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Necessary Development – Harden, Ibaka and Maynor

by J.G. Marking on May 10, 2010 at 2:48 pm 46 Comments

The future of this franchise will literally hinge upon the development of these three players (you can add on if they acquire a paint-oriented, back-to-the-basket big to that but we’ll go with these three for today).

Now you absolutely would have included Harden’s name on this list a year ago as he was the #3 pick, but Ibaka would have been a mere footnote. And Maynor, well we didn’t even expect him to be on the team once Utah drafted him. And now, well the development of these three could pretty much determine how significant of a contender the Thunder are for the next five-to-ten years depending upon how each turns out.

*Hopefully this won’t tread upon Clark’s engaging series on how each Thunder player can improve for next year since we’ll just be focusing on the rookies and will be more general…and yes, I’m excluding Mullens for what are, I hope, unbelievably obvious reasons

For today, Part I, we’ll be taking a look at the Thunder’s Sixth Man and All-Rookie Second Team member, James Harden.

James Harden – 9.9 points, 3.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.05 steals, 40.3 FG%, 37.5% 3PT, 80.8 FT% in 22.9 minutes a game

Playoffs: 7.7 points, 2.5 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.0 steals, 38.7 FG%, 37.5% 3PT, 84.2 FT% in 20 minutes a game

For a rookie shooting guard who only played just under 23 minutes a game, Harden seriously contributed to the Thunder across the board as the team’s Sixth Man, but that’s to be expected of the third overall pick. In fact, you could even argue more is expected of such a high draft pick for a team that had just won only 23 games.

But this team seemed to believe early on that they were more than a 33-35 win team and to his credit, James Harden did his best to fulfill the role that the Thunder coaching staff put him in/needed him to fill for the best of the team. And despite textbook rookie inconsistencies, Harden performed quite well and helped the turnaround that was the Oklahoma City Thunder in the 2009-10 NBA season.

There are many who wished Harden would start from about the midway point of the season and others who were fine with Thabo starting as long as Harden received at least 30 minutes a game (myself included in the latter), however the Thunder won 50 games and made the playoffs, so it’s hard to argue with the staff’s decision to use Harden as a key reserve and continue his development more slowly than other rookies.

Due to this slowed pace of development, Harden did not put up gaudy statistics like other fellow rookies because he was not a starter, did not get the necessary minutes to accumulate those stats, and apart from Brandon Jennings, did not play on a team who was out of the playoff race by January and could afford to play a rookie high draft pick and take the learning curve lumps along the way.

Plus, Harden wasn’t always as efficient as some of the rookies who finished ahead of him in the ROY race, as they should have.

Next Stage: Harden has got to become a potent offensive threat every time he touches the ball, either for himself or for other teammates, which he has shown the surprising capability of doing as either a scorer or even a top-shelf playmaker and passer.

Far too often during his rookie season Harden would appear extremely passive and be content to just move the ball along. Or on the flip side, Harden would realize he needed to kick-start the team’s offense and would force his drives and enter the paint out of control and without a plan.

Such is the rookie year.

But the reason for so much optimism with Harden is that despite his inconsistencies and forced drives/shots, Harden played more like a veteran than he did a rookie throughout his inaugural season. His vision, savvy and ability to draw contact and attack the rim when his shot was not falling paint the picture of a player who already gets it and just needs time to adjust his full game to this level of competition. He needs those reps to be able to understand how best to use his considerable talents to maximize his effectiveness in the NBA.

In addition, Harden’s offensive efficiency and overall contributions to a 50-win playoff team were considerable even if you’re unimpressed with his overall numbers in limited playing time.

Of the entire rookie class, James Harden was the only player in the Top 10 in scoring not to play 24+ minutes (or a solid half if you want to look at it another way). He was 8th among rookies in scoring.

Of that same Top 10 in scoring, Harden was 4th in 3PT % (behind Curry, Darren Collison and Wesley Matthews) and took twice as many 3′s a game as Collison and Matthews.

But what hurt Harden the most was his 2 PT % when it comes to overall FG% and that is something he should and absolutely must improve upon, primarily finishing at the basket. Harden has shown the ability to split defenses and find driving lanes, which is a great sign at such an early stage in his career. However once James gets there he must be able to convert at the rim if it is an option or dish the ball off to an attacking teammate if the defense converges on him instead of bullishly trying to score no matter what.

