in transition and play with an open floor ahead of him, which he excels at.

Projection for the Opening Tip:  Obviously Maynor will continue his role as the team’s backup point guard and continue playing between 17-20 minutes a game but I absolutely expect his numbers to improve after having an actual training camp with his team and simply improving in year two.

I’m thinking something along the lines of 6.5 points, 4.8 assists to 1.2 turnovers, 2 rebounds, .75 steals with 44.0 FG%, 38.9 3PT% and 79.0 FT%.

In summary, I think Maynor continues carving up opposing second units and will make an even bigger impact next year as not just a stabilizing force for this entire team, but a significant force on both sides of the ball as well.

And that’s why I dub him the Surgeon General of Execution.

Everyone deserves a cool nickname if they can pull off a 3-1 assist-to-turnover ratio in a single season.

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Paul
Paul 5pts

Was it also coincidental that Durant went on his scoring streak immediately after the Maynor trade?

These guys should be playing in Seattle.

justin
justin 5pts

Why the hell should fans care about having the team that spends the least amount of money?! I can understand if you're winning a title or something but wins don't matter at all unless they're leading to something meaningful. We're not special, that's the whole point. You're not going to win in the NBA resting on your laurels. If this team comes out next year and doesn't win 50 games again there's going to be disappointment.

DXL
DXL 5pts

Last year, in terms of salary, we spent the least amount of money per win in the NBA (and it was likely one of the cheapest dollar per win ratios in the history of the NBA). Next year, I see nothing wrong with spending even less (non-contributors Etan Thomas and Harpring dropping off the payroll) and winning even more games. Why not, we're special.

justin
justin 5pts

@DXL

It's unprecedented in league history. How many times has a bottom dwelling salaried team won anyting? Come on.

There are more ways to spend money that in free agency, you can also make a trade. In this offseason, if Presti decides to do nothing but draft a few guys and goes into the season with over $10 million in cap space you have to question the team's commitment to winning. If they wanted to win they'd find a place for those resources. That's $10 million+ that could turn a 'good roster of 45 wins' into a championship contender.

DXL
DXL 5pts

Why an insult? Not because it's a bad roster. That roster is guaranteed 45 wins, and, if healthy, competes for top seed in the West. Just because there are a lot of very, very underpaid players on the roster (who will be due huge raises in a year or two) doesn't mean it's not a great roster of players.

Maybe it's an insult to the part of the fanbase that believes in the efficacy of high-priced free agents. I don't think Presti and the organization believes in spending big in free agency. If we look at recent history (Kurt Thomas, Etan Thomas, Matt Harpring) Presti will use our cap space to absorb a bad contract along with draft picks or promising young players on rookie contracts.

For example, if Utah wants to sign Boozer without being destroyed by the luxury tax, I'd take Mehmet Okur (torn achilles and 2 years/$20.5 million left on his contract) and their lottery pick (slated to be 9th) in exchange for Paccelis Morlende, one of our useless unsigned draft picks from 2003.

Crow
Crow 5pts

It is possible, if they don't find something that really motivates them to do otherwise, that they decide in the end to just pay the difference to reach minimum salary. Unless they get heat for it and care about getting heat for it.

justin
justin 5pts

@DXL

That roster might not make the minimum salary requirements of the league. It'd be an insult to the fans, IMO, to trot that out...

DXL
DXL 5pts

Of course we'll keep White and Weaver next year. They're both cheap and we've spent too much time and money developing them to just let them go for nothing.

15 man roster:

Green, Durant, Krstic, Westbrook, Sefolosha, Harden, Ibaka, Collison, Maynor, Mullens, White, Weaver, (Larry Sanders), (Quincy Pondexter), (Dominique Jones). And we'll stash a 2nd round prospect in Europe.

Perhaps we stash two prospects in Europe. Something makes me think they'd like Mustafa Shakur on the roster as a 3rd point guard and 3-point shooter.

The DON
The DON 5pts

Look at this latest facebook post by the Sonicsgate movie page about Jeff Green and then read the comments:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/sonicsgate?v=wall&story_fbid=102640456448440&ref=mf

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Kev
The article said between 17-20 minutes a game, which shouldn't seem all that outrageous since Maynor averaged 15.7 minutes a game this past season and we all wish Westbrook could play fewer 42+ minute games, right?

@Mark!
I'd like to think these articles discussed defense as well (Harden's improvement but long way to go, Ibaka's obvious blocks and need to position better for defensive rebounds, and now Maynor's obvious need to become much more active defensively), but it really does look like next year should be the true litmus test as to how these players are offensively in terms of execution. Here's hoping we're all not complaining about the same things again this time next year.

