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Thursday Bolts – 5.12.11

by Royce Young on May 12, 2011 at 11:19 am 134 Comments

John Hollinger of ESPN.com on Nick Collison: “This stat can be a little “noisy” in single seasons, but using data from multiple seasons makes it even easier to identify the most successful players. Combine the data from the past two seasons and rummage through the list of names for those who were in the top 15 in both seasons, and you’ll get four players who represent the cream of the NBA crop — LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki, Nick Collison and Dwight Howard. Wait, wait, whoooooaaa there … what was that second-to-last name again? Did you say Nick Collison? The guy who averages 4.6 points and 4.5 rebounds? THAT Nick Collison??!?!?! Believe it.”

David Roth of GQ with a profile in obscurity: “That being Oklahoma City, the city where Ivey has continued to cement his status as the most important third-string point guard you’ve never thought about. Like Ivey, OKC is something of an afterthought—a city that was never supposed to have a NBA team, a city whose best restaurant is generally agreed to be a Golden Corral and whose zoo’s prime attraction, a chimp named Mwami, keeps escaping his enclosure, as if even he would rather be in Tulsa.”

Mike Prada of SB Nation with a tremendous piece about the Thunder: “To review: in the span of four years, Westbrook shifted positions four times and accepted a bench role, and still rose to the No. 4 pick in the draft. The Thunder adopted the Durant approach with him, handing him the keys and letting him grow. As a rookie, Westbrook was among the league leaders in turnovers, but they stayed patient with him. Now, Westbrook is putting up similar numbers to the league’s MVP on a similarly-good team, all while continuing to provide all the energy plays they need. He outperformed said MVP in the World Championships in Turkey and earned his first all-star berth this season.”

Darnell Mayberry: “With that said, not for a second did I like Thunder coach Scott Brooks‘ decision to stick with Sefolosha once the Grizzlies showed the switch. If this was the Lakers, fine. But Kobe Bryant is somewhere fishing. The Thunder didn’t need Sefolosha’s defense, and he dang sure wasn’t providing any offense (did you see his first shot from the right corner?). Brooks can’t let Sefolosha stay on the floor and be a liability that allows the opposing team to take it easy. Worse of all, Harden didn’t jump off the bench to check in for the first time until five minutes were showing on the first-quarter clock. That’s seven minutes of, well, basically wasted basketball. There’s no wonder the Thunder had just 17 first-quarter points.”

Shawn Kemp claimed the Thunder offered him courtside seats to Game 1 versus Denver. I asked a couple of people that would definitely know about that and it sounds to me like Kemp made that up.

Berry Tramel: “The series isn’t over, despite the Thunder’s 3-2 lead. Randolph could rise up. Become again the horse that slew the Spurs and turned Loud City quiet in Game 1. Become again the player Kevin Durant called the NBA’s best power forward. Become again the player that relentlessly attacks for rebounds. But it doesn’t look promising for Memphis. It looks like the Thunder’s defense has taken over this series.”

My game column for CBSSports.com.

Hollinger’s game story: “Otherwise, this game didn’t have a ton of mystery. Memphis got flat-out pounded and has to recover Friday at home or its Cinderella season will come to an end. Oklahoma City has had the upper hand since Memphis picked it apart in the series opener, and one must fairly wonder whether the Grizzlies can stem what seems to be an increasing laundry list of Thunder advantages.”

Kevin McHale says the Thunder did too much celebrating during Game 5 and Memphis will win because of it.

Johnny Ludden of Yahoo! Sports: “We have to end the game with better class than that,” Perkins would later say after the Thunder’s locker room had nearly emptied. “That’s too disrespectful in my eyes. That’s not what the Thunder are about. … I think we were too flashy.” Too flashy. As NBA sins go, this was the equivalent of a 6-year-old disobeying his parents by jumping on the family’s new couch. If the Grizzlies were upset by the Thunder’s conduct, they didn’t complain publicly. But that doesn’t matter to Perkins. Three reporters and one camera crew greeted him after he dressed late Wednesday. No one asked about the end-of-game antics. No one thought to ask. Perkins raised the issue on his own because he had one more lesson to impart to his young teammates: “We haven’t done nothin’.”

