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Necessary Development – Serge Ibaka

by J.G. Marking on May 11, 2010 at 2:16 pm 128 Comments

Ibaka dunksIn case you missed yesterday’s look at James Harden, well, here’s a link. Because today is all about the man, the myth, the legend, Serge “people love me so much that they still continue to give me tons of nicknames” Ibaka.

Serge Ibaka – 6.3 points, 5.4 rebounds, 1.33 blocks, 54.3 FG%, 63.0 FT% in 18.1 minutes a game

Playoffs - 7.8 points, 6.5 rebounds, 2.0 blocks, 57.1 FG%, 70.0 FT% in 25.5 minutes a game

He only played 18.1 minutes a game and led the team in blocks. He only played 18.1 minutes a game and was ranked #1, leading all rookies, in blocked shots for the 2009 Rookie class and finished in the Top 20 in the league in blocks (#19). He was third on the Thunder in rebounds, first in FG% and 2PT% for players who took at least 5 shots a game (despite being 8TH on the team in minutes played) and was the 4th best rebounder from his rookie class despite averaging fewer minutes (just barely, Blair only avg 18.2 a game) than any other player in the Top 5 in rebounding.

Did I mention he only logged 18.1 minutes a game? Or that he finished second in FG% for all rookies, too?

In short, it’s hard to imagine a much more efficient year for a rookie big (let alone one who was learning English, adapting to a completely different culture and getting his first taste of the NBA’s speed and physicality) who was expected to spend the majority of his time in Tulsa and wound up becoming an integral part of a playoff, 50-win team, than Serge Ibaka had.

To put it mildly, Serge Ibaka had a nigh historical rookie year when it comes to efficiency for a big man. And yet he may only be scratching the surface of his potential. After all, he was supposed to be a project. One that would take 2-3 years to develop to the point where he could have any kind of impact on a game.

Try 2-3 months.

It’s that reality, that exciting mystery that captivated and continues to ensnare the imaginations and hopes of all Thunder fans when it comes to just how great the still only 20 years old big man from the Congo can become.

And that, I believe, is what excites me the most for Ibaka's development next year and beyond: He just kept getting better and better and better.

Think back, if you can, to that first glimpse of Serge in Orlando at Summer League. The athleticism, the length, the tenacity, it was all there, but A) it’s Summer League, B) he looked a little awkward and unbelievably foul prone as he was struggling to keep up with the frenetic pace that is desperate newcomers trying to either prove themselves or even make a roster and C) it’s Summer League…no one who’s been burned before by the bright lights of a practice gymnasium gets their hopes up on Summer League.

But the fact that Ibaka was one of the breakout surprise stars served notice that we might have gotten a huge steal with the 21st pick. And that the learning curve for our friendly neighborhood Chewblocka, Iblocka, Air Congo, etc was one of the highest I can remember.

In fact it’s kind of hard to remember back to the first part of the season when Ibaka saw almost absolutely no playing time at all unless there was a blowout. And when he did see the floor, oh boy, he definitely played like a guy who was expected to rock out the D-League in order to adjust to the speed and talent of this league. Though I did enjoy the foul outs because, by golly, if Serge was going to foul you there was no way you weren’t going to remember it the next day.

But by mid November, all of that started to shift a little. In fact, I can remember the very game that my eyebrows were raised in surprise at how quickly Ibaka was adapting to the NBA because despite the game being a blowout loss to the Lakers in Staples Center, you could see that the talent and distant outline of an impact player was definitely there.

Ironically, it seems this entire season was and might always be intertwined with the Los Angeles Lakers. That loss to the Lakers in November was the first and last game of the entire season before the finale against Memphis that Ibaka logged 30+ minutes on the evening of November 22nd, 2009.

His final tally: 11 points, 13 rebounds and 5 blocks.

(Side note – Serge must really like playing the Lakers because two of his three 5+ block games came against the defending champs this season; the other being the Memphis Grizzlies).

