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Thunder at the deadline: Ranking the assets

by Royce Young on February 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm 97 Comments

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It’s deadline time and while we’re all wasting hours at work putting together incredible four-team deals on the trade machine, nothing is probably happening for Oklahoma City Thursday. Maybe something small, but for the most part, I expect the Thunder to ride out the existing roster to the summer.

The front office has built this team with a mind to let a young group of players learn, grow and develop together. And that’s what is happening. The fact that the process sped up last season with the team winning 50 games has increased a lot of fan’s eagerness to try and win now. And while Sam Presti and the Thunder decision makers definitely want to put a team on the floor that can win a championship, they also aren’t willing to jeopardize the future to do it. That’s always been the mantra since day one of the Presti administration.

The Thunder’s calling people. They’re talking deals. They’ve inquired about a number of big men around the league. But mostly of that is just conversation. Something could materialize, but OKC is perfectly fine in seeing what the current group can do this year if that no-brainer trade doesn’t present itself. You may not like it, but you’re not in charge. So deal with it.

But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take inventory. It’s asset ranking time. (Here’s last year’s if you want to compare how things have changed.)

THE UNTOUCHABLES

1. Kevin Durant. Do I really need to waste your time with 200 words explaining why Kevin Durant wouldn’t ever get traded? I mean, do I? I’ll put it this way: LeBron for Durant — I still take Durant. Season 4 of “The Wire” for Durant — I take Durant. Free Chick-Fil-A for life for Durant — OK, that’s a little tougher, but I still go with KD.

2. Russell Westbrook. I said last year that Westbrook was nearly as untouchable as KD. If that gap last season was an inch, it’s a millimeter now. Most see Westbrook as taking The Leap this season, but he really took The Step last year. He went from erratic, out of control youngster into a real, legitimate playoff point guard. And one of the best playmakers in the league.

Westbrook is going to get paid by the Thunder and I don’t think Presti anticipated having to drop the dollars on him that he will. But every penny will be worth it. Put it this way in comparing KD and Westbrook: If Presti showed up at Durant’s doorstep at 12:01 with an extension in hand, he better be at Russ’s door at 12:01:01.

3. Serge Ibaka. Yep, I have Ibaka in the not-to-be-touched camp. The Thunder organization thinks extremely high of Ibaka, but honestly there aren’t too many deals out there not involving Dwight Howard that I think OKC would do involving Ibaka.

I can rattle off all the upside things about him. He’s just 21, he hasn’t played organized basketball that long, his rapid improvement of the past two years has been insane, he’s just now finding an offensive game — but really it’s just that even right now, Serge Ibaka is really, really good.

SUPER CLOSE TO UNTOUCHABLE, BUT WE’LL HEAR YOU OUT

4. James Harden. I will fight you if you try and tell me the Thunder blew it on Harden and should’ve taken Stephen Curry. Mainly because I remain convinced Harden is just the right fit for this roster. Playing alongside two of the most talented offensive players in the world, Harden has had to figure out how he fits. And while some nights he disappears, the guy is a 22-year-old second-year player that’s trying to adjust from being an All-American scorer in college to a second unit role player. I’m sure that’s not easy.

But Harden has been coming along. Compare him to other Sixth Men of the Yeah candidates and he’s really not far off. He’s shooting 36 percent from 3 and continues to pick up confidence, which appears to be his achilles heel. At some point Harden will become the starter, but it really doesn’t matter as long as he sees ample minutes. He’s not quite untouchable because the Thunder could live if they traded him, but only if it filled a major need somewhere else. I truly believe if you subtracted James Harden from this roster without putting anything back, you could also subtract at least 10 wins too.

AVAILABLE, BUT IT HAS TO MAKE US BETTER

5. Jeff Green. At this point, if you haven’t plugged Jeff Green’s name into the Trade Machine at least once, I’m not sure you’re actually a Thunder fan. Last season, he was on the untouchable side of things, because people (read: me) were still holding out major hope for a big jump in a contract year. That hasn’t really happened. Green still plays his role well, but he hasn’t stepped into that strong power forward OKC was hoping for.

