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Oklahoma City went big on deadline day; what’s it all mean?

by Royce Young on February 24, 2011 at 2:26 pm 259 Comments

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Um.

Let me try this again. Um, wow.

Oklahoma City, who by all appearances was set to have another quiet deadline, just jumped up and made some noise. Not a little noise. Some serious noise. As in the Thunder just went from mild contender and likely second-round exit to a team people are legitimately afraid of.

It took making a tough decision in sending out well-loved Jeff Green and center Nenad Krstic to Boston for Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson. Upon first hearing about it, I had no idea what to think. Picturing this Thunder team without Uncle Jeff just didn’t seem possible. But once my attachment to him subsided, I was excited.

OKC is now a contender. Like a for real contender. Like a team that could potentially win now. No more of this wait until next year stuff. Wait until now. Because the Thunder is scary good.

What it took though, was making a very intentional decision to move on from the develop and build idea and go more into a win-now mode.

There has always been a very specific ideology for Sam Presti in Oklahoma City. Build a group of young players that can grow and develop together. It started in 2007 when he took Kevin Durant No. 2 overall and acquired the fifth pick Jeff Green for Ray Allen. From there, the pieces started to fit.

And this Thunder team jumped way ahead of schedule, winning 50 games last season. Because of that, the slow development process sped up. There was an obvious opportunity to win now, and while the existing team was definitely good, there was always something missing.

Most of that centered around Green and his starting power forward spot. There always appeared to just be something missing there. He was undersized, didn’t fit well next to Nenad Krstic and lacked on the glass and the defensive end. He could hit big shots and make big plays, but is was always clear that something wasn’t right.

So Presti put his finger on the big red button and finally pushed it.

A bittersweet day for Thunder fans as Green was a clear fan favorite. He was always close with teammates Kevin Durant, James Harden and Russell Westbrook. He was always seen as one of the core members of this group. But in the world where what counts is wins and losses, not how much fun you have and how well you get along off the court, it was a deal that had to be done.

The Thunder already was uncertain about Green’s future, choosing not to sign him to an extension earlier in the season. He was set to become a restricted free agent this summer and even there, he was likely to get an offer that would be out of the Thunder’s comfort zone.

While Perkins is an unrestricted free agent, he fits what OKC would be willing to pay for. The Thunder tried to lock down a defensive-minded center two years ago when they traded for Tyson Chandler. But that deal was rescinded because of Chandler’s physical and it put OKC back to work finding that help inside.

There is some concern about Perkins’ health as he just returned from a torn ACL a month ago. But he’s played pretty well and looked healthy. Plus, he’s only 26. It’s not like he’s some old guy. He could potentially be as much a part of the long-term future for the Thunder as Green was. Think about that: Not only did Presti make a move for the present, he might have just made a terrific one for the future. Now that’s a good trade.

The offseason will be important because it would be a shame to lose him, but then again, if OKC was going to lose Green anyway, better to get two months out of Perkins and make a real run at this thing, right?

What the Thunder did here was make a move for the now, finally. At the same time though, it doesn’t jeopardize the future in any way. Green wasn’t a sure thing in OKC anyway, and now Perkins gets a two month audition to earn a contract with the Thunder. OKC has improved itself against the beastly interiors of Los Angeles and Dallas and now can match up with anyone.

It came at a cost of sending out one of the city’s favorite players and a close friend and teammate with Durant, Westbrook and Harden, but it had to be done. At some point, you’ve got to win.

This is a learning moment for Thunder fans too. We’ve kind of fallen in love with our guys and seeing them go is tough. But this is how this works. We haven’t had to really go through this yet. Seeing guys like Chris Wilcox and Earl Watson in other uniforms doesn’t really sting. But now we’ve lost Green, a player we’ve been building with. It’s hard to forget the Broingtons videos, the friendship with KD and how much of a stand up guy he is.

But it comes down to what he can actually do, on the floor. And with an uncertain contract situation and the fact he was potentially hurting the team more than helping, the Thunder took a chance to get better. Wins and losses are what really matter in the end and if this deal makes you better, you’re stupid for not making it.