I know what you’re thinking because it was probably along the lines of what I was thinking. “Well, it was garbage time against second teamers so that has to be considered.”

Until I realized, “Wait a minute, he had 11 points, 13 rebounds and 5 blocks against ANY NBA competition?! Second teamers or not, that’s insane! Mullens isn’t even doing that in the D-League!” And yet, it was only the beginning. From there on out, Serge’s minutes varied but his role in the rotation did not. In fact, it only solidified with each passing game and his steadily improving performance.

And that, I believe, is what excites me the most for Ibaka’s development next year and beyond: He just kept getting better and better and better. At first it was only rebounds, put backs and blocked shots. But then a surprisingly sweet jumpshot made an appearance–and then a drop-step fallaway post shot–and then a head fake, up and under layup–and then his FT% steadily improved–and then, at long last, his soft put backs and lay-ins transformed into rim-rocking, bowel-shaking, “did you see that?!” slams that single-handedly broke the entire back of the city of Toronto and may have ruptured Mrs. Daily Thunder’s ears.

And then his arms became wings and Air Congo was born. And then the Lakers felt the wrath of seven, count em’ SEVEN, blocked shots in a PLAYOFF game AT STAPLES CENTER! Still improving even further into the playoffs, Serge averaged more minutes, more points, more rebounds, more blocks and better FG% and FT% in  his first ever taste of the NBA’s biggest stage.

And still, the surface is only being scratched.

Next Stage: This is hard. To be perfectly honest, I’m not even sure I can corral Serge’s development for next year into a definitive structure because he apparently has no true ceiling–and if you put one on him, he jumps right through it and past the vertical leap test device’s highest setting in the process (true story, Ibaka did that).

But that being said, I think it’s pretty obvious to all of us what Serge can improve upon and become even more effective at in his second year. For starters, Ibaka must improve his hands when it comes to receiving passes. Ibaka may have actually averaged 8 points a game if he could only catch the ball as softly as he does rebounds. But that right there is a good sign; Ibaka shows the clear capability at having soft hands by how firmly and swiftly he can grab rebounds that bounce off the rim and high into the air.

Secondly, Ibaka is still developing his offensive game even if he is light years ahead of where any of us thought he would be in terms of his jumpshot, confidence to shoot and understanding of when to attack the rim/rebound and when to layoff and wait for a missed shot to bounce off so he can jam it home without an offensive goaltending call. But there is still a lot of work to be done and I’m excited to see what kind of a back-to-the-basket game Ibaka can develop, if he can initiate his own offense in the post and if he and Westbrook begin establishing a lob/alleyoop understanding with one another that was hinted at later in the season.

Lastly, and this is one that every rookie must and usually does improve upon, Ibaka has to overcome mental lapses in focus and eliminate the tiny mistakes that can turn a game (a point unfortunately hammered home in the Game 6 playoff loss). But you know what, Ibaka will be a better player because of this season’s ups and downs because he is clearly the type of guy that knows no other way to play than to give every last drop of effort and to not be intimidated by anyone or anything.

And that may be my favorite part about Ibaka: Even though he has almost unreal athleticism, an insane skillset for his size and an enthusiasm for the game and his teammates that could power the Ford Center, what impressed and engrossed me the most about Ibaka is that no matter the opponent, the moment or anything else that could and maybe even should have intimidated him, Ibaka looked it straight in the eye and said, “Let’s do this.”

And that confidence and unwavering belief in yourself AND your teammates, not to mention always having the back of your guys to the point that you will be the enforcer of an entire franchise despite playing in only your first year—-that’s what the elite competitors have and thrive on.

And Ibaka embodies it. Probably because his entire life has been forged by conquering insurmountable odds without thinking twice about if he even could.

Prediction for the Opening Tip - You got me.

No, seriously, I have no idea. I continue to believe that Ibaka is a PF who can play some spot minutes at C on defense but whose style and build is almost strictly a PF on both sides of the court and if he is put at center full time, will not be put into a position that best utilizes his talents. Yet that will mean nothing to Brooks if he believes starting Ibaka at the 5 spot is a better option for the team than bringing him off of the bench at the 4.