Green’s name has been brought up in a number of trade scenarios for the Thunder and while I don’t think he’ll be dealt, he’s at least available. The Thunder still thinks highly of him so it’ll take a really good deal for OKC to pull the trigger on moving him. Green’s future with the Thunder if he remains is probably a role adjustment, which I think he’d be fine with. That’s why the organization loves him so much. He does what he’s asked and never bucks about it. Other teams are intrigued with him because if he were placed in a more central role they feel he might put up bigger numbers but again, it’ll take a big deal for OKC to agree to anything.

5. Nick Collison. Reality is, Collison isn’t going anywhere. He just signed an extension with OKC and the organization loves him. It wouldn’t shock me if he spends his entire career with this franchise. But it’s kind of ridiculous to say Collison is untouchable because let’s face it, if a great deal presented itself and Collison was part of it, I’m sure we’d part ways.

6. Morris Peterson’s expiring contract. This is probably the most likely thing to get dealt. Expiring contracts are the currency of the NBA and Peterson has a nice mid-level, $6.5 million contract. And honestly, he’s not a bad player either. If space cleared in front of him on a depth chart, he could contribute. So not only would he be an expiring deal, which is valuable, he might actually add something too.

The reason OKC might not want to deal him is because having an expiring deal works two ways. It also expires for you too. Over the past few years the Thunder has shown it prefers to keep the expirings (Etan Thomas, Kevin Ollie) and just let it tick out and help the salary cap on its own.

7. Eric Maynor. The situation with Maynor is one of those where you tend to overvalue your own guys, but he’s one of the two or three best backup point guards in the league. What keeps him down a bit is that I’m not entirely sold on Maynor being a legit starter for someone. He absolutely has the capability to spot start because of injury, but 82 games of carrying the load? I’m not sure. And I don’t think other teams are either. Which is why he’s a little lower on the list. Still though, the Thunder isn’t giving away Maynor for something that’s not terrific.

8. Clippers 2012 protected pick (top-10 protected through 2015, unprotected in 2016). With the way things are looking up in Clipperland with Blake Griffin and company, this pick’s value might take a hit. Then again, it’s the Clippers.

OPEN FOR DISCUSSION

9. Cole Aldrich. This feels low for Aldrich, I agree. But he was taken to make an impact on this team on the boards and in the paint, but it hasn’t happened. I think the team likes him and is perfectly fine waiting out his development a bit, but I also don’t think they’d balk at dealing him for a player that could actually impact the team this season.

10. Nenad Krstic. Much like Morris Peterson, Krstic has an expiring deal and is a productive player. The Thunder would absolutely trade Krstic at the drop of a hat, especially if they felt confident in Cole Aldrich’s ability to step in and play. Or if Krstic helped net a good player.

11. Thunder 2011 first round pick. First round picks are always valuable because you get a potentially good player at a cheap rate. Even though the Thunder’s pick will be in the 20s somewhere, it’s still something good to add in to a deal. Plus, the Thunder doesn’t really need to use it this spring. The roster is already pretty jammed up as is.

12. Thabo Sefolosha. Thabo has really slipped in value, mainly because he’s not nearly as important to the Thunder as he was last year. James Harden’s defense is rapidly catching up and Thabo is and will always be an offensive liability. He signed an extension with OKC last year and is a player that’s cheap and potentially productive on one end, but the Thunder’s not married to him.

WHADDAYA GOT?

13. Daequan Cook. I went back and forth about how I felt about Cook. A month ago, he may have been near the bottom. But recently, he’s played really well and actually is probably a better value than Thabo. He’s only signed through this season unless he gets a qualifying offer in 2012. He’s come along recently and may actually deserve more playing time than Thabo, but I get the feeling the Thunder wouldn’t hesitate in throwing him into a deal.

