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Thunder bags the Bucks 82-81

by Michael Kimball on November 20, 2010 at 10:53 pm 88 Comments

AP Photo/Morry Gash

BOX SCORE

Well that was ugly. Really ugly. But the Thunder figured out a way to get an 82-81 win in Milwaukee to close a 2-0 road trip with Kevin Durant and Jeff Green on the bench. Oklahoma City sits at 9-4 and will finish the night no worse than tied for first place in the Northwest Division.

It’s hard to say what affected shooting percentages for the Thunder and Bucks more: ugly offense or good defense. Milwaukee shot 38 percent for the game and Oklahoma City shot 37 percent. The Thunder’s 8-14 performance from beyond the arc proved a huge difference, with the Bucks shooting only 3-17. This is the kind of game that coaches probably won’t even spend much time watching film. Just too ugly. Throw the film away.

Unless, of course, an assistant coach might want to take some time to corner James Harden on the plane ride home and go over his minutes to show him what it looks like when he’s playing good basketball. I’m hard-pressed right now to think of a bigger game Harden has had in an Oklahoma City uniform. Harden finished 6-8 on 3-pointers and scored 23 points, only three shy of his career best. The Beard also had nine rebounds and four assists against just four turnovers, and although he missed all five of his 2-point shots, a little luck could have changed that. Harden played solid defense, was decisive and hit his open 3-pointers, which is what the Thunder needs him to do if they’re going to contend in the West this season.

But overall there was still plenty to fret about, even though I think focusing on many negatives on a 2-0 road trip without your best player is pretty much picking nits. Oklahoma City allowed Milwaukee to hang around throughout the fourth quarter, thanks to more maddening play calling (and/or play execution) on critical possessions. Too many isolation plays again, or at least plays where Russell Westbrook would dribble around for awhile before shooting a contested jumper.

I thought a sequence beginning around the 3-minute mark summed up the night pretty well. The Thunder offense started to get bogged down with the no-pass or few-pass possessions, but Oklahoma City came out of a timeout with some great ball movement to get a wide-open Harden 3-pointer from straight away. A couple of possessions later, Nick Collison came up with a gigantic steal (by fronting the much larger Andrew Bogut) that gave the Thunder a chance to get a huge bucket with time winding down. But Westbrook lofted another contested jumper and the steal was wasted.

Westbrook later hit the two most important free-throws of the night to more or less seal the win for Oklahoma City, much like Friday night’s game in Boston. And that — the win — is really what matters.

NOTES

  • The unimaginative fourth quarter playcalling (and/or execution) from the Boston game showed early in this game as well. It didn’t come as Westbrook jumpers this time, but two missed shots for Thabo Sefolosha from behind the arc. Not really how you want to start of the game. But Sefolosha was otherwise pretty solid on the offensive end, hitting half of his remaining eight shots and finishing with 10 points. Plenty of disruption on the defensive end showed up on the stat sheet through three steals.
  • The rest of the first quarter featured the best offense of the night from the Thunder. Some good ball movement, some Harden threes and Westbrook drives to the basket is good offense when KD and Uncle Jeff are on the bench.
  • Royal Ivey got action in the first quarter for what I think was the first time this season. Ivey played some good on-ball defense and acquitted himself well in 18 minutes.
  • Eric Maynor continues to shoot well. Two-of-three from downtown and 5-8 overall for 12 big points. He had a rare poor showing handling the ball though with four turnovers.
  • Harden also had a game-high 40 minutes. I’d be shocked if that’s not a first for him in the NBA.
  • Who had the second-most minutes? Collison. He also drew two more charges, so he’s averaging one per game now. That’s awesome. Is anyone really surprised the Thunder’s defense improved significantly when he came back from his leg injury?
  • It was a ghastly night offensively for Westbrook. The 6-3 assist-to-turnover ratio is nice, and it would be hard to expect more than six dimes out of him when the team shoots so poorly. But he was 5-18 from the field, which was at least slightly mitigated by a perfect 8-8 night from the stripe. I feel like his outside shooting will come back around once KD is back in the lineup and he reverts to the No. 2 scoring option.
  • Serge Ibaka also had a quiet night. He struggled with foul trouble, but made an impact on the defensive end late in the game when he came up with a key block. The relatively quiet two-game stretch may remind us that the days of Ibaka being a consistent double-double guy are still a ways off.
  • D.J. White finished with a team-high two blocks to offset his 1-6 shooting night. I didn’t realize his shooting was that bad until I looked at the stat sheet. His played admirably on defense with Ibaka on the bench.
  • I heard the Fox Sports Oklahoma crew mention that it was the opening night of deer season in Wisconsin. I looked it up, and turns out that tonight was indeed the first night of gun season for white-tailed deer up there. So the Thunder bagged some Bucks themselves. Nice.
  • Is it just me, or does Harden have a high number of those stutter-step travels? He had another one tonight.

