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Thunder-Grizzlies Preview: Optimism and the edge of reason

by Royce Young on April 30, 2011 at 2:10 pm 42 Comments

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They were gone. They were history. They were no longer part of the equation.

But now, they’re back.

Expectation. Pressure. Stress.

After the Thunder wiped their hands clean of the Nuggets, in terms of just taking another step, it was mission accomplished. Winning a playoff series meant this season could be seen as nothing but a complete success. Oklahoma City had progressed a little more. There was another jump in the development towards becoming a champions. The 55 wins and a division title were great and all, but with homecourt, winning a series was the expectation. Anything less would lead to a wave of disappointment.

And it all went according to plan. Of course there always was the hope for more before the postseason started, but I don’t think anyone would be upset with a second-round dismissal at the hands of the top-seeded Spurs.

But then a funny thing happened. The Grizzlies won. And as a result, all that stuff is going to come back.

The majority is already picking the Thunder. OKC is the favorite. Vegas says so, all the people that type and talk for a living say so. The Thunder have homecourt, have Kevin Durant and should have an edge. The nerves, they’re back again.

Here’s my feeling though: I think people, myself included, make too much of this stuff. I mean, let’s face it — it’s the Western Semifinals. There’s going to be pressure regardless of the opponent at this point. When something like the Western Conference Finals are on the horizon, if you’re not feel a bit of anxiety, then you’re not human.

Against the Nuggets, the Thunder faced plenty of it. And I almost think they relished it. At a few different points maybe they looked tight and nervous, but in the biggest moment with OKC down nine and facing a Game 6 in Denver, I think the Thunder did just fine. No doubt the expectation to win has returned. The Thunder’s the higher seed. They’ve got home court advantage. If all goes according to plan, they should win.

Then again, so should’ve the Spurs. So really, at this point, I don’t even know what to think. I do know that I’m going to be terrified, excited, horrified, psyched and about a hundred other emotions leading up to tip-off before Game 1. This is a pretty awesome opportunity for the Thunder. And not just because they lucked out with getting homecourt, but because this team is capable of doing something special. But it all starts with Sunday.

Recent History

Throw out the previous four meetings. They don’t mean anything. That Thunder team that went 1-3 against Memphis isn’t this Thunder team. Not that there aren’t things to learn and take from those games, but in terms of just assuming this is a bad matchup for OKC because of those four games isn’t wise. Because the Thunder match up pretty well now.

Every game was close between the two teams with one game going to overtime. The average margin was just 1.5 points in Memphis’s favor.

The Starting Five

PG: Russell Westbrook does well against Mike Conley but don’t underestimate the Memphis point guard. He’s very good in the pick-and-roll and if you go under a screen, he’s entirely capable of knocking down a 3. This should be a good edge in the Thunder’s favor though. That is, if Westbrook can get his head clear and play loose.

SG: Interesting matchup here. Technically, Tony Allen is the starting 2-guard and of course Thabo is here for the Thunder. Both are on the floor primarily for their defense, but as we know, Allen tends to play awesome against OKC.

SF: The Grizzlies start Sam Young but Shane Battier gets heavy minutes here too. With the way Battier guards Kevin Durant, according to the numbers, I’d imagine we’ll see more Battier than Young. Either way, it’s not like KD doesn’t have a good edge here.

PF: If Zach Randolph doesn’t scare you, then you haven’t been paying attention. He’s been a bad, bad man this postseason. Against the Spurs though, they tried 71-year-old Antonio McDyess and Matt Bonner on him primarily. Serge Ibaka has a little more length, strength, athleticism and size than those two.

C: I really think Kendrick Perkins will do well on Marc Gasol. You could make a case that Gasol has been better than his brother Pau this postseason, but Perk is just going to settle into the post and push on Gasol. The Grizzlies have a great frontline, but OKC matches well against it.

Benches

The Grizzlies have put together a bit of a rag-tag bunch of really quality bench guys. Darrell Arthur has been huge. Greivis Vasquez has been great in a backup point guard role. Of course Battier and then O.J. Mayo who’s given a good scoring and shooting punch off the bench. They’re a dangerous group. With James Harden, Eric Maynor, Nick Collison and Nazr Mohammed though, the Thunder seems to have a bit more reliable depth. Pretty close here though.