14. D.J. White. For someone, White is going to make an impact. He’s been stuck in a bad spot since he arrived in OKC. He’s dealt with injuries and the depth chart his entire time with the Thunder. He can be productive off the bench for someone. I’m convinced.

15. Byron Mullens. Who wants a project big man? Anyone? Anyone? (I will say though that something in me feels like Mullens has some potential. For a 7-1 guy, he’s got good touch. He just doesn’t know how to rebound or defend. And that’s why he bounces between OKC and Tulsa.)

16. Royal Ivey. A solid third string point guard that can defend. That should count for something, right?

17. 2011 second round pick. Just think, with this pick, you could get someone like DeJuan Blair! (cries wildly into a pillow)

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Crow
Crow 5pts

To trade Ibaka it would have to be a clearly better long-term big.

Westbrook- Harden might improve over time but it may take directed work to do so rather than just happen naturally.

Mullens at PF is pretty unlikely to be used by the Thunder at all or much ever but hypothetically some team might want to try. Some tall guys are not going to succeed at Center. Like a lot of the past Sonics / Thunder Center projects. Maybe one or more might have succeeded at PF. In geeral I'd rather try the second option some than not know.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Westbrook may be untouchable, but not nearly as KD to me. I doubt teams call about him unless Westbrook or his agent make noise or suspicious no comments.

Ibaka is in the not-to-be-touched camp unless you got a clearly better big.

Harden may or may not be better than Stephen Curry for team but we’ll probably never know. Harden has made some progress. But Westbrook-Harden-Durant is not in the top 50 Thunder triplets and Westbrook-Harden is not in the top 50 Thunder pairs by net team +/- for the season.

Byron Mullens. Has he played any PF in Tulsa? How did he look there? If not, why not at least look at it?

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Mark!
yeah but hard to say if that is a trend or just 1 game.

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@f5alcon
yeah i know, mostly joking about the 76ers being that high and still under .500...

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@f5alcon

If Cole is going to be placed ahead of White, then I disagree.

With Cole in the rotation, White wears a suit (like he did last night.)

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Mark!
white played when green was injured so he seems to be next on list of bigs.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@gr8ball83
the margin of victory the last two games helped

Keith
Keith 5pts

@gr8ball83
So long as we don't get blown out again by the Spurs we should stay there.

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@Mark!

I'd also put Royale Ivey ahead up DJ White since he's only an injury to Westbrook or Maynor away from breaking into the rotation while I don't see much opportunity for Mullens or White at this point.

But that would really be picking nits, right?

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

Good news! We're ahead of the 76ers in Hollingers Power Rankings finally :)

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

Re: This Article

I don't disagree w/ much of it. I'd put the untouchable bar below Westbrook instead of below Ibaka. I definitely agree Ibaka's 3rd on the list, just don't see how he's untouchable on the same degree as Durant or Westbrook.

Mo Pete's contract at #6 is baffling to me. How is his expiring contract more untouchable than Nenad's expiring contract? Mo Pete doesn't even suit up (unless you count Armani), Nenad starts. I'm not saying Nenad is untouchable, just not sure how Mo Pete's contract is relatively more untouchable.

I'd move Mo Pete's contract down to #10 and move Nenad up to #8 just ahead of Cole but still in the open for discussion bracket. I know Cole has potential or whatever, but Nenad is seriously underrated around here IMO. I could be talked into having him at the bottom of the "available but has to make us better column." Seems like a close call to me.

RWisMyFavThunder
RWisMyFavThunder 5pts

I thought Thabeet played well in place of Gasol in 2009. I just remember that the people who picked him up for a few games in my fantasy league weren't disappointed by his blocks and boards.

Crow
Crow 5pts

I should have said Memphis did well as a team with Thabeet and Gasol on the court together. I haven't checked their individual numbers in that time.

Crow
Crow 5pts

I probably wouldn't go after Thabeet but I did notice that he wanted to go to the Thunder over Memphis at draft time and that he and Gasol performed well together in 09-10. If you did go after Thabeet it may be more important than typical that you put him in a good big man pairing.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

*throw in a framed narrative or two.

