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SL: Thunder vs. Bobcats game notes

by Royce Young on July 6, 2010 at 5:01 pm 122 Comments

BOX SCORE

What a game! The Bobcats beat the Thunder at the buzzer on a Jeremy Pargo runner, 86-85. HEARTBREAK IN ORLANDO. Some notes and observations:

  • James Harden looked much, much better today. He was finishing at the rim and playing much more aggressively. His jumper has been a little off, but again, that’s not really the concern. Harden is a scorer/slasher first and foremost, so him finishing at the tin is the main goal for this summer. We know he can hit a 3, even though he went 1-5 today from deep. It’s about taking contact and scoring for him. The five turnovers are a bit alarming though.
  • The offense did not run without Eric Maynor on the floor. In summer league, a point guard is the most important person on the roster. And Maynor is a pretty good one. The Thunder tried Kyle Weaver, Mustafa Shakur and even Harden a little there. Nothing really worked without Maynor. Maynor’s line: 18 points on 5 of 9 shooting, five assists, four rebounds and three turnovers.
  • Byron Mullens looked good a second consecutive day. I realize he went 2-10 from the floor but David Thorpe put it well: “Sometimes you have to see beyond the missed shots and recognize that he earned good shots with good effort.” The fact Mullens took 10 shots is actually encouraging. He struggled with aggressiveness last summer and in the D-League last year. He really committed himself to being a factor and despite the poor shooting, he still netted 12 points (8-12 from the line). However, my biggest qualm with Mullens has always been that there’s no way a 7’1 guy should be getting only three rebounds in 28 minutes, including ZERO defensive rebounds. That’s an issue.
  • After pretty much writing him off yesterday, Kyle Weaver responded with a nice game today. He went 2-5 from 3 and scored 14 points. And yet, it still didn’t really feel like he was THAT involved.
  • With Serge Ibaka out, Latavious Williams saw more minutes today. And you wouldn’t really know it. The youngster played 13 minutes and scored two points, grabbed a rebound and racked up six fouls. Impressive.
  • D.J. White can play. Offense, that is. He scored 14 on 5-10 shooting, but his defense continues to look suspect. One play comes to mind. Early fourth quarter, White flashes out top on Jeremy Pargo on a switch. The ball goes into the post and White chases it like a madman. One pass back to Pargo and he’s wide open for a 15-foot jumper. White plays hard, but he’s just not sound defensively.
  • More on Mullens: I said his hands were better yesterday. They were. Yesterday. He fumbled a number of passes today. He did however run the floor well. His finish off an Eric Maynor pass on a fast break was wonderful. To see a seven-footer run the floor like that was great. However, Mullens continues to get caught watching on the defensive end. It’s not a lack of effort, but I think he sort of forgets where he’s supposed to be.
  • OKC is shooting a ridiculous number of free throws. Yesterday, 43. Today 40. Good thing too, because the Thunder’s not shooting great from the field.
  • Props to Mark Fein today. It was just a summer league game, but he announced the thing like it was at least a regular season game. And it didn’t feel forced at all. I’m still bummed there’s no Dante and Galante, but Fein did good work today.

OKC plays at 2 PM CDT against Philly tomorrow.

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Crow
Crow 5pts

@justin

Wade shot / scored a bit better with Shaq. He also shot a bit less than he does now. I don't think playing with Bosh will improve his FG% as much or that his shots necessarily go down either.

j-mo
j-mo 5pts

But keep in mind, the Heat still have to contend with the Thunder. If LBJ lands in Miami, they'll certainly be the favorite to win it all, but there are still some very good teams left to contend with them. I believe from the Western Conference, the Thunder will be one of them next year.

Davy
Davy 5pts

@justin
agreed! I didn't mean to imply that i didn't think they would be great together. I like Wade, he seems like a guy who deserves success.

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

@justin
I agree, it will be fun to watch Wade with a little help.

