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Thunder take care of the 76ers, 109-103

by Royce Young on November 10, 2010 at 10:50 pm 95 Comments

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All things considered, this is a good win for the Thunder. For a team trying to find itself on both ends of the floor, at this point, beating anybody by any margin, is good.

That doesn’t mean that a 109-103 win over a now 2-6 Sixers squad shouldn’t have been a 15-point victory. Because it should’ve been. The Thunder had the 76ers down by 10 and 11 a number of times, but never got the stops, the rebounds or the baskets to officially put the game out of reach. A bother, definitely. But winning ain’t easy, especially when you’re not playing anywhere near your best.

But I think the Thunder found something offensively in this one. They finished with just 17 assists, which isn’t great by any means, but the ball movement was much improved. One possession stands out in my mind right now – in the first quarter, the Thunder moved the ball slickly around the perimeter, finally snapping a pass to James Harden for 3. We haven’t seen that kind of team ball at any point for over a week.

And the guy that deserves the credit for getting them going is Russell Westbrook. His line is stellar – 31 points on 11-19 shooting, 12 assists and five rebounds (and seven turnovers) – but Westbrook really pressed the action for the Thunder. He was determined to get them into sets, to get them moving and to get them energized. I think that’s potentially a reason for his seven turns. He was forced to force it, if that makes sense.

It got closer than it should’ve been in the last six minutes though largely in part to horrible defense. The Thunder completely lost Jodie Meeks four times and he made them pay with four 3s. Evan Turner went to the rim with relative ease. There were breakdowns that allowed easy baskets, open looks and in turn, lots of Philly points. OKC made the stops when it needed them, but had the Thunder just played a little better defense on three or four possessions, they win this one by double-digits.

It’s kind of a thing OKC is getting a knack for. Big plays in big moments. Which is definitely a good, good thing. For instance, one second on the shot clock with the Thunder up three, 2:30 left in the game. OKC is inbounding at half court. Scott Brooks calls timeout, sets up something and wouldn’t you know it, Thabo finds Westbrook on an alley-oop for a layup as the 24 expired. Instead of a big turnover or stop for the Sixers, it’s a five-point lead with two minutes left for the Thunder.

NOTES:

  • Another large play down the stretch was KD’s baseline drive for an and-1. That essentially iced the game. It was about darn time too. That was KD’s only field goal in the fourth and largely, the Thunder didn’t run things through him. It was kind of the Russell Westbrook Show and for good reason.
  • I thought other maybe than opening night, the Thunder looked more Thunder-ish in this one than any other game. Durant scored, Westbrook created, the team was unselfish and players made big plays. Throw in some better defense and it would’ve been a really good game.
  • Part of Philly’s small comeback can be credited to the fact I think OKC started sleepwalking a bit in the fourth. The help defense got lazy, players stopped moving and the Sixers hit some shots. Comebacks happen in the NBA. The fact OKC didn’t give it all away is what’s good.
  • KD was kind of bad defensively tonight. He got completely beat by Andres Freaking Nocioni three different times for a transition dunk. He didn’t fight hard through picks and didn’t rotate all that well. I’m not going to say he was tired, but it kind of looked like he was taking it easy on that end tonight. I guess you feel you can kind of do that when you’re guarding Nocioni though.
  • James Harden showed a few flashes. He was energized and it came through. He scored nine points in 21 minutes and was aggressive, instead of looking unsure like he has the past few weeks. He didn’t shoot the ball great, but that’s no worry to me. Seeing him play with more confidence is far more important.
  • OKC went 35-37 from the line tonight. Zoinks. The Thunder leads the league in free throw shooting and when you look at it, it’s quite a weapon. A lot of teams give games away at the line. OKC on the other hands, takes them away.
  • Durant forced things a bit offensively. He had two airballs off stand-still jumpers and he chucked three contested 3-pointers that just weren’t great looks. He finished with 31 on 18 shots in the end, but that was mainly because he went 16-16 from the stripe.
  • Jrue Holliday is a nice player. He’s going to be a solid point guard here in a time not too far away.
  • Count me a big fan of Serge Ibaka’s mid-range game. His jumper looks smooth and confident and they’re going in! That’s the best part! Starting for Jeff Green again, Ibaka was good – 12 points, seven rebounds and FOUR blocks. Plus, he did great work on Elton Brand.
  • Daequan Cook is now 3-15 from 3 this season. Not excellent.
  • KD had an interesting point post-game I thought – he said the team probably overpassed. I can see what he means too because there was a lot of forcing into tight areas. I’d much rather have overpassing than no passing at all though.
  • Doug Collins post-game: “Westbrook’s a hell of a player. We saw the Portland tape and they were down five late and Westbrook stepped up and hit two big jumpshots for them. I mean this kid is really, really good … You saw the maturity of a team that’s been together for a while and been to the playoffs and played the Lakers and been in the heat, and you saw us once again, trying to learn.”
  • Scott Brooks post-game: “Well, it was nice to hit some shots tonight. I thought our offense was really good at times. Our guys were making shots. Defensively, we had a stretch that we were really good, and then we had a stretch that we were really bad. We’re still improving; we’re still going to get better. All in all, it was nice to get a win in front of our home crowd.
  • Westbrook post-game:

