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Each season is about moments. It’s about the stories. The themes. And the 2011-12 season is going to have plenty of all of that.
Any time a team is picked to be a favorite, there’s a lot to talk about. From little things like player relationships to big things like starting lineup and rotations, the Thunder’s 66-game season is going to be packed with stuff. Here are the top 10 as I see them.
10. Serge Ibaka. What does Air Congo have ready for the 2011-12 season? He gets to start from day one, has been working in the post while in Spain and looks stronger than ever. Could Ibaka averaged four blocks a game? Could he be a double-double guy? Could he maybe sneak into the All-Star talk? Ibaka is a constant man of mystery because his ceiling is still sky high. He’s got to do little things better, but the Thunder have definitely figured out the power forward position.
9. Minutes. Everyone’s talked about the 66-game schedule. I’m sick of it. Every team has to deal with it and whether you’re old or young, it’s going to have an effect on the season. But it’s more a question on how Scott Brooks handles his rotation and minutes. Is it business as usual? Does he cut back? Expand the rotation? Could Cole Aldrich or Reggie Jackson become staples of the Thunder attack?
8. KD’s post game. After practice last Friday, the Thunder worked a one-on-one drill called “two-dribble” where players have to score against an opponent, using no more than two dribbles. KD used his post game almost exclusively during it and three or four times went to the patented Dirk fadeaway where he shoots off one foot. It was sick. Unstoppable. Impossible. It looked like something KD wasn’t entirely comfortable with, but it’s one of the weapons he’s working on. Then KD used it Sunday night against the Mavs, so it’s obvious it’s a real thing he’s adding.
And during the drill, the other thing I noticed is that Durant was not easily pushed off the block. His lower body is much stronger. Serge Ibaka was trying to move him out of the area and KD held firm pretty well. That was always the biggest challenge for KD’s post game last season is that he couldn’t actually get the ball in the post. With a little added strength, I think he can.
7. The bench mob. Big question: With Nate Robinson being waived soon, can Royal Ivey carry the load by himself of acting completely like a fool after each made basket? It’s a major question mark for this team.
6. The starting five. Maybe Scott Brooks already showed his intention to stick with Thabo in the starting five with Sunday night’s exhibition in Dallas. Maybe not. But it’s pretty much universally agreed upon that the Thunder would be better off with James Harden. I mean, it’s hard to argue with things like numbers and facts. If Brooks chooses to stick with last season’s starting five and there are issues, the noise level on Harden starting will go to trade-Jeff-Green type levels.
5. Where does Westbrook take another leap? Each season Russell Westbrook has been in the league, he’s made a huge jump in an area. His rookie season, he went from an out-of-control monster to someone that could score. His second season, he learned how to finish around the rim and run an offense. His third season, he improved his vision, passing, body control and jumpshot. This season I think Westbrook is going to try and cut into his turnovers a bit, expand his game to be a high efficiency scorer, add a consistent 3-point shot and add a little post-up game.
I’ve seen Westbrook try and post a lot so far in training camp during scrimmages and such. He’s bigger and stronger than most every point guard that’s guarding him so it might be a new weapon Westbrook adds to his offensive arsenal.
4. The Western power shift. The Clippers are a contender now. The Northwest Division went from one of the toughest in the league to a bit watered down. The Grizzlies are one of the West’s four best teams. It’s hard to get a feel for what’s going to happen in the West because it’s wide, wide open.
3. Healthy Perk. We’ve all talked about Perk’s remade body pretty much non-stop the past two weeks, but it’s pretty incredible. He’s reinvented himself, looks healthy and because of that, it’s like the Thunder just traded Old Perk for a new Perk. It’s like OKC got a new player. I’m constantly excited to watch him, to see how he’s moving, to see how he looks. And so far, so good. A healthy Perk could be the thing that puts OKC over the top.
2. Playing favorites. Last season the Thunder were just the group with the rising expectations. They were the team that may or may not be ready to compete in the West. They were the group that most agreed were a year or two away still. But with a run to the Western Conference Finals, all that is over. The Thunder are a favorite or maybe even THE favorite in the West. Terrifying.