TGR recap.

Dean Oliver of ESPN.com: “Both Henry Abbott and John Hollinger have written about Westbrook’s shoot-first mentality, but there’s an interesting statistical story brewing that they didn’t capture. Oklahoma City led the NBA in total points scored per assist, with 5.23 points per assist. (It was 8.31 in Game 4.) This measure isn’t talked about much, but it is a reflection of teams that get their points off the dribble and at the foul line, not off a lot of kick-outs to shooters or dishes to big men around the basket.”

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Power Serge
Power Serge 5pts

GQ... Oklahoma doesn't like you either...

DJ 7
DJ 7 5pts

I don't see why you guys keep arguing with cdub00, obviously the only thing most of us can agree on with him is saying "Go Thunder". We won't change his opinion. He truly believes Thabo should keep starting thats fine. I believe Harden should be.

BTW

cdub00 :@Jax Raging Bile Duct
is all that matters is having your “best 5″ start the game? Have you seen when Harden and RW and KD are on the floor together? Not exactly something to write home about. Granted with a limited sample.

That would be our Coach's fault for not knowing how to draw up, or call different plays. A little bit on Westbrook but the guy pretty much improvises when hes on the court cause our offensive sets are playground material.

I'll tell you one thing, We lost Game 3 the second Brooks put in Thabo in the stretch. Then tried to put Harden back in but by then momentum had truly shifted to Memphis.

FYI Brooks isn't a good defensive minded coach. I think you forget Ron Adams was the guy who worked his magic for us. If anything Perkins presence triggered the teams great defense. Before then Thabo and Co couldn't stop a team to sace their asses.

If "Work hard, Rebound, Hustle Hustle Hustle, Work hard, run on them, score your shots." is considered coachign then we have a joke of a coach. I know ESPN can't really show them calling plays so they show them ranting about "Score your shots", but i've heard Karl, Hollins, and Rivers say things that aren't as simple as "Work Hard, Rebound as a team!"

C_Dub
C_Dub 5pts

lol Tulsa acting like they are somebody.

How's the Shock btw???

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

Harden still isn't consistent enough to DEMAND the starting role. Some say use the stagger method to mitigate the offensive impotence of the proposed second offensive unit, and while that masks the problem, it sure doesn't solve it. IMO, Harden is better right now coming off the bench. Please keep in mind that isn't saying that he isn't a better overall player than Thabo. I do think this all changes during the summer.

Jimbo Slice
Jimbo Slice 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
Quit ruining it for him. Ignorance is bliss and he's obviously living there if he thinks we're better with Harden off the bench.

Think about this for a second: Our best plus minus tandems are Westbrook-Cook and Durant-Cook. Having Harden start, with staggered substitutions, puts some combination of Westbrook-Cook, Durant-Cook, or the current bench unit (who is wonderful) on the floor for more minutes than those combinations are currently seeing. PLUS our starters wouldn't suck as bad offensively and wouldn't suffer defensively. How does that NOT improve us as a team.

And on the subject of the free agents. I'd love Battier (especially as a direct replacement for Thabo), but after this playoff run, I find it hard to believe he signs with anybody else but Memphis. Not excited about Chuck Hayes though. 6' 7" Centers only work in Houston, and especially not alongside our already undersized Collison or Ibaka if they're moved to the center slot in that lineup.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

@cdub00

I feel like I have this conversation with you once a week, so we're clearly not able to communicate with each other, or we just disagree.

We're not better with Harden coming off the bench. If you want a scoring punch in the second unit, then stagger your substitutions appropriately. Harden can play with Maynor and Cook and Nick and whoever just as easily as a starter as he can coming off the bench.

As has been said - our defense doesn't suffer with Thabo out, but our offense suffers significantly with him in. Only in certain matchups will that change. Brooks needs to abandon his blind loyalty and relegate Thabo to spot duty off the bench.

justin
justin 5pts

cdub00 :@gr8ball83

yeah, and we had the #1 ranked offense since the trade as a TEAM.