Coaches

Both coaches are new to this. Lionel Hollins doesn’t get enough credit for the job he’s done with these young Grizzlies, because it’s been pretty spectacular. Like Scott Brooks, he’s not the best in-game manager, but he’s a solid motivator and will have his guys focused and ready to play. Brooks did really well in the opening series though, pushing a number of right buttons in adjustments, rotations, minutes and other areas. No edge here for either necessarily, but it’ll be interesting to see if either coach cracks a bit.

Five Important Questions

1. How will Lionel Hollins play the matchups? Scott Brooks is definitely holding the cards here. OKC knows its rotation and there won’t be a lot of adjusting to compensate for Memphis. But Hollins has some decidin’ to do.

Mike Conley has had trouble with Russell Westbrook every time they’ve played. Tony Allen though is a terrific wing defender and has the size and lateral quickness to hang with Westbrook. So Hollins could go with Allen on Westbrook and stick Conley on Thabo Sefolosha who we know is a major offensive liability.

Where it gets interesting is when James Harden comes in. Obviously Conley can’t guard Harden, so Hollins would likely go back to Conley on Westbrook and Allen on Harden. Or O.J. Mayo who is Memphis’s Beard. So interesting, these matchups are.

2. Related: Shane Battier or Tony Allen on KD? The numbers I posted yesterday don’t lie: KD actually averages 28.9 ppg per 36 with Allen on the floor as opposed to 21.2 with him on the bench. Against Shane Battier though, Durant averaged 30.5 with Battier on the bench and 23.4 with him on the bench (per 36). Battier has always defended Durant well and I’d assume that’s who Lionel Hollins would go with on KD. (The main thing Battier does so well is defend KD without fouling. Durant gets just 3.8 free throws per 36 with Battier on the floor against 8.7 with him off.)

One thing to watch is how the officials handle Allen playing Durant really physical. Allen is a bulldog defender that likes to use his hands. KD will need to bust out a few more Randy Moss moves.

3. How does Russell Westbrook respond? No denying he wasn’t himself in Game 5. He did hit a big time 3 though in the fourth quarter and made smart decisions with the ball getting it to Durant. He just was a bit passive, timid and didn’t shoot well. He needs to snap out of that because he could potentially be the Thunder’s biggest edge in this series.

4. Can Serge Ibaka handle Z-Bo? “Handle” is a loaded word. Because nobody is going to handle Zach Randolph when he’s got his game working like it is now. Can Ibaka slow him down a tick? I think so. San Antonio just didn’t have anyone really ideal to throw at Randolph and OKC has a number of guys to use. Ibaka did relatively well in the regular season on him and the thing is, Serge is far better now than he was in those first four meetings. Z-Bo scares me like he’s walking around with dynamite taped to his chest, but I think Ibaka can hang in there.

5. Does either team really have an advantage anywhere? Like I said, probably Westbrook at the point is OKC’s biggest advantage. But Memphis has two post guys that score, which OKC doesn’t. It’s a pretty evenly matched series really. Good, not great coaches. Good benches both. Solid starting fives with a fair compliment of defenders, shooters, slashers and scorers. I actually think the Memphis team with Rudy Gay was a better matchup for OKC because Durant did well against Gay. Having to see Allen and Battier on KD for a bunch of games makes me nervous.

Four Good Stats

1. OKC does not score the ball well in the paint against Memphis. Against everyone else, the Thunder shot 38 percent in the paint. Against the Grizzlies, just 29 percent.

2. A lot was made in the first four games about rebounding, but the Thunder actually held an overall average edge of 41.4 to 38.3.

3. The Grizzlies shot 33.4 percent from 3 against the rest of the league but just 17.9 percent against the Thunder.

4. Against the Thunder the Grizzlies took almost seven more free throws per game than they did the rest of the season (23.9 to 30.5).

