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Is Shane Battier a good summer target for the Thunder?

by Royce Young on June 9, 2011 at 3:38 pm 55 Comments

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The Thunder have some cap room to play with this summer. First things first is Russell Westbrook’s extension and then settling on the futures of Daequan Cook and Nazr Mohammed with the team.

But if Sam Presti wanted to target a free agent or two, he’s going to have a little money to do it — of course depending on the new collective bargaining agreement.

It’s pretty unlikely that the Thunder will really look to sign anyone substantial this summer, instead deferring to development. The team is pretty much set in its rotation already from one to ten. As Presti would say, there’s always room to get better though and he’s going to look at options to do that.

One player that’s intrigued a lot of people? Shane Battier. Yeah, the guy that we all wanted to knee in the forehead during the Western Conference Semifinals.

Battier’s an unrestricted free agent and at 32, he’s not going to require a whole lot of money to sign. Nothing long-term, nothing all that expensive. Battier’s probably in the market for a two-year-last-year-not-guaranteed type of deal in the $8-10 million range.

His skills have started to deteriorate a bit and he’s about as much an offensive threat as Thabo Sefolosha (a better shooter for sure tough). During his 23 game stretch in Memphis, Battier averaged a career-low 5.0 points per game and shot a career-low 33 percent from 3 (down from 8.6 ppg and 39 percent from 3 in Houston earlier in the season).

For that reason, Battier’s not a perfect fit. In all likelihood, James Harden will be in the starting five next season meaning the second unit will lose almost all of its scoring punch. Battier is pretty much a second, older Thabo. A lineup with those two playing together would have more trouble scoring than Flava Flav at a convent. In terms of having a good bench scorer to replace Harden, Battier doesn’t work all that well.

Problem is, locating that perfect player to fill that role is easier said than done. There aren’t too many veteran small forwards that can score, defend and play a limited role available for just a couple million. (Really, Jeff Green in five years would probably be that perfect player. Irony.)

But there are four reasons I’m a little partial to the idea of Battier:

1) He’s a natural backup to Kevin Durant. He’s fine with any number of minutes he gets, plays small forward and fits well into that role. He’s an elite wing defender and it’s never a bad thing to add another quality defensive player.

2) My favorite reason: He’s on KD’s team now. Instead of having him somewhere else guarding Durant, now he’s joined the good guys. That’s one less KD Stopper that exists out there.

3) In that same regard, imagine the help Battier can give Durant by just practicing against him every day. KD would get all that face-guarding, off-the-ball physicality daily instead of just a couple times a year. KD talks about getting stronger away from the ball and getting better freeing himself from defenders. Well, here’s a practice dummy for him to use.

Maybe one of the best ways to develop that is to just bring Battier in as his personal trainer and have those two battle in practice. Think of the four or five million you’d spend on Battier as an investment in Durant. Kind of like in NBA 2K11 when you buy a better pair of shoes with the points you’ve earned to take your quickness or steal ability up, Battier would maybe take KD from a 97 to a 99.

4) Talk about some No-Stats All-Starring. I’m not sure a lineup featuring Nick Collison and Shane Battier could mathematically ever lose a game. I think it would be impossible.

Battier is the type of player that Presti loves. Hard working, intelligent, crafty and a winner. But he’s not really the type of transaction Presti is prone to making. Normally Presti avoids free agency, instead just using it to fill out the roster with a third string point guard here or veteran big man to have on the end of the bench. Spending a couple million on a player isn’t something we’ve seen much of. Instead, Presti prefers to use the draft to either take a future Battier or find an international player to develop.

And that’ll likely be the route this time around as well. Still, there’s a little money to play with and if you’re in a shopping mood, Battier is a decent option. At least one to talk about, I’d say.

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totallytickets
totallytickets 5pts

Kris Humprhies or Mike Dunlavey? Just trying to look for contributors that are under 10M

totallytickets
totallytickets 5pts

Nevermind on Redd he made 18M last year. Didn't realize he was a max contract. Go get Grant Hill...$ 5M would get the job done.

totallytickets
totallytickets 5pts

Would Michael Redd be in the price range since he was out an entire year and now has to prove himself healthy?

okc baby
okc baby 5pts

We already have Russ Iverson. We dont need Allen. All we need is a scoring 2 or 3 off the bench. Maynor, Thabo, Cook, scoring 2 or 3, Nazr, Collison. And their set. They are just replacing Harden

bouzi4real
bouzi4real 5pts

@totallytickets
Hill away from the Sun's medical staff sounds like a disater waiting to happen....

totallytickets
totallytickets 5pts

How about Grant Hill! Veteran player can score, play defense. Would offer veteran leadership when things aren't going well or start to collapse. Seems like a perfect fit. Move Harden into Starting lineup. Hill is now your points off the bench.

bouzi4real
bouzi4real 5pts

What does the current CBA state? Isn't it something like teams can exceed the current cap level to keep the players they drafted. The way the owners are fighting to keep their homegrown stars with the "franchise tag" i believe this rule would stay the same. I think no matter what we keep Harden and Ibaka. Also harden (right now) is not a max player. At most he is a 7-10mil/yr player and Ibaka if we lock him up before Free agency would be a 8mil/yr player too. That along with two max contracts and some cheap vets and i think we'll be fine.