Secondly and most astonishingly, Harden made HUGE strides defensively throughout the season—-and he had to, because boy was he hard to watch those first few weeks when it was painfully obvious that he had never played anything but zone in college.

“Oh, you’ve never played man before. Well here, take a stab at guarding Kobe Bryant, Brandon Roy and the best shooting guards on the planet as your warmup course.”

But you know what, he stuck with it, he watched Thabo and he learned. And then he adapted and executed. Yes, he still has a long way to go to being a lockdown defender. But he has the tools and the obvious desire to make that jump.

The proof? Harden had the 5th highest steals of all rookies by the end of the season, averaging an eye-opening 1.05 steals a game. Not bad for a guy who was considered a defensive weak link, huh?

Bottom line, when it came to contributing, few rookies were as good as James Harden was across the board. Don’t believe me, have a look at this…

8th in scoring, 14th in rebounding, 21st in FG%, 12th in FT%, 9th in 3PT %, 12th in assists, 5th in steals and 12th in blocks (yes, 12th).

But you know what, it doesn’t end there. Despite not starting and only playing 22.9 minutes a game, when it came to Shooting Guards who qualified, James Harden was in the Top 25 in scoring (23rd), Top 20 in rebounding (17th), Top 20 in FT (18th), Top 20 in 3PT% (20th), Top 25 in assists (21st), Top 20 in steals (16th, 3 spots behind Thabo) and Top 20 in blocks (18th).

Yes, there are at least 20 teams in the league that would love to start James Harden at SG next year. In short, there’s not a single category James Harden does not contribute in on some level for this team. And it should only improve in his second year.

Prediction for the Opening Tip – Even though it’s not what I would necessarily prefer, I think James Harden continues in his role as the Thunder’s Sixth Man and scorer off of the bench. But unlike last season, I think Harden will see 30+ minutes and be even more effective offensively in his second year.

I think Harden pours in 15 points a game, snags 4.5 rebounds, dishes out 3.5 assists, grabs 1.25 steals while shooting 45.5 FG%, 40.3% 3PT and maintaining his 80 FT%, making it awfully difficult on Scott Brooks not to insert him into the starting lineup or give him 35-40 minutes a game.

And if this next step does happen for Harden, the Thunder offense has the very real chance at catching up to the defense because that second scorer will open up the floor and give Westbrook actual options for plays and kick-outs, not to mention force the defense to pay respect to Harden and thereby free up Durant for better looks.

Tune in tomorrow for the one, the only, Air Congo…

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Joshua G
Joshua G 5pts

Two names - Manu Ginobli; Jason Terry. Your second leading scorer can definitely come off the bench.

GoHornsGo90
GoHornsGo90 5pts

I think Harden compares favorably to Manu Ginobli. Yes...I said it...a white guy to a black guy. Lefty, playmaker who can create for himself and his team, comes off the bench, good-great shoot.

Derrick
Derrick 5pts

Maybe because I'm a lefty like Harden, but I cant watch his game without seeing his reliance on his left hand. Dude just doesnt want to go right. If Harden can develop his right hand he will be able to get to the paint a ton more, finish better, and get more open looks on kickouts to shooters.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Osano-Whoa :@justin

I see. I didn’t realize that 2nd option had to do with versatility in scoring on a play by play basis rather than just putting up the 2nd most points. So does the fact that Harden can shoot the 3 so well suggest that he has the capability to develop a mid range game, or does the fact that he can hit the 3 from the corners have no baring on his other shooting ability?
Let me ask, strategically why do you need a 2nd and 3rd option for general scoring? Why doesn’t a team with a corner 3 shooter, a big guy in the paint, 2 guys that can take it to the basket, and just one versatile scorer work? Is it too predictable/easy to defend?

Ideally, a scoring option is a guy who commands a double team. Saying it another way, a scoring option is a guy who commands the defense to rotate to help.

As it is, no defense will assign help to cover Thabo. Krstic will not command help. As long as Jeff is willing to shoot long jump shots, the defense is willing to give him that shot. The same is true for Russell. If Russell and Jeff take their size/quickness advantage and get to the rim, you'll see plenty of help defense converge in the paint to stop them.

So, James would make a great 2nd option if he can command the attention of the defense from the 3 point arc and in. If you have to body him up at the arc, then he can drive past you and score. But that is just isolation plays. If James has a play run for him, then he's coming off of screens or participating in a pick and roll or pick and pop, and most often these plays end up getting you an open shot in the midrange game. In the case of the latter two, he can also create for his teammates off the ball screen.

