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Who should the Thunder want to face in the first round?

by Michael Kimball on March 11, 2011 at 1:08 pm 52 Comments

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There are only 19 games left for the Thunder in the regular season counting tonight’s matchup against the Pistons. Did that come quickly or what? The playoffs have really crept up this year, seems like.

That means its not at all too early to look at possible playoff opponents for Oklahoma City in the first round. The Thunder isn’t necessarily locked in to the No. 4 seed, where it has sat for seemingly forever, but that’s where it will most likely end up. With a relatively easy upcoming schedule, it appears OKC is more likely to move up to No. 3 than down to No. 5, if any movement happens at all. But with the Lakers sitting in that No. 3 spot and already owning the head-to-head tiebreaker over OKC, the Thunder is probably sitting where it will wind up. And no matter where the Thunder finishes, its first-round opponent will come from a group of four teams: Denver, Portland, New Orleans, Memphis. Phoenix and Utah could still qualify for the playoffs, but there’s no way either of them will climb to No. 6 or higher.

A couple of those teams — namely the Grizzlies and Blazers — give me the heebie-jeebies. How disappointing would it be for the Thunder, judged by many pundits to finally be a “team of the present” after the Kendrick Perkins and Nazr Mohammed trades, to get home-court in the first round and then lose to another young team? I shudder at the thought. So who exactly should OKC want to play? Let’s list them in order, starting with the most favorable matchup.

(Quick acknowledgment: Darnell Mayberry tweeted about this very topic Thursday. I swear to you that I had been planning to write this post for today since earlier in the week. But it would be awkward to post this and not acknowledge Mayberry, whose coverage is essential for any Thunder fan, because I don’t want it to look like I’m ripping him off on purpose and hoping no one will notice.)

1. New Orleans Hornets
As of Friday morning: 38-29, No. 7 seed
Upcoming schedule: 15 games left (10 at home), 12 against teams over .500, 7 against current playoff teams
Season series with OKC: Thunder 3-1
Thunder fan fear factor: 2 (on scale of 1-10, with 10 being highest)
Wild guess at chance of playing OKC in first round: 10 percent

I think most Thunder fans would be licking their chops at the chance to play the Hornets in the first round — and it has nothing to do with the “OKC’s old team” thing, which is no longer interesting to folks around here, but I’m sure would be a constant fluff-piece topic for TNT. Unfortunately, though NO hung around the No. 5 spot for quite awhile, there doesn’t appear to be much chance of this matchup coming to fruition.

Oklahoma City came within a contested David West jumper in the final seconds of a game in New Orleans of sweeping the season series, and it seems likely that the Thunder matches up with the Hornets even better now with its new front line. I think OKC has better or evenly-matched defenders at every position except for small forward — and when Kevin Durant is locked-in, I don’t see him being much worse than Trevor Ariza.  And the Thunder has an edge or a wash at all but the power forward position offensively if you’ll allow for Chris Paul’s and Russell Westbrook’s vastly different strengths to be considered a tossup. I think OKC could take a series with the Hornets in five games, maybe even a sweep.

But yikes, look at New Orleans’ finishing schedule. Sure, 10 are home games, but that’s still a pretty tough slate. And it doesn’t help that Paul is coming off of a scary-looking injury, and the well-publicized problems with his knee that surely don’t get better as the NBA grind wears on. Groin injuries, like the one Ariza just came back from, have a tendency to flare up again as well. So I don’t see the Hornets being able to jump two more spots, or maybe even one more spot and play OKC if the Thunder can somehow overtake the Lakers.

2. Denver Nuggets
As of Friday morning: 38-27, No. 5 seed
Upcoming schedule: 17 games left (8 at home), 10 against teams over .500, 9 against current playoff teams
Season series with OKC: 1-1, home-and-home April 5 and 8 still to play
Thunder fan fear factor: 4
Wild guess at chance of playing OKC in first round: 35 percent

I wouldn’t have thought for a second that Denver could achieve a fear factor for OKC fans of 4 on a scale of 1-10 on the day of the Carmelo Anthony trade. I had no idea that the Nuggets would play as well as they are post-trade either. But how long can it really last? As the Nuggets figure out what they’re doing, won’t other teams be able to see that on film as well and better prepare for them? And they’re still not exactly dynamite defenders — surely the Thunder’s defensive ceiling is higher than Denver’s right now, especially in a head-to-head matchup with Kendrick Perkins now on OKC’s side to check Nene.

Aside from the defensive issues — which OKC also admittedly has — the other biggest problem I see for the Nuggets is a lack of a go-to scorer. J.R. Smith can and does get hot. Aaron Afflalo has been playing especially well of late. You could throw in Danilo Gallinari if you want, I guess. Perhaps even the speedy Ty Lawson/Ray Felton combo. But do you think any of those guys make even Denver fans feel warm and cozy at night as a go-to guy on offense in a playoff game? I doubt it. Besides, even the bevy of choices itself could be a problem. You need an established pecking order in April and beyond. I’ll take Durant, Westbrook and the February-and-onward James Harden over those guys.