Three Keys

1. Rebounding. Just mentioned it, but the Thunder actually did better than you think. OKC’s rebound rate was 52.0 to Memphis’s 48.0 in the four meetings. And that was with Jeff Freaking Green at power forward for four games. Now with the stronger inside unit of Perk and Ibaka, I think the Thunder should continue to do well here. Rebounding was a major plus for OKC against Denver and it needs to be again.

2. Interior defense. Defending Gasol and Randolph is where it all starts defensively. That’s where the Grizzlies want to score primarily from. If those guys get going with their high-low action, then they start expanding out and Memphis becomes a really tough team to defend.

3. Turnovers. OKC turned it over 17 times a game in the four previous meetings. That’s not good. The Grizzlies play as very active, swarming style of defending spearheaded by Tony Allen. Valuing the basketball, staying under control and make good, smart decisions with the ball is very important.

The Pick

I believe in the power of the arena formerly known as the Ford Center. I believe in homecourt advantage. All that pressure talk I went over? That stuff can get snuffed out in the comfort of your home. And in Oklahoma City, the Thunder are 5-1 in the postseason.

I think the Thunder learned a whole lot about each other during that Denver series. They had to stand together after Game 4 and respond. They had to hang tough in Game 5. They grew up. They made big plays. I think that series was a major step for this group in about 500 different ways.

But this series, man, it’s going to be a dogfight. Have you seen those crowds in Memphis? Those people are jacked up. Even winning one game on the road would be huge. I get the sense this series will be a lot of back and forth, a lot of alternating momentum and it’ll come down to which teams star makes more plays. OKC has a potential trump card in Russell Westbrook. If he is locked in along with Durant, I think the Thunder can get it done in six, maybe even five games. If there’s a lull again, these Grizzlies won’t forgive you. All I keep saying to myself is, “It’s going to be tough.” But I believe in the Thunder. I believe in the matchup. I believe, in Kevin Durant. I’m going Thunder, in seven games.

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CenOK
CenOK 5pts

Nevermind I don't think that record's getting broken haha. Still curious to know how many blocks he's averaging a game post-Perk.

CenOK
CenOK 5pts

How many blocks is Ibaka averaging since Perkins joined the line up? What is the record for blocks in a season? I've been up studying for finals all night so I'm too lazy to look it up, but I imagine he would have a legitimate shot at it next season.

walrusmuse
walrusmuse 5pts

Ibaka is averaging 4.8 blocks in the post season thus far, according to ESPN.

DJ 7
DJ 7 5pts

Daniel Hawaii :

Toxx :
The more i think about it the more i feel like this is the time to give harden major minutes. We will need his scoring and we can save thabo to counteract mayo’s offense off the bench

I absolutely agree. Thabo is not needed in the starting lineup in this series. They don’t have a 2 that can score. And we know Thabo won’t score.
So even though I know it won’t happen, I really hope Thabo’s role is greatly reduced in this series and James’ role is increased.

I don't even see how Thabo would be so effective. I mean Conley is good but he's not Parker. Hes played poor against Westbrook. Allen, and Batter can't score outside of 12 feet. Mayo isn't a 3 point shooter, and gets somwhere between 16-22 minutes a game. They can either go small and let Durant torch them or go with Conley, Allen, Battier. This of course the benifit of not having to double team down low anymore because of Perk.

justin
justin 5pts

Interesting stuff here: http://www.mysynergysports.com/synergystats/?away=grizzlies&home=thunder

dylan
dylan 5pts

Thabo and Tony Allen are going to guard each other and a black hole will open up and swallow the earth whole

dragonbug82
dragonbug82 5pts

i think thunder in 4 or 5 cause we are pumped up and we have better interior defence. Ibaka is playing at a much higher level too thanks to perk and if durant goes into "man with a mission mode" then i believe we can easily do this in no more than 5. First game at home will gauge what i think. I believe our boys are ready to go the distance and become champs ;) . but hey, thats my own personal opinion.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

Toxx :
The more i think about it the more i feel like this is the time to give harden major minutes. We will need his scoring and we can save thabo to counteract mayo’s offense off the bench

I absolutely agree. Thabo is not needed in the starting lineup in this series. They don't have a 2 that can score. And we know Thabo won't score.