Right now James helps the offense because he spreads the floor. You can't just blatantly ignore him like you can Thabo. In the future, if James is to be our second option, he'll need to command some attention. The best use of a 2nd option is to keep your man defender from helping on the 1st scoring option.

James is efficient enough as it is to be a good second option. He just needs to force the defense into a tough situation when KD is on the floor, and take control of the offense and command a double team when KD is on the bench.

justin
justin 5pts

DizzyDai :Bourousis doesn’t play a lot of minutes either. Is that an European thing?

Yes.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

Bourousis doesn't play a lot of minutes either. Is that an European thing?

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

Vega :I’ve been plugging Yiannis Bourousis for quite a while now, abut I know virtually nothing about him. Anyone here know anything about his game?

I watched him play in the Eurocup Final Four. I wasn't terrible impressed, but I guess he could make it in the NBA. He did pull down 3 offensive boards in a row to help his team beat Partizan Belgrade. He seems unathletic compared to other NBA type centers, but he can pull down boards. Maybe he could be a Zach Randolph type, but I doubt it.

Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts

J.G. :@Clark Matthews All right, I have to ask, will this or will this not include an Ankh (though a tat might affect the ratio) and/or an Egyptian Dance celebration during pregame?
Spoiler or not, you can’t just toss out something like that and leave us hanging.

If it was a brand instead of a tat, would the ratio be affected?

Crow
Crow 5pts

I guess it could be mostly Green-Collison and Krstic-Ibaka. That would be worth knowing but less dramatic. I'd think a reporter could find out and share that info. I didn't see this season. Maybe next.

Crow
Crow 5pts

When the team scrimmages they can either heavily emphasize the starting unit playing together or not. I'd find it odd if they didn't emphasize that lineup in scrimmage given that they emphasize it so much in regular games.

I can't answer that question but assuming they emphasize the starting unit that would in part presumably put Harden against Thabo and Green vs mostly Ibaka or Collison. I'd like to hear about those matchups and the impact of those matchups of player's game, if it is indeed done this way most of the time. Of course we won't though.

For Harden, I assume Thabo is a pretty good challenge that I assume helps or will help with development. Or maybe it is quite tough and Harden hasn't found the spots that he can more typically expect to get against lesser defenders?

Green - Ibaka would be the most fun and helpful to see more of. If that is the regular diet, what has Brooks seen there from each, how much has it changed and what will he see in the next training camp and what will he choose to really "see" or think about it?

Osano-Whoa
Osano-Whoa 5pts

@justin
I see. I didn't realize that 2nd option had to do with versatility in scoring on a play by play basis rather than just putting up the 2nd most points. So does the fact that Harden can shoot the 3 so well suggest that he has the capability to develop a mid range game, or does the fact that he can hit the 3 from the corners have no baring on his other shooting ability?

Let me ask, strategically why do you need a 2nd and 3rd option for general scoring? Why doesn't a team with a corner 3 shooter, a big guy in the paint, 2 guys that can take it to the basket, and just one versatile scorer work? Is it too predictable/easy to defend?

Vega
Vega 5pts

I've been plugging Yiannis Bourousis for quite a while now, abut I know virtually nothing about him. Anyone here know anything about his game?

justin
justin 5pts

@Osano-Whoa

James Harden will have to develop a mid range game and become more efficient on 2pters in general to be the second option. It's not impossible, but he can't be a second option as he currently is. He's more a 3pt specialist right now though there are signs that point toward him becoming much more - I think that's the point of this article.

shiki=4 seasons
shiki=4 seasons 5pts

Where is thabo's value?He can defense Wade/Kobe/OJ(OJ cannnot do anything when he play with thunder).If he is in bench,there is just JR Smith or Crawford.It wastes his value to the team.And he is poor in offense,our bench is the same,too.When KD rest offcourt,Harden is the best player to score.
I hope Harden can have more time than thabo,but keep thabo as a starter

Osano-Whoa
Osano-Whoa 5pts

So I keep hearing about how we need a 2nd scoring option and I have to ask why can't Harden be our 2nd scoring option? Is it just because he's young and people don't want to put that on him until they've seen how he performs next year? Or is it because we don't want our top 3 scoring options to all be wing players? Either way, Harden has impressed me all year, and I can definitely see his Summer growth being a monumental boost to our offense next year. If he can just finish at the rim then he's got all the pieces to put up excellent numbers next year. I see no reason that he couldn't be putting up a 20-5-5 line on a regular basis, with good defense to boot.

