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Jeff Green won’t be getting a contract extension

by Royce Young on October 28, 2010 at 2:36 pm 137 Comments

Well all knew it probably wouldn’t happen. But with Sam Presti, you never can tell. However, Jeff Green won’t be getting a contract extension before Nov. 1 meaning that he’ll become a restricted free agent next summer.

The two sides had quality negotiations and good talks, but as the time got closer to actually hammer out something specific, it kind of all fell apart.

“Signing a player to an extension is certainly a positive, but has become more unique,” Presti told The Oklahoman. “We explored the concept and had positive dialogue, but we will have to re-visit the discussions in the future. As we have consistently stated, drafting Jeff in 2007 and watching his development over the last three seasons has furthered our appreciation for his team-driven contributions on and off the floor.”

Green said he’s happy this out in the open so now he can move on and hopefully will stop getting questions on it.

So how’s this sit with you? Do you think Green should’ve been extended? Is this smart? My feeling is that it’s a very Presti-ish move not to extend Green because with the new CBA coming and the potential for players in Green’s salary bracket to get their money dropped significantly, Oklahoma City might be saving some good money here. Plus, now Jeff Green has got to prove his worth, something he really hasn’t done yet. Monetary motivation is always a good thing.

But at the same time, it’s a risk. I know the jury is still out on Green, but I want him here in OKC. Maybe not as the starting power forward (I still haven’t made up my mind there), but on the roster for sure. Now though, Presti takes the chance of letting some moron general manager out there offer up $60 million over four years to Green. And if Presti doesn’t match, then we say goodbye to Uncle Jeff.

If there weren’t so many moron GMs out there, I wouldn’t be worried. But since there’s more than enough to go around, Green could get scooped up.

However, at the same time, there’s potential for us to settle on Green’s true market value. I’m sure Green’s camp is overvaluing him right now. Maybe they’re asking for $10 million a year while Presti only wants to do $8 million per. Now there’s a chance for the open market to sort that out. Again, there’s risk in that, but this is an opportunity to determine what Green might really be worth to another team and to the Thunder.

My feeling is that Jeff Green says with this team in the future. But I could be wrong there. There have been lots of guys that have gone to restricted free agency and returned to their teams. It happens as much or more than players signing extensions. So the fact OKC didn’t ink Green isn’t a huge deal. For instance, Rudy Gay last summer. Or Al Horford this year. It happens a lot. So we’ll just have to wait and see what turns out.

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Greg
Greg 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
Wait, so you're telling me Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith are not developed assets? I kid.. I kid.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

@Sammy

I acknowledged that already. I said he has made several trades, and in every case he never included a developed asset. At the time we had Krstic and Collison with no one in development. Since then we have filled our roster with assets at every position. I expect Presti to go with what he has developed, and if that guy doesn't work out, he'll replace him with the next guy in line rather than trade him. If Presti were to trade Jeff, I would imagine he would take draft picks in return over an established player.

Like I said, it's just what I expect to happen. Not saying it's the best idea or the best way or the smartest way - just only what I expect to happen.

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

He wasn't giving anything of value up for Chandler.

Greg
Greg 5pts

Sammy :@Jax Raging Bile DuctPresti was willing to pull the trigger on Chandler…

I think people tend to forget this.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
Presti was willing to pull the trigger on Chandler...

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Sammy :@Jax
Raging Bile Duct
If we have a developed asset that we don’t want to re-sign, wouldn’t it make sense to trade it for another developed asset that’s a better fit?

Yes it makes sense, it's just that I expect him to promote from within instead. I just think he would rather have his guy that he developed than to trade for someone else.

My expectations aren't based on what I think is smart to do or what makes sense - just general observations.

Sam
Sam 5pts

@Gavin

even though the decision not to extend Green now is a reflection of a need for a traditional post-player, I can't think of a player outside of Love, Horford, or Gasol that I'd take over Green. Memphis and Atlanta will probably match any and every offer for Gasol and Horford respectively, though. If we get rid of Green to make room for Love, I'm fine with that. If it becomes a matter of losing green for Yi jianlian or troy murphy, though, i'd be a little disappointed.

