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Why is it taking so long for Russell Westbrook’s extension?

by Royce Young on December 14, 2011 at 2:26 pm 31 Comments

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July 1, 2010, Sam Presti was on Kevin Durant’s front porch at 11:01, ready for Durant to sign a max extension. This offseason didn’t have a July 1 or an 11:01 for Russell Westbrook, at least in terms of NBA free agency, so circumstances were different.

But still, when the NBA officially opened for business last week, most expected Westbrook to have an extension in hand. Hasn’t happened yet. And already, some people are getting concerned.

Berry Tramel already did a terrific job trying to dispel any thoughts that Westbrook might not want to be in Oklahoma City or something, but the question I’m not asking is about that. I’m just trying to make sense of what Presti, or even Westbrook’s camp, could be thinking. Here’s what I see it as.

In the 2005 CBA, players coming off a rookie scale contract could be extended for five more seasons, which would include the seasons on their current deal. An easy example is the max extension — or exstention, as he tweeted it — that Durant signed last season.

In the new one, a year has been cut off of that. Teams can extend for four seasons, with one player eligible to be designated for a fifth season. That player would receive more than the usual max, instead receiving 30 percent rather than 25 of the team’s total cap, but only if he meets the criteria of being MVP, making two All-NBA teams or being voted as an All-Star starter twice. Which is something Westbrook could be eligible for.

So there’s the first issue: Do you give Westbrook four or five years? Seems like a no-brainer to give him five, but it’s at least a discussion point. (And if you’re wondering, Durant’s extension doesn’t retroactively count as that one five-year extension.)

The biggest, most obvious thing, is whether or not Westbrook is worth the max extension. A five-year max would put Westbrook somewhere in the $85 million range, tying up a whole lot of money between just Durant and Westbrook. This year’s cap is set at $58 million so between Westbrook and Durant, in 2012-13, some $33 million of that would be between KD and Russ.

What I’m getting to is that Presti might be trying to convince Westbrook to take a bit less in order to give the team the best possible shot at retaining both James Harden and Serge Ibaka. Both of those players are eligible for extensions next season as well. I’m completely guessing here, but I would guess that Harden’s somewhere in the $10 million a year range with Ibaka somewhere in the $8 million a year range, depending on how they blossom over the next couple seasons.

So add those numbers to Durant, Westbrook, Kendrick Perkins deal which runs through 2015 and Thabo and Nick Collison’s that go through 2014. Not to mention Eric Maynor, who OKC would really love to keep. Westbrook taking $10 million or even $5 million paycut could be the difference in keeping one. That’s a hard sell though to a young player looking to get paid.

Now obviously the Thunder can break over that $58 million cap line for reasons like re-signing their own players and the luxury tax line is $70 million. While I doubt Oklahoma City would be excited and completely willing to break the tax line, it’s not something that Clay Bennett and company would be entirely opposed to if it meant keeping the core intact.

There could be a chance that the team would prefer to wait until next summer and let Westbrook become a restricted free agent and have the market decide his value. More than likely that would still be a max, but in the same way the Grizzlies just did with Marc Gasol, OKC could just wait for someone to offer Westbrook a number and then match it. Or they could just be waiting to see what he has in store for this year to try and firm up that number. Who knows.

But I wouldn’t read anything into the extension taking a while. Derrick Rose just got his five-year, $94 million extension with Chicago. You can be sure Westbrook’s people noticed that. The Thunder have until Jan. 25 to get one done and I was told by a person that knows that there is absolutely no rush to get anything done. And the reason for it, he said, is because it’s not necessary to hurry. Everyone is on the same page. Westbrook wants to be here and the team wants him to be here. It’s just about coming to a mutual agreement on what’s best for everyone.

Presti and Westbrook’s agent are talking. They’re trying to figure out a deal. An extension is absolutely possible. It could happen next month, next week or even today. But it could also not happen at all and I wouldn’t worry about that. Russell Westbrook will be part of Oklahoma City’s future.

Westbrook said at media day that this wasn’t a distraction at all, and I believe that. I don’t think he’s really thinking about this all that much, because he’s going to get paid and his checks will have Clay Bennett’s signature on them.

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Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Tremel also wrote that Jeff Green signed a 1-year deal for $5.6 million. WRONG. He signed for $9 million. NewsOK might be the last place I'd go for Thunder information. Mayberry is their only writer I take seriously. Carlson and Rohde are also jokes. Thank goodness for Daily Thunder!

courtsense
courtsense 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

@Daniel Hawaii Agreed wholeheartedly. Royce does a great job, and is obviously a professional writer who takes his work seriously. The crew from NewsOK...not so much. I highly doubt any of them could get a job in a major media market.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

Also, I'm of the opinion that Berry Tremel did a very POOR job with his article yesterday. He pretty much suggests that the Thunder front office doesn't understand the new CBA. That is just plain ridiculous.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

Why do we keep going over this?? Russ isn't going to sign an extension this year. He's going to try to make one more All-NBA team and then next Summer, he'll be eligible for a max contract. Those are what the new CBA rules stipulate.

It's worth it to him not to sign this year. He'll make Derrick Rose money next year if he can make just 1 more All-NBA team. That's it. It's that simple. To sign now would be stupid. He'd potentially be giving up millions.

