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Intro to the Collective Bargaining Negotiations

by Clark Matthews on February 17, 2011 at 1:31 pm 100 Comments
This beard is on the comeback trail.

There is going to be a lockout.

If the media has been adequate at all about reporting on the labor negotiations for the National Basketball Association, it has been in making that one point clear. While the owners and the Players Association (NBPA) haggle, the only thing most people care about is that a work stoppage is almost a certainty in the short term. However, what issues are being discussed, what the end resulting Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) might look like, and what those resulting changes could mean for—in our case—the Oklahoma City Thunder is hardly discussed.

My goal is to change that. In doing so, I have to assume that, as educated NBA fans that frequent a niche NBA team blog, most of you reading this are at least familiar with the current CBA. This is not to say you understand the intricacies of collectively bargained by laws, but at minimum, you understand that trading players has specific guidelines, player contracts have minimums and maximums, and that an intricate salary cap currently exists. For me to explain the entire minutia in this series of posts would make each posting way too long even on the Matthewsian scale. However, if there is something I mention and you feel some further background would help your understanding, feel free to drop me an email (clarkfnmatthews at gmail dot com) and I will be happy to discuss it with you.

Alright, now for the fun stuff.

Why is there going to be a lockout?

To put it bluntly, the owners hold all the cards. In negotiations, each side puts forth their desires and ideally as they discuss, both sides make compromises. For these negotiations, there is very little room for the players to make compromises. The team owners, on the other hand, have a laundry list of demands they would like to see the NBPA accept. They include:

  • A hard salary cap
  • More restrictive age limitations
  • Team contraction
  • Limitations to guaranteed salary
  • Shorter length of contracts
  • Assuming the new CBA will be more restrictive to player contracts, “rolling back” current contracts to fit the new system
  • NFL-style “franchise tags”
  • Enhanced drug testing
  • Heavily reduced revenue sharing with the union
  • Elimination of “no trade clauses”
  • Reduction in first round draft pick guarantees
  • Increased utilization of Developmental League with reduced pay for players assigned there
  • The abolition of agents

Okay, I made up that last one, but the owners have a lot of things they want and the union is vehemently opposed to almost all of them. For the rest, they are just adamantly opposed. Now, what are the players bringing to the table?

  • They want contracts to stay the same, ideally increasing years that can be guaranteed and tweaking the levels of max contracts and player exceptions to the salary cap. But mostly they are happy with the status quo.
  • Elimination of the age limit

That is it.

Can we collective bargain us calling our own fouls?

There will be some smaller things for which they will ask. Certainly players hate restricted free agency, but it is unlikely to become a major issue. That means, they have very few demands to give up before they are taking a step back, and stepping back is not going to be acceptable. This means coming to an agreement, particularly in time for the 2011/12 season, will be close to impossible.

Sadly, many of those millionaire basketball players live paycheck to paycheck like a Wal-Mart cashier.

Making matters worse is that the owners are in a far stronger bargaining situation. With the economy’s struggles, the business side can argue effectively that cuts in expenses are necessary to the continuation of the league. Several openly struggling teams make the argument stronger.

The players will counter that the owners seem overly eager to make those large expenditures for a group suggesting that the system is broken. This is buoyed by the extravagant spending that occurred during the free agent bonanza of 2010. General Managers were passing out maximum contracts like Mardi Gras beads. While the free agent class of 2010 was historically strong, guys who—if the owners stance of necessary belt tightening is to be believed—had no business signing large deals were getting the most the CBA allowed. In many of those cases, the team management was only bidding against themselves. If teams are struggling in the economic climate, why are they so quick to offer those big contracts, and why should the union be responsible for protecting the owners from themselves?

Imagine what women would do if the beads were worth $84 million over six years.

Owners will spin the players’ best argument as a sign of exactly the opposite. Players like Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay getting exorbitant contracts means the system is broken, they will say. Competitive factors do not allow teams to make rational fiscal decisions.