1. Westbrook and Durant. This ridiculous storyline is going to drive the season I fear. Because of last season’s playoffs and the supposed rift between Westbrook and Durant that only stemmed from field goal attempts and not actual conflict, the microscope will be on these two all season. Every discussion argument, debate, high five, low five, compliment or pass (did Westbrook throw that chest pass too hard at Durant?) will be dissected.
Conflict between teammates makes for a good story. It makes a team more interesting. It gives people something to talk about. But here’s reality: The Thunder are boring. They all like each other. Nothing is going on. It’s impossible to go to a Thunder practice and watch Westbrook laughing with his arms around Harden and Durant and think, “Those guys hate each other.” It’s just ridiculous. But this story will be driving the Thunder bus, especially if OKC struggles. It’s just life as a contender. Kobe and the Lakers have been dealing with it forever. The Heat have had to endure. If you want to be great, you’ve got to be able to block out the excess crap and just do your job. That will be one of the challenges for OKC this season and their success could hinge on how they handle adversity.





I love Serge x
I think he can do great this season
I'm calling 12ppg, 9rpg, 3.5bpg, 3apg, 1.5spgĀ
Who else watched the Clips v. Lakers last night? You ask concerned about the Clips being a threat in the west? They have 4 All Stars on their roster now. CP3, Griffin, Billups, and Butler. That's impressive. Does any other team have 4 players that have been to the AS game?
@jallenmorris Pistons had 4 All-Stars in one ASG I believe the year they won 60+ games. It's not as rare as you would expect because teams that win a bunch of games invariably get extra players in the ASG. Butler and Chauncey are former All-Stars, and not nearly as effective as they once were.
That said, I am slightly worried about the Clippers because we struggle to defend ball-moving offenses. The Clips have a number of quality passers (Blakes most underrated and elite ability), and I could see us getting gouged on pick and rolls and CP3's penetration.
@Keith00@jallenmorris The Hawks have 3 all stars if we're counting formers. Joe Johnson, Al Horford, T-Mac. The Celtics have had 4 all-stars ever since putting together the Parkay Posse, The Lakers had 5 HOF'ers the year they lost to Detroit in the finals.
kind of a weird question here, but is anyone on here really good with photoshop??
@TreyFiveOnMyBack Sure. I am.
Can someone with insider give a quik recap on the article about Mullens in Charlotte?
@RRRWHOAAAA Not much there:
According to Rick Bonnell of the Charlotte Observer, the Bobcats have traded a 2013 second-round pick and cash considerations to the Thunder for Byron Mullens.
With Kwame Brown now a King and word Bismack Biyombo might not be able to get out of his Spanish contract, the Bobcats were in need of center depth.
But now that it appears Biyombo will be able to play this year for Charlotte, Mullens doesn't figure to see the floor much behind him and likely starter Boris Diaw.
-- Ryan Corazza
#1 is the BIG storyline!
I have friends from out of state that all they want to ask me about is the Russ vs. KD power play. ESPN and TNT are going to play this up for soap opera / drama TV ratings.
I am glad that our local media isn't trying to turn nothing into something.
It's been great to see Daily Thunder back and full of life again. For me, I think we basically know what to expect from guys like Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Collison, and even healthy Perk. Here are my top 3 storylines:
3) Which Thabo will we get this year? Thabo from 2 years ago or last year's Thabo. As long as Scott Brooks is coach, this will be a big issue. I'm hoping the new "Corner 3" Thabo finally shows up this time around. It would be great to see him prove us all wrong.
2) Can Ibaka hold his own against Griffin, Nowitzki, Gasol etc? If Ibaka can play solid on-ball defense against those guys, we should be favored to win the West for the next decade.
1) Can Scott Brooks make the necessary adjustments when it counts? This is actually the biggest storyline for me this year. In a compressed season where breaking the routine may be more beneficial than in a normal year, can Brooks be flexible enough to get us the No. 1 seed in the West? I'm very interested to see how Brooks reacts to such a crazy schedule. Will he let our guys run? I think this is the year that will define Coach Brooks. He has all the pieces in place. Can he make it work?
Wilson Chandler back yet?
@Lambchop No
@Grolgar@Lambchop
Wilson Chandler got picked in the 8th round in my fantasy draft. I chuckled.
@dantheman@Grolgar@Lambchop yeah my auto-pick picked wilson chandler, jr smith, and brandon roy. fml
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@deleted_1998213_Don'tStoptheSergeing Yea, ive been thinking that too... GOKC!