Matt
Matt 5pts

Can we trade for Dalembert, who's an expiring contract? He'd help with interior defense and rebounding from the center position, which is a need to beat the Lakers. In case we haven't noticed yet, we'll need to beat the Lakers to get out of the West next season.

dream catcher
dream catcher 5pts

and yes I just made up a name...

dream catcher
dream catcher 5pts

justin :
Antonio Daniels was a far more highly touted prospect. I see the similarities, but it’s worth noting that Daniels’ effectiveness as a point guard later on in his career had a lot to do with PG skills he didn’t display as much in college or his first stint in the league. Daniels was a better scorer than Johnson in college IMO and showed a more complete skillset.
I’d be shocked if we didn’t take a big man at #21.

I trust Presti with whatever decision he makes. The guy is calculated and diligent. You know if he misses on someone it won't be because of a lack of hard work.

So if we take Avery Bradley, or Nskitiv Villitkav ill be happy.

justin
justin 5pts

Antonio Daniels was a far more highly touted prospect. I see the similarities, but it's worth noting that Daniels' effectiveness as a point guard later on in his career had a lot to do with PG skills he didn't display as much in college or his first stint in the league. Daniels was a better scorer than Johnson in college IMO and showed a more complete skillset.

I'd be shocked if we didn't take a big man at #21.

Snowflake
Snowflake 5pts

I was over on nbadraft.net looking at their mock and they have the Thunder taking Armon Johnson at #21 and who do they compare him to? Antonio Daniels. Now I know nothing about Armon Johnson but does anyone think this is a reasonable comparison?

ThunderHorn
ThunderHorn 5pts

You should one of these for Jeff Green as well. Really good reads.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Easier to transition to a new position and / or against the right match-ups if you are likely a 0=15 minute player for the foreseeable future, unless you just really click in above expectations. If you do then maybe you'll be able to handle the additional challenge better than expected; or if the results are not as great, you just scale back and stop at what did work.

At this point they can take some niche players. You want to avoid players that can't contribute enough in any niche.

Redstone formerly atr
Redstone formerly atr 5pts

The thing with Babbitt is that he played primarily power foward when I watched him. I don't know that he can transition to the small forward position except in specific matchups. I think it will be interesting to see how he manages it. I don't think that he would be what I would look for.

Crow
Crow 5pts

I guess "perhaps" should be on everything for almost any draft pick. Got to see first-hand what they can do against NBA level players at their position.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Babbitt on the surface might help with 4 of the 6 needs-

more offense when KD is not out there
3 point shooting
passing (perhaps)
defensive rebounding (perhaps)

Crow
Crow 5pts

left-hander, rebounds, some passing... some things to like...

Crow
Crow 5pts

"They need more offense when KD is not out there and better PF defense."

If you were going to fill out the need list, I guess I'd put more 3 point shooting on there and maybe more center scoring and probably more passing to accomplish 3 of the 4 other things mentioned so far.

I guess you can put defensive rebounding on there too and interior defense against elite teams.

Any move should hopefully help noticeably on one or more.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Joe
I really like Babbitt, but I don't think by any stretch of the imagination that he will be a good defender in the NBA.

Joe
Joe 5pts

I'm on the Luke Babbitt bandwagon. He'd be awesome on our second unit with Harden (or Sef)Maynor, Ibaka etc. You would be able to rest Green and Durant at the same time because Babbitt can flat our score, and he is a decent defender. We do truly need a 3 on the second unit and Weaver isn't it.

I'd also be happy with Q.Pondexter, but Babbitt strokes the three over 40%.

Crow
Crow 5pts

If they carry 15 players I think they can keep Weaver, White and 3 more. Use all 15 spots to start out near, at or above min. salary and then do trades.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@Keith

I agree Keith. The need to meet minimum salary is a friend of action of some kind and sometime but the NBA doesn't enforce the minimum salary til the end of the season. If you are under then, you pay the difference to the league.

Crow
Crow 5pts

More NBA teams probably ought to truly adopt an NFL-like offensive and defensive coordinator system. Some teams probably say they have that. Many times the Head Coach is really still all over the decision-making on both sides. If you are good on one, get/designate the other. "If" Adams is truly the brains of the defense then Brooks is really on the hook for the offense. With Westbrook and Presti.

Not sure how much weight to put on the good offense of March / April. Wait n see if they start out at that level or not next season.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@Crow
The Thunder literally cannot afford to wait until next offseason. Besides the obvious waste of cap space, the team will be under the league minimum salary. The quickest way to make up that money is to buy a FA, but then you have more players than roster spots continuously.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Weaver was above average on eFG% and TS% in decent time in 08-09, albeit on very low usage. Maybe he isn't truly the right guy to be on the court when KD rests. Could play alright at the same time? The results were not good in 08-09 but almost nothing was good in 08-09.

Presti may not want to trade this summer but I'd think that by Feb. 2011 the information will be better and hopefully some upgrades or better fits are found with the available assets.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Mark!
The sad truth is there are few coaches in this league that do an excellent job coaching both offense and defense. Unless you root for the Magic, Jazz, Spurs, or (curiously) the Suns, you've usually got some gripe with the inefficient rotations or inconsistent rotations or poor offensive scheme or poor defensive scheme or inability to motivate the players or crunch time failings or...

justin
justin 5pts

@Mark!