Sign me up for the Nuggets, in other words. The next two teams … not so much.

3. Memphis Grizzlies
As of Friday morning: 36-30, No. 8 seed
Upcoming schedule: 16 games left (9 at home), 9 against teams over .500, 8 against current playoff teams
Season series with OKC: Grizzlies 3-1
Thunder fan fear factor: 6
Wild guess at chance of playing OKC in first round: 15 percent

I know OKC just got handed another Rudy Gay-less loss by the Grizzlies, and I know Tony Allen plays like a borderline All-Star against the Thunder. But I still don’t fear them the way I fear the Blazers right now. For one, I don’t think Memphis really got OKC’s best shot in any of the losses for all four quarters, and I wouldn’t expect that to be the case in the playoffs. And the Thunder has a pretty big edge over the Grizzlies in one key area: playoff experience.

KD, Westbrook, Harden and the other Thunderers who were with the team on Day One of this season played a hard-fought series last year, as I’m sure you’re aware. And Perkins and Mohammed, who each have a ring, surely don’t tremble at the thought of Memphis in a first-round series. But the Grizz? Does Mike Conley or O.J. Mayo really scare you when the lights are brightest? Or even Gay, who didn’t exactly turn heads in Turkey over the summer? Yes, Zach Randolph is a beast, and Marc Gasol sure played well the other night in particular against the Thunder. But the still-untested OKC front line of Perkins-Mohammed-Serge Ibaka-Nick Collison gives me confidence the Thunder could weather that storm for at least four out of seven games.

And in any case, despite a relatively nonthreatening closing schedule and only a three-game gap in the loss column from the current No. 5 seed, I just don’t see Memphis being able to climb high enough to play Oklahoma City. A little too much ground to make up. And, perhaps unfortunately for the Thunder, a little too much Blazers in their path.

4. Portland Trail Blazers
As of Friday morning: 37-27, No. 6 seed
Upcoming schedule: 16 games left (10 at home), 13 against teams over .500, 12 against current playoff teams
Season series with OKC: Thunder 2-0, home-and-home March 27 and April 1 still to play
Thunder fan fear factor: 8
Wild guess at chance of playing OKC in first round: 40 percent

Uh oh. The team that appears to be best equipped to beat Oklahoma City is only a half-game back from the No. 5 seed. And has a home-heavy finishing schedule. And plays in an arena that’s tough for visiting teams to play in. And has an 0-2 record against the Thunder that hides the razor-thin margin of both games. And just got Brandon Roy, the heart and soul of its team, back to lift them emotionally and otherwise. And generally plays OKC pretty tough.

About the only thing that could ease fears of playing Portland in the first round is the brutal, compared to the other teams currently seeded No. 5-8, closing schedule in terms of the quality of opponents. The Trail Blazers play all but three of their final 16 games against winning teams, and eight of those 13 games against +.500 squads are against the West’s top four seeds. So maybe the 40 percent chance I’ve given them to play OKC in the first round is a bit high … but then again, when Portland is on, they’re tough for anyone to beat. And that was before they got Roy back and Gerald Wallace in a trade.

It’s downright mean to even write this, but one “good” thing the Thunder would have going for it in a potential Oklahoma City-Portland matchup is that Roy’s knees could go at any time. And even though LaMarcus Aldridge is tearing it up right now, the Blazers’ front line doesn’t scare me quite as much as Memphis’ when the Thunder is on defense because Marcus Camby doesn’t present the offensive threat, and versatility, that Gasol does. Perkins and Ibaka can rotate on Aldridge, letting Scott Brooks go with the hotter defensive hand. In fact, I like the idea of Perkins being able to take on Aldridge and letting Ibaka play to his defensive strength by cheating off of Camby to unleash his devastating help defense on Aldridge and Portland’s driving scorers.

But while the Blazers may not be quite as deep as the Thunder 1-12, they might be even deeper 1-7 or so with Roy healthy. And Perkins remains a wild card. Anybody who says OKC knows exactly what its going to get this season from its new big man is full of it. He may not be able to be more than 85 percent or so, and that may not be enough to compete with a team like Portland in a taut series. Still, Portland represents the kind of matchup the Thunder was probably hoping to avoid by securing a top-four seed, even though everyone knows the West still features plenty of tough outs, even in the first round.

And we haven’t even broached the topic of who OKC might face in the second round. Everyone would probably prefer Dallas to San Antonio, right? That’s possible only if OKC can leapfrog the Lakers — and, of course, only if the Thunder can get past its first-round opponent. Part of me can’t wait until the playoffs start, but part of me is already scared.