From ESPN's Marc Stein: Just going up on ESPN online: Sources say Nuggets and restricted free agent Arron Afflalo agree to five-year deal in excess of $43 million.
Damn it. Again, I'm annoyed. $8 million a year? That's it? That's all it took to get Afflalo? I thought he was one of the hottest free agent guards this year. And the Nuggets get him back for that cheap? Sucks.
@Daniel HawaiiIf JR smith and Wilson Chandler didnt go to China,maybe they can sign him with low price.They dont have many choices now.
I really want to know how much they will offer to those two players
@Daniel Hawaii Also, you should look at this as a good thing. If he had signed for $10m+, how much would Harden's agent be looking for?
@Daniel Hawaii That's pretty much exactly how much I had him pegged on signing for. Other than a few of the big men contracts, players have more or less signed for reasonable value this off season.
Denver will be decent, especially if Kenyon Martin arranges his buyout to come back sooner than later, as has been rumored.
Then again, shooting guards haven't really been getting paid big bucks this offseason. Jamal Crawford, Jason Richardson and Rip Hamilton all got the mid-level exception of $5 million a year. Are teams valuing SGs less these days?
@Daniel Hawaii I'd take Afflalo over those 3 guys anytime, so if that's the yardstick I guess he got what the market would bear. Problem is, now Harden is gonna want $10million.
@courtsense@Daniel Hawaii I hope I'm wrong, but I really see Harden signing for more than everyone is projecting. Especially if he can make the 3rd year leap that we're expecting out of him.
I like KD in the post better. Looks like he has worked on it.
A post game is the one missing thing in his offensive repertoire. If he bulks up just a little more and gets that locked down, who knows? He might really become the best ever as Andre Iguodala quipped during FIBA. Now before anyone bashes me for blasphemy against the great MJ, I just want to put it out there: KD is a more complete player than Jordan was at the age of 23. The potential is there, though admittedly MJ has set the bar rather ridiculously high. @OkcBaby
@Olajuwon87 I agree KD is further along. MJ started out later in life and his ceiling was out of this world. If KD is able to adapt like MJ he will be the same.
The Thunder would lose Ryan Reid's draft rights if they sign him to training camp but then cut him. Why would the Thunder bring him to camp, cut him, and lose his rights? Makes no sense. Presti only makes sensible moves, therefore the only logical explanation is that Ryan Reid was brought up to claim the last OKC roster spot. He's going to make the team.
I want to say this again but I don't like Russell Westbrook in the post at all. Last season he posted up 97 times according to Synergy. Almost 1/5 of those possessions ended in a turnover, and he only shot 29.7% from the field on the shots he did get up. .63 PPP. Almost any other option offensively was more fruitful for the team than Westbrook in the post. I think he could put effort into other areas of his offensive game and the team would see far better results.
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@deleted_1998213_Don'tStoptheSergeing@[censored] post offense is just as much about finesse and footwork as it is size and strength. Russ is far from a finesse finisher
@deleted_1998213_Don'tStoptheSergeing There is a lot more to playing in the post than strength and size, though it helps, because your back is to the basket you have to rely on your feel of the game to make good decisions, and the balance and footwork are different. If it was easy all the bigs could do it, hence why there are only a third of starting bigs that have a developed post game. It is kinda similar to how being really tall with long arms does not mean you are a great shot blocker.
On the other hand, I do like Westbrook getting early position (off the ball) deep in the paint and going up with a shot near the rim. He did this last night against Dallas and got fouled. But when he has the ball in his hands and sets up to post, he's not very effective.
@[censored] Maybe that's why he has been working on it... I tend to agree with you. I can't think of many times is has been successful.
So wait, the "start Harden" chants aren't already at "Trade Jeff Green" levels now? Sounds like we've got to chant louder fellas (and ladies)
@JimboSlice For some reason the "Like" button doesn't work for me (maybe it's linux) but yes, I'm ready to scream it START HARDEN BROOKS!
@Old Man Game just fyi, don't think it's linux because im on linux. what version do you run?
would really like some version of a fire scott brooks or start harden shirt from some company, since i highly doubt that would be in tree and leaf's best interest to print.