Of course, I’m also the one who firmly believes that Ibaka should probably be getting the starting nod at PF if he continues to develop because his ability to influence a game and what he would bring to the starting unit (not to mention what Green could bring to the second unit) could seriously change this team’s status from a playoff contender to a potential championship contender if maybe one more small piece was added.

But that’s obviously another topic for another day, so let me wrap this up by saying that no matter where Ibaka starts off a game at (either on the bench or doing the opening tip), he will absolutely gobble up 30+ minutes a game. And because of that, I truly believe Serge Ibaka will even improve upon his efficiency next year to the tune of 10.5 points, 11.2 rebounds and 2.0 blocks a game, shooting 56.1 FG% and 72.5 FT%.

And if that does happen, then we’ll start to see just how special Serge Ibaka could really be.

Tune in tomorrow for the Surgeon General of Execution, Eric Maynor…

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kev
kev 5pts

hey Justin I need a week or two to compile all the data from the last 15-20 games and the playoffs, but I will send it to you then . . .

kev
kev 5pts

the main thing about Lebron was the interview after the game - His demeanor was like "oh well" . . .

Cancel the talk of someday LBJ surpassing MJ as being the greatest player ever . . . now there is NO chance of that happening . . .

i_Blocka
i_Blocka 5pts

Yes!!! KD is using iBlocka!

justin
justin 5pts

RT @SheedyFBabi: @KDthunderup shit,whos ur fav. nba player.(@jeff_green22)
about 14 hours ago via Echofon

Aaaah :(

justin
justin 5pts

I like this tweet:

RT @BryanNix: @KDthunderup what is the main thing you're working on this offseason?(ballhandling)

Mastrmatt
Mastrmatt 5pts

@justin

That one is good. I still like Iblocka (Durant referred to him as that last night on twitter). I understand the Air Congo, it is just too close to Air Jordan, which is an iconic nickname.

Maybe Serge could steal DJ Mbenga's since DJ never plays and no one would ever really know it was his first.

i_Blocka
i_Blocka 5pts

My favorite play of the year: Ibaka (on a switch) steals a pass from a point gaurd, dribbles down the court at full sprint, to pass it to James Harden for the slam.

It reminded me of watching Blake Griffin in college.

I freaked after that play.

justin
justin 5pts

I wish DJ Mbenga didn't have dibs on Congo Cash, that's the best nickname.

Lefty
Lefty 5pts

@Mike
Actually, I don't use it because I just don't like it? I mean, there's probably nothing wrong with it, really, but it's a personal taste thing, I guess. I don't like the word "nasty". And, really, I don't think it's a very good description of Ibaka's game. He's fun to watch. He's athletic. He makes things look easy. Honestly, I'm kind of in the camp that feels like he has a cool enough name already. I don't really think a nickname is all that necessary for him.

That said, if you like it, please keep using it!

Lefty
Lefty 5pts

@Mike
Brian Davis does!

Mike
Mike 5pts

Am I the only one that uses the nickname Dr. Nasty for Ibaka?

Mastrmatt
Mastrmatt 5pts

@justin

It was like LeBron expected the Celtics to lay down and bow to his majesty. His arrogance is really starting to annoy me. I hope Boston closes them out in Game 6, he jumps ship to NY and wins 35 games a year for the next 10 years.

justin
justin 5pts

Yeah I'm not sure how you can equate anything Durant did in the Lakers series with what LeBron just did unless you are just going off the statsheets. Even when Durant sucked on the road he looked pissed that he was missing shots, LeBron just looked like he didn't care.