It’s a nice bounce-win for the Thunder because they needed it. They played with urgency and it would’ve been easier than you think to have given this one away. But they didn’t. Offensive play-making is what’s to credit most, but a big steal here by Durant and a big block by Ibaka there were equally important. The Thunder played in odd spurts, showing the brilliance of a season ago at times, and the head-scratching lapses of the past two weeks as well.

But winning is always nice, despite the opponent. Especially when you kind of needed it.

Next up: Home against the Blazers Friday.

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Crow
Crow 5pts

There are about a dozen lineups that have been used more than 1 minute a game. About half have been good, half bad and not much in between so far. Among the thirty-some other lineups most have been negative on team +/-. With time, they should be able to make better choices. Most of the choices were available last season so not much is really new, though except for the starting lineup and maybe a couple others little has been tried enough to be able to be very confident in what they can or can't do. You can only try a few things even modestly if your starting lineup chews up 1/3rd or more of the total available time and then you scattershot a lot of the rest of the time pretty widely.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@PNT

KD’s turnovers might be high with that lineup, though they are high in general right now. Still I'd be agreeable to using that lineup with him at the SG in limited minutes and on nights were the opponent is not a stellar thief or his handle is looking good.

3 minutes per game would make any lineup the 4th most used this season and 2nd most last season. I'd think you could probably get away with that small lineup in a selective 3-5 minutes a game. If you tried it and the turnovers were too bad or there were other problems you can drop it. All I am saying is I'd try it a bit.

PNT
PNT 5pts

Crow :@James
I’d like to see more of 1-Russ 2-KD 3-Green 4-Ibaka 5-Krstic too. So far Brooks has used it about 100 seconds for the season. I’d like to see it 3-5 minutes a game, then adjust from there.

KD's turns would go up with that lineup. He doesn't handle the ball on the dribble well enough. I think some (including the coaches) have gotten carried away with this "KD can do everything" mentality. In my mind he is a scoring SF and should always be one. He is also much more efficient when sets are run for him, not all this iso crap we are seeing so far this season.

What happened to that curl off the screen at the elbow that he was so lethal with last year. In fact, I have yet to see an off ball pick being set by anyone in the offense this year.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@Mark!

I'd like to see all of the lineups you suggested. The first one hasn't been possible yet, the second simply hasn't been used this season and the third as I said before has been used under 2 minutes.

Last season your suggested starting lineup was 6th most used, though at only 85 minutes for the season. It was mildly positive.

I might have missed it but I don't think your small lineup got used at all last season. The big lineup got 11 minutes total.

I think those lineups were better than a lot of what was used. I think they got missed in part because players were typed as starter vs bench too much.