If we go out and pay for a J-Rich 7mil a year i think it will be a waste. for more than 2 years. a 14/2 last year team option would be perfect becuase he would only be on the books for this year.

I still like my Nate Rob and our 1st for Batum though.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

This is the last time for the forseeable future that we're going to have a meaningful amount of cap room. We can't squander this opportunity.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

f5alcon :@Steve H we have ~7 million in cap space under current cap rules, we can afford j rich or crawford and keep harden and ibaka, if you assume we wont pay over the cap, with us making the conference finals now i think we will pay over the cap if it gives us a chance to win. we will be really profitable this year.

I agree. Plus, we don't need to pay Ibaka and Harden big time bucks for 2 more years. So sign J-Rich or Crawford to a 2 or 3 year deal!

I'm pretty sure we're in such good shape cap-wise, we can afford to sign a mid-to-upper level free agent to a 2-3 year deal and still pay our youngsters when the time comes.

loplopol
loplopol 5pts

Hey Royce, Have you heard about Iverson saying he wanted to come back to the NBA even if it meant he had to be a bench player? What's your take?

portablestanzas
portablestanzas 5pts

what's up with Michael Redd? He's been making like 18 mil a year to rehab for a couple years. Seems to me he'd sign cheap to make a run at a championship.

ThunderHorn
ThunderHorn 5pts

Can never have enough veteran, high IQ, players. If you can get Battier for a very cheap 2-3 year deal you do it.

Having a lot of difference pieces and guys that can contribute is always a good thing. Again if you can get him for a cheap contract its a good investment.

Vince
Vince 5pts

ThunderHorn :
The Honey Badger :A moment of silence for Nenad as he leaves the USA to go back to Mother Russia…
threw a chair at my roommate in his honor

Well done, sir.

Mark!
Mark! 5pts

@ justin

I think it's easy for Thunder fans to overrate past prime wing defenders because 90% of our scouting comes when they play us, and those defenders do very well against KD.

KD is going to have to develop some moves on the block or the high post to neutralize the smaller/slower players that take away his speed by grabbing him.

I don't see what Battier would add to our team other than taking him away from a team that would play him against us.

ThunderHorn
ThunderHorn 5pts

The Honey Badger :A moment of silence for Nenad as he leaves the USA to go back to Mother Russia…

threw a chair at my roommate in his honor

ThunderHorn
ThunderHorn 5pts

bouzi4real :Id trade nate plus our first for nic batum….pdx can’t keep him and crash

that would be a fantastic pickup. I don't think Portland would part ways with him though. they LOVE him. although with new management coming in every year who knows what they would do.

bouzi4real
bouzi4real 5pts

Id trade nate plus our first for nic batum....pdx can't keep him and crash

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Steve H
we have ~7 million in cap space under current cap rules, we can afford j rich or crawford and keep harden and ibaka, if you assume we wont pay over the cap, with us making the conference finals now i think we will pay over the cap if it gives us a chance to win. we will be really profitable this year.

The Honey Badger
The Honey Badger 5pts

A moment of silence for Nenad as he leaves the USA to go back to Mother Russia...

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

Joe :@ Steve H All those things do certainly apply; however, I am hoping that with our appearance in the WCF, and Durant’s cred that players will now take less to come play in OKC and win a championship.
And I also think that if we had a player of Tayshaun’s caliber, that he would get more minutes than just a few as Durant’s backup; some of Cook’s perhaps, and maybe some at PF in a small lineup. Just talking here; who knows with Brooks’s lineup history.

Battier could be an example of a FA at the end of his career that could be willing to take a short contract for less money for a shot at a ring- I think Prince just has too much tread left on his tires to come cheap enough. Aside from not being able to afford him, I also wouldn't want him taking minutes away from Serge and Nick at the four.

Daniel Hawaii :Actually, more than a wing player who is capable of scoring, we need a POST player who is capable of scoring. But those don’t grow on trees, so I’ll settle for any free agent who can add some scoring punch to this roster.
Jason Richardson and Jamal Crawford are free agents. I certainly wouldn’t mind bringing one of them off the bench.