Even if the owners did not believe this, which I am certain they do, they know the iron is hot for them to make the union cave. The last time they asked for major changes (the 1998 negotiations), they found that players were incapable of weathering a work stoppage. Sadly, many of those millionaire basketball players live paycheck to paycheck like a Wal-Mart cashier. With interruption in their cash flow, they ran quickly into financial problems.

Meanwhile, the owners of NBA teams rarely rely on profits from the franchise. Ownership is typically more of a vanity project than an opportunity to fill their coffers. They can withstand the losses of missing revenues for most of a year because Chesapeake will still be paying Thunder owner Aubrey McClendon while league Commissioner David Stern and Union executive Billy Hunter play their game of chicken.

With leverage like that, it is no wonder the owners are ready to act like the Cobra Kai and put the NBPA in a bodybag.

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NEXT: Part II, Why the Owners Want to Reduce the Number of Teams and Why the Players Would Not Like That or Contraction: Yea or Nea

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okc baby
okc baby 5pts

@Daniel
Just sayin:)

Thomas
Thomas 5pts

RWisMyFavThunder :
My only beef is that I’m tired of people acting like OKC is butt-middle-of-nowhere with NOTHING to do. It’s not LA, but it has most the stuff Dallas has. Also, we have an athletic shot blocker. His name is Serge Ibaka.

Testify brother.

vandromeda
vandromeda 5pts

Forgot to mention: if Denver trade Melo to LA for Bynum, Green could look great for them as Melo replacement. Also they want cap relief for this year - trade code be modified to get them more relief.

vandromeda
vandromeda 5pts

@RWisMyFavThunder
We could do something like:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4mfapue
With Clippers pick going to Denver and our pick going to Minnesota.
This is lot of assets to get Nene (who could opt-out), but value of those picks in a week draft is very low + Cole doesn't look great at all + Green will be restricted so all those assets aren't great.
No way we are taking back Harrington, small market team couldn't do that.
At the end, do we want to spend 8-10M$ per for Green or 10-12M$ per for Nene? Of course it is questionable could we afford him with the new CBA, but he could be great fit with Serge.

RWisMyFavThunder
RWisMyFavThunder 5pts

You can do a Brook Lopez for Aldrich trade straight up on the trade machine. LOL. It increases our wins by 6. Hello, 60 win season.

Daniel
Daniel 5pts

@okc baby
Dirk and Lebron may have something to say about that.

RWisMyFavThunder
RWisMyFavThunder 5pts

My only beef is that I'm tired of people acting like OKC is butt-middle-of-nowhere with NOTHING to do. It's not LA, but it has most the stuff Dallas has. Also, we have an athletic shot blocker. His name is Serge Ibaka.

RWisMyFavThunder
RWisMyFavThunder 5pts

You can also listen to an interview with RW on ESPNLA

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/radio/show?showId=max

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

Looks like Rose solidified his MVP

RWisMyFavThunder
RWisMyFavThunder 5pts

Anyone watch the live Nike video stream of KD at an appearance in LA on facebook?

JJJ
JJJ 5pts

@justin
Agree...him or Paul. Though it will be fun to watch the speed of the other 3

justin
justin 5pts

Curry will win that IMO.

Daniel
Daniel 5pts

Damn no Fisher...

JJJ
JJJ 5pts

@JJJ
If there only was a 'Team Oklahoma', we'd be represented in every single All-Star event

justin
justin 5pts

Rose, Paul, Wall, and Curry.

JJJ
JJJ 5pts

@Daniel
Curry, Wall, Rose, and Paul....tough group

Daniel
Daniel 5pts

@justin
Who are the others?

justin
justin 5pts

Westbrook in the skills challenge.

snowflake
snowflake 5pts

@Cpt. C-note
I'd go with "no lockout" if I were you

Cpt. C-note
Cpt. C-note 5pts

Can we just send the team to Tulsa so we can still watch our boys in blue? I'm putting "no lookout" into my daily prayers.
GO THUNDER! NO LOOKOUT!

