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It’s come to this: Dell Demps denies Westbrook-for-CP3 rumor

by Royce Young on June 4, 2011 at 2:54 pm 40 Comments

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The way the world turned on Russell Westbrook in the postseason was almost shocking. Actually, not “almost.” It was completely, entirely stunning. And dumb.

A player that during the regular season almost everyone agreed was maybe the real MVP of a 55-win division champion went from a blossoming superstar into a target that mediatypes zeroed in on. After the Thunder’s exit in the Western Conference Finals to the Mavericks, there were actually debates and discussion that — and I still can’t believe this — asked, “Should the Thunder trade Russell Westbrook?”

Yeah, trade a 22-year-old point guard that made the All-Star team and was named second-team All-NBA in his third season and is maybe just now starting to realize his potential. Yeah, trade the point guard that finished the season averaging 21.9 points and 8.2 assists per game with a PER of 23.6, which was eighth in the league and better than the MVP Derrick Rose. Yeah, trade the point guard that’s part of Sam Presti’s overall long-term plan that helped push one of the league’s youngest rosters to the Western Finals, averaging 24 points, six assists and five rebounds a game.

Yeah, trade that guy.

Regardless, somehow a manufactured trade rumor surfaced that Westbrook for Chris Paul had potential. In reality, this deal was never anything more than pure speculation on the part of overreactive media members and emotional fans having a party with the Trade Machine, but it gained enough traction for Hornets general manager Dell Demps to address. From the Times-Picayune:

“Sam Presti and I, our offices used to be right next to each other, so we still text each other all the time, and I can assure you that has not been a conversation we’ve had,” Demps said, reportedly cracking a smile.

And if you asked Sam Presti, he probably wouldn’t even answer you about this fabricated rumor. (Actually knowing Sam Presti he’d be incredibly vague and say something like, “We always looking at options to improve and enhance our roster, but I’m not going to comment publicly about any discussions we’ve had with other teams. But Russell is definitely part of our long-term plans.” Which is Presti saying, “No, you idiot.)

The fact this is even a story to the point Demps was asked about it is incredible. You can’t slow down the monster that was created by people bashing Westbrook during the playoffs and it’s gotten to the point where actual GMs are being quizzed. Oklahoma City isn’t trading Russell Westbrook. He’s almost assuredly getting an extension with the Thunder July — likely for near the league maximum — and is a key part of the Thunder’s blueprint to build a winner.

Darnell Mayberry smartly put it this way:

Someday, the basketball world (which includes some right here in OKC) will realize how special Westbrook is. Is he a true point guard? No. Does he need to be? Heck no. He is what he is: an out-of-this-world guard who averaged 24 points, five rebounds and six assists in the playoffs.

And he’s not going anywhere.

Even if Kevin Durant is unhappy with his relationship with Westbrook, Presti isn’t the type to overreact. These guys are young. They’re growing together, experiencing things for the first time as a group. There were some tough moments in the playoffs. And if it came to Durant being ruffled about Westbrook, Presti isn’t going to just give up right there. First, Westbrook’s way, way too good and secondly, Presti understands these guys are young and still in a lot of ways, immature. There’s a lot of time to move past any kind of chemistry hiccup.

Again, 22 years old. Twenty-two. Westbrook wants to be in OKC. The team wants him in OKC and its about to prove it by ponying up the dollars. Everyone loves a good swap and trade rumors are fun. But if the Hornets are looking to deal Paul for someone before he becomes a free agent in 2012, Demps need not call Presti. Because there’s nothing to talk about.

Via Thunder Rumblings

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Beard Time
Beard Time 5pts

I can say i'm proud of Russ for doing all the right moves with all the Media trying to create something interesting for the public. He came back strong each night, He didn't make any stupid comments, he didn't ruin the locker room and he didn't react on the issue. I mean there's like the population of new Zealand just bashing westbrook and he stayed strong.
If that was me being criticised for trying to make a team win by covering up the offensive flaws made from the team and the coach, I probably won't be able to handle it.

sammasaaron
sammasaaron 5pts

It's not just the trade rumors that were totally fabricated, but also the "rocky relationship" between KD and Russ. I swear, after that game in the Denver series where they shouted at each other the media lumped that with Russ' style of play and branded them the new Kevin Garnett-Stephon Marbury duo. It seems to me a more realistic (and favorable) comparison would be Tim Duncan-Tony Parker. Not only is our team based on the Spurs model, but TP wasn't exactly a pass-first, "pure" point guard when he entered the league either. And not only would no one ever question if the Spurs are Timmy's team, but no one would make a big deal out of Parker having a big offensive game while Duncan stayed quiet. Hopefully after the offseason the narratives will have straightened out.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

C_Dub :I might pull the trigger on a CP3/RW trade. But lets wait one more year.

