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Bill Simmons in OKC: But what does it mean?!

by Michael Kimball on December 31, 2010 at 11:29 am 81 Comments

(No Bolts today. Have a very happy New Year’s Eve and don’t do anything too stupid.)

UPDATE: Simmons wrote about his experience in OKC in this week’s “Miller Lite Man Up” section of his column.

So Bill Simmons showed up at the Thunder-Nets game Wednesday in Oklahoma City. For those of us, myself included, who enjoy Simmons’ columns and podcasts but also want him to fully embrace the Thunder, a reaction of maybe 10 percent of the intensity of the Double Rainbow Guy swept over us.

Why was Simmons here? What did his presence mean? Why does it matter to me and people like me that he was at the Thunder game, and what he thinks about the team and city?

Simmons is the most popular sports columnist in the U.S., and by extension the world. (I’d be surprised for various reasons if China and India, the only two countries more populous than the U.S., have sports columnists as widely read as Simmons.) I suspect that it’s not even close. That also makes him the most polarizing, thanks to the combined natures of sportswriting and popularity.

Readers who don’t like Simmons probably don’t like him for the same reasons readers don’t like other columnists: They don’t like his style, or his opinions, or perceived biases and so on. But many other sportswriters and columnists seem to have a particularly pointed dislike of ESPN.com’s Sports Guy, and it most certainly is the result, in most cases, of jealousy of one kind or another. Common criticisms include charges that he’s not a “real” journalist, mainly because he doesn’t do locker room interviews or face many of the people at whom he takes shots, that he makes too many jokes and that he’s a homer. In reality, those critics within his profession are mostly jealous that he makes more money than they do, that he has more readers than they do, and that he has all that despite writing only once or twice a week and talking mainly to his professional and real-life friends on his podcasts.

I don’t care whether you like Simmons or not. It doesn’t add to my enjoyment of his work if you do, or take away from it if you don’t. But his influence on sportswriting, specifically on the Internet, is undeniable. He has influenced guys like Royce and myself just because we read him. He’s made it easier to make a living off of writing for the Internet, and for writers to be able to admit, and even revel in, their fandom of a particular team. The reason is simple. The truth is simply that he’s fun to read. And fun is all he strives to be, as far as I can tell.

The truth is also that he’s been less than kind to Oklahoma City since the Thunder came to town from Seattle. To his credit, he hasn’t taken shots at the people of Oklahoma or played to the state’s many negative stereotypes. But he has certainly stoked the flames of discontent in Seattle and elsewhere about the way the team got here, and others, whether they’re published professional writers or Internet trolls, haven’t been as restrained or civil. Simmons for a long time refused even to refer to Oklahoma City when talking about the Thunder, and still won’t say the team’s name. He even had it bleeped out when he let it slip on a couple of podcasts.

There's no way he just decided to go to a game on a whim. There's a reason why he came. He surely plans to write something. And I can't wait to see what it is.

Daily Thunder made sort of a peace offering in the form of the Zombie Sonics shirt from Tree and Leaf, referring to Simmons’ invented nickname for the team. (At least until the Thunder, more or less rather nicely as I understand, convinced Royce and the T&L guys to spike it.) I was one of the surely dozens or hundreds or more of Oklahoma City fans who wrote pleasant e-mails to Simmons asking him to at least let our city’s or team’s name pass his lips. I’m sure there were plenty of fans who wrote less kind e-mails. He’s an unabashed fan of Kevin Durant and professes to watch more Thunder basketball than any team other than his beloved Celtics, so it has been hard for many to understand why he can’t separate his distaste for the way the Sonics left Seattle from the Thunder coming to Oklahoma City.