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Joe
Joe 5pts

Oregon guy here and I can tell you unequivocally to not sleep on the Blazers. They will smash you. A very jekyll and Hyde team.

When things get close I give the edge to the coach with the most playoff experience. So that being said I more fear Denver, then the Blazers, then I don't care about Lionel Hollins or Monty Williams at all.

I think Memphis has just played the right game against us so far. It's not at all that they are more talented. We will crush them in a playoff series.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

We also played the Blazers before Aldridge turned into the player he's become since about December or so.

Joel
Joel 5pts

@qrex

True, but not a Blazers team with Gerald Wallace. Different team now.

C_Dub
C_Dub 5pts

I don't care who it is, bring it on.

qrex
qrex 5pts

@Joel
But the Blazers haven't beaten us yet while the Grizz own the season series.

Joel
Joel 5pts

I would switch the Blazers and the Grizz. We dislike them so much because of recency bias. Once we play Blazers here in a bit, you'll feel the same way with them.

ThunderUp35
ThunderUp35 5pts

innocent bystander :
re the post topic, here’s my ordering:
1. Hornets (least scary right now)
2. Nuggest (less scary)
3. Blazers (fairly scary)
4. Grizz (Nightmare on Elm Street)

agreed 100%, I do not, and i repeat, do not want to see the Grizzlies in the playoffs. The Hornets would be my preference to play in round 1

dream catcher
dream catcher 5pts

Sammy :
Pruiti’s article on the Laker’s PnR defense is fantastic and makes me really really want the Thunder to institute something similar with Perk.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1550

interesting.

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

Harden getting "aerodynamic" for tonight's game

keep it smooth, James
8)

dragonbug82
dragonbug82 5pts

@innocent bystander
agreed. i think the grizz would give us the most challenge. its obvious from my point of view the lakers want the spurs as their challenge. they feel comfortable with them.

TempBoy Brandon
TempBoy Brandon 5pts

I've only had the greatest experiences at Thunder games with all staff members, and the players go above and beyond to do stuff for the fans. It just comes down to a couple of security guards who probably didn't know who Scot Pollard was or who his companion was, and they just felt like they were doing their job. They have a job to protect our players, and I'm sure they were just taking it a bit too seriously cause they are concerned for their job. I think Pollard was a bit dramatic with his letter and his swearing off coming to another game. I mean, they did get KD's autograph and a couple of other signatures. I can see why he'd be upset, but I won't be shedding any tears for the dude.

joocy_d
joocy_d 5pts

Do any of the players sign autographs before the game?

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

re the post topic, here's my ordering:

1. Hornets (least scary right now)
2. Nuggest (less scary)
3. Blazers (fairly scary)
4. Grizz (Nightmare on Elm Street)

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@qrex
yeah, i mean it seems reasonable as they dont want random people walking around, the players could give those passes to anyone, and somebody could scalp them, so by being with the player they know you are legit. However they were just in the tunnel and obviously being watched by security and the players were not complaining. They probably should have gotten nick or a higher authority come before kicking him out though

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

Pruiti's article on the Laker's PnR defense is fantastic and makes me really really want the Thunder to institute something similar with Perk.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1550

Patrick James
Patrick James 5pts

@The Doctor

Yeah after I noticed parts of it matched what I wrote almost word-for-word, that dawned on me. Whatevs.

dragonbug82
dragonbug82 5pts

why do i have the feeling hes not telling the whole story about why he was asked to leave. idk, just seems shady. But on the off chance hes correct the security need to lighten up if thats the case. And why would he have to wait till collison was there to sign autographs, thats just..idk man.

at least our players were nice enough to sign for the kids.

andrew
andrew 5pts

Patrick James :@Heysloth

Did you even read this? I guess not.

Somebody is missing their sarcasm sensor today.

The Doctor
The Doctor 5pts

@patrick:

I think that was supposed to be subtle humor.

qrex
qrex 5pts

@f5alcon
I just wonder if it was policy, or they were just being over zealous.

Patrick James
Patrick James 5pts

@Heysloth

Did you even read this? I guess not.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@innocent bystander
yeah, the issue is with a couple of front line security guards, who probably have no idea who scot pollard is, and followed their policy, but it doesnt represent the nba as a whole.

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

still, despite Pollard overblown response, that was terrible -- they need to do something about that

I don't think Presti would be happy knowing that fans were treated that way

Joel
Joel 5pts

@innocent bystander

+1

innocent bystander
innocent bystander 5pts

I have mixed feeling about that. Pollard's encounter with security was terrible, and I hope Presti or others in the FO read about it and take some action.