So even though I know it won't happen, I really hope Thabo's role is greatly reduced in this series and James' role is increased.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

I think KD is on a mission right now to prove his "sub-par" regular season was a fluke. I think we're going to continue to see the KD that rocked the World Championships last Summer. Just give him the ball and get out of the way. He'll carry us.

On the other side, I think Zach Randolph is still going to give us major headaches and that Memphis crowd is going to be absolutely bonkers every game. The key is even if Z-Bo is getting his, which he will, we need to be able to slow the other Grizzlies players down.

With that said, I'll go with the Thunder in 7.

By the way, all 12 analysts on ESPN picked the Thunder. That's awesome, but also kinda scary.

shiki
shiki 5pts

They are poor edition lakers,so this series is a good test for us.If our big men can guard Randolph and Marc and KD can dominate Battier,we have great chance to beat LA

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

@JJJ
Chicago could sweep with Hinrich out. Miami in 5 and LA in 6.

JJJ
JJJ 5pts

What are yalls thoughts on the other series? I say Chi in 5, Miami in 7, and LA in 6

DJ 7
DJ 7 5pts

@H2HHombre

LOL oops, i didn't know i pressed the quote button. I agree though, i think thats how the games will come down too!!

Scott
Scott 5pts

OKC in 5. Westbrook might play like a head case in this series, but Durant will torch them and Harden will return to his 16ppg form.

DJ 7
DJ 7 5pts

H2HHombre :
I think it will turn out a lot like the Denver series turned out. It will be a couple of really close games coming down to who executes better in the final minutes of the 4th quarter, but from a whole team perspective we have the edge in talent. I want to say 5 games just like last series, but just want us to win the series. That will be good enough for me!

Yesterday night, Jeff Van Gundy was saying that the Spurs shouldn't be upset with their season. He mentioned how the Regular Season states the character of a team, and how the Post Season shows the talent. He said the Spurs are a very talented team but eventually talent can be outdone by a younger, harder working team(because they hustled more they worked harder than the Spurs did). I thought it was a good point then i remember what Durant said when he was drafted. "Hard Work Beats Talent, When Talent Fails To Work Hard", if we work hard and use the edge of talent we have. I don't see why we can't win in 5!

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

"of those* games"

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

okc baby :
We went 1-3 vs the Grizz and the only game we won was pre-trade. Something to think about.

This is pretty misleading. 1) we only played them once after the trade and 2) Perk didn't play in ANY of games (he was still recovering when we played them last).

Big difference in perspective.

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

We went 1-3 vs the Grizz and the only game we won was pre-trade. Something to think about.

kfmsooner
kfmsooner 5pts

The last 3 NBA 8 seeds to win their first round series:

Denver Nuggets, 1994, lost in 2nd round
NY Knicks, 1999, went to NBA Finals (strike shortened season, NY better than an 8 seed)
GS Warriors, 2007, lost in 2nd round

Other than the strike year, the 8 seed has lost in the 2nd round. I think Memphis will be a little happy to have achieved what they did and will be flat early. I look for OKC to take game 1 fairly easily based on this one factor. The biggest key is Harden playing with KD and Russ. That is a lineup that Memphis cannot handle. I cannot wait til tomorrow!

holeydonut
holeydonut 5pts

Still can't believe Memphis beat the Spurs without Gay.

Toxx
Toxx 5pts

Hey sammy, do ya think the huge 3 to tie the last game will instill more confidence in harden? I do. That opened KD's eyes to the fact that james is a big part of our team and can be trusted

cs
cs 5pts

It is obvious that Thabo should see very limited minutes in this series. I am interested to see if Brooks is too loyal/stubborn to change his rotations.

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

More minutes for Harden won't mean a thing if Westbrook and KD continue to ignore him. It's unfortunate that they do and may prove to be the chief flaw that causes the Thunder to lose a series, whenever that happens.

Hawaiian Rob
Hawaiian Rob 5pts

man, im walking around with my chest out all cocky knowing we are headed to the wcf. Pre perk trade team i would have said we lose in 6. Im not even worried about the grizzlies. That is until we lose a game and then ill start wondering if we should trade westbrook.