Most of us just want the most popular sports columnist around to like us. It’s not a whole lot different from wanting the prettiest girl in school to like you, in a way. If a person is viewed as popular, it helps your own standing (in a high school politics sense) to be viewed favorably by that person. It’s only natural. So for anyone who has followed Simmons’ opinions about the Oklahoma City Thunder and the way he treats the team in his work, showing up to the still-the-Ford Center marks a major turning point. And the way he showed up — by not announcing it at all or referencing the upcoming trip in a podcast, column or tweet — makes his presence all the more intriguing. There’s no way he just decided to go to a game on a whim. There’s a reason why he came. He surely plans to write something. And I can’t wait to see what it is. I’m confident OKC made a good impression on him. There was a mostly packed house downtown on a Wednesday night against the Nets, and his man-crush KD played well. I’m hoping he writes something positive.

If you think that it doesn’t matter what Simmons thinks about Oklahoma City and/or the Thunder, you’re kidding yourself. The man drives opinion. If he softens his stance on Oklahoma City, it will soften the stance of others. It’s the truth, whether anyone likes it or not.

Some Thunder fans out there, and Oklahoma residents in particular, will profess to not care what others think about their team and their state. But only some of those people are being truthful when they profess that. Probably only a few. Again, it’s only natural to want someone to like you or to like something you care deeply about, like a favorite team or the state you live in. I’m not native to Oklahoma, but I’ve lived here almost as long as I’ve lived anywhere else, which is long enough to be proud of it and to want people on the coasts to think of it as more than a “flyover state.” And because sports teams provide powerful and lasting images of a region, and Simmons is as powerful a sports voice as any, how the Thunder is perceived by the country matters, and how Simmons perceives the Thunder makes a big impact on that.

So count me among those who think that not only was Simmons’ presence at a Thunder game a big deal, but that he came here solely to see Oklahoma City and the Thunder in its home environment for himself, as so many of us wished he would, and that he plans to write something about the experience. I’m hoping he’s ready to make a peace with the situation and accept Oklahoma City as the home of his second-favorite team.

I just hope he likes us. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.

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Ann on a Moose
Ann on a Moose 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

A third of the teams currently in the NBA can trace their franchise history back to a different city.

A supposed basketball historian like simmons should know as much. Why doesn't he still hold the same anymosity towards New Orleans or Sacramento or Utah or either team in Los Angeles?

Charles
Charles 5pts

MJ,

You clearly take this far more seriously than I do. Life's too short, mate. Have a great 2011, Thunderup.

M.J.
M.J. 5pts

@Charles
So in other words, you're going to ignore it when I show that you're wrong, plus you're not going to take me at my word and will just reinterpret my feelings into whatever suits you. Right. Well, there's bloody little chance of even a worthwhile go-round here, since I have no desire to see which of us can let loose with the best Bulverism.

Also, tweaks tend to lose their sting when you admit that's what you're doing. Just a bit of advice, duckie.

Charles
Charles 5pts

Zed,

I'm a Thunder fan, and I'm not from Seattle. The "where I'm from" part of my comment was in direct response to MJ's condescension, and frankly was just part of the setup to tweak MJ a bit. Now can you explain what I'm supposed to man up about, and what this "business" is that you speak of?

Zed
Zed 5pts

@Zed

Where exactly do you come from? You make it sound as if it makes you different from us.

Zed
Zed 5pts

Fine, we stole your team. Deal with it.

Stop being "insecure", man up, and take care of your business.

Charles
Charles 5pts

@M.J. Where I come from, we try not to get "offended" by what some guy on the internet says. Makes us look insecure.

M.J.
M.J. 5pts

@Charles
Perhaps where you come from, "Hijack City" is not an insult. Here, however, it is. And someday, you should learn the difference between "insecure" and "offended."

Criticism I can take. But I've never been very good at taking insults, Chucky-me-lad.

Charles
Charles 5pts

I think Simmons has been pretty much dead on, and the only people getting upset are Oklahomans who are insecure about their state's standing relative to the rest of the US. he hasn't said anything bad about the actual city, or state, at all. He loves the team. He thinks Seattle got a raw deal. The vast majority of NBA fans nationwide feel the same way. You have a dynamic organization, with a roster that just about any fan would sell their soul to have. I'm sure you can handle a little criticism.

Lindsey
Lindsey 5pts

I need that Thunder baby pack so bad! I'm due in July but I'm not having it at Integris... someone help a Thunder mom-to-be hijack one!