Keith
Keith 5pts

@Daniel
Didn't Blake pull out of the rookie/soph game when he made the actual AS game? As for the dunk contest, I don't care who wins as long as there is something legitimately exciting going on. I haven't seen a quality dunk contest in a decade.

@DavyTheWise
No offense, but I don't think the Premier League idea makes real sense. Americans don't follow sports the same way international fans do. You can guarantee every team outside the Premier League will see viewership and sponsorship plummet. Americans don't care about losers, about teams that have no shot at a championship.

Not to mention, look at the names of past NBA champions. The Premier league is just going to be filled with the same teams all the time because the NBA is one of the most top-heavy sports there is.

But then, we kind of already have a Premier League in the East. 4 good teams, a couple decent ones, then a bunch of nobodies who have no chance and change from year to year.

Daniel
Daniel 5pts

We should make a thread for all of our all star event predictions. A list of mine:

Celebrity MVP: Jason Alexander (come on George)
Rook/Soph: Rookies with Blake as MVP
Skills Challenge: Westbrook (Homer pick)
3 Point Shootout: Ray Allen
Dunk Contest: Blake Griffin
East/West: West with Durant as MVP

prye05
prye05 5pts

@f5alcon
Yeah maybe shorten the actual NBA playoffs by a round? That would be almost 2 weeks less right there. Maybe take a week out of the pre-season or something like that. At least from the NBA standpoint there are some places it could come from.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@prye05
yeah maybe top 4 teams from top 4 leagues, cant drag it out too long or players will never get a break, but a 16 team tourney could be done in a week or 2.

prye05
prye05 5pts

@f5alcon
Which is one reason why a simple switch to a relegation league gets messy.

An eventual switch maybe with the establishment of a championship series with Euroleague etc might be the start of something on a global scale.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@prye05
i think with soccer and college sports the tradition is much deeper, families go generations with being fans.

prye05
prye05 5pts

@DavyTheWise
Well in recent years the league has been reaching out to the Euro market, and has put on tours and exhibitions in other countries so I think the NBA wants to become a global brand. In terms of things like that though there might be some international owners besides NJ's new owner who have interest in NBA teams, so an open cap system could potentially work. Plus competing on the world stage every year as opposed to just every once in awhile on a global stage could be huge for the sport. It would be the only major American sport to actually have a championship that could be claimed as the World Championship. Plus even though you might lose a few fans in the states due to teams being relegated and the band wagon fans attached to those, you could see a huge influx of wealth from other markets much like the Chinese following that supports Yao Ming. Plus a relegation league makes for fun competition for the bottom teams.

The one natural benefit that English and Spanish soccer leagues has that the US doesn't quite benefit from is the proximity of the teams. One of the reasons people say the fans in English premiere are some of the best if not the best fans in the world of any sport is they are really close to those people of opposing fan bases and that makes for more intense rivalries. The NBA kind of lacks that right now as Lakers Celtics is about the biggest rivalry and that is a coast to coast thing. College sports are slightly better off because most conferences are actually close so you see some things like "the boarder war" or in-state rivalry or just things like that to make it a bit more intense. Though if it came down to the US vs other countries it might make the championship a lot more entertaining and heated of a rivalry much like the world cup can do.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

Crow :@f5alcon

Maybe I misunderstood your question about what percentage of national tv games goes to teams. I am not sure how much ad and subscriber revenue the cable networks get against their purchased rights but I guess they think it is enough.
The Lakers’ local deal sounds crazy but maybe it isn’t.

yeah thats what i meant, how much goes to league, vs networks, even if it was just nba tv with local broadcast teams, it would still mean more viewership, maybe have nbatv game of the night every night espn,tnt or abc dont.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Unsaid maybe that the league is expecting their tv partners to go for and get cuts it in the time relative price of NBA rights when the current contracts eventually come up. Stern pushed that date as far into the future as he could (perhaps after his retirement) but it will come.