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

BTW.... Thank You Kevin Durant! You just made me a pretty happy fan!!!!

justin
justin 5pts

Davy :@justin I don’t know if it is fair to compare bosh (or anyone really) to shaq. He was one of a kind if you ask me.

Shaq was on his decline by that point. Obviously, Chris Bosh is nothing like Shaq, I just meant as overall impact.

Wade's wasted a few years of his career with no help. I'm happy he'll finally have some.

Davy
Davy 5pts

@justin
I don't know if it is fair to compare bosh (or anyone really) to shaq. He was one of a kind if you ask me.

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

....with real certainty

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

justin :@Bryan
Wade is just far more efficient, better on defense at this point. Kobe’s productivity has dropped and that should continue…

I understand, I just think it’s hard to quantify Kobe’s presence on the court. I don’t know that there are many players with his ability to make coaching decisions and adjustments on the court, on the fly.

Until he starts losing in the playoffs or missing them altogether, I think it's hard to say anyone is really better.

justin
justin 5pts

@j-mo

Just my opinion. Wade won a title with non-prime Shaq as a young'un. Is Chris Bosh that much worse than 2006 Shaq?

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

I hope that the Thunder wave a contract or two, like Weaver's, so that we can have a familiar face to follow in Miami lol

justin
justin 5pts

@Bryan

Wade is just far more efficient, better on defense at this point. Kobe's productivity has dropped and that should continue...

j-mo
j-mo 5pts

justin :Wade and Bosh is better than Kobe and Gasol, IMO…

How can you say this? They've never even played together yet and Kobe/Gasol have 2 rings together!! (or is it 3?) Either way, Kobe/Gasol is proven. Wade/Bosh is promising. I'll take proven over promising any day of the week.

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

I'm not a huge Kobe fan, but I have a hard time dismissing him and saying that Wade is easily the better player.

I know Kobe is no longer in peak form, but he still finds a way to make it happen. I know part of that is due to his supporting cast, but there is no doubt he is still one of the best in the game, especially when it comes to closing out a game.

j-mo
j-mo 5pts

@Bryan
But what if LBJ lands there too? Kind of makes me think they'd be playing 3 v. 5 the entire season. Being one of the other 2 starters would be bitter sweet. You'd be an "Oh yeah.." mention but at the same time, the be one of the starters with that trio, pretty amazing.

Jeff Allen
Jeff Allen 5pts

HAHAH YES DURANTTTTTTTTTT

J.G.
J.G. 5pts

I'd say the more important comparison is:

The Lakers > The Heat

Kobe + Gasol + Phil Jackson + Artest + Bynum > Wade + Bosh + Beasley + Chalmers + filler

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

Can any of you cap-n-trade (see what I did there?)experts tell me if there is any way Miami could help the Hornets unload Paul and Okafor?

A starting line up of
Okafor
Bosh
??
Wade
Paul

If they cough up Beasley and Chalmers, does that leave them any money to pick up some other rotation players?

Albabycakes
Albabycakes 5pts

@dailythunder: KD has signed a five-year extension with OKC. 2 minutes ago via web

justin
justin 5pts

At this point, Wade is significantly better than Kobe. It's a bigger gap between him and Kobe than there is between Gasol and Bosh, to me.

I can't wait to see what Wade can do with a legitimate threat like Bosh.

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

@justin
You can make a good case either way, I think. It's a bit hard to say for sure. One pair is a proven title-holding tandem. The other is a sweet paring with a ton of potential....

Best part is, it looks like we will get to find out!

justin
justin 5pts

Wade and Bosh is better than Kobe and Gasol, IMO...

Greg
Greg 5pts

@Mark!
Not his first signifcant injury either.

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

@j-mo
Bosh/Wade < Kobe/Gasol
So, no. I don't think you're just being a homer lol

j-mo
j-mo 5pts

Am I just being a Homer when I see D Wade and Bosh team up in Miami and I think "Eh, the Thunder can still beat the Heat."?