Here’s hoping Durant is back as soon as possible, but Oklahoma City is owed a big tip of the cap for gritting out a couple of road wins.

Next up: Minnesota on Monday.

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L.A.Sports
L.A.Sports 5pts

I dont care how good he shot in the last game Harden does NOT need to start over Thabo. bringing him off th bench is the best option, Thabo is better at getting to the rim (and actually making those shots) then Harden is. Harden hitting 3s like that will be rare and the drop on defense with Harden starting over Sef would be counter productive. Sef is a better defender, passer and finisher at the Rim than Harden is PERIOD.

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

@UhOhThrees
Did you watch that game vs boston? Iam only pointing 1 finger for that horrible down the stretch 4th quarter at 2 people. Westbrook/Brooks Did you watch the last game? Team ball cures all. Our insufficient scoring is not for the lack of talent and playmakers. Its for the lack of spreading the wealth. Its kinda of obvious if you look at the past couple of games. Westbrooks gassed out performance is self inflicted and mental breakdown and coaching ability of Brooks.

UhOhThrees
UhOhThrees 5pts

As a rule of thumb the scoring is done by the big 3. Team ball is more people getting involved. Example Thabo avg's is 28:20 mpg and 5.3 ppg. Just think improvement can be made by the rest of the team so we are not so one dimensional. In the Boston game the last 12 drives we came up empty handed because Westbrook had to caryy this team and he was about out of gas. Here's entire team's offensive production:

mins/PPG

KD 40/28, RW 37/23.5, JG 38/18 ,SI 29:41/11.5,JH 26/8.8. NK 26/7.5, EM 15:34/6.5, TS 28:20/5.3. NC 21/4.6 ,DW 9:29/3.3 , RI 11:46/2.8 ,DC 9:35/2.1 , CA 9:35/1 , BM 2:46/o , MP 3:20/0

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

@okc baby
And we have a strong bench

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

@UhOhThrees
No, Thunder need to figure out how to continue to play Team ball

jdstorm
jdstorm 5pts

@Mark! @thomas

I think durant's defensive struggles can be linked to energy and effort. KD has been trying so hard on offense, to the point where he has been ball hogging. but it has sapped his energy for the defensive end.

I expect KD to go back to playing more off the ball when he returns, giving Westbrook and Harden more chances to handle the ball, and Hopefully harden more shots. this will also allow KD to give more effort on the defensive end, creating turnover points making us much better

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@UhOhThrees

Maynor stepped up in the last two games as well. And Ibaka has been pretty good offensively since Green's been out.

I'm not saying our team is perfect. We definitely need some continuity out of Harden here, but I think we have some very good pieces right now. It's more a matter of how to put them together and use them than not having anything at all.

I agree 100% we'd be much better off with a strong offensive post player who could get some rebounds, but I think this team proved it has a strong bench these past couple games w/o KD.

UhOhThrees
UhOhThrees 5pts

What the Thunder needs is bench players with more offensive production. KD ,Westbrook, Green seem to be the only players with a knack for scoring. Now Harden stepped it up last night but Thunder needs to focus on getting more Big-time scorers period because frankly KD & Westbrook need to rest sometime. When those guys sit the bench the offensive production drops off big-time. I say bring in some players from the 66ers that can score if the bench can't pick it up more.

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

I also think the team really missed Collison. Interior defenders do all the talking and directing on that end. Since he came back, the Thunder have been rotating better, hedging better and fighting through picks better. I think Nick has a lot to do with that.

Bryan
Bryan 5pts

I hope so. Ddurant is a really capable defender, but he has not shown it this year. Hopefully this time off and the team's defensive successes will wake him to the fact that his effort and focus have been lacking. My guess is that he will have something to prove when he comes back.