Now whether he's worth a max contract or whether Presti would give him one is another discussion entirely.

courtsense
courtsense 5pts

If I were Presti, there's no way I wait until next year and allow the market to set the price for Russ. As we've already seen in the past few weeks, there are still too many teams willing to throw crazy money at players, and especially in this case for a young, mercurial, high-flying star like Westbrook. If teams are already lining up for Paul and DWilliams, you just know whomever misses out on those guys will be looking at Westbrook next. I don't think RW's a max contract player - at least, not yet - and I also don't think he's a franchise player like KD - at least, not yet.

So I'd offer Russ 5 yrs @ $75 mil in the next month or so, and see what he says. If that's not good enough to keep him, then everything changes, and not for the better...

THUNDERCATS
THUNDERCATS 5pts

I think and hope he will be on an all nba team unless paul and deron both have great seasons so I hope they sign him before jan 25

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@THUNDERCATS there are 3 all nba teams and the format is GG FF C so it doesnt have to be PGs, which works both ways, as it could be 2 pgs in cp3 and dwill and 4 sgs and russ gets left out.

THUNDERCATS
THUNDERCATS 5pts

@f5alcon ah thank you...I just hope he signs so I don't have hope he doesn't make the cut

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@THUNDERCATS me too, it is much better for the team if he signs for 25% then we can afford ibaka and harden without much risk of going over the cap.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

i think ibaka is in the 10 range, but with all the other big free agents next year maybe not maybe royce at 8 is right. if harden is still 6th man he probably wont get 10.

If i was russell i would wait and try and get the 30%, which might be what is happening, then the team might try to hope he is not all nba

BirdTerrifier
BirdTerrifier 5pts

@f5alcon I hope that Ibaka is 8 because of the market saturation but owners and GMs could easily give Ibaka a huge contract because they missed out on the top tier FAs and have a boat load of cap space to burn.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Could it simply be that Russell's camp wants to wait and see if he meets the " MVP, making two All-NBA teams or being voted as an All-Star starter twice" criteria? As is stands now, the Thunder can only offer Russell 25% - correct? But if he meets that criteria, they can offer him 30% - correct? Am I missing something?

Hermit
Hermit 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct Why could they not just build that into the contract, if he makes All Star, he gets more money.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

@Hermit I don't know anymore - but 5% is quite a bit. Would it have to be counted against the cap, even if it isn't used, just for the possibility that it could be used? That might be too restrictive.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct@Hermit 5% is 2.9 million a year plus raises on the higher amount, so probably in the 15 million range on a 5 year deal. That is a big difference.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Hermit@Jax Raging Bile Duct the cba doesnt allow it. it is 25% max unless certain criteria are met. I mean maybe it is possible to renegoiate upwards to 30% if he makes all nba team, which is the only way he can make it because he was an all star backup last year, not a starter, but the rules are vague and I do not think he would risk it.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct This is also my understanding. What does Russell have to gain from signing this season? He's not injury prone, he's on a team that should go deep in the playoffs, etc.

Brob785
Brob785 5pts

Only thing needing to be said..."In Presti we trust"

Steve H
Steve H 5pts

@Royce- Are you sure about the details of the 5 yr extension option? I thought that was called the "designated player" exception under the new CBA, but I didn't think that was the same thing as what I have seen described as the "Dereck Rose" exception that expanded the meaning of the term "max contract". If these are separate provisions under the new CBA, would it be possible to offer Russ a five yr deal for less than 30% of the cap?

Royce Young
Royce Young moderator 5pts

@Steve H I'm pretty sure it's as I described it, but that provision is pretty confusing. I believe to get the 30 percent max deal, you have to qualify for it. Russ could get the five-year deal at 25 percent, but he can't win MVP or make an All-NBA team next season.

Unless I misunderstand that.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Royce Young@Steve H He could also wait, if he doesnt qualify sign a 3 year 25% deal and do what lebron/wade did and get 30% after that 3 year deal. That i think is still possible.

beardjr
beardjr 5pts

if it came to keeping iback and harden and all the other role players or giving westbrook a max deal which would you choose, finding a good pg is not that hard anymore.

BirdTerrifier
BirdTerrifier 5pts

I would think that if Durant wanted to restructure his contract then he would have done so last year and not signed a max.

I agree with Justin. Kwame got 7 for being a decent defender (even whilst others protested). Even though it was only for a year it was a little jarring to the price range big men will get in this CBA. I was happy that Nene is staying in the 13.4 mil/year range though. Justin, are you thinking 10-11 mil/year for Ibaka?

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I do not think Russell Westbrook is worth a max contract right now, in a vacuum. But what is the alternative? I also think you're way underestimating what Serge Ibaka may be offered as an RFA... look at what DeAndre Jordan got. Ibaka is already better than Jordan.

Royce Young
Royce Young moderator 5pts

@[censored] You're probably right with Ibaka. But I think the main reason Jordan got so much is because the market was really watered down. Like you said with Westbrook though, I don't necessarily think he's a max guy, but someone is going to give it to him, so if you want to keep him, you're going to have to.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

@Royce Young Kendrick Perkins got $8.5M a year on a busted leg before he even played a game. I don't see Ibaka making less than Perkins unless he just does not take any steps forward this year. Tyrus Thomas got 5/40 ... I think Ibaka is looked upon more highly than him.

Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

In the new CBA, there is a change allowing players to renegotiate their contracts to take less (in the previous it had to be more) as long as it isn't more than a 40% cut...obviously, the overall details are pretty murky to date, but wouldn't you think KD would be the kind of superstar that would agree to restructure his deal to make it possible to keep his teammates?

Royce Young
Royce Young moderator 5pts

@Clark Matthews Excellent question.

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