@JimboSlice I'm using Opera which may be the issue then. The linux is Xubuntu 11.10.
@JimboSlice I thought I was the only guy on the planet that thought we needed to trade Jeff, whom I happen to like none-the-less. Just like I now feel like it is kinda lonesome being in a position of preferring Thabo. Harden is coming along, but Thabo makes a better starter.
@GeoLogger@JimboSlice if I had Scott Brooks phone #, I would send him this text daily: Start HARDEN!
@GeoLogger I don't mind people "preferring" Thabo as a starter (although I think it makes zero basketball sense), but the last sentence you wrote is pure fallacy. Refer to "Should James Harden Start" article for proof, and refer to comment sections from playoff game threads last year for futher proof.
situations like this
http://kobe.magnify.net/video/NBA-Thabo-Sefolosha-steals-the
Of course I could find highlights all night for either player and I don't by any means think James is less than a great player. What is hard to find highlights of is James freezing up when faced with the same opportunities. These things don't make highlights. But it happens 21 feet from my seat. I see their emotions - panic or calm, confident or stressed , whatever. Less and less of him chasing his tail as James grows is perfectly obvious, I'm not against James. I could not find any comments from great players about how tough it is facing James like the one from Kobe about Thabo keeping him off his game. I bet about the same time other players talk of him like they do Thabo we'll find the Thunder managers are starting James more.
@GeoLogger Why do we need "clutch" veteran ice in the starting role?
And if clutch is throwing the ball away at halfcourt on an inbounds pass with a chance to win it on multiple occassions (including a pivotal playoff game against the Lakers two seasons ago) then yes, please give me 48 minutes of Thabo.
I have never really understood the self-devaluing opinion of "Person X has this job and I don't, so he must be better than me at every aspect of it". But this seems to be the pervasive case that is made for Scott Brooks and starting Thabo. The "Should James Harden Start" article provided just about every piece of statistical proof (although it left out the fact that we were -12 with the starters and didn't trail with any other lineup throughout the Dallas series) needed to show that Harden should start over Thabo. Bandwagonning is based off of non-substantiated personal opinion, which would actually be the boat you have put yourself in.
@GeoLogger@JimboSlice I'm confused as to what veteran ice in high demand clutch situations you have seen in Thabo? He's literally useless offensively, and has missed a number of wide open threes late in games to the point that we can't even pass to him inside 5 minutes anymore. Defense is wonderful if you are Lebron James shutting down Derrick Rose, but Thabo has NEVER been that good and was considerably worse than expected last year.
The only logical reason to start Thabo is if we expect the starting lineup to completely shut out the opponents. That has not been the case, especially since Russ/KD are forced to rest on defense because they have to do everything for the offense.
Harden has his foibles. He fouls too much (though he defends well otherwise). He hasn't shown a lot of assertiveness alongside Westbrook. Westbrook and KD often forget other players are on the court when they are together. But, for all his faults, he is still significantly better at playing basketball than Thabo. Thabo does exactly one thing well (defend). Harden does absolutely everything well.
B is not A so if A is "good" B is "bad" ignores that A may be good and B also be good. I'm just willing to concede that there may be a very good reason that the entire Thunder organization has ended up on the current path and I'm in the bleachers.
@JimboSlice I have seen it. I call it bandwagon not proof. What I think I see out of Harden is great promise but less veteran ice in high demand clutch situations than would be best. Definitely coming along and that doesn't make me one to dislike him. Right now I think maybe things are fine so far the way they have been.
Thunder will obviously sign Willie Warren now that he's available right? High character, great locker room presence, so coachable.... Am I right??
@gr8ball83 For those not familiar with OU basketball, this was a joke. Presti would never consider bringing Willie on...
@Grolgar I didn't follow OU that closely but I thought I remembered him being a problem.
@gr8ball83
Obviously he's not a Presti-type guy, but he's really talented. I won't be surprised if he resurfaces somewhere and turns into a starter-caliber player on a bad team.
@Stephen Jackson is not about this spelling Agreed, but everyone on the team has to have out of town gfs/wives or be single...
@gr8ball83@Stephen Jackson is not about this spelling I know Willie Warren was a pretty low-character guy during his time at OU, but what exactly happened with teammates' wives/girlfriends?
@gr8ball83
just keep him away from other players girlfriends