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@thomas

He might be tired, but two biggest contributors IMO are lack of effort & lack of focus. I don't think this all lies at Durant's feet tho. I think the coaching staff hasn't done as good a job drilling rotations on defense either.

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@Jenner

I dunno. We definitely played better defense against Boston and Milwaukee than we have been, but we have the 5th worst opponent eFG% so far this season. We're better than the Wizards, Clippers, Kings and Grizzlies; we're slightly worse than the Raptors, Suns and T'Wolves. Not an auspicious list.

thomas
thomas 5pts

@Jenner

Its crazy what good defense does :D.

Durant has been such an abysmal defender this year after a good year last year. With Green out as well, the defense was bound to improve.

By the way, why has Durant been so poor this year as compared to last year on that end of the floor. Is it because we arent hiding him as well? Is it effort, or does he just look tired? Maybe this injury and the time off are just what he needs.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

@f5alcon

Good call. I'd still go with the Blake dunk.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

Lineup +/- data from 82 games.

Westbrook-Sefolosha-Durant-Ibaka-Krstic (+32) 98.1 minutes
Westbrook-Sefolosha-Durant-Green-Krstic (-15) 97.1 minutes

The stats just do not like Green.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Zackery
better than the serge alley oop?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPmfaggelRE

Jenner
Jenner 5pts

It's almost as if the thunder suck other teams into their vortex of horrible shooting.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

@Zackery

Yep. Dylan has a link to the dunk on the previous comment page. I wish Green could dunk like Griffin.

Zackery
Zackery 5pts

Off topic: Did anyone see that Blake Griffin dunk over the Knicks player last night? Easily dunk of the season thus far. Griffin is sooooo sick...

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

@thomas

Just to be clear, I was responding to jack's idea to start Harden over Durant. I'm not against Harden starting over Sefolosha. Honestly, I'm fine with either starting.

justin
justin 5pts

@dj

Ibaka came on slowly last year, and Aldrich isn't needed with Collison playing so well. Aldrich wouldn't have done as well as Collison did on Bogut last night.

Aldrich will get minutes as the season goes, I expect. Krstic has had a rough start but he's still a key part of the offense sometimes.

dj
dj 5pts

A win is a win. That's good. But I have to continue to question Brooks' ability to manage developmental minutes. Coach has to learn to get more than nine guys into the game when he has such a young roster. Especially Cole Aldrich. Brooks is so focused on "win now" that he's forgeting another key part of his job... develop the kids. Krstic is not the future. But Aldrich won't be ready to step up unless he gets some court time. And from the limited minutes I've seen Aldrich play this season he certainly derserves to be out there.

justin
justin 5pts

Harden's played better but Thabo had a couple nice games too against these teams.

I think we're better off with Harden and Ibaka starting, seems more balanced to me.

thomas
thomas 5pts

@DizzyDai

Despite the offensive indecision, it was clear that Harden is ready to play against starting lineups defensively. Having him out there spaces the floor and provides another willing passer. There are indeed arguments all around. At the very least, Brooks should have some new lineups he can use when Durant is out of the game that can be effective... but knowing his rotations, im not confident about this.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

@jack

That's not solid logic. Ibaka has produced in his starts. Harden, for the most part, has struggled.

Ibaka will provide more blocks and rebounds to our starting line up. Something our frontcourt sorely needs (since have a Krspy Cream-puff as our starting center).

Green would be a scrub wrecking ball as a 6th man.

The move would benefit both players. Why wouldn't you do it?

justin
justin 5pts

Wilt's acheivements aren't as crazy when you see how many FGA were attempted in his day.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

It's crazy to think Wilt got to 20k in only 7 seasons.

I think Jordan and Wilt were both 29 when they reached 20k.

LeBron was on pace to score 20k around the age of 28. I'm curious if he can still pull that off.

jack
jack 5pts

With the thunder at 2-0 with durant out and harden starting, and considering that they beat boston in boston after losing to them at home; we should begin discussing starting harden over durant. Or maybe we should just end the discussion about starting ibaka over green.

Sas
Sas 5pts

@DizzyDai
Agreed with all three points. I do think that, given what we've seen so far about how the heat are playing, his ppg average will be lower than previous years, but 4445 is only 1500 a year. Shouldn't be a problem.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

Wade's injuries blew that chance for him. Even if wade scores 2400 points over the next few seasons he still will come up short.