Signing J.Rich or Crawford would all but GUARANTEE that we have to let Ibaka or Harden walk. No deal.

shiki
shiki 5pts

Battier is overrated.KD did 3 great games against Rocksts in regular season,made the winning shot on his face in R2G4 and got 39 in R2G7.If no Tony Allen,He cannot stop KD.

Thomas
Thomas 5pts

If the Heat go on to win a couple or more championships with this group I think Mario Chalmers appears ready to assume Dereck Fisher's place in the league. You know, the role player on a championship team who always makes those back breaking shots when you think you've got their offense pretty well defended.

DJ 7
DJ 7 5pts

@ Daniel Hawaii

J-Rich for 8-10 million 2 year contract?

DJ 7
DJ 7 5pts

I just think we're not ganna find our answer in the draft. I agree and i have said before that we should just get a scoring SG. Let Thabo play some back up minutes at SF. He's 6'7 and weighs as much as Durant. So it may not be as much of a mismatch as some may make it seem.

Being a bit of a homer, and playing favorites i've grown a good intrest in Azubuike and would love for the team to get him. However he's had to have his knee redone last year so its kinda a risk but if he gets healthy. Well the guy is 6'5, and a good all around scorer. Realistically though, i know the team won't get him. Its nice to think so though.

Someone said earlier though that some older players would be willing to take less to play for a contender and i agree. Some would take less.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

Actually, more than a wing player who is capable of scoring, we need a POST player who is capable of scoring. But those don't grow on trees, so I'll settle for any free agent who can add some scoring punch to this roster.

Jason Richardson and Jamal Crawford are free agents. I certainly wouldn't mind bringing one of them off the bench.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

@justin

I agree that we need a wing player who is capable of scoring. We don't need any more defense.

Right now, the only players on our team who can consistently create their own shot and also create for others are KD, Russ and James. That's it.

With the cap room we have, we need a 4th guy who can create some offense. Shane Battier does not meet this criteria.

Joe
Joe 5pts

@ Steve H
All those things do certainly apply; however, I am hoping that with our appearance in the WCF, and Durant's cred that players will now take less to come play in OKC and win a championship.

And I also think that if we had a player of Tayshaun's caliber, that he would get more minutes than just a few as Durant's backup; some of Cook's perhaps, and maybe some at PF in a small lineup. Just talking here; who knows with Brooks's lineup history.

justin
justin 5pts

I don't think Battier is the type of player Presti goes after, either. Battier is going nowhere but down for the rest of his career. I can't think of anyone that Presti committed more than 1 year to (i.e. Mohammed, Etan Thomas) who was on the backside of his career except Nick Collison but that was special deal.

I think a more realistic FA acquisition would be a Reggie Williams type who is young enough to still have some upside, and cheap enough so you're not threatening your ability to re-sign Ibaka / Harden.

justin
justin 5pts

Battier isn't a terrific defensive player anymore. Battier will cost too much. Battier is too old to sign to a long term contract with any expectation that he'll remain effective for the duration. Battier is not going to play ~10 minutes a game backing up Kevin Durant which means he'd have to play either some SG or Durant would have to play some PF to get him minutes.

Thabo Sefolosha can play that same role as Durant's backup for ~10 minutes a game, the Thunder should be looking for a SG wing type to replace James Harden.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

I like Battier, but not for $8-$10 million a year. Others are right, I'd rather get Jeff Green back for that money.

Also, I think we need to sign someone who can provide OFFENSE off the bench, not defense. We have enough guys who specialize in defense and provide zero offense.

If James moves to the starting lineup, we're going to have a backup lineup of Maynor-Thabo-Battier-Collison-Aldrich (or Mohammed)?

Talk about having no second-team offense...

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

Joe :For not too much more money, you could probably get Tayshaun Prince, who also plays the three, plays D, has wayyyy more offense, and is two years younger. His defense isn’t quite as good as Battier’s used to be, but I bet he is close now.

How much and for how long should we pay Prince to play 13 min a night behind KD? He made 11 mill last year- I dont see him signing the sort of smallish contract needed to retain our other core players. It is just not realistic to consider adding anybody that we would have to pay more than 2 or 3 mill 2 years from now when we need space to re-sign Harden, Ibaka and Maynor IMHO.

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

We can't afford to take Green back- not if we want to retain Russell, Harden and Ibaka. All three of those guys are going to get paid. When you add in what we will be paying KD and Perk, there is no way in hell we could afford the 6+mill per that Green is sure to demand. I just hope we will be able to afford to keep Maynor.