It’s a shame that Green’s last play in OKC is likely an airball after a bad decision to shoot a 3. Kind of fitting, I suppose.

And don’t forget: The Thunder also picked up a servicable veteran center in Nazr Mohammed who is in the last year of his deal and only gave up two players that aren’t ever going to see the floor in OKC. So now the Thunder’s front line features Serge Ibaka, Kendrick Perkins, Nick Collison, Cole Aldrich and Nazr Mohammed. Not bad at all. The Thunder wanted to upgrade the frontline and did they ever.

(I don’t really care about getting Nate Robinson, because it really has very little affect on this team. I don’t even know how he’ll fit in. Eric Maynor is still the backup point guard and if anything, Robinson might find some minutes as the third point guard in front of Royal Ivey. If you’re wondering, Robinson is under contract through 2012.)

Offensively, OKC maybe loses a step in Green’s 15 points a game, but that’s what James Harden is for. Plus, given the minutes, Ibaka can put up good numbers too. And look at this starting five: Westbrook, Thabo, Durant, Ibaka, Perkins. Tell me that doesn’t look good.

No doubt this is a bit of a bittersweet day. But it was a necessary one. The Thunder just got better. Much better. In the end, that’s what’s most important.

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lilrip133
lilrip133 5pts

Absolutely love these trades. I think we got exactly what we wanted and what we needed. Surprised we didn't buy out Nate Robinson or try to quickly flip him for cash or a pick, but I'm sure we could move him in the offseason. So excited to watch how the rest of the season unfolds.

Mike
Mike 5pts

He is exactly the sort of player that the team has been craving, a center that does the dirty work, plays hellacious defense, rebounds and terrifies opposing players. I think this may end up being the greatest trade in the franchise's history.

Mike
Mike 5pts

I have been following the Thunder since they got to OKC and visit this site at least once a day, but I have always been a celtics fan first. I loved perkins, he was really one of my favorites and the blow is a little cushioned by the fact that I get to watch him here now, but i am still sad. He will make the Thunder a hell of a team, you will come to love the scowl and the hardness he will bring to the team. This trade made the Thunder significantly better in a lot of different ways, congratulations!

cc_ltc
cc_ltc 5pts

DJ R7 :

okc baby :
Why is everyone getting all emotional. Green could be going to the Cavs or rebuilding Nuggets. Boston is pretty good team to go to.

Because bro, its a job where your emotions HAVE to play a part. KD, and Green entered a touch, and scary place together. Green was one of the first people to greet new players, him, and KD made Russel Feel at home. He help Ibaka learn English, and made him and Harden feel at home. Understand that him, and KD have been team mates since the start. As much as i bashed Green i never hated him, He just didn’t fit with the team. You know the quote “brother from another mother” well it applies to these guys in more than one way.

Good luck to Green! Facing the fact of win or go home in the post season, thurders are in great shape now.

Crow
Crow 5pts

The Morris brothers at Kansas might be good targets in the draft.

Crow
Crow 5pts

I guess nba.com shows the pick included.
So Woj sorta mislead me.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Is it clear whether they included the pick in the package or not? It is a hassle to check a half-dozen places and see different things. Woj did not include the pick in his twitter reports.

DJ R7
DJ R7 5pts

okc baby :
Why is everyone getting all emotional. Green could be going to the Cavs or rebuilding Nuggets. Boston is pretty good team to go to.

Because bro, its a job where your emotions HAVE to play a part. KD, and Green entered a touch, and scary place together. Green was one of the first people to greet new players, him, and KD made Russel Feel at home. He help Ibaka learn English, and made him and Harden feel at home. Understand that him, and KD have been team mates since the start. As much as i bashed Green i never hated him, He just didn't fit with the team. You know the quote "brother from another mother" well it applies to these guys in more than one way.

PNT
PNT 5pts

@okc baby
Don't you ever feel a little down when a friend moves away?