I agree that always or almost always matching up to the opponent may miss some opportunities to exploit them if you have confidence in your assessment of who has the edge and confidence in the lineup in general.

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@Crow

I'm really puzzled why we don't leverage our players' position flexibility. Every single game, we should be throwing out a small ball and a big lineup. Here's my dream:

Starters: Westbrook - Harden - Durant - Ibaka - Collison
Small: Maynor - Westbrook - Durant - Green - Ibaka
Big: Westbrook - Durant - Green - Ibaka - Krstic

But I know I'll never get that wish fulfilled.

Take last night for example. In the postgame, Brooks said he went small to respond to the 76ers 3 PG lineup. WTF? The 76ers barely have one good PG to throw out, why are we responding to them throwing out 3? It's not like Williams, Holiday and Turner are amazing or anything. I'd think you'd love to see that lineup on the court, not panic and sub in 3 shooting guards.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@7

Thanks. There are a lot of angles. I read and also learn from many here who see or find others. How long I keep it up is something I take a day or week at a time.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Total lineups used is up to about 50 so far.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@James

I'd like to see more of 1-Russ 2-KD 3-Green 4-Ibaka 5-Krstic too. So far Brooks has used it about 100 seconds for the season. I'd like to see it 3-5 minutes a game, then adjust from there.

7
7 5pts

James: I don't want to judge anything too early. However, Aldrich has definitely not been impressive.

Crow: let me say I like reading your stuff bc it gives insight that I don't get from simply going to the games. And I don't have to look it up myself! Keep it up

justin
justin 5pts

@James

I'd rather have Krstic / Ibaka than Ibaka / Green, is what I'm saying.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@DizzyDai

Thanks. Ibaka good with many starters does seem to the early message.

@James

Aldrich will need a few hundred minutes before we have much basis to guess off of.

James
James 5pts

Crow :The worst lineup of all so far (in terms of total points lost)? The full starting lineup. Playing that lineup its standard amount is basically costing 2-3 points per game so far. Last season it was better but barely above neutral.

That's not good.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Among the 50 most used lineups in the league the starting lineup is in the bottom quarter on both raw and Adjusted +/-. Last season it was bottom third on both.

Crow
Crow 5pts

The worst lineup of all so far (in terms of total points lost)? The full starting lineup. Playing that lineup its standard amount is basically costing 2-3 points per game so far. Last season it was better but barely above neutral.

James
James 5pts

I also don't think Aldrich is the answer he wasn't blocking out well last night either and as long as his arms are he sure had a lot of rebounds get past him last night. Rebounding is his thing. He's got no offensive game. Which is fine if he rebounds and defends well. He's only a couple games in but I'm not impressed so far.

KD played the 2 when he was a rookie and struggled. He's a much better player right now. If we continue to get nothing from our 2's I wouldn't mind trying that again. If KD is in the game, at this stage of his career, the opposing teams best defender will be on him most of the time no matter what position he's playing. 1-Russ 2-KD 3-Green 4-Ibaka 5-Krstic.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

Nice breakdown Crow. It sounds like we need to give Ibaka more time with the starters.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Per minute it is about a tie. Those 2 lineups have gotten about 20-25% of the game. It probably should be higher.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Westbrook Sefolosha Durant Ibaka is by far the best quad and the next 5 vary from it by just one player.

The starting lineup with Ibaka instead of Green is the best 5 man lineup so far. But the starting linuep with Ibaka instead of Krstic is 2nd best.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Ibaka is all the top 7 trios on net raw team +/-. Thabo 4, Krstic, Durant, Westbrook 3 each, Green 1.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Ibaka/Green has indeed been better thus far than Krstic/Green. Ibaka/Green is middle of the pack for pairs while Krstic/Green is 2nd worst to Krstic/Durant.

Ibaka / Krstic currently has the lead by far among big man pairs on raw team +/-.

Krstic is last on team raw +/- with Harden and Green close. Ibaka has the lead.

It is early and these numbers may bounce around but who you play with often matters. If Krstic with Ibaka stays good I'd use it more and whatever else works well.