I agree that I want to see what happens with our current team next season before we pull the trigger on a major trade. Hopefully, our whole team will improve and that includes Scott Brooks' coaching.

Plus, after next year, CP3 will be an unrestricted free agent. So if he comes out and says he wants to play for OKC, New Orleans can sign and trade Chris Paul to us and we can trade them Westbrook, who will have just started getting paid big money via the extension he likely will sign this Summer.

C_Dub
C_Dub 5pts

I might pull the trigger on a CP3/RW trade. But lets wait one more year.

dragonbug
dragonbug 5pts

ehh i have no interest in cp3 coming to okc. russ in my opinion will be a better PG , nuff said there. I just dont think cp3's chemistry would match with us, hes a whiner and a flopper, we already got harden flopping lol :P . if we trade at all it will be thabo or nate, possibly mullens. i dont see presti going welp, lets trade perk, ibaka, and russ for howard, or hell why were at it lets trade KD for lebron lol. jk of course.

these media stories are stupid. yes lets trade one of the best PG's in the league all cause you watched what 5 games of thunder basketball. PIF.

holeydonut
holeydonut 5pts

I wonder how much meniscus Russ has left in his knees. I can assume it's gotta be more than what CP3 has.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

The Thunder don't need much. A healthier Perk would be nice, but it's not crucial. Even if Perk never gets any better than he was this year, we can cope. We could use more scoring from Serge, but again, it's not crucial. We can start Harden and absorb that lack of offense. We could use a healthy Thabo and someone to replace Harden's bench scoring. Those two things would work wonders. But even if we do none of the above, more complex offensive plays ought to put the Thunder over the top.

shiki
shiki 5pts

@ Daniel Hawaii
Do you remember our games against Hornets?Our defense was terrible that time but they cannot score in 4th quarter and CP3 did nothing.Russ made some incredible shots and we turned round games.
Hornets is one of the worst teams in offense,but thunder is one of the best teams.He cannot make Ariza be a good shooter.Can you hope he did something to Thabo?I dont think CP3 can make our offense better than Russ if we dont change our starting lineup.

And we are young team but have got great record.Why do we change our roster?Magics changed their roster after they played final,did they improve?

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

SergeIblocka :Skip Bayless and ESPN First Take is the only reason the Russ for CP3 is getting any press.

Skip Bayless is Rick Reilly on Meth

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

Joe :Honestly, I wouldn’t trade Russ for Chris Paul straight up right now. Period.
No doubt that when Chris Paul is fully healthy he is the best in the game, but how often is that? He has never played a full 82 games, he missed roughly half the season a few years ago and he is constantly gimping in sort of a “not injured enough to not play, but not 100%” mode. Add to that Chris Paul is three years older. Paul is a better shooter, assist man and steal man.
Russ is a better rebounder, better shot blocker and gets to the line almost TWICE AS MUCH as Paul. Russ’s assist rate is not far off Paul’s career norms.
But, Russ’s shooting, assists and steals have all improved each season in the association, and there is no reason to believe they won’t continue on that path.
Plus, Paul is a big ass whiner. You probably like that if he is on your team, you feel like he’s working for his calls and all that, but I find it really repulsive.
I like Russ and his potential, warts and all, over CP and what he is.

I dunno. If CP3 agreed to a sign a long-term extension, I would seriously consider trading him straight up for Westbrook. He just has a feel for the point guard position that I fear Russell will never possess.

CP3 has never had a guy like Durant playing with him. Imagine those two working in tandem. And when he had Tyson Chandler, he would throw lobs to him all day. I could envision him doing the same thing with Serge.

I agree that CP3 is a "big ass whiner," but come on, we all know Russ whines a lot too.

I think I would definitely sacrifice a few rebounds, blocked shots and free throws for more assists, a better shooting percentage, steals and most importantly, LESS TURNOVERS!!! And I'd feel 100% more comfortable late in the game with CP3 running the team, rather than Russ.