AC
AC 5pts

I think the key to everything is that we already have our PF of the future.... Durant. It's not necessarily smallball with Durant at PF, he's like a million feet tall. I'm just waiting for Super Durant to emerge in 2015, when he'll be 250 lbs of muscle and he starts for us at center. It will happen.

Kivman
Kivman 5pts

@shiki
From ESPN rumors (Green+Cook+2 first rounders for Love+trash...get 'er done!!!):

When the Minnesota Timberwolves shipped Al Jefferson to the Utah Jazz this offseason, the belief was that the move was made to make power forward Kevin Love -- who didn't fit well alongside the similarly-skilled Jefferson -- a focal point of the team in 2010-11.

Well, that didn't last long. Love was benched for the final eight and a half minutes of the T-Wolves' one-point loss to the Sacramento Kings on Wednesday. Love finished with only 24 minutes, while reserve Anthony Tolliver played 28. Coach Kurt Rambis said the move had to do with Tolliver's stellar defensive play, and not anything that Love -- widely considered to be his team's best player -- was doing wrong.

However, Tom Ziller of FanHouse.com notes that the Love-less defense gave up 18 points on 16 possessions down the stretch with the power forward out of the game. Ziller adds that with the move making little practical sense, it appears as though Rambis is trying to somehow distance himself from Love. "I'm sitting here wondering how long it will be until K-Love is run out of town the way Al Jefferson was," Ziller writes.

Love didn't talk to reporters after the game, but it's safe to say that the forward is unhappy with being banished to the bench during the game's most critical portion. If this situation doesn't get fixed quickly, it wouldn't be shocking to see Love start to clamor for a trade.

Dave
Dave 5pts

I don't hate on Green, but he's most likely gone after this season. He will make too much money with his next contract. He should be traded for picks (and expirings), as guys like Love or Horford will probably not happen (unfortunately).

Still...there's trouble in Minnesota with Kevin Love. He's upset - rightfully so. I don't believe how underrated he is. Green + Aldrich + a pick for him? Let's do that any day! He's the second best young PF behind Griffin. The Thunder should do everything to get him. This team would be huge with Love down low.

Also, don't worry about Miami. They'll be good. Very good.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Gavin :@Crow

Actually, I prefer if we can keep Green with reasonable contract.

I understand that. I am not closed-minded about keeping Green depending on contract and future minutes.

On Bosh- Miami probably needed an elite big of some kind to be able to compete with / beat Boston, Orlando, LA and maybe San Antonio or others. I don't think James goes to Miami unless it was Wade and Bosh also there. Maybe there was another way to spend the money better but Riley and those guys wanted to try the trio. For the sizzle and the steak.

Gavin
Gavin 5pts

@Crow
Actually, I prefer if we can keep Green with reasonable contract. Those replacement players are options for competitor teams before throwing money to Green :-D

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

I like green I hope we can keep him. We are probably going to lose Maynor 2.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Jerebeko appears to do better personally and team-wise at PF than SF. Health will be a tricky thing to gauge.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@Gavin

Both Green and Presti will have some choice in what goes down.

Thad Young and Jeff Green will compete to get offers.

Glen Davis doesn't look good on Adjusted +/-.
Neither did T Chandler. Will watch what they do this year.

Jerebko and Moute seems like Thunder types.

I like Dudley.

shiki
shiki 5pts

@andromeda
I dont think they need Aldrich because they have Darko and Pekovic.And they have many SFs now.What they need is SG and we have Harden,but do you want to trade Harden for Love?I dont.
BTW, it is strange that Rambis didn't give Love many minutes in their first game and Love was not glad.

Gavin
Gavin 5pts

@Crow
Yes, they have invested some serious money for Outlaw. They also need to pay Lopez, Williams and Favors in near future.

Now that I have listed potential Thunder competitors for Green. I try to list some replacement players for Green.
- Thad Young (RFA)
- C Brewer (RFA)
- Horford (RFA) - maybe
- Thornton (RFA)
- Carl Landry
- Z Randolph
- Kirilenko
- Melo
- Glen Davis
- Perkins
- C Butler
- T Chandler
- Kenyon Martin
- Jerebko
- T Prince
- Battier
- M Gasol (RFA)
- G Oden (RFA)
- L Moute
- T Murphy
- W Chandler (RFA)
- Dudley (RFA)
- Yi (RFA)

Crow
Crow 5pts

Big year for Indy. If they don't improve to 35-40 wins I'd think some big changes are coming or should come.