Joe
Joe 5pts

For not too much more money, you could probably get Tayshaun Prince, who also plays the three, plays D, has wayyyy more offense, and is two years younger. His defense isn't quite as good as Battier's used to be, but I bet he is close now.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

Green on one condition: back up only

DJ 7
DJ 7 5pts

@ Bryson

I would almost be glad to have Green back but that'll scare me, because Scott may think because we have Perkins now that he can start Green and not worry about his rebounding difficulty. Strangely Green would be almost the perfect fit. The 3 who can play as a stretch 4. I still think we need another SG who can do a little more on offense then just shoot the 3 like Cook. You know Ray Allenish but not as good. Can use the PnR Moderately, and Shoot the 3.

Unless Green can all of a sudden take better shots, and learns to be the ball handler on a PnR, or PnP.

No doubt though, if Green wanted to come back, and agreed to a 18-21 million/ 3 year deal i'de be down. Seeing as to Green wanted something along the lines of 10 million it won't happen.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

Only if he replaces Thabo

kreese29
kreese29 5pts

I feel the same way DJ 7

DJ 7
DJ 7 5pts

If we get Shane, then that'll just give Scott Brooks another excuse to keep Harden on the bench, and start Thabo. I like Shane ALOT, but as long as Thabo is on this team it can't happen and if it does its a big time risk. If we get Shane then we trade Thabo, Nate Rob and our 1st pick for a good scorer and a future pick.

Don't get me wrong i would love Shane on this team, especially for the Sam Presti Ethics, and the challenge he'll give KD. It just can't happen with Thabo on this team. Brooks will play Thabo more with RW/KD then, and play Harden with Battier. THus still causing our offensive woes.

kreese29
kreese29 5pts

Hell yeah bring back green

Bryson
Bryson 5pts

If Jeff Green really wanted to come back, and took the small amount of money we could offer him, I would be 100% behind re-signing him. The only asterisk I would have to tag on him would be "Banned from the 4 position". Put him on permanent 3 duty.

kreese29
kreese29 5pts

Or I would I the thunder to do a draft and stash

kreese29
kreese29 5pts

First off they can't get Shane, our offense would be terrible. Now if they got rid of thabo then I would be cool with him coming to the team. I wouldn't want to give up our first rd pick for CJ there's to many role players in the draft that could help us in long terms. I really hope they draft Honeycutt , it's something about him I just like.

walrusmuse
walrusmuse 5pts

it's a tough trade, because we have seen what happens when we get limited in offensive options in a lineup, we seem to have a magic number of 3 scorers, that if we dip under (as in the starters) we tend to stall. If this happens with a bench rotation we could get into more trouble. Battier isn't a terrible shooter, but he is isnt too much more reliable offensively than Thabo.

But I shudder to think how great his offseason and in season challenging to KD in practice would be amazing to help show KD just how aggressive and strong he needs to become to battle defenders like himself. He seems to be a straight enough arrow in caring most about his game and the team, which is still money in the bank.

Not worth sticking our necks out for, but he's still a good look.

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

I think CJ should command roughly the size salary we have committed to Thabo. Would like to see us swap Thabo for CJ in a sign and trade, and would be willing to throw in our largely useless 1st pick if required.

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

I think Battier would be a fantastic back-up for KD while we either develop L. Williams or keep looking for a future reserve 3 in the draft (not impressed with whats available at 24).
I would also like to avoid playing Thabo as Harden's back-up (no offense not offset by lock down D on opponent's 2nd unit shooters). CJ Miles (who Presti has previously expressed interest in)is awaiting Utah decision whether to pick up their option for nxt year. He's not a great player, but he is a pretty solid offensive threat who can create his own shot- and I don't remember him being conspicuously bad on defense.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

I guess I missed the rule that says if you collect all the good character guys in the league the refs will spot you 10 points a game.

The universe wont allow such an acquisition. The black hole of offense created by a Thabo/Battier/Perkins lineup will implode the team Large Hadron Collider style.

Royce Young
Royce Young 5pts

@ Clark Matthews
This should've been No. 1 on my list.

ThunderHorn
ThunderHorn 5pts

Think he'd be a great pickup.

Another strong veteran presence. He's a Sam Presti type guy character wise.

Reason 3 is the biggest point. He could really help KD in attacking the physical D he will face every post-season, not only during practice but during games as well.

Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts

Plus, he brings great Tweet game. He's the wing Collison in every way.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

I like Shane. I do. But I hope we don't sign him. I swear if we do we'll see a Maynor, Thabo, Shane, Nick, Perkins lineup every damn game. They'll score 2 points in the 10 minutes they play, with 50% of all their offensive possessions ending in a shot clock violation.

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