DavyTheWise
DavyTheWise 5pts

@Clark Matthews
Well thanks, and i'm glad i could seed an idea for the blog. Looking forward to reading more!

@prye05
Yeah those seem to be the biggest hurdles. How interesting would a fully international market be though! I think if people were patient enough it could work, but really its a pipe dream anyway. But hey i'm a pipe dreamer, so maybe there's a chance...

DXL
DXL 5pts

I wrote before the 2010 draft: I wouldn't trade Ibaka for anyone in the draft besides John Wall. I liked him better than Derrick Favors and Demarcus Cousins. Serge's talent is that of a top 3 NBA pick. He has every chance of becoming the elusive third star on the Thunder.

Bill Simmons seems to agree. He rates Ibaka's trade value as 37th in the league above Favors, Cousins, as well as Tyreke Evans, Andrew Bynum and Andrew Bogut. Wow.

Crow
Crow 5pts

ABC didn't want to use much of its "broadcast" network space on the NBA. In part to help sell the games on cable where they get the carrier subscription fees. It no longer gets a big enough national audience for regular season games to rely on it.

By contrast the NFL has the broadcast networks falling over themselves for NFL games. CBS goes gaga for the NCAA basketball tournament but I don't know the rights fees per year off hand in comparison to the NBA.

TNT and ESPN are a halfway house. Maybe it was the best Stern could do. It looked good for a long while but maybe not forever.

justin
justin 5pts

I think there's even a small chance the union caves before even getting locked out.

Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts

@DavyTheWise

Yours is probably the comment that spurred me to volunteer this series to Royce.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@f5alcon

Maybe I misunderstood your question about what percentage of national tv games goes to teams. I am not sure how much ad and subscriber revenue the cable networks get against their purchased rights but I guess they think it is enough.

The Lakers' local deal sounds crazy but maybe it isn't.

prye05
prye05 5pts

@DavyTheWise
It'd be hard to institute as soccer has lots of teams with various levels of money and experience and what not so relegation is easier to implement. In the NBA there really isn't a second division currently as the D-league isn't completely viable. If the NBA were to make some kind of agreement with Euroleague to setup a playoff format similar to Euro-Cup then there is a chance that the idea would have greater backing. The hard part comes in the player distribution and cap specs, which is where things get really difficult because a small market team won't compete in that system of play if they aren't getting a good distribution, but if you add more teams it makes it more complicated and blah blah blah. Essentially unless you can start claiming college players before they become college players the market would be harder to divide amongst multiple leagues and still be viable talent distribution. However, creating a greater world market if tapped into Europe and China and India basketball would potentially create a larger revenue market making revenue sharing an easier proposition. Plus maybe weeding out a few teams doesn't necessarily hurt though in terms of a relegation league it does help to have viable divisions.

Crow
Crow 5pts

I'd guess there is a pretty good chance Sacramento files for relocation to put pressure on the city to finish a new arena study soon, a bargaining tactic that could be rescinded. I don't know how desperate the Maloofs financial situation is but it seems pretty desperate.

They might really be ready to move, having already decided that a new arena isn't happening or happening fast enough.

But I guess they could try to tread water another year.

I agree the league will wait with the New Orleans franchise.

DavyTheWise
DavyTheWise 5pts

Not that the NBA should/could/would... but thats my opinion. That article i linked above badmouths it for college football, but i think it would be a better option there as well.

DavyTheWise
DavyTheWise 5pts

Maybe the players should start their own league... that would be nuts.

I'm all for the Premier League idea for the NBA, in fact i think it is the best system to keep things fair for everyone involved. it just makes sense.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@f5alcon

I am pretty sure the national tv revenue is equally divided with nothing extra for being on tv.

If a network were to challenge the NBA they could possibly hand out some reality tv shows or part in them as part of a compensation package for stars to move. Players could possibly own a stake in those. If you want to go radical hip- and minimize the direct cash payouts for the league. And you could try to sell a pyramid of potential future entertainment deals (including sports commentating but beyond that) as a part of the lure of joining a new league.