Damn autocorrect.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

@Hawaiian Rob

Reading a Rick Reilly column is like being tricked into watching lifetime because you saw the movie was about zombies. Sure, there are zombies, but their feelings are somehow hurt and they cry the whole movie without eating anyone.

So yeah, Reilly's column is about some random athlete, so you start to read it, but you're supposed to weep and cry at the end. And if it isn't happening, through in a framed narrative or two and that should do it. Besides, it's just opinion right? It can't be wrong.

Reilly should have written Hallmark cards instead.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

@Hawaiian Rob
If he sucks he sucks,its a consensus

Keith
Keith 5pts

@gr8ball83
I agree, but Millsap is currently a better PF than Ibaka is. I would have no problem bringing Ibaka along at both positions then moving him wherever he fits best in a couple years (Millsap will be in the final year of his contract when Ibaka is first re-upped). But, as per my original trade idea, I think we could bring in Millsap and Dalembert together for at least this year. Dalembert gives us a true center, and I'm sure is much cheaper next year if we actually care to bring him back.

Hawaiian Rob
Hawaiian Rob 5pts

Ha, seems like there is a lot of unchecked aggression towards Ricky Reilly.

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@Keith
Yeah, I didn't realize how wide a body he was, still would rather have Ibaka at PF than C though

Keith
Keith 5pts

@gr8ball83
Yes, it is better than Green's. It's not his strength by any means, but he's wide and has some reach. The very fact that he can clean up the defensive boards would give him a defensive edge over Green, though.

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@gr8ball83
nevermind, millsap is bigger than I thought he was.

Heysloth
Heysloth 5pts

I take that back, his contract pays him about 3.4 million a year... Tool!

Keith
Keith 5pts

@Scott
I agree, I think we should acquire Millsap if he can be had for less than Ibaka. I'm not sure I really want Ibaka being our starting C long term, but I'd like it more than Green-Ibaka, Green-Krstic, or even Ibaka-Krstic.

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@Scott
ew, undersized PF paired with undersized C? Is Millsaps PF defense better than Green's?

TempBoy Brandon
TempBoy Brandon 5pts

I absolutely hated Reilly's piece comparing his son and KD. It was so pretentious and full of baloney. It was like putting down a millionaire businessman who gives away half his money to charity just because he still has more money than some college kid. Dumb article.

Heysloth
Heysloth 5pts

@Greg

Yeah that article comparing his son to Durant was dumb. I find it hard to sympathize with a kid whose dad makes 600 grand a year. I get it, Durant is rich, but you and your family are not really waiting in the soup line either... I bet being little Reilly Juniors friend is a pain in the tail. If I were still a struggling college student and my buddy with a millionaire dad started complaining about not having any cash I might just punch him in the nuts.

Scott
Scott 5pts

@Keith
To me, best case, we grab Millsap or Camby and neither deal involves Durant, Russ, Harden, Collison, or Ibaka. If it's Camby, then I say no Green either. I like the idea for next season of Millsap at the 4 and trying Serge at the 5 spot.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

Reilly is always trying to be controversial by seansationalizing shit. He mistakes his dramtic flair for insite. hes an incurable bore at best

Keith
Keith 5pts

@Scott
We could get any of them besides Nene if we wanted. But I don't really expect to see it happen.

Odds on us making a deal? I'd put it at about 30%.

props
props 5pts

Loud City Jimmy :
I generally like Reilly, but that piece on Durant vs. his kid was weak and I just don’t think he understands our situation in OKC.

in his latest column he's talking about how all the big names are conspiring together... and says "get ready Oklahoma City."

WTH?

does he not know Durant just signed a max extension?

Scott
Scott 5pts

So we've inquired about Nene, Millsap, Camby, Kaman, Jeff Foster and Thabeet.

What do yall think the odds are we get any of them?

DXL
DXL 5pts

Camby, Aldridge and Wallace is a nasty front line.

andrew
andrew 5pts

Greg :
Personally, I think Rick Reilly is one of the biggest tools to ever cover sports.