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

Why is everyone getting all emotional. Green could be going to the Cavs or rebuilding Nuggets. Boston is pretty good team to go to.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Collison might stay mostly at C, but he does they really would need somebody else at PF.

Unless they were to shift Durant there for 15-20 of his minutes. I don't think they will do that this season but something to watch.

DJ R7
DJ R7 5pts

https://twitter.com/colea45

Coles Twitter. I don't believe Green has one.

DJ R7
DJ R7 5pts

Some very emotional tweets by KD, Cole Aldrich, Ibaka, and Nate Robbison. In Ibakas tweets, the one in spanish he says he wishes luck to his former teammates, and names them. He then Go's on to say they were good teammates, In another he says that Jeff Green was a brother to him, and loves him very much. I know this because spanish is my first language lol. Anyhow heres some of the links.

https://twitter.com/nate_robinson

https://twitter.com/sergeibaka9

https://twitter.com/KDthunderup

Greg
Greg 5pts

Agree it's a bit generic.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@Greg

Alright. Some of Woj's stuff is right on.

Some I don't trust. I think he probably stretched what he really knows about Isiah & Dolan but maybe I am wrong.

OKC in a list of 4 teams or so who might pursue Kapono sounded pretty generic, might be true, might just sound that way.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Perkins is at 3 per 10 min or slightly above.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Daniel Plainview :
Correction on the Aldrich estimates: 3.5 reb for every 10 min

3.5 reb for every 10 min would be very nice. Only a couple Centers do that. Even 3 per 10 min would be well above average for a Center.

Greg
Greg 5pts

Woj was the first to break the Perkins deal.

justin
justin 5pts

Greg :
If not Lat, then who?

Someone who gets bought out. A big guy would be ideal. I don't think we'll have a shot at Troy Murphy. If Kapono is bought out he could be an option.

Greg
Greg 5pts

If not Lat, then who?

justin
justin 5pts

Crow :
If Harden is not assertive and productive from here he will hurt his standing.

He seems to produce when he gets opportunity.

DJ R7
DJ R7 5pts

jocro :
Two favorite Jeff Green moments, in remembrance (mostly personal/visceral, not HIS BEST, but instead MY FAVORITE)
1. Back to back threes late in the fourth against the Celtics last year.
2. Dunking on Josh Smith.

Dude those are my exact favorate Green Moments. I think we all need to create a new thread parting ways with jeff Green. Heck Royce is there anyway we can get Jeff Greens adress? i know alot of people who want to send this man a thank you later, and i would too. I was among the fisr to hear about it on ESPN, and on tweets commenting about it. i couldn't believe it, and well wow. It is a move needed to be done, and Now Green can lead the Celtics in the future when Pierce is up.

Crow
Crow 5pts

If Harden is not assertive and productive from here he will hurt his standing.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

Correction on the Aldrich estimates: 3.5 reb for every 10 min

Crow
Crow 5pts

I should have checked first. I guess it is from Woj? I am not going to put any weight on it yet.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

And if Harden gets 30 plus min, I predict, 16.5, 6 reb, 4.5 assist, 1.8 steals

Crow
Crow 5pts

Cook may have the opportunity to carve a regular niche in the rotation.

Any links to the Kapono rumor?

justin
justin 5pts

I wouldn't call up Lat Williams yet, save that for next season.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

I know little about basketball, however I knew before the Spurs game I hoped we had learn to protect the corner three agins SA. THEY ALWAYS DO IT. If i can discern this why cant the Thunder?

I am very excited to see Cole get some minutes in the near future. I think Alrich will avg 4.5 rebs for every 10 min he plays. And, too, 2.5 fouls

Crow
Crow 5pts

@f5alcon

I don't know if they go 10 day on lat will because if they did they have to keep him or lose him. they may prefer to wait til next season for that or beyond.

By the numbers Collison was 50/50 PF & C in 2007-8. In 2005-6 he was mostly PF. He can't play the same style PF defense as Green- switching a lot, chasing shooters. I hope he stays at home at PF and I hope they plan it that way.

C_Dub
C_Dub 5pts

Honestly guys, nobody here is happier than me. This is AWESOME. Wooooooooo!!!