AC
AC 5pts

Harden's TS% is just great.

justin
justin 5pts

Memphis fans will tell you once Rudy Gay leaves we'll see what OJ Mayo can do. His USG went down in his second year, due to the addition of Zach Randolph and emergence of Marc Gasol I am guessing. He was the definitive 2nd option his rookie year, third option this year. Seeing his TS% make that kind of improvement and his TOV% go down, I think he would have seen tangible (PPG) improvement if his involvement had remained the same...

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Just compared OJ's first and second seasons, and it's amazing how little he improved. The areas that count did improve (his eFG%, TS% and PER), but otherwise he didn't change at all.

I'm expecting James to improve quite a bit more than OJ did in his second year.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

I'll be honest, I didn't think Harden would grade out as well as he did when I started writing this. It just goes to show how quietly efficient he was and how much potential and how excited we all should be for his development.

justin
justin 5pts

OJ Mayo after ASB (PER36):

16.0 PPG on 43% FG, 38% 3PT, 89% FT, 52.6% TS
2.72 RPG, 3.57 APG, 1.12 SPG

Note the difference in TS%. Harden's much more efficient due to all the trips to the line and high 3PA.

James
James 5pts

I think Ibaka starts at the 5 next year. I don't think it really matters as much who starts the game as it does who gets the most minutes and who finishes. I think we'll see Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Green and Ibaka in to finish next year. Ibaka was our best defender against the best low post team in the league in the playoffs. He can hold his own defensively at the 5.

justin
justin 5pts

I think James Harden has more potential as a defender than Mayo, the size to defend some SF's for example. Mayo was a better shooter in his rookie year but Harden got to the line more.

I hope he gets more play time next season. I don't think Harden was allowed to play through his mistakes as much as Ibaka or anyone else for that matter. Maybe it will help him in the long run but I think it damaged his confidence a little at times.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Basketball Reference comparison for James and OJ: http://goo.gl/k8PX

If anyone knows how to compare splits, I'd like to follow Justin's lead and compare post all star game stats for their rookie years as well.

justin
justin 5pts

Harden and Mayo is a good comparison. Good call.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

I'm really impressed with Harden's all-around game. Rookies usually come into the league with a few strengths and several weaknesses. I was afraid James' weakness would be defense and athleticism. I can't tell you how impressed I am at how quickly James figured our defensive system out. He's outmatched at times, but all rookies are, especially at the SG position. But defense is about effort and heart, and James did that.

I remember Durant and Green in their second year, and they were matadors, no better than they were in their rookie years. Russell was maddening in his rookie year in lots of areas, and this year his game is better but he's still not where he needs to be defensively. But you don't look at James like that because he's always doing what he needs to do and giving the effort he needs to give. I guess what I'm getting at is that James is ahead of his teammates on defensive terms in his rookie year.

Also, James has a few turnovers, but anyone remember last year when seemingly every 3rd possession Russell or KD would turn it over? Russell lead the league in turnovers for a long stretch and nearly set rookie turnover records. James isn't close to that.

The worst part of James' year was his identity crisis. But every rookie goes through that. Finding his role and executing that role gave James trouble. I remember his 8 assist game, then suddenly he went seemingly a whole month with just 8 assists. But by the end of the year, James did what he did very well. We missed him for a few games while his hammy was sore, and you could really tell a major difference in the team.

James is just a guy who doesn't really show any weaknesses to his game. If I were to compare him to a guy, I'd say OJ Mayo. Now I haven't looked at the stats, but I'm just going off their games. James and OJ can both shoot, they can both penetrate, they can both pass, they both play mostly at SG, they aren't defensive liabilities, their games are both really polished and they both have NBA bodies.

I guess I should have looked up their PER36 to back my eye test up, and I will here in a bit.

But what I'm getting at is that James has really impressed me with his overall game, his IQ, and his hard work on areas where he was weak. There's nothing more the guy can do to earn PT. So it will definitely come his way. I fully expect 30 mins a game this next season.