M.J.
M.J. 5pts

@f5alcon
Too little. Too late.

Cody Steffen
Cody Steffen 5pts

This is *so* close to a love letter. You're crushin' pretty hard. Don't worry about what the prettiest girl thinks of your unremarkable region. I'm a Buffalo Bills fan, like Thunder fans, there aren't a tremendous amount of us, but the few we do have tend to be quite loud.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@innocent bystander
lol

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

@f5alcon
OMG! Now you're throwing mitochondria at me!

:)

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Thomas
and the fact that it was blatantly obvious they wanted a team for OKC when they bought it.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@innocent bystander
from what i have observed, a good portion of athleticism, is determined by the mother. It is true in my extended family at the very least and plenty of high end athletes have athletic mothers, stephon curry, yao, dirk. i did a little research and here is what i found which makes sense though not a great source of proof

"The mitochondria within your cell have DNA and that DNA matches your mom. Now, the mitochondria is the energy making organelle. It makes tons of ATP (basically, cell energy). Part of muscle contraction is compliments of ATP, without it your muscles won't have a prayer of contracting. So, if you inherit mitochondria from your mom that are highly efficient, then, you could possibly make a bunch more ATP....more ATP more energy more muscle contraction (possibly) "

Thomas
Thomas 5pts

@Daniel
Love it that BS is sticking up for us there. Just a side thought, has it occurred to anyone how odd it is that a group who paid several hundred million dollars for something could subsequently be seen to have "stolen" it. That's gotta be the most inept bunch of robbers ever.

Only in professional sports right?

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

f5alcon :@innocent
bystander
just be sure to procreate with athlete women so they have athletic genes. id like to see a courtney paris blake griffin baby, best PF or defensive lineman ever.

I dunno...

is KD's mom athletic? Is Blake's mom?

I think the better formula might be: get a super-athletic dad and a mom with a will of iron

that might produce the best results, heh

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Rosie from Norman
oh wow maybe there is hope for that place yet

Rosie from Norman
Rosie from Norman 5pts

@F5alcon, nope, my daughter asked. The Thunder/Durant jersey was being worn by a boy from Boston.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Rosie from Norman
maybe they not from massachsucks

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@innocent bystander
just be sure to procreate with athlete women so they have athletic genes. id like to see a courtney paris blake griffin baby, best PF or defensive lineman ever.

Rosie from Norman
Rosie from Norman 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Just saw my first Thunder/Durant jersey at the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, MA....a blue speck in a sea of green Rondo jerseys. Who says OKC is just flyover territory in the eyes of the coastal elites?

Daniel
Daniel 5pts

A few recent tweets from Simmons:

Getting a bunch of "What did you think of OKC?" emails. The locals couldn't have been nicer + I loved the atmosphere at the game. Thumbs up.

OKC's fans didn't steal the team - the owners did. Big difference. They have good fans. RT @TBerculosis Screw them for stealing the Sonics.

Never ever. Just wait 'til you get another NBA team, it's going to happen. RT @ColterPierce If you were a Sonics fan would you root for OKC?

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

f5alcon :
maybe they are trying to encourage baby making to get more basketball talent in oklahoma.

hey, I'm all in favor of baby-making!

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

maybe they are trying to encourage baby making to get more basketball talent in oklahoma.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@f5alcon
*pack* and it is just integris

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@innocent bystander
they said they expected 2600 baby kits, so even at $20 per back that isnt much money

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

f5alcon :@innocent
bystander
yeah lifelong thunder fans for sure.

yep, and it's going to be an expense too -- they're doing it for the whole year (all of 2011)

hopefully OKC won't experience an incredible baby boom and put the Thunder org. into the red, ha!

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

btw, for those not in the OKC area...

yesterday was bizzarely warm -- it was about 70 degrees (or more)

now, a cold front has moved in and it's about 35 degrees
(which is more normal for Dec. 31 anyway)

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@innocent bystander
yeah lifelong thunder fans for sure.