Mastrmatt
Mastrmatt 5pts

@dream catcher

He didn't shoot well, but he didn't mail it in. He had a lot of good open looks that didn't fall. LeBron took contested crap shots and prayed to the officiating gods that he'd get a foul called. He expects those fouls. He expects to be treated differently. I really dislike him. It really sucks that he is such a great player. I wish Michael still had some legs. I would love to see Michael, the greatest basketball assassin, put LBJ in his place. I know people think LeBron is going to be the best ever, but I can't see him taking MJ's mantle for a long time, especially if this is how he performs in playoffs, at home, in a crucial game. MJ would have put the team on his back, filled it up for 40, had 5-6 dimes, and 6-7 rebounds, defended whoever was hot and cut the Celtics throat. LBJ can't do that ... yet.

Hopefully, KD can develop that. Durant didn't play super awesome in the playoffs, but let's see what he does next year after getting a taste this season. I really wish Kobe was playing for Team USA this year so Durant could pick his brain. He's the closest thing the NBA has to a true MJ-esqe assassin/closer. IMHO.

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

@dream catcher
He shot poorly in game 6, but check his stat line and you'll see he was one of only three Thunder players with a positive +/- and he shot 40% from 3PT land, made 14-15 free throws, grabbed 6 boards, had a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio (unreal for Durant) and even blocked shot. But more importantly, since you actually watched the game (I'm assuming you did, since I doubt any DT-er would have missed it!), you saw Durant consistently TRYING, attacking, doing anything and everything he could to help his team win.

Lebron just...existed. It was almost surreal to see the Cavs just completely fail to show up in the biggest game of the season, Lebron more than anyone else. He didn't attack, he floated to the wings and just literally stood there. Content to watch his team get handed their worst playoff home defeat in franchise history.

There's a reason they're calling it, "The Lebacle"

dream catcher
dream catcher 5pts

justin :@dream
catcher
Which crucial playoff home games did Kevin Durant do this in? The magnitude of this game and LeBron’s demeanor – at home no less. It’s mystifying.
These things happen, players sometimes aren’t focused or in the zone, we know Kevin Durant and all the good stars have bad games. But to come out in a game like this and mail it in. I think I’m safe saying that Durant will never pull one of those. Especially at home…

Durant was pretty awful in game 6.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

It's one of the most astonishing flops in playoff history. I couldn't believe what I was watching. If LeBron never wins a title or if he leaves Cleveland, this might go down as the most famous game he's ever played in, which is really just a damn shame.

@Keith
It's hard for me to separate Howard's individual value as a player and the kind of roster and system Orlando is able to install around him. How much do you credit Howard for allowing Thorpe and Van Gundy to build that team?

justin
justin 5pts

@dream catcher

Which crucial playoff home games did Kevin Durant do this in? The magnitude of this game and LeBron's demeanor - at home no less. It's mystifying.

These things happen, players sometimes aren't focused or in the zone, we know Kevin Durant and all the good stars have bad games. But to come out in a game like this and mail it in. I think I'm safe saying that Durant will never pull one of those. Especially at home...

dream catcher
dream catcher 5pts

cl arkem :@justin

KD is our scorer. Lebron is their scorer. KD doesn’t hit his first few shots and he keeps shooting. KD has never played as pathetically as Lebron did. Jacking up contested early in the shot clock J’s. Gross.

KD has been much worse then that. I've seem games where KD would hoist up 20 jumpers , not rebound, not pass, and play lazy D.

justin
justin 5pts

KD has trouble with his shot selection at times especially when he's rattled or struggling but I just got the feeling LeBron wasn't even trying for most of this game. It was surreal to watch.

justin
justin 5pts

@Keith

Yes. Insert Bosh, Lee, or Jefferson, or any of the other hopefuls into the rotation and Harden starting obviously becomes less of an issue - or really, a non issue. As long as we have a below average PF / C scoring combination, though, we can't also afford to have Sefolosha and Westbrook hoisting bricks in the backcourt with them.