Toxx
Toxx 5pts

The more i think about it the more i feel like this is the time to give harden major minutes. We will need his scoring and we can save thabo to counteract mayo's offense off the bench

Toxx
Toxx 5pts

Will we see perk at pf and collison or nazr on gasol alot? We need to force z-bo out as far from the basket as possible. Russ is too big for conley that will force the rookie vasquez to play more than hollins would like. The key is harden, who will force memphis to play allen on himself rather than russ. Thunder in 6 and KD has a 45-50 point game are my predictions

Lefty
Lefty 5pts

@Bryson
Sure. I'm still picking us in 6, all I'm saying is to respect. :) we don't have a big problem about that around here, just trying to nip it in the bud a little.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Griz did very very well in the 2 games when Mohammed was on the court this year. Tiny tiny sample but still something to think about / watch. Collison did great against the Griz, in the regular season.

If the Griz win it themselves they will probably do so by winning big at PF and Center combined. They could also win it by primarily shooting better from the field.

Perkins vs M Gasol have each played for more than 25 minutes in the same game only twice career. By a simple offensive efficiency measure M Gasol won the matchup on stats once by a small margin and once by a wide margin. But Perkins and Celtics won both games. New team context for Perkins now.

H2HHombre
H2HHombre 5pts

I think it will turn out a lot like the Denver series turned out. It will be a couple of really close games coming down to who executes better in the final minutes of the 4th quarter, but from a whole team perspective we have the edge in talent. I want to say 5 games just like last series, but just want us to win the series. That will be good enough for me!

Crow
Crow 5pts

If I recall correctly it was Durant scoring 23.4 with Battier "on the court" (per 36).

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

OKC Bench outplayed the Grizz every time. Just sayin

Sammy
Sammy 5pts

BTW, the obvious solution, should Ibaka be ineffective in the post vs whoever he's guarding, would be to run a lot of Collison at PF

Bryson
Bryson 5pts

@Lefty

Denver is better than Memphis, and had momentum coming in...We won in 5. I agree we need to respect them, but not fear them.

justin
justin 5pts

Which isn't to say that we can't lose this series. Upsets happen.

justin
justin 5pts

@Lefty

Denver had a legitimate claim there. They were statistically the best team in the league after the All Star break. Memphis has improved since the break, primarily on offense, but they don't have the same kind of credentials. Denver was for sure a better team.

crmacdo
crmacdo 5pts

i'm going 5

Lefty
Lefty 5pts

I feel compelled to mention this.

We got angry with the Denver fans for thinking they were better than us when we beat them in the regular season. We need to be careful not to put the cart before the horses, so to speak. Memphis is good, and we have to fear and respect them, if we care about not being the people we got upset with, at least.

That said, Thunder in 6.

Landstander
Landstander 5pts

Bryson :
Seven, Really? I may just be feeling arrogant, but I call sweep.

There's no way this is a sweep. I'll be the first person to admit I was wrong if it happens, though...but Memphis is playing well, and their crowd looks like it rivals ours. Too bad nobody is going to bother to watch this series outside of Oklahoma and Tennessee... It should be a good one.

I'll guess Thunder in 6.

Bryson
Bryson 5pts

Seven, Really? I may just be feeling arrogant, but I call sweep.

Skeletor
Skeletor 5pts

I may be naive, and this may be disrespectful to Memphis, but I have a feeling the Thunder are going to give Memphis a good thumping tomorrow

justin
justin 5pts

We're better than Memphis offensively, and we're better defensively. I don't think Memphis has any crippling matchup advantages which is what killed the Spurs. Also:

Zach Randolph w/ Ibaka on Bench (Per 48): 26.6 / 60% FG / 14.4 REB / +14.4
Zach Randolph w/ Ibaka on Court (Per 48): 20.7 / 56% FG / 9.3 REB / -1.1

That's without Kendrick Perkins.

If the Thunder don't play complacent and play to about the same level they did to close the season and against Denver, I say Thunder in five. I feel much more confident about this matchup than I did about the Denver series.

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