Big year for a lot of teams.
Including Houston.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Damion James seemed like a decent pick for them to be a role player but too early to say much yet.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@Gavin

It will interesting to see what kind of year Outlaw has and if the Nets really believe in him or if he ends up being trade currency soon or at least attempted trade currency.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@andromeda

That is a big offer but they will quickly turn down most offers that aren't big.

I'd guess it would depend on how Aldrich looked at mid-season and how good the pick was. For both sides.

Gavin
Gavin 5pts

Barring any trades, these are teams that may give Green big contract next year:
Indiana, Minny, Nets, Knicks, Kings and Wizards. Maybe Rockets (if Yao Ming is renounced) and Griz (if Randolph is renounced).
Indiana have Granger at SF and need a PF. And they have Paul George as well
Minny have Love and Beasley and PF and SF.
Nets have Favors at PF and need an SF
Knicks will go for Melo
Kings have Thompson and Landry.
Wizards have Blatchey, Yi and Thornton.

Crow
Crow 5pts

I assume Memphis will work hard to extend Gasol next summer.

What they do with Randolph is more of an open question. Pay big to re-sign fast, wait and pay only what they have to if they feel like it after other business and considering other options, or renounce interest? I'd think the middle or latter courses of action are more likely but they like their starting lineup.

andromeda
andromeda 5pts

What about Green + Aldrich + pick for Love?

Crow
Crow 5pts

@Gavin

Yes on both.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@shiki

I really like Varejao. I like Nick too (both are smart defenders and helpful role players on offense with good on Adjusted +/-) but going forward I'd like Varejao more. Varejao is pretty close to the ideal balance between size and speed for a big.

I doubt the Cavs trade him unless they get a star back. I read that somewhere and I agree with it.

Package deals can make a trade win-win more often than 1 for 1.

There are a lot of win-win deals that could be done but GMs only agree on a few.

Green and one of Collison / Krstic / Mullens might get more interesting offers than 1 for 1.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

I would love Marc Gasol

Gavin
Gavin 5pts

@Crow
Is Marc Gasol on rookie contract? Splitter?

shiki
shiki 5pts

Daniel Plainview :@Crow

I was just trying to think of who needed an SF and has a surplus of PF/C

Anderson Varejao of Cavaliers.But I dont know whether he is better than Nick for thunder

Crow
Crow 5pts

@Daniel Plainview

Despite what I said it still is a worthwhile idea to look at.

If they plan to use Jefferson to rest Ginobili and if they are happy with Splitter they could want a Green, especially if they feel they are 1 piece and that kind of piece away from glory. I don't think they think that way but who knows. If they could get somebody like Green and a center they'd probably be willing to move Blair and whatever else was needed. They are certainly on the 3 point bandwagon and perhaps the more offense even if it costs some of defense bandwagon too though they still try to achieve elite status on both.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

Being that would be our most practical strategem

Crow
Crow 5pts

With Bonner and Jefferson re-signed I am not sure Green is needed there, at least until they decide to go young.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

@Crow
I was just trying to think of who needed an SF and has a surplus of PF/C

justin
justin 5pts

Crow :Gerald Wallace and David Lee fairly paid? Or one or both under paid compared to the fairly numerous other “overpaids”?

I'd say both are fairly compensated if they keep up their present level of productivity through their respective contracts.

We know what KD is going to get, we know Russ will get paid. The question about Green is more a question about context than anything. The $$$ to keep him might be better served going toward someone with a different skill set. So he might be worth X amount of $$$ relative to other players, but he probably isn't worth that amount to the Thunder.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

I also predicted before this season started if Miami is hovering around 500 after 30 games, that they would trade Bosh. Hes been a relative non-factor. I can see them trading him for 2 better role players. Im so glad he isnt here. I cant stand him and his midsummer stage hollering

Crow
Crow 5pts

@Daniel Plainview

Hard to see the Spurs shifting their plan to go that way.

Blair is a nice value.

Crow
Crow 5pts

You can be a good player and get under $8 mil.