However, the letter Pollard composed was ridiculous. Predicting doom on the NBA because he had a bad experience at a particular game was gross extrapolation. Sort of like "oh, you upset my kids... then a pox upon your house".

He should have simply written a letter saying "Your security guys are jerks. You upset my kids who just wanted a player autograph. Is this how you treat fans?" That would have been the appropriate response.

Heysloth
Heysloth 5pts

Jeez u totally stole this idea from Mayberry... he just tweeted it!! Are u trying to rip him off and hope no one will notice.... hahaha

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

somebody should tweet that at nick and KD, maybe darnell

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@DSMok1
wow thats bad. At least they are stopped with the metal detector stuff, i would really like to see the team step up and try and make nice with pollard

Skeletor
Skeletor 5pts

@DSMok1

This makes me sad

Ozarkhick
Ozarkhick 5pts

I looked up International Medical Corps information and Better Business Bureau status. Looks like they spend a phenomenal 93 cents on the dollar directly to programs. Looks like a good option.

Text MED to 80888

Joel
Joel 5pts

@f5alcon

I ask this because I don't think that a 1st round exit would mean a disappointing season. We're still putting all the pieces together, and still trying to see where they all fit. Now personally, I WOULD be disappointed, but the franchise isn't going to make an incremental jump every year. (Although I'm sure we all would love that!)

Loud City Jimmy
Loud City Jimmy 5pts

Cheer loud for me today fellas. I am in Romania doing some work for the next week so I will be watching the game via the internet at 2:00 am.

As to the question of who we want to face. I agree with the rankings NO then Den, then Mem, then Port. I think we can beat all of these teams, but some of them are certainly more dangerous than others. As for the second round, we are an underdog to any of the three other teams, but I think I am ok taking on San Antonio. If they beat us...well then they beat us. But if we can get by them, I think we have a much better shot at taking down the Lakers in the 3rd series than we do in the second, and maybe its crazy, because the Mavs always seem to find a way to exit the playoffs early, but this Mavs team when healthy scares me quite a bit.

Joel
Joel 5pts

@DSMok1

Is this an OKC Arena policy? Or is it an NBA league-wide policy? Somehow I don't think OKC Arena would have this in place.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Joel
i think a 1st rd win would be an instant successful season, but if we lose in 7 in the 1st rd or unforeseen circumstances, it could still be one.

TallCann
TallCann 5pts

@DSMok1
Man, I'm coming down for the Golden State game at the end of the month and I totally planned on getting there early to see if I could score a couple autographs. Hope the same doesn't happen to me.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Ozarkhick
probably the usually places like the red cross

PNT
PNT 5pts

I would be ok with seeing anyone but Memphis. They have our number and now they know it.

DSMok1
DSMok1 5pts

Scot Pollard with a story about the OKC Thunder security folks: http://www.lostlettermen.com/scot-pollard-nba-not-fantastic/

Joel
Joel 5pts

@andrew

I would agree on all points. So, does the Thunder have to make it to the second round for the year to be called a "success"?

Josh
Josh 5pts

Dont want to lose to anyone in the first round but losing to portland would be the most annoying. Their fans have the lakers fans arrogance without actually winning anything.

diddoff
diddoff 5pts

I don't scare Denver at all. They have the same enthuasiasm the Cavs had in the initial weeks of the season. It takes 1-2 more weeks and every team knows how to play the team with the new pieces.

The only thing that worries me is that the Thunder couldn't win in Denver.

andrew
andrew 5pts

Losing in the first round would be extremely disappointing.

Harden would have to play well for us to win a series with Portland IMO. However, the chances they get to the playoffs with a healthy Roy and camby is less than 50% IMO.

Patrick James
Patrick James 5pts

@Ozarkhick

@KingGondo

Yeah, or go here: https://american.redcross.org/site/Donation2?idb=0&5052.donation=form1&df_id=5052

Ozarkhick
Ozarkhick 5pts

I just texted "MED" to 80888 for the International Medical Corps.

If you can spare it, do it. Imagine being stuck under rubble, thirsty, hungry, in pain, in need of amputation. Imagine not knowing where your daughter is.

Josh
Josh 5pts

okay, probably shouldnt have laughed. Feel bad now.

Josh
Josh 5pts

haha. I chuckled.

KingGondo
KingGondo 5pts

@Ozarkhick
Text REDCROSS to 90999 to give $10. It's legit.

Ozarkhick
Ozarkhick 5pts

justin :

Ozarkhick :
Anybody know what the most legit method would be for helping Japan?

Stop plate tectonics.

Feasible? State Department, UN, giving blood?

justin
justin 5pts

Ozarkhick :
Anybody know what the most legit method would be for helping Japan?

Stop plate tectonics.

Ozarkhick
Ozarkhick 5pts

Anybody know what the most legit method would be for helping Japan?

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