Denver was better if you account for strength of schedule, and maybe others. But we were pretty good.

The playoffs are different though.

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

@gr8ball83

yeah, and we had the #1 ranked offense since the trade as a TEAM.

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@justin
ah, gotcha.

justin
justin 5pts

@gr8ball83

No, the starting unit with Perkins was +5.82 per 100 possessions in the regular season. It was still a big improvement over the previous lineup, but the struggles offensively prevent them from being really great, and have prevented them from being very effective at all in the playoffs despite the good defense.

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@justin
that and, whats the point of holding a team to few points if you can't score more than you allow?

justin
justin 5pts

cdub00 :@justin

Small sample.

Not really, it was 105 points per 100 possessions during the regular season overall which is bad also. In the playoffs it's been worse, predictably, against better overall defenses.

Brooks saying we're a defensive team first makes no sense to me since he went a year and a half playing Nenad Krstic and Jeff Green at C and PF despite having better defensive players on the bench. He's just stubborn. But it'll be solved next year when either Harden starts or someone else does. If it's not then there's a big problem here.

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@cdub00

@justin
isn't our starting lineup a cumulative negative since the trades or something? that seems like a pretty big sample size

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

I just don't see how some folks can't see we are a better TEAM with Harden coming off the bench. Its mind boggling to me. Thats all I am gonna say about it.

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

@justin

Small sample.

justin
justin 5pts

It was similar against Denver's starters.

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

@justin

And as Brooks has said many times before, we are DEFENSIVE team first, not offensive. While I would like for our team to jump out to a 10 point lead night in and night out, that doesn't do much good if we can't play good team D and let them right back in it.

justin
justin 5pts

Our starting unit versus Memphis' starters are scoring 84 points per 100 possessions and giving up 90 points per 100 possessions. So the defense has been great, but what's it worse when you're that bad?

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

Jax Raging Bile Duct :@cdub00
It’s broken because the gameplan is not “Hey guys, let’s suck for a while, then try and come back from it. That should do it!”
A one/two punch is fine, but that punch would be even better with a 9 man rotation. Thabo needs to be a role player assigned to specific offensive matchups, and nothing more than that.

Uhh...isn't Thabo basically reduced to that role already? The only reason he starts is A)he was the incumbent and Brooks is somewhat loyal and B) We need Harden on the bench.

justin
justin 5pts

Our starting unit offensively is worse than the Milwaukee Bucks. It's really bad. It's not "just some bad games", it's been consistently bad offensively since the trade. You don't even need numbers to see what's going on.

Like I said before, good teams are proactive. There's nothing proactive about Brooks and the coaching staff.

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@cdub00
i would suggest starting a shooting guard that can't be guarded by a 6 foot point guard from 18 feet away.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

@cdub00

It's broken because the gameplan is not "Hey guys, let's suck for a while, then try and come back from it. That should do it!"

A one/two punch is fine, but that punch would be even better with a 9 man rotation. Thabo needs to be a role player assigned to specific offensive matchups, and nothing more than that.

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

@gr8ball83

No, our starters need to play better, but no need to jump ship on them if we have some bad games. Overall, we have two all-stars and one of the top 3 6th men in the NBA as it stands. What "corrections" do you propose?

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@cdub00
you're right, we should totally just keep getting behind in every game and hoping our bench can bring us back. i'm guessing that has historically worked out well in the NBA playoffs.

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

yeah, we played the 5 seed that NOBODY wanted to play and now we are playing the 8 seed that KNOCKED OUT the 1 seed so that argument simply doesn't hold water. The point of the game isn't to score more points in the first and third quarters, its to score more over the length of the game. That being said, Harden is prob the only bench player good enough to start but we need his offensive tools as the 6th man. Look at LA, look at Dallas. We don't follow the typical mold, but what our coaching staff is doing with THIS group of players is obviously successful, so why question that to no end?