It's not uncommon for coaches to be clueless on offense. Mike Woodson is known for just calling ISO JOE all game, Mike Brown's assistants draw up all his plays for him. Maybe Brooks just isn't a good offensive mind, which seems silly considering his background but you never know.

Brooks has said some zany stuff though. Like "the Chicago Bulls won without a dominant big, so we can too" kind of stuff. I can see him sticking to his guns 100% and our offense continuing to be a mostly improvisational work of modern art. Hope that's not the case...

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@justin

We have to do something; we don't have a choice if the salary is higher than $54.725M. Signing no one + keeping all our picks means 15 people on the roster (13 current + 2 first round picks) and falling under the minimum team salary reqs.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

I wonder if we take Seraphin partly because we can stash him in Europe for a year.

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

Jax Raging Bile Duct :
I think once Brooks has a training camp to implement an offense and throw a few schemes at the guys, Maynor will really thrive in that environment.

I'm going to be supremely disappointed if there isn't a noticeable difference in the offense next year. I find the notion of coaching defense to the total exclusion of offense a little absurd; I think the team was hurt by it. We ended up having a good season anyway, but that same excuse won't fly next year. If the offense is just as slap-dash, I think we have to point the finger at Brooks' lack of ability to coach offense and not just lack of time or focus.

This is one of the most irritating things to me about looking at player development. Almost all these articles talk about offense, but throughout the season we've had to make excuses for the offense because of coaching and not player ability. So-and-so isn't used correctly... maybe if we designed plays for so-and-so they would be better... etc etc. It just feels like it's hard to judge how well a player performs on offense outside of how well they perform in iso.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@Keith

I'd tend to keep both and I'd use them too in small roles.
But I am not stuck on either or Green.

They need more offense when KD is not out there and better PF defense.

Different ways to do it. Up to Presti to get it done.

justin
justin 5pts

I expect at least one trade that consolidates our talent / draft picks.

Kev
Kev 5pts

I love Weaver's game - but how can you keep him unless you trade the #1 picks away - both of those contracts will be guarantted . . .

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

I think some of this depends upon the draft. If we end up drafting Bradley or Crawford, Weaver becomes redundant.

Crow
Crow 5pts

in above, probably should say

for PGs in the rotation "anywhere in the league"

justin
justin 5pts

Thabo is the longest SG in the NBA. He's got a couple inches on Weaver at least, IMO. And yeah, if there is a quickness difference, it's very slight.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

The only thing I have to say about the Weaver/Thabo debate is that Thabo LOOKS longer with better feet. I know Thabo is taller, but I don't have any measurements on length for either guy, just going by eyesight. And Weaver's quick feet are good, but not quite as quick as a healthy Thabo. At least not to me.

However, we're not talking much. If Weaver can hit 3's in the league like he did in the D-league, he's a keeper.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Maynor didn't get to the rim as often as Westbrook.

Westbrook had the second highest rate on inside shots per minute for PGs in the rotation.

Maynor in OKC was a bit below average on this. Maynor in Utah however was almost twice the average and placed about 23rd highest among those playing over 10 minutes a game. He was the ability to get inside. And he did finish with 50% FG% on his inside shots in OKC. In Utah it was only a bit less.

Generally I am optimistic with him.

justin
justin 5pts

Brooks seems a bit more open to playing Kyle Weaver than DJ White, though. Must be something he doesn't like at all about DJ.

I have a feeling if either of them leave they will make good rotation players elsewhere.

justin
justin 5pts

@Keith

That's such a hard choice. Weaver's contract is unguaranteed next season isn't it? I think he's more likely to go for that reason, if there's a choice to be made.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@Crow
White and Weaver have used up all their D-league time. They are either taking up a roster spot or traded. Which do you think is more likely, and which do you think is better for the team?

Crow
Crow 5pts

It would seem reasonable to me to try Maynor-Harden-Green-White-Ibaka or Collison. Of course they never did and used White with Maynor very little really. Maybe next season.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

I think Maynor falls into that category of point guard that has trouble creating scoring opportunities for themselves. You don't see him with a knack to get to the rim. Maynor is that guy that will run a system, and probably run it as well as anyone. He'd be perfect in an offense that primarily ran the flex (which is ironically what the Jazz run) or the princeton (think Hornets, Georgetown).

I think once Brooks has a training camp to implement an offense and throw a few schemes at the guys, Maynor will really thrive in that environment.

Crow
Crow 5pts

White only turns it over half as much.
I won't bother to try to compare them defensively because I doubt Presti will pursue Bass.

Crow
Crow 5pts

White are Bass are similar on those points. I looked elsewhere first given the very low court time they've given White when healthy.

Bass does go inside a bit more and does finish better. He rebounds a bit better when you look at him relative to his match-up.

Crow
Crow 5pts

White is above 20% usage and well above average on TS%.
Even is you just played him in the 6-8 minutes when KD rested that might work, if they were willing to look closer at it.

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