Bob
Bob 5pts

I think Thabo will start next year. Brooks rarely plays thabo in the 4th quarter when we are playing a good defensive team, but neither does he play harden. He simply doesnt trust him. I've fallen in ''love'' with thabo in first 60 games and then he injured himself (i think) and was not the same anymore. If thabo plays like he did in the first 60 games i am fine with him starting. Harden would give us a boost offensively if he starts but i dont think Brooks trusts him defensively.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@Clark Matthews
All right, I have to ask, will this or will this not include an Ankh (though a tat might affect the ratio) and/or an Egyptian Dance celebration during pregame?

Spoiler or not, you can't just toss out something like that and leave us hanging.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

harden has to start if not this year then next, there is no way a number 3 draft pick who isnt a bust can come off the bench.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Jason
green can play the 3 and 4 as a backup, and he isnt that bad of a scorer or passer

justin
justin 5pts

Anyone who watched the Lakers series who doesn't think the start of games matters well.. I think we probably looking at a seven game series if we paid more mind to our starting lineup and how poor it was.

justin
justin 5pts

@Jason

In that second unit, Kevin Durant will play a lot of minutes, or Harden. The offense would be fine. We do a nine man rotation.

Jason
Jason 5pts

@justin
Green is not as quick off the dribble as Harden. Green can not offer the same talents that Harden offers. The NBA is not like college and high school where you start all 5 of your best players. With 48 minute games, the key is to maintain offensive and defensive intensity throughout the entire game. With Thabo/Green(or Ibaka)/Maynor/Collison on the second team, I do not see a potent offensive threat.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

if we get a real center krstic could come off the bench and that would help with 2nd team scoring, as a 2nd bench option

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

justin :@Jason
Start Ibaka for Green and Green can be the spark off the bench. Harden’s a high lotto pick and supposedly pretty talented, you don’t keep him on the bench because some other guy can’t score… especially if it’ll help him develop.

All right, there's obviously some upper-level disturbance going on because we're agreeing WAY too much today.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

Clark Matthews :I’m sure we’ll have some different insights. For instance, *SPOILER ALERT* you make no mention of James Harden grooming his beard to look more like he has the divinity of Egyptian pharaoh. There is plenty of ground to cover.

...Rameses Harden...I'm literally speechless at such an awesome spectacle.

You may have just ruined James Harden for his entire career for me if he doesn't grow out "the Pharoah."

justin
justin 5pts

@Jason

Start Ibaka for Green and Green can be the spark off the bench. Harden's a high lotto pick and supposedly pretty talented, you don't keep him on the bench because some other guy can't score... especially if it'll help him develop.

justin
justin 5pts

James Harden post All Star Break, PER36:

15.9 PPG on 44.1% FG, 36.9% 3PT, 81% FT, 59.5% TS
5.0 RPG, 2.0 APG, 1.8 SPG

His offensive numbers were excellent after the break, especially considering the frequency he was the 2nd option on offensive with the second unit. Stick him with the starters and I think he can maintain that type of production, possibly with more assists.

He did tend to turn it over more than create for others.

Jason
Jason 5pts

@justin
I disagree. Thabo cannot be for the 2nd team what Harden can be. Thabo is on the team for his defense - not his play-making ability. With Harden starting, we dont get the offensive spark off the bench. I say that with one caveat, I think Maynor has the ability to be the play-maker off the bench. If Maynor develops more in that role, I could see moving Harden to the starting lineup.

Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts

I'm sure we'll have some different insights. For instance, *SPOILER ALERT* you make no mention of James Harden grooming his beard to look more like he has the divinity of Egyptian pharaoh. There is plenty of ground to cover.

justin
justin 5pts

I also think he should start. Unless Thabo really was bothered by an injury and can defend like he did to star the year, I don't think he has value over James Harden anymore. Teams are going to be gunning for us and the Lakers showed everyone how to defend us in the half court. Put Harden in those corners and watch our spacing get better instantly.

Jason
Jason 5pts

Harden MUST become the 2nd team play-maker. He needs to create with the dribble and become a better shooter off screens. Like J.G. mentioned, he tended to get passive sometimes, especially in the road playoffs games.

What has to be remembered, Harden was not the best 3-ball shooter in college. This was a completely new role for him. Hopefully with 1 year under his belt, he will be better prepared to step into it next season.

justin
justin 5pts

He has to finish better and be more decisive. I think Brooks kept him on too short a leash.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

Harden should have a typical rookie to sophomore improvement, i dont see any reason why he shouldnt. I wonder if he will play in any summer league stuff, it seemed to help westbrook last summer.

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