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@gr8ball83
5 seed not 4 seed

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@cdub00
how many games have our starters outplayed memphis's starters? its playing with fire to count on bench players every single game to save the day, especially in the playoffs. remember we've played the 4 seed and the 8 seed. its not going to turn out as well against dallas, or miami, or chicago.

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

gr8ball83 :@cdub00I think it would help if our starting unit didn’t routinely get us in a 10 point hole, for the bench to dig us out. What if our starters came out with a 10 point lead, and even if our bench is worse, all they need to do is maintain instead of dig us out of a hole. You don’t keep starting a lineup that doesn’t work just because you know your bench can dig you back out. That’s gonna backfire at some point.

Remind me, are we 1 game from the WCF? I would define that as "working".

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

And how exactly is it broke when you add the two units together, we have one of the best one two punches (starter --> bench) in the NBA. Isn't there something that could be said for that? Or is all that matters is having your "best 5" start the game? Have you seen when Harden and RW and KD are on the floor together? Not exactly something to write home about. Granted with a limited sample.

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@cdub00
I think it would help if our starting unit didn't routinely get us in a 10 point hole, for the bench to dig us out. What if our starters came out with a 10 point lead, and even if our bench is worse, all they need to do is maintain instead of dig us out of a hole. You don't keep starting a lineup that doesn't work just because you know your bench can dig you back out. That's gonna backfire at some point.

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

DXL :Love that Hollinger article on Collison. Taking a charge is one of the most efficient plays in basketball and Nick’s the best at it. His defense of Z-Bo the last couple of games also magnificent. If he can guard Z-Bo, then he can guard any power forward in the league.
Also like that a couple of “no-stats allstars” named in the Collison article are free agents this summer. I think OKC should definitely take a look at Shane Battier to play back-up small forward and Chuck Hayes to play back-up center/PF.
Jason Collins would also be a fine veteran 3rd center. I was very impressed with his plus/minus numbers and defense versus Orlando.
At this stage of the team’s development (championship elements in place) there’s nothing wrong with loading up the roster with veteran role players.

I think Blake is Collie's kryptonite.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

@cdub00

It is broke. Right now our bench is fixing it.

Thabo isn't in the game when it's crunch time. That says enough. The coaches know who the best players are, and they play them when it counts. Brook's blind loyalty to his players is admirable, but it also means he has to start the worst player on the floor, which is a mistake.

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

@Barrett

+9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

justin :@Barrett
Good teams are proactive, not reactive. The “if it’s not broke don’t fix it” approach plagued the team until Sam Presti forced a solution.

I diagree. It was broke at that time. Right now we are one game from the Western Conference Finals. Some peeps just gonna hate regardless. Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to have MJ, and Shaq, and Magic, and maybe an Iverson or a Stockton or maybe even Hakeem but our team, as it is, is pretty darn good.

One of the keys to a good NBA team is a good bench...and we currently have one of the best in the league AND two All Stars on our starting squad. How many other teams can say that? Exactly.

justin
justin 5pts

@Barrett

Good teams are proactive, not reactive. The "if it's not broke don't fix it" approach plagued the team until Sam Presti forced a solution.

Lefty
Lefty 5pts

@DXL
Would a team with Battier and Collison ever lose a game? I'm not sure they would.

Joe
Joe 5pts

I really have no problem with the minutes Thabo is getting. He's more than fine and good for his 18-20 minutes. My problem is the game plan with him in--I guess that is the coaching.

My point is that other teams sag off Thabo on the offensive end. We all saw Russ get that charge foul in the first becasue Mike Conley slid over and took the charge. He slid over because he wasn't guarding Thabo.

Brooks needs to show the team and Thabo especially on film what is going on, and they need to abuse the defense for doing it by using Thabo off the dribble. If they are going to give him that room, let him drive and kick, not just stand there and miss open threes. Or even better, get the ball and just take one dribble in and shoot. He's a much better shooter inside the arc.

But that is coaching.