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

I think Darnell is right -- this is a very smart marketing thing:

Thunder Welcoming Newborn Babies

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And never brought to mind?
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And auld lang syne!

For auld lang syne, my dear,
For auld lang syne.
We'll take a cup o' kindness yet,
For auld lang syne.

... good-bye 2010! (wipe away tear)

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

f5alcon :
im so fired up for the game tonight, i want to come out and crush the hawks, shut up dave del grande and charles barkley.

seconded!

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

my auld lang syne post...

aah, the end of 2010 approacheth (dang, the year went quick)

so, how did our beloved team fare in 2010? I went and compiled the 2010 win/loss record, which, of course, covers both the end of last season and all of the current season:

Thunder 2010
============
Jan: 8-7
Feb: 9-2
Mar: 11-5
Apr: 4-4 (Reg)
: 2-4(Playoffs)
----
May: X
Jun: X
Jul: X
Aug: X
Sep: X
----
Oct: 2-1 (Reg)
Nov: 10-5
Dec: 10-5

(this skips the pre-season, of course)

overall...
56-33 (0.629)

whoa -- ya gotta love the numbers from Feb '10!

so far this season we are EXACTLY 2-to-1 for win/losses each month.
of course, that will be broken tonight -- hopefully on the high side

Ozark
Ozark 5pts

Jeff Green is great at driving the rim, the baby hook in the lane, and pulling up for the mid range jumper after threatening the drive. If he would focus on this and reduce his 3 pt attempts I don't think anybody would complain about his offense. He just needs to play to his strengths.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

im so fired up for the game tonight, i want to come out and crush the hawks, shut up dave del grande and charles barkley.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@reddirt717
well he is defending us.

reddirt717
reddirt717 5pts

and....

Sportsguy33 Bill Simmons@TBerculosis
Screw them for stealing the Sonics."

reddirt717
reddirt717 5pts

Via Twitter:

sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
"Getting a bunch of "What did you think of OKC?" emails. The locals couldn't have been nicer + I loved the atmosphere at the game. Thumbs up."

Brian
Brian 5pts

@f5alcon
or just give the shooter we drafted #3 overall more time...

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

If some guy on the other team is chucking up over 4 threes a game at 27%, why on earth would you NOT invite him to take that shot?

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Thundercitizen
anybody on the coasts think they are better than us, the elitism is quite high there

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Brian
it should show a bigger gap than TS% because it doesnt take FT shooting into account which helps durant out. But yeah we need to shoot less 3s or get another shooter.

Thundercitizen
Thundercitizen 5pts

Obstinence and ignorance.

That waah waaaah waaah sound B.S. was hearing at the Skirvin came from his own lips. Read the article Royce referred to again. He essentially told us to screw off, there are plenty of other constituents around the rest of the country...I don't care about Hijack City, etc. He is pandering to a populous in the NW at our expense. If you deny the disrespect, it's only because you don't want to be disrespected.
I wish he would like us, but he's has already spat in our collective face and does so every chance he gets.
If he was here to objectively experience OKC, then he still hasn't "manned up".
Stop whining, Billy.

Brian
Brian 5pts

Yea, Justin I agree no one guards jeff or thabo on the three point line. If I was a coach I would do the same.

Brian
Brian 5pts

Yea, I didn't actually feel that efg% would be that representative of the harm the 3 point shooting was doing to the team and if you think about it, it may even be a bigger difference because if they were to take less threes, then you would assume it would mean that they were driving to the whole more and getting more opportunities at the line, which would again increase their TS%. Really the only person who gets fouled constantly from three is Harden. (anyone else notice that Harden falls down on 80% of his shots).

justin
justin 5pts

Teams are just leaving Green open on the perimeter lately, he's not drawing any defenses.

Floppy Punch!
Floppy Punch! 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Skirvin management is totally Scooby-Dooing their guests.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Brian
it is the number of attempts he has from 3, if he had 1 a game he would still draw the D out, the fact that he is shooting 4 a game is the problem, even durant should only be shooting 3 a game.

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