James
James 5pts

justin :

James :If Ibaka does start making his jumper more consistently that gives even more reason to start him at the 5 when Green gets back. Krstic isn’t as good a rebounder or defender as Ibaka. The thing he brings the most is his jumper off Westbrook/KD drives. If Ibaka can do that too it’s kind of a no brainer.

Not sure what your fascination is with Ibaka / Green is. It’s clearly been a failure so far this year for the most part. Krstic is a better positional defender than Serge and is better at boxing out…
We should start Ibaka for Green if we want Ibaka in the starting lineup. Pigeon holing him into the center spot is only going to stunt his growth as a player.

I'm not sure what your fascination with Krstic is. Ibaka has been much more productive per minute on both ends of the court (at the 4 or the 5). Ibaka/Green has been better thus far than Krstic/Green. That's my fascination.

Crow
Crow 5pts

With offensive rebounding it is pretty much inverted. Probably too early to draw any conclusions on this.

Crow
Crow 5pts

When Krstic on the court is about the team low on team defensive rebounding so far this season. With Green is about team average. Ibaka better, Aldrich best so far in low minutes.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

@7

Whoops! I misunderstood you. I thought you were sarcastically giving Brooks props for calling a timeout with 1 second left in the game. :)

7
7 5pts

DizzyDai: I guess I am not follwing you. I was giving brooks props.

Osanawhoa: I tend to agree with your concerns.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Technique, size and athleticism varies but on net rebounding vs. matchup Kristic and Green at PF lose by -4 rebounds per 48 minutes so far this season while Ibaka and Aldrich win by about +2. Green at SF is winning by 4. 82 games is back with the basic data.

JoCro
JoCro 5pts

@Simple Wonder
Lebron who?
My hometown hero John Wall went ham on the Rockets.
OKC winning, wiz winning, Houston losing. That counts as a very good night.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Chocolate Ginobili
lol, i work evenings so i dont go to bed until real late

@Crow
our worst FT shooting rotation player is thabo and he doesnt shoot many, so i think we can be the best FT shooting team at least this season that should be a goal.

Simple Wonder
Simple Wonder 5pts

So far the Cavs are winning the Central Division.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Chocolate Ginobili :
What’s the record for team free throw percentage for a season? It seems like we should have a good chance of breaking it.

I guess I was focused on the FT quantity and misunderstood the question. Perhaps partly given the hour I tried to answer. 3 teams currently above 82% FT%. It is hard to hold onto a real high team FT% for the full season but the Thunder were second best last season. It is a strength that deserves praise. They both designed for it and worked to improve it.

JoCro
JoCro 5pts

@Mark!
That image has been burned in my mind. Hopefully seeing Ibaka destroy Gasol on one dunk in the Conference Finals this year will help remove it.

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@Osano-Whoa

Installing an offensive system is much more complicated than coming up with oneshot plays like Brooks calls coming out of timeouts. I don't mean to diminish the TO playcalls because Brooks is good at that, just saying they aren't really closely related.

What makes me sad is how well Green usually does when plays are actually called. I think he'd really show some unique value to the team if we ran a cogent offense. Instead, we only get to see a version of Green that's largely overshadowed, overlapped and marginalized by Durant. It's really a shame.

Robert
Robert 5pts

I still really wish we would have gotten Jodie Meeks. Cook's 3-15 on 3 pointers is just not going to cut it at all.

Osano-Whoa
Osano-Whoa 5pts

@7
It bothers me that he can call a good play out of a timeout (there were two excellent examples during the game) but he can't get the team to make good plays on their own on the offensive end. I'm not sure whether this is a problem with coaching, or just a manifestation of our team being so young. Probably an intersection of both.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

@7

Exaggerate lately? Philly had 3 timeouts in the last 1:42. Brooks took a 20 at 0:34. Perhaps you're confusing Brooks for Doug Collins.

justin
justin 5pts

okc baby :Funny how when Green is out alot of his haters want him back. His absence has showed how garbage Krstic is.