There is at least one mistake on that draftexpress list. John Salmon is at $8 million not near $14 million. A scorer near 20 pts a game last season. Fair or a bargain? I want to say fair given what I think of him as a total player for the long-run but in a crazy market it is a bit harder to choose between the labels.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

What about Green for Blair?

Crow
Crow 5pts

Gerald Wallace and David Lee fairly paid? Or one or both under paid compared to the fairly numerous other "overpaids"?

Crow
Crow 5pts

@andrew

@justin

I noticed those names.
I'd also mention Varejao, Scola and maybe K Perkins.

There will always be over paid and underpaid and over and under paid for today and perhaps it will look different down the line.

Another question could be in the $7-12 million band who are good examples of being "fairly" paid? Not too high or low.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

@girlballer
What we can hope for is someone who needs and wants to use Green at Small Forward which he is far more suited for. The Nets need a small forward. Who else does? Golden State? Minny (I jest)

justin
justin 5pts

I think Green could be worth ~$9-$10 million to a team that will start him at SF.

shiki
shiki 5pts

Which teams wants to get Green and give him more money than thunder?
Hornet(they need a player to replace Peja),Nugget(if melo leave),Cavaliers,Knicks or Nets(one of them who dont sign melo next summer)

andrew
andrew 5pts

@Crow
Odom is at 8.2 million.

justin
justin 5pts

Crow :Here is a question though. Who you think it is the best player not on a rookie contract making less than $8 million this season?

Andre Miller, Jameer Nelson, Paul Millsap are three that come to mind for me.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Here is a question though. Who you think it is the best player not on a rookie contract making less than $8 million this season?

Crow
Crow 5pts

Draftexpress has this salary chart by position.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-player-salaries/position/2010/

Rudy Gay is the 10th highest paid SF. The amount he is getting paid seems outrageous but he is probably better than nearly all more than 5 spots below him.

Lamarcus Aldridge is 19th among PFs.

David Falk is probably using guys like this as reference points. Or at least Deng and Diaw.

I am not going to peg the right level to offer or accept. I mainly just sharing the link for what it may be worth to others.

girlballer
girlballer 5pts

@Ozark
Former "Oil Capital of the World" meet CURRENT "Natural GAS Capital of the World"

just sayin....

And BTW, my two cents on Jeff Green and his contract negotiations (and lack thereof) are this;

1. If Presti is known (worshiped) for anything, it is his Spock-like intellect, and coldly-calculating business sense. NO WAY was he going to over-pay Green, no matter how much he loves/respects him as a player. Anybody remember how fast he cut Desmond Mason's contract negotiations, despite him being such a great guy/leader/community favorite?

2. Jeff Green HIMSELF is a smart, educated, cool-headed Georgetown guy who I am sure knows WAY more than anyone that after the CBA is finalized, his, and everyone else's, "market value" is going to change--and not for the better. He knows it isn't personal, and if we all know this about Sam Presti, you can bet Mr. Green does too.

3. BUT, what is still up for debate, is what do the REST of the NBA team GM's think Jeff Green is worth? I feel certain Presti will match any "reasonable offer" that matches within 3-5% of the value that Presti thinks JG commands. But I don't think he will pay one red cent more. IF Green/his agents can get someone else to pay more, then it will be on Jeff to decide what it means for HIM to stay with the Thunder.

It's going to be really interesting.... I think he stays.

Ozark
Ozark 5pts

Damn, I wasn't aware of this Devon tower thing. Impressive. Now we won't even be able to gloat at OKC over our superior skyline anymore...

Whats got into you guys?

Arbiter
Arbiter 5pts

Joe :<
So while he (Green) will NOT get the big big money (ala KD or Gay)he will have to just be very mature (which I think he will) and see that taking 7-8 million next year and staying in the happy place is much better than taking the bigger money elsewhere (if it’s offered) and having to deal with a potential chemistry cesspool like Minny or Memphis or something and having overwhelming expectations placed on him>

You'd think so. But too often people go for the money instead of job satisfaction. Ariza is recent horror story in that respect.

I think Carmel Anthony is over-rated. But he gets props from me because he's going to give up big bucks to live where he wants (and make wife happy, too).

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