This would potentially be our starting lineup:

PG: Chris Paul
SG: James Harden
SF: Kevin Durant
PF: Serge Ibaka
C: Kendrick Perkins

Tell me that doesn't look AWESOME. I really just think CP3 is the better fit for our team. I understand the injury concerns, but I still think I would probably do it, IF and ONLY IF, CP3 agrees to sign an extension.

DJ 7
DJ 7 5pts

Jared Eichler :If there was ever a chance for a straight up trade of westbrook for paul, I don’t see how that is something that could be passed up. Chris Paul is still the best point in the league when he is fully healthy. It doesn’t matter what kind of system he would be in, he makes any team a better team. Stick him with the crew the Thunder has put together… MVP.

I'm ganna go into a real stretch here, and say that in two years Russ will be the best point guard in the league.

Joe
Joe 5pts

Honestly, I wouldn't trade Russ for Chris Paul straight up right now. Period.

No doubt that when Chris Paul is fully healthy he is the best in the game, but how often is that? He has never played a full 82 games, he missed roughly half the season a few years ago and he is constantly gimping in sort of a "not injured enough to not play, but not 100%" mode. Add to that Chris Paul is three years older. Paul is a better shooter, assist man and steal man.

Russ is a better rebounder, better shot blocker and gets to the line almost TWICE AS MUCH as Paul. Russ's assist rate is not far off Paul's career norms.

But, Russ's shooting, assists and steals have all improved each season in the association, and there is no reason to believe they won't continue on that path.

Plus, Paul is a big ass whiner. You probably like that if he is on your team, you feel like he's working for his calls and all that, but I find it really repulsive.

I like Russ and his potential, warts and all, over CP and what he is.

Cpt. C-note
Cpt. C-note 5pts

Russ will learn to distribute and make his teammates better. He's probably working on it right now. Those who doubt the Honey Badger will regret such things. Trading any of the core guys of this "ahead of schedule" WCF team just isn't gonna happen cause it's not the Presti way. Just my opinion...
This is not a fantasy NBA team, they just play like one.
GO THUNDER!

gokc
gokc 5pts

I love Rw... trade him for cp3? Naw, don't think so@Royce
.. however I can't lie there have been times where I wondered if okc would be better off long term with a player like john wall... can score, not as good of a rebounded but IS more of a pass prone guard... I know some will act like that's heretic talk but there's weight to the argument.
young
Is something up with the site? I log in from my phone and I can't get the mobile version anymore

Jared Eichler
Jared Eichler 5pts

If there was ever a chance for a straight up trade of westbrook for paul, I don't see how that is something that could be passed up. Chris Paul is still the best point in the league when he is fully healthy. It doesn't matter what kind of system he would be in, he makes any team a better team. Stick him with the crew the Thunder has put together... MVP.

Brew
Brew 5pts

@ Daniel Plainview
I'd wait too, for sure, unless Orlando comes calling. I just love some serious D.

SergeIblocka
SergeIblocka 5pts

Skip Bayless and ESPN First Take is the only reason the Russ for CP3 is getting any press.

shiki
shiki 5pts

Mavs and we won Lakers and Grizzlies which have the best post scorers.And Heats won Bulls which have Boozer and Noah.Are great big men key to win champion?

If Brooks can trust Harden as SPO trusts Bosh and give him more chance,KD-Harden-Russ lineup will be unstoppable.Perk+Ibaka+Collison played well in Round 1 and 2,and we know Perk and Ibaka can improve much next season.So do we really need trade Russ + Perk for Howard?

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

@ Brew

Its valid, but its way too early to think they cant tweak the errors that manifested these playoffs. Plus, Id wait another year to watch how Paul's new develops...or erodes.

Brew
Brew 5pts

Fear of westbrook being the best running partner for Durant is at least a tad bit valid, at least to me. Thinking about grabbing someone who would pair better by trading the amazing westbrook, snack for thought. Should we? Will we, most likely not.

shiki
shiki 5pts

Hornets fans tell me CP3 can be No 1 player in every team and we must pay Russ+Harden If we want to get him.
The whole world think we must trade Russ for some pure PGs.But why doesn't Bull trade Rose for CP3?DId Rose play better than Russ?

SO,I dont know who are worse,Hornets fans or those media.

sweet-d
sweet-d 5pts

you know what I think people just want something to talk about because well the only interesting thing on is the finals. But it also think people want another Kobe/Shaq rivalry and it's like people just wanna force a trade. Well they built us up and now when some thing goes wrong in a few games they tear us down. I almost want to quit watching espn after they way tried there best to make it look like there was some type of anamosity between KD and Westbrook.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

Caleb :It’s said so many times but I love Russ and def the only way a trade is ever ever going to be talked about is if Russ turns down an offer or voices he wants to take his talents elsewhere… It is fun to talk trade rumors on off season… Let’s face it,!especially with this draft, there isnt much else to do to not go crazy waiting for next season….