I think Russ will improve his efficiency some as he matures but will never be higher than ~53% TS or so. Jeff Green, if he could shoot threes like he did last season, would be around 55% TS which isn't that bad. There's some reason to hope for improvement from existing pieces offensively but subbing in Harden for Thabo is just a much bigger difference than all those combined...

clarkem
clarkem 5pts

@justin
KD is our scorer. Lebron is their scorer. KD doesn't hit his first few shots and he keeps shooting. KD has never played as pathetically as Lebron did. Jacking up contested early in the shot clock J's. Gross.

justin
justin 5pts

Anyone watch the game tonight? Can you imagine Kevin Durant mailing in a game like LeBron just did? Unbelievable.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@Sammy
Dwight is better than Wallace or Rodman (or is at least on pace to have a better career). My main point was just that a single defender can't beat an entire offense, but a single scorer can beat an entire defense. Inherently, individual offensive performance can have greater impact than individual defense. This is why, although a top 5 player in the league, Dwight is unlikely to jump any higher into that top tier of supermegaultrastar. A scorer like Durant has that ability, although it may never be realized.

@justin
Therein lies the issue. Harden and Ibaka starting comes down to other moves not taking place. In a perfect world, we land Bosh (or someone similar who is not Bosh) and then the starting SG is much less important short term (long term Harden still takes over the starting spot).

justin
justin 5pts

Hey Kev, would you mind sharing that spreadsheet with your defensive ratings on it? I'm going through a lot of the season on synergy and wanted to see how it correlates to your scoring.

Kev
Kev 5pts

justin :D12 is one of the only contemporary centers who can average 20PPG without leaving the paint. The other is Shaq. I think his offensive game is hosed on a little too much. Relative to his competition, Dwight is a top offensive center. This is a guard’s league now.

you are right, but it's a guard league because we have too few bigs learning how to post up . . .

justin
justin 5pts

D12 is one of the only contemporary centers who can average 20PPG without leaving the paint. The other is Shaq. I think his offensive game is hosed on a little too much. Relative to his competition, Dwight is a top offensive center. This is a guard's league now.

justin
justin 5pts

If we don't get another scoring option, I think Harden's offense is more valuable to our starting lineup than Thabo's defense. Look what happened against LAL in the first quarters.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Keith
D12 might not be a great offensive threat, but he's miles above Rodman and Wallace (who, I agree, are all-time greats on the defensive end).

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Keith
I get what you're saying and, sure, you can juggle the rotations to allow Sef to always come off the bench to guard the best opposing wing. But if Harden's playing 30 min either way, it makes more sense in my mind to simplify the rotations a bit by allowing Sefolosha to start (and always get those first 6-8 min against the starting 2/3) and to allow Harden play all of the 2nd and 4th quarters (as well as bits of the 1st and 3rd) in order to give a little more balance to the second unit.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@Sammy
I never said Thabo is useless, just that Harden (especially post ASG, numbers that should more accurately show what he will be next year) was more valuable. This isn't just a random opinion, Thabo's on-off court numbers just weren't impressive (in large part because Harden replaced him when he was out).

I mean, you say Thabo should start, but that Harden should play 30 minutes. If Thabo is only playing for 15-20 minutes, how much is he really providing against an opponent's best wing player playing 40+ minutes in a tight game? Aren't you essentially saying yourself that Harden is more important? Thabo doesn't need to start to spend every minute he plays against the opponent's best wing player, there will be a lot of time to give him that job throughout the game. This way it gives Harden starting experience and improves the main scoring for our team (the starting lineup).

justin
justin 5pts

Sefolosha's a versatile player who can capably play SG/SF. I don't think benching him lowers his value that much. He can still come in and defend multiple positions, and guard an opponent's best player if required.

As far as the second unit goes.. I think we've been through this, just start Harden / Ibaka and bring Green / Sefolosha off the bench. That way your lineup with Krstic / Ibaka / Durant is big and you keep your small lineup on the bench with Green / Collison. We have a nine man rotation so one of Durant / Harden will play with the second unit anyway.

It just makes too much sense to me...

Keith
Keith 5pts

@Sammy
I'm not asking crunch time, though Howard does consistently fade. I mean throughout the game. Howard can be single guarded by athletic centers. If in doubt, foul, as he's a terrible free throw shooter.