DavyTheWise
DavyTheWise 5pts

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/220844-college-footballs-premier-league

Is this what you were referring to?

If so, thats a hell of a memory you have...

Thomas
Thomas 5pts

@DavyTheWise
There was an article on slate.com a year or so ago arguing that this system would work for college football. If you search for that it may have more details about how those leagues work.

DavyTheWise
DavyTheWise 5pts

This is one of those "I know its totally out there and not going to happen but..." statements... but

I love the way the soccer leagues are set up in europe. Its simple, in comparison to these

Things i like:
1. Premier League - you only get to compete against the best if you finish at the top of the league below the year before. in the NBA this would mean that at the end of each year, the bottom five or so teams would be moved, with all of their players, to the second tier league, and the top 5 (or however many) from the lower league would come into the "premier" league (i think the Baller league would work for a name).

2. the players contracts are pre negotiated for what the players will make if they move to different leagues with significant pay cuts for dropping to a lower one. this keeps the competition alive all year, and insures that no team bombs on purpose in order to get better draft picks.

3. more cities like OKC (small) could have teams that would in theory have a chance to move into the baller league if they were competitive enough in the lower leagues.

Dislikes

1. I don't think many soccer leagues have salary caps, but i suppose you could put one into a system like this without too much trouble.

2. player distribution - it seems to me that this may lead to some teams (Man. U., Lakers, Mavs, ect.) hoarding lots of talent and diluting the rest of the league. (although in europe, Manchester United and others loan players to other teams when they aren't starting or making the playing squad on the team who holds their contract. I don't know how this works, but it seems effective.

Does anyone know more about this?

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@prye05
maybe make player option years RFA so players are not just running away for more money as soon as possible, and maybe make voided contracts so that the team plays a percentage of a players new deal on another team

DavyTheWise
DavyTheWise 5pts

This is exactly what i was asking for yesterday, thank you Clark Matthews!

prye05
prye05 5pts

f5alcon :@prye05

yeah injured players shouldnt be voidable until after they return from injury, so if they cant perform they could be voided. maybe make it so players that are voided cannot be re-signed by the same team for a full season, so teams cant void as much.

And to help players have some control maybe give them more "player option years" so if they like playing with that organization they can stay there, and if they think they can make more money or don't like the situation they can void the contract sooner. If the owners have all the control with a void clause, lower contracts, fewer contracts, it does take away a lot of tools the players would have. Also if voided with multiple years on a contract there should be some compensation, or it should still count against that teams cap for that year or something like that so teams can't just trade for a player void their contract then immediately use the saved money to buy a new "better" player.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

what percentage of national tv games goes to teams, maybe they should have more nationally televised games.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@prye05
it would be nice for the dleague to be a full minor league.

prye05
prye05 5pts

@Crow
I think the only team with any relocation things would be the Hornets who are owned by the NBA currently, which I think gives them a chip in terms of contraction.

I think it'd be interesting if some "potential cities" would invest more into the D-league to make it a more viable league and then the NBA could relocate/contract a couple teams to the D-league and then have a relegation system like what English Premiere does. This might take a few years for it to really be achieved nicely since NBA franchises currently have way more talent base than the NBA, but there are lots of decent college players that don't have a spot in the NBA and go play Euro-ball why not keep them here and increase the sport here. Plus it fits in well if the NBA ever figures out contract rights to play games with Euro-league which uses a relegation system for selecting teams for the highest part from the smaller leagues in each country. This way only the top teams in the NBA and top teams in Euro-league would have a playoff system for "world champion" and then NBA teams would compete for a regular season title and smaller playoff set. Just my thoughts on something interesting.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@prye05
yeah injured players shouldnt be voidable until after they return from injury, so if they cant perform they could be voided. maybe make it so players that are voided cannot be re-signed by the same team for a full season, so teams cant void as much.

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