Nobody has said Green shouldn't play or should be out.

7
7 5pts

NICE call out of the timeout with one second left on the shot clock Scott Brooks. I salute you.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

@okc baby

I didn't need Green gone to form my opinion of Krstic.

DizzyDai
DizzyDai 5pts

I still don't see Krstic boxing out or rotating that well. He lost a few rebounds by just going up with one hand. Perhaps if Nenad was a better leaper he could get away with using one hand. The only time I recall him grabbing a rebound with two hands and authority was when there was no one else around. :(

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

Funny how when Green is out alot of his haters want him back. His absence has showed how garbage Krstic is.

justin
justin 5pts

James :If Ibaka does start making his jumper more consistently that gives even more reason to start him at the 5 when Green gets back. Krstic isn’t as good a rebounder or defender as Ibaka. The thing he brings the most is his jumper off Westbrook/KD drives. If Ibaka can do that too it’s kind of a no brainer.

Not sure what your fascination is with Ibaka / Green is. It's clearly been a failure so far this year for the most part. Krstic is a better positional defender than Serge and is better at boxing out...

We should start Ibaka for Green if we want Ibaka in the starting lineup. Pigeon holing him into the center spot is only going to stunt his growth as a player.

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@James

Krstic's isn't a great rebounder, but he's easily the best on our team (minus Collison) at creating space for others to get rebounds.

I don't think Ibaka could box out to save his life.

Or a playoff run.

Rimshot.

:(

James
James 5pts

If Ibaka does start making his jumper more consistently that gives even more reason to start him at the 5 when Green gets back. Krstic isn't as good a rebounder or defender as Ibaka. The thing he brings the most is his jumper off Westbrook/KD drives. If Ibaka can do that too it's kind of a no brainer.

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

Four Factors League Rank
This Year vs (Last Year)
Thru 11/10

own eFG%: 29 (19)
opp eFG%: 25 (5)
own FTR: 2 (6)
opp FTR: 9 (17)
own TOR: 7 (24)
opp TOR: 24 (7)
own ORR: 11 (3)
opp ORR: 17 (17)

AC
AC 5pts

To reiterate, that's just stunningly bad. the eFG% of a 3 should be much, much higher. the league average is something like 53.4. The worse team last year(pistons) at the 3 had an eFG% of 47.1.

AC
AC 5pts

@justin
we're 14th in the league in long 2 (16-23 ft) FGAs. And we're shooting them pretty well 40.4%. What is stunning is that actually long 2s are MORE efficient for us than 3s.

Our eFG% for 3s is 30.5%. That's eFG%! that's nuts! It is actually nuts!

justin
justin 5pts

@Keith

Oh, I definitely agree the system is not doing him any favors.

KD right now is taking 7.7 FGA from 16-23 feet. That's really a reflection of our offense right there. The long two pointer!

Keith
Keith 5pts

@justin
I definitely think KD's %'s will improve, I just think that the offense in general (using more iso/less passing as a concentrated strategy) is important. I don't think we are so apart in what we are saying. KD is in a slump, but nothing is being done to help him either. KD's defense is below last year, but not terrible. He is what he is, a super lanky defender with average agility and below average instincts. He's smart enough to play a step off his man, using his length to make up for speed, but the defense around him isn't what it was. What made KD a good defender last year was the way the system took his instincts out of the equation (he still bites too quickly on fakes and gets caught moving the wrong when a slasher makes a dribble move). But with the lower effort all around and no defensive presence behind him in the paint, players have no reason to take a jumper (which he is still adept at altering).

justin
justin 5pts

i.e. Russell Westbrook is currently shooting 41% from 10-15 feet and 45% (!!) from 16-23 feet. I think the odds of KD continuing to shoot sub-40% from the field overall are around the same as Russ' odds of keeping up that mid range shooting.

AC
AC 5pts

@justin
Exactly, and if that's one of the things that's most different from last year, I'd say that's a good sign.

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