I don't think his defense is underrated. He is the DPOY, and should be for most of his career. But even then, how much is he doing that others haven't there. Ben Wallace should be on the short list of greatest defenders ever. Rodman the same. Hakeem essentially was Dwight with more offense.

Defense will never be as individually as important as offense. You can never be truly great without both, but you can only do so much individually on defense, while you can do just about everything individually on offense (obviously only if you are near the top at either).

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Keith
If Thabo is really that useless, we should just bench him and eat his salary. I think the guy can still be an asset, but he needs to be guarding

@justin
I prefer to see is as maximizing Sefolosha's assets :)
Well, the other point is who is going to score for that second unit if not Harden? I'd like Harden to assume the Ginobli/Crawford/J.R.Smith/Gordon role. The thing is, I don't know if he's really suited to that role (I really wish we had Steph Curry for that instead...).

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Keith
How many centers in the history of the league can do what you're asking Howard to do in crunch time? The list is very very short and no one on it is less than a top 10 player of all time.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@Sammy
I think the problem is that not so many teams really require Thabo's presence for him to always be starting. I'd rather start Harden and bring in Thabo as the first sub halfway through the first quarter than just keep him starting against every team. Harden's defense is better than Thabo's offense. And given the current makeup of our lineup, Harden's offense might very well be just as important as Thabo's defense.

Thabo is a great tool for shutting down an opponent's run also. But we rarely are out in front when he's playing.

justin
justin 5pts

@Sammy

I understand this viewpoint, but it seems to pander more to Sefolosha's shortcomings. He has less value as a bench player, but I don't think he has more value as a starter than James Harden.

If we get a legitimate second option like a Lee or Jefferson or someone like that, I would happily keep Thabo in the starting lineup. Otherwise, I just see our starting lineup struggle. Especially since Serge probably gets a shot at starting.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@justin
Howard is top 5 in the league, probably right behind Lebron and Wade right now. I just don't see him ever breaking that glass cieling into the "This guys would win anywhere with anything" on being the best defender since Hakeem. There's no question that Orlando isn't even close to being a contender without him, but there's always that question of, "Who is going to step up for Orlando to win." Dwight ultimately isn't the guy that kills you in a playoff series, just the guy that fights you back when you try to kill the Magic. There's a difference there that holds back his current superstardom.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@justin
I still say bring Harden off the bench but give him the majority of the minutes at SG. Bringing Thabo in with the second unit doesn't make sense to me, since we wouldn't have the opportunity to guard the opposing team's best player.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Keith
Howard's defense is underrated, imo, and there's no question in my mind that he's the second most valuable player in the league. Look not only at what Howard does individually, but how he's able to completely dictate the composition of that team. No other team in the league could get away with the system that Orlando uses, but Orlando may just win a championship because of how the front office and Stan Van Gundy were able to maximize their asset in Howard. Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter, Hedo Turkoglu, JJ Reddick... these are all terrible defenders, yet they were able to succeed/stay successfully hidden in Orlando because their system doesn't require as much out of their perimeter defenders as, say, the Thunder's does. Orlando had the second best defense in the entire league this year; remove Howard and the team – offensively and defensively – totally falls apart.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@justin
And that is my point for this last year. I can't say he is definitely elite until he becomes a facilitator (or at least to the level necessitated by 5 on 1 defenses). Melo at least knows to pass out of a triple team. Durant doesn't yet. It could certainly be coaching too, but at some point Durant has to decide to be better.

It's kind of the Thabo dilemma. No one defends him because they know he can't score. Most teams don't need to defend ANYONE once Durant decides to drive because they know he won't pass.

justin
justin 5pts

Howard is such a singular talent in today's NBA... Orlando was number one in the league in defensive efficiency. How many good defenders are on that team? Howard and who? Mickael Pietrus?