This. I enjoyed his columns when i was like 12 years old and reading SI. Then discovered other media outlets and realized he is awful. His Tiger Woods coverage makes me want to hurt something.

andrew
andrew 5pts

If Portland gets Wallace for Przb and a first that is robbery.

I would not want to play portland in the playoffs.

Greg
Greg 5pts

Personally, I think Rick Reilly is one of the biggest tools to ever cover sports.

DXL
DXL 5pts

@justin
Agreed, Ibaka's the key to getting a premier big man. If one is available. I doubt the Bucks would send us their franchise center, but, then again, who knew Deron Williams was available?

Bobcats may be selling Wallace very low. Pryzbilla, a pick and cash? Even with Miller that's not good value. Gerald Wallace is only 28 and his contract, while hefty, isn't ridiculous for his production.

andrew
andrew 5pts

@justin
Okay I guess it would be better to say that it just never happens.

I would trade Ibaka+Mo-pete for Bogut.

Even though Cole will probably be better than Bogut in 2 years. :)

Loud City Jimmy
Loud City Jimmy 5pts

Also...I am feeling more and more ok about not making any move right now. Though I would love to deal this year's picks for later ones. I think that is a great idea.

anonymous
anonymous 5pts

Greg :Who the hell runs point for PDX then?

I bet DJ Augustine is probably coming along with Wallace

Loud City Jimmy
Loud City Jimmy 5pts

I generally like Reilly, but that piece on Durant vs. his kid was weak and I just don't think he understands our situation in OKC.

Keith
Keith 5pts

@jocro
Yeah, I think you nailed it on the Bucks issues. Hinrich isn't worth much, Thabo is a backup on most teams, and Green just isn't worth Bogut. I think if we hold off on Ibaka, we have to lower our expectation of talent returning (swap Green for Ibaka and it looks at least a little more reasonable). This is why my trade was centering on Millsap-Dalembert. Millsap is good, but not star good, and not a center. Dalembert is a very limited player, but fills out needs better than others.

justin
justin 5pts

andrew :
It is impoissible to get fair value for a young big like Ibaka who is on his rookie deal. That is why he is untouchable imo.

Really? I dunno about that.

andrew
andrew 5pts

Rick Reilly couldn't name 4 OKC players. His credibility on NBA topics is close to zero.

This new CBA is going to have to up the revenue sharing if we expect all these small market teams to merely serve as punching bags for the the 7-8 big market teams.

justin
justin 5pts

Greg :
Who the hell runs point for PDX then?

Brandon Roy? :)

andrew
andrew 5pts

It is impoissible to get fair value for a young big like Ibaka who is on his rookie deal. That is why he is untouchable imo.

DSMok1
DSMok1 5pts

justin :
I think you could get a good trade for Serge Ibaka. He’s young and good, but I wouldn’t say he’s untouchable. Durant is untouchable. Russell is close, but if Orlando knocked on the door and said hey take Dwight Howard off our hands, I think OKC would have a major decision to make.
I can think of quite a few guys I’d trade Ibaka for.
Would you not trade Ibaka for, say, Al Horford? What if Andrew Bogut was on the table?

Horford yes in a heartbeat, Bogut...probably so.

Greg
Greg 5pts

Who the hell runs point for PDX then?

DXL
DXL 5pts

Oden's a restricted free agent who will probably sign for the mid-level exemption. He's out for the year. The deadline to sign him to a long-term extension has already passed. What's the point of trading for him when any team can sign him this offseason?

jocro
jocro 5pts

So this would make my life.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=45d7bn5

OKC gets: Andrew Bogut
OKC loses: Jeff Green, Thabo Sefolosha, DJ White, Byron Mullens

WAS gets: White, Mullens, John Salmons
WAS loses: Kirk Hinrich

MIL gets: Hinrich, Thabo, Green
MIL loses: Bogut, Salmons

Kinda fleecin' the Bucks, but a good deal for the Wiz and the Thunder.

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