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

Paul isn't injury prone, he was injured. There's a big difference.

Greg
Greg 5pts

I'll laugh when NY builds around 2 injury-prone stars.

Dustin
Dustin 5pts

CP3 and STAT would be a deadly combo....if CP3 could stay healthy it would similar to the situation in PHX

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@justin

If neither the Nets nor Knicks get Lebron, I wonder if they chase after Paul and try to use their cap to take on Okafor.

Greg
Greg 5pts

I think Boozer would be a great pickup for Chicago too. Especially as long as they didn't sign him to the max, but maybe they will.. stupidly.

Greg
Greg 5pts

@justin
Outside of Boozer, Chicago doesn't have many options. I could see him going there.

justin
justin 5pts

The way this offseason has gone I suppose Presi has calculated correctly... doesn't seme like we had any chance at Chris Bosh, and David Lee looks like he'll get more than I'd be willing to give him.

justin
justin 5pts

The Nets look to me like they will have to settle for Lee or Boozer. Probably Lee. Knicks better hope they get LeBron... Chicago seems most likely to strike out here. Do they sign Boozer?

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@Greg

It's not what they did, it's what everyone else didn't do: Sign Bosh

Brap
Brap 5pts

Byron Mullens did not look good at all. He couldn't make open shots. He couldn't box out for offensive rebounds. Was usually in the wrong place for defensive rebounds and when he wasn't he was easily boxed out by smaller guys. Didn't know how to screen. Couldn't defend anyone who had any quickness.

But he did try hard. And trying hard is what wins games in the NBA, not that other stuff.

Greg
Greg 5pts

I'd be interested to know how the Knicks are gaining ground. Outside of signing Amar'e, what else have they done?

ThunderHorn
ThunderHorn 5pts

Hoopsworld on James Harden: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16717

Greg
Greg 5pts

I think it's NY or Chi-town at this point.

ThunderHorn
ThunderHorn 5pts

Windhorst's tweets are by far the most interesting though.

http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider

ThunderHorn
ThunderHorn 5pts

Hoopsworld...Knicks gaining ground: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16714

Broussard saying the Knicks have made up significant ground: Knicks gaining major ground in LeBron Sweepstakes. Bosh snub hurts Cavs, though they're still in hunt

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@justin

Still a chance for NY and NJ b/c of Amare + Lopez IMO

Chicago is SOL

DXL
DXL 5pts

@Sammy
My understanding is that Cho is mostly a negotiations/salary cap expert. Troy Weaver (college players) and Rob Hennigan (international) are the two most responsible for draft evaluations under Presti's command. Those with scouting abilities are usually the ones who become GMs. Weaver was a strong advocate for Westbrook.

With Wade and Lebron staying home there are so many max slots to fill. Bulls, Nets and other teams will FIGHT to give David Lee and Carlos Boozer max deals.

justin
justin 5pts

Miami can't afford to get LeBron without trading Beasley.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

@justin

I hope all three go to miami and fail because a lack of good teammates.

justin
justin 5pts

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360134

justin
justin 5pts

Chris Broussard saying that Bosh will join Wade on the Heat. Guess this means LeBron is sticking with the Cavs?

Poor Bulls, Nets, and Knicks... LOL.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

Troy weaver? Odd. I'm waiting for (and dreading) the day I hear ron cho's been poached for some gm gig somewhere. It can't be long at this point.

Matt
Matt 5pts

No two ways about it, this loss is devastating to the OKC franchise.

The DON
The DON 5pts

Latest from twitter:

SherrodbCSN
If ex-Blazer GM Kevin Pritchard stiffs the Nets, look for NJ to target a rising star like #Thunder assistant GM Troy Weaver.

The DON
The DON 5pts

Nick Collison with a "Nenad Kristic has a posse" T-shirt....

http://dimemag.com/2010/07/nenad-krstic-has-a-posse-t-shirt/

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