Howard's effect on Orlando would be like if we had the number one rated offense because of Kevin Durant. It's out of this world and I don't think Howard gets enough credit for that...

justin
justin 5pts

This is one of the reasons I really hope they start James Harden. We need another consistent shooter on the floor with Kevin Durant to discourage teams from doing that. I mean.. I've seen Durant make some nice passes or pass out before and Green / Thabo / Russ just don't have the consistency to knock down open jumpers.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@justin
My ranking was based on this year alone. Paul may never be the same, Williams really isn't the scorer that most top players are, and Durant may very well be better than everyone short of Wade and Lebron. Howard, for what he is great at, doesn't strike me as the dominating player that his defense indicates. You can phase a defender out of the game by not attacking him. You can't phase out an otherworldly offensive player when they get the ball so often.

justin
justin 5pts

@Keith

Well.. there's a solid chance he doesn't, but I feel Durant will develop enough of a feel on where and when to pass off to teammates when help comes. He was not good at this at all in the LAL series, and when the going gets tough sometimes KD wants to be the hero a little too much (though I suspect this is by coach's design). He is not LeBron, Wade, or Kobe - all of which were great facilitators almost immediately. But I think he could be Melo in this sense.

This is something that has to be coached into him, though, and part of a scheme. We'll see what happens.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@justin
I suppose the problem is that it works. How many teams have focused their entire defense on Lebron or Wade or Kobe, or even Melo only for those guys to still hit their shots and take the team to victory? I have a bad feeling that more and more teams are going to just forget everyone else and attack Durant. The teams who did it this year beat us more often than not.

As said, I think he'll be there next year when he has an offseason to prepare for teams to seriously ignore everyone else.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Keith
The total package from Lebron is so far ahead of anyone else in the league that he needs to be in a category of his own. Put Wade on that Cleveland team and they don't win 61 games, but put LeBron on that Miami team and they're a lock for 50+.

As far as KD, he's in the 5-8 range for me. His assist and turnover number hold him back, as well as his inability to take over the game in crunch time (Utah game excepted). But, like Justin said, he's just such a fantastic scorer that he's up there despite those faults.

justin
justin 5pts

The only players I'd put ahead of Kevin Durant definitively for this coming season: LeBron, Howard, Wade, Paul, Williams. Kobe, I don't think he'll remain at his level much longer. Dirk's on the downswing.

I'd say Durant is easily Top 10 right now, heading into next year. I think sometimes, we look for a player to do a lot of other things, we overlook what they're doing well. Durant was an otherworldly scorer this season.

justin
justin 5pts

I have a hard time putting Hakeem ahead of Duncan. Man that's a tough one.

justin
justin 5pts

With the season Kevin Durant had, I don't think I'd use that argument to keep him from elite status. There are reasons, like not having a complete offensive game or a skill beyond scoring that consistently helps his team win (rebound or defense can get there eventually). But, he was as consistent a scorer this year as I've seen in a long time. You can't put up the efficiency #'s that Durant did without being consistent.

More than anything, I think the team defenses in question (Portland, Dallas, Lakers) had more to do with Durant's struggles. They swarmed him, trapped him, begged others to score. Portland even threw Marcus Camby onto Durant on one important possession. The degree that Durant out paced any of Melo's seasons to date, for me, puts him way ahead as a scorer.

Durant has a lot of things to work on, mainly his proclivity for turnovers, and finding that skill that puts him over the top. But I'm quite content with his ability as a scorer. Teams practically have to gameplan solely for him to stop him like the Lakers did, and the Mavs / Blazers do. That's OK to me.. it's up to his teammates to take that pressure off of him.

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  1. Outside The NBA » Blog Archive » LeBlog James, featuring the new All-OTN Team says:
    November 2, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    [...] “I’m not even sure I can corral Serge’s development for next year into a definitive structure because he apparently has no true ceiling–and if you put one on him, he jumps right through it and past the vertical leap test device’s highest setting in the process (true story, Ibaka did that).” – J.G. Marking, Daily Thunder [...]

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