DXL
DXL 5pts

Love that Hollinger article on Collison. Taking a charge is one of the most efficient plays in basketball and Nick's the best at it. His defense of Z-Bo the last couple of games also magnificent. If he can guard Z-Bo, then he can guard any power forward in the league.

Also like that a couple of "no-stats allstars" named in the Collison article are free agents this summer. I think OKC should definitely take a look at Shane Battier to play back-up small forward and Chuck Hayes to play back-up center/PF.

Jason Collins would also be a fine veteran 3rd center. I was very impressed with his plus/minus numbers and defense versus Orlando.

At this stage of the team's development (championship elements in place) there's nothing wrong with loading up the roster with veteran role players.

Ozarkhick
Ozarkhick 5pts

Smokey :

Ozarkhick :Tulsa can’t help it that we have hotter female chimpanzees. H8rs gotta H8. Hahahahahahahahaha.And we have PF Changs, booyaa!

Tulsa sucks and is full of intolerant rednecks!
It’s stoopid to!

Ha, see you tried to sneak this one in late. The only thing we are intolerant of in Tulsa, is people from OKC. So lick that one, baby.

hahahahahhahahahhahahahhaah.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

Skeletor :

dylan :
No dice

Seriously. Holding an internet grudge is pretty pathetic

Not sure what Skeletor did, but i doubt it merits holding a grudge. Decorum in the forum, please. Attacking the day aftrt will mark you as a schmuck, unless youre already known to be one. Skelly, i would ignore him, if hes a troll will allsoon find out

Smokey
Smokey 5pts

Ozarkhick :Tulsa can’t help it that we have hotter female chimpanzees. H8rs gotta H8. Hahahahahahahahaha.
And we have PF Changs, booyaa!

Tulsa sucks and is full of intolerant rednecks!

It's stoopid to!

Smokey
Smokey 5pts

j-mo :Why do writers like David Roth insist on attempting to slam OKC? I just don’t get it. Sure after the team moved here, but 3 years later? It says more about the author than it does the city. Immature.

+1

Don't worry. This is all slowly being corrected. The idiots expose themselves.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

@mykenyce84

http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29254842

mykenyce84
mykenyce84 5pts

Anyone know the west finals schedule? Or does that not come out till this series is completed?

Barrett
Barrett 5pts

Here's a great story about Thunder D on Randolph:

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/fran_blinebury/05/12/thunder-grizzlies-zach-randolph-struggles/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Crow
Crow 5pts

@Skeletor

Sorry when you or anyone gets hassled.
Try to pick your spots, ignore it or maybe admin will up the moderation.

Brew
Brew 5pts

james1 :

justin :Anyone who believe Perkins is anywhere close to 100%: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3q2p8t4030
Much more agile there.
And look at his lift here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41ykYT-0b38
If he can get back to that we’ll be in good shape.

No doubt about it. Look at these highlights. Not even close…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDDIqmUSUQo&feature=related
I honestly think he might could stand to lose 10-15 pounds too. That would help him move a little bit easier in addition to getting his knees back.

I thought he was already down thirty pounds from those clips.

GAP
GAP 5pts

dylan :
No dice

lol

Barrett
Barrett 5pts

@gr8ball83

I just don't see the concern right now. We're having a lot of success against quality teams. If we start a little slow, so be it...we have enough scoring talent to catch up (as we've seen, Game 1 notwithstanding when NO ONE played well).

Some teams start fast and fade early. Some teams are steady. Some start slow. You can't dominate every game for every minute. There will be peaks and valleys. Right now we tend to start slow and get going once Maynor and Harden come out. My thoughts are, why mess with a good thing?

I don't think there's anything wrong with being critical of a team or coach's decision. But Coach Brooks has brought us this far...I just don't see a reason to question him here. He is obviously doing the right thing (play Harden big minutes against the Grizz to help stretch the floor). If starting James were right, I have faith he would figure it out and do it. That's just me though.

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@Barrett
but seriously, our starting lineup has played really bad in what, 4 of the 5 games this series? there's no reason for us to start every game in a hole

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