Amen

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

@ Daniel Plainview

I dont give any credence to the rumors, btu I do want to know what is on his mind. Is that too much to ask?

For me, KD, RW and Jimmy harden are off limits. Colli too. I love Ibaka, but I think GM's are going to courting our PF next year like mad men, and since there are many more better or equal to PF's in the league than Serge, it makes him more expendable than Harden. I DO NOT WANT TO GET RID OF IBAKA. However, Hardens developing into an extremly dynamic player and in 2 years, I think he'll be one of he most unique and productive SG's in the league

DJ 7
DJ 7 5pts

@ Royce Young

Its just a bunch of bandwagon fans, or outside of the team fans who believe what most of the failures at ESPN/ABC have to say. If they litterally payed attention to the team they would know its not Westbrook.

I personally am annoyed as well. If i were Russ, and i heard all of this i would be pretty pissed.

Daniel Plainview
Daniel Plainview 5pts

Yo, Sam Presti! Come hither, and speak straight!

Royce Young
Royce Young 5pts

@ scary_larry
Yes, I'm completely annoyed. Because there aren't any rumors. This is a completely made up story. The talk of trading Westbrook is ridiculous.

scary_larry
scary_larry 5pts

@Royce you seem to me to feel annoyed by all these CP3 rumors. I agree with everything you say but the tone to me feels you are either annoyed or pissed. Am I wrong to feel this way?

Brew
Brew 5pts

That is the voice of reason I needed.

Thomas
Thomas 5pts

This is ridiculous. If any of the top five or six guys on this team are traded before Brooks is replaced I'll cancel my season tickets in protest. Face it, we have the talent to win already. Talent isn't the issue. The offensive philosophy or lack thereof is the issue.

Brew
Brew 5pts

With that in mind
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3r22j6j

Brew
Brew 5pts

Only for Howard. That's it. My only concern with Westy is if he can make others better. I am way more then willing to give him 4 or 5 years to find out. If we lose out on developing Ibaka to his fullest, so be it. I would be more interested in Westy at 2, and Harden for a playmaker, but Christmas is a ways off.

justin
justin 5pts

@ OKCthailand

It's mostly the national media pushing the Westbrook bashing train.

OKCthailand
OKCthailand 5pts

in my opinion Hornets was fool ..why they trade Darren Collison and Marcus Thornton out?both kid is good fit for them..i'm not understand about this. hornet are looking to deal Paul for someone before he becomes a free agent in 2012 because they know CP3 want to go 100%

Caleb
Caleb 5pts

It's said so many times but I love Russ and def the only way a trade is ever ever going to be talked about is if Russ turns down an offer or voices he wants to take his talents elsewhere... It is fun to talk trade rumors on off season... Let's face it,!especially with this draft, there isnt much else to do to not go crazy waiting for next season....

OKCthailand
OKCthailand 5pts

last year we blaim Jeff green everyday and then he gone
now we are starting talking about Russell Westbrook again? stop doing like that again.i don't think trade CP3 with him...i love westbrook.come on Western Conference Finals ..if we have no choice i will trade westbrook and perkin with dwight howard .howward can make we win NBA champion not CP3..let's CP3 in NY .he is injuried prone!!

drater
drater 5pts

Yeah, not happening. Those that understand basketball realize that if Brooks actually ran an offensive system that included movement away from the ball, Russ wouldn't be constantly forced to create something out of nothing with 6-8 seconds on the shot clock. And by something I mean a contested shot or dribble pull up 3.

Interestingly enough, right before reading this article, had a conversation with my dad, former college player, long time NBA fan (as in 30+ years) and historically an astute judge of talent:

Him: Would you trade Harden for the #1 pick in the draft?

Me: Hmm..that would be either the duke PG, who don't need, or Derrick Williams, who would push Ibaka back to the bench. So no.

Him: Would you trade Harden plus your first for #1 and #4?

Me: Seriously? Cleveland would never do that

Him: I would if I was them. Fear the Beard.

No joke, just thought I'd share.

DJ 7
DJ 7 5pts

Sad thing is, i know theres some Thunder fans out there bandwagon or not that really think we should trade Westbrook for CP3

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