Even in his current role LeBron should be able to score another 4445 points over the next few years.

I can't see Melo putting up three 2300+ seasons. The highest scoring season for Melo was just 2122 points.

Patrick James
Patrick James 5pts

@Mrs. Daily Thunder

Only Saturday in the fall he wears orange, I'd guess.

Sas
Sas 5pts

@justin
Gotcha. It happens.

I had to close the tab to basketball reference, before I got sucked into the world of playing with that player finder.

justin
justin 5pts

@Sas

For some reason I had minutes played instead of points.

Sas
Sas 5pts

@justin
Wade's only at 12242 through the same period as LeBron. Melo's actually more likely; he's at 13028.

Sas
Sas 5pts

@DizzyDai
LeBron might join that club if he finishes strong over the next couple of years. He's at 15555 right now from 2004-2011.

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

Westbrook playing bad. Ibaka having an off night. Krstic not shooting well. KD and Green out. We have alot of athletes that can step up. Hopefully this is an eye opener for the team. We dont have to rely on are stars players when they are struggling

justin
justin 5pts

@DizzyDai

Wade and LeBron will both get there, too.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

If I'm not mistaken only Chamberlain, Jordan, Robertson, Kareem, Dr. J, and Karl Malone have scored over 20k in their 1st ten seasons.

If KD can average 28 points in 75 games over the next 7 seasons he should be able to join that group.

Yes, I'm bored.

Chuck
Chuck 5pts

About 7 or 8 minutes a game would be perfect for Krystic. And perhaps KD is picking up some clues on how to play tough, hustling defense. He seems totally disinterested this year on the non-offense end. And if White develops an offensive game, Green will be totally dispensable; He still can't guard a quality player over 6'6.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

Speaking of Pierce... With all the hoopla about Pierce's 20k points. I'm kinda curious how long KD will take to rack up 20k. Durant already has over 6k and he's only played 3 years.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

@justin

Pierce has some nice pump fakes and hesitation moves. Perhaps Harden should study Pierce's game.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

@Mrs. Daily Thunder

Ha! Forget basketball. Royce had to go kill sumthin'. :)

justin
justin 5pts

@DizzyDai

Harden shoots the jumpers a lot like Pierce does.

Mrs. Daily Thunder
Mrs. Daily Thunder 5pts

@f5alcon

This is why Royce is gone.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

I do not like Russell's leaning jumpers. He tends to be more accurate when he squares up and elevates.

The midrange shooting for Ibaka, Krstic, and White was off. Ibaka's shots looked a little more contested. Krstic was missing wide open shots. :(

I love when Harden shoots without hesitation. He should try to pentrate and pass a little more often. Or even pull up like Westbrook.

One thing I've noticed about about Harden's shot is that he doesn't elevate much at all. That's why a few of his mid-range attempts get blocked. Jump James! It's called a jump-shot for a reason. ;)

I didn't see Mo, Cook, or Mullens. It looks like Brooks is favoring Ivey for bench help from deep. I'm starting to think Ivey might stick around next season too.

The Sefolosha putback was sweet!

Thomas
Thomas 5pts

@Keith
I just hope it will give Brooks a little more confidence in some of the backups. D.J. White, Royal Ivey, those guys have shown they can contribute. If guys ahead of them in the depth chart get in foul trouble or get injured he knows he can put them in instead of going to some goofy lineup like having Thabo at the PF position or having Durant bring the ball up.

Keith
Keith 5pts

The only thing that worries me is that the last time we had KD-Green out, the same things happened. We won a few games by the role players stepping up and the defense locking down. After they came back that year, the role players went back to never shooting and the defense didn't keep up the intensity. I'm hoping that's not the case this year, but the rest of the team really does play completely differently when they have it in their heads that Durant will save them.

shiki=4 seasons
shiki=4 seasons 5pts

We won because we were better than Bucks.Our bench depth is better than we thought.They did great job in these 3 games.
And Bucks is the worst offense team.Their FG% were very low,34% against 76ers and 37% against us.They are not a good team now.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

We have 2 wins over Portland.
Didn't see the clips game last night nut o did see Blakes first points in the pros and it was a monstrous alley oops dunk that made me think.dunking was cool again

justin
justin 5pts

@Thomas

Not with Collison healthy, is my guess. Collison played great.

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