It's too bad we won't see Perk destroy Bynum on Sunday like he usually does but come playoff time, we could be dangerous. Very, very dangerous.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

portland got crash, i hope we avoid them first round, playing hornets will be easy now

Crow
Crow 5pts

@dream catcher

They will have to convince Perkins to re-sign in the off-season but they moved into the position of being able to pay him the most as well as make him welcome, wanted, comfortable. I'd hope Brooks / Westbrook make the extra effort to get him an extra bucket or two to feel good and to feel elite and help deliver elite team performance.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

if harden can make up jeffs scoring load and with a load of defensive bigs that will prevent pentration we could end up top 10 in both offense and defense.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

so maybe this is why the rumors about us signing kapono started we have the roster spot now. What about grabbed lat will, maybe just a couple of 10 day contracts see how well he does in the big leagues

clarkem
clarkem 5pts

I want to not like Lebron, but watching him prove that Rose doesn't deserve the mvp right now is awesome!

nick
nick 5pts

Since I had class I didn't have a chance to give my two cents on all this. Like most of the people here, I'm really happy. As harsh as it sounds, the most important thing to me is removing Jeff Green from Scotty's hands. He can't put Jeff out there for 40 overmatched minutes a night any longer. Perkins is a defensive force, and with Ibaka getting significant minutes now our interior defense should be MUCH improved. Hopefully we take advantage of that and stop overhelping so much on the perimeter, in which case our defense could really make strides. I think our offense will be fine IF Brooks is smart enough to play Harden big minutes, we'll need his scoring. Not that Jeff was especially efficient, but he did at least have the ability to create shots. That's the only thing worrying me at this point, whether or not Brooks will finally let Harden off the leash. If he does, I think we're bona fide contenders at this point. We finally have the size to match up with anybody. Sam Presti, I salute you.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@justin

Perkins is the right age now. Krstic and Collison showed Spur preference for vet bigs, at least for part of the job. Green did not fit that.

PNT
PNT 5pts

@okc baby
This has got to force Brooks' hand about starting Harden.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

i hope KD gives perkins a call and welcomes him, and that when he first suits up we cheer extra loud for him.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@DXL

There are multi-season Adjusted +/- based numbers that say Perkins is good at defensive rebounding and one of the very best at reducing opponent FG% and FTAs via blocks and intimidation. When healthy.

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

Perkins is going to have to get used to Brooks. Doc spoiled him

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

Green and Nenad are going to be just fine:) Wonder how our offense is going to be now?

justin
justin 5pts

@clarkem

Nate has to stick around, he'll be a great prop in the dunk contest for Ibaka next season.

clarkem
clarkem 5pts

People say this is a move to beat the Lakers, but if the inside defense is better its a move to beat the Spurs. No excuse for bad 3 point defense when you have a defensive powerhouse in the front court.

justin
justin 5pts

When's the last time Collison got to play primarily at PF? I see his effectiveness rising.

jocro
jocro 5pts

Two favorite Jeff Green moments, in remembrance (mostly personal/visceral, not HIS BEST, but instead MY FAVORITE)
1. Back to back threes late in the fourth against the Celtics last year.
2. Dunking on Josh Smith.

Crow
Crow 5pts

@Keith

Yeah they had to get back to a more defensive mentality.

Starting Ibaka at PF is either a defense-first choice or a 1/1A combo with a nice enough offense.

clarkem
clarkem 5pts

Love our front court now. Perk Nazr at C Serge Collison at PF with Cole given time to develop. Cook will get more minutes backing up Kevin in place of Jeff and that in turn forces Harden to play a little more at 2. I really don't understand Nate though. I think we would have bought him out if possible, but instead probably take whatever we can get for him this summer.

jocro
jocro 5pts

@Keith
Now hopefully some stronger interior defense will reduce at least some of the over-helping by our backcourt.

But as much as this trade improves the team, it will be hard watching Uncle Jeff play in another jersey. I'm a G-town fan, and among us Green is very much respected and loved.

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