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Thunder Player Power Rankings: The four horsemen

by Royce Young on January 30, 2012 at 12:56 pm 65 Comments

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WEEK 1 | WEEK 2 | WEEK 3 | WEEK 4

You know what I’m a fan of? These three-game weeks. When the season started, the Thunder were playing four and even five games a week. It was constant basketball without much of a chance to breathe.

And I would assume as much as I’m enjoying the lighter schedule, the team is loving it. A couple weeks ago they got two days together in Washington DC. Right now after beating Golden State Friday, they got Saturday and Sunday to hang in Los Angeles before tonight’s game against the Clippers. Not bad. Not that they need it, but these type of road trips are terrific chemistry builders. You’re there with your team and that’s who you hang out with.

But the Thunder just wrapped up maybe the easiest stretch in their schedule going 3-0 last week with wins against the Hornets, Pistons and Warriors. Now it turns over with some good teams on the horizon. Oklahoma City has now won 11 of 12 with the lone loss being that awful one to the Wizards. They own the league’s best record again and have a 2.5-game edge on the Nuggets for home court in the West. Not a bad start to the season? In fact, it’s the second-best in franchise history.

Now to the rankings:

1. Kevin Durant (Last week: 2)

Durant was quietly sensational last week. First off, he pulled that cool move of asking a reporter to explain why people care so much about him and Westbrook. Really no good reason it was cool except for, who does that? But KD’s numbers: 27.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 3.0 apg, 60 percent from the field and hit 20-21 from the line. He had the 37-point, 14-rebound game against the Warriors, was great down the stretch against the Hornets and didn’t play the fourth quarter against the Pistons but still scored 20 points on 13 shots. And here’s the thing: I still don’t think we’re getting the very best Durant has to offer. For one, he turned it over 15 times last week, but I don’t think he’s entirely into a rhythm scoring the ball yet. With the rise of James Harden along with Westbrook, Durant has to score less, so his numbers are down (plus, the fact OKC has blown out a lot of teams and KD hasn’t been playing 38 minutes a night), but he’s still putting up silly numbers. He might not win a scoring title this year, but Durant could be playing his best basketball yet.

2.  Russell Westbrook (Last week: 1)

Huzzah! Westbrook had a double-digit assist game! There are a lot of reasons it’s taken 19 games for Westbrook to crack that this season, but it hasn’t mattered. The Thunder are better when Westbrook piles up assists, but still, the team is 16-3. Through 19 games last season, Westbrook had already had eight double-digit assist games. He started a bit slowly this year and while the turnovers are still ugly, he’s beginning to really dominate games.

3. Serge Ibaka (Last week: 4)

He’s back. Ibaka recorded his first double-double of the season against the Warriors but more importantly, has looked like his old self with the relentless energy and enthusiasm. Ibaka averaged 13.3 ppg and 9.6 rebounds last week, which included consecutively his three best games of the season. He was great against the Pistons, then great against the Hornets and then really great against the Warriors.

4. James Harden (Last week: 5)

It was a fantastic week for The Beard as he averaged 20.3 ppg on 65 percent shooting. But better than that, Harden averaged 2.3 points per shot (61 points on 26 attempts). That’s one efficient beard. But it says something good about the team when Harden slips down to fourth best on the team when he’s doing stuff like that.

5. Nick Collison (Last week: 6)

Per usual, Collison’s numbers aren’t anything to look at, but which means it was a very Nick Collison week. Against the Warriors, Collison played a wonderful 25 minutes where he did work on the glass and played fantastic pick-and-roll defense. The Thunder were a +29 with him on the court, which isn’t all that surprising considering OKC went 3-0, but still, when Collison plays, the Thunder typically do well.

6. Kendrick Perkins (Last week: 7)

Perk grabbed 15 total rebounds last week. He scored five total points. That’s probably more ammunition for those that think Perk isn’t playing well this season. But I would say this: The Thunder have one of the three best offenses in the league right now. Do you really think OKC needs Perk scored eight points a game? And for the rebounding: Sometimes, individual rebounds are a funny thing to care about. Watch a game closely and see how many easy rebounds Perk might grab if not for Ibaka or Durant jumping and snatching it away. I agree, Perk could be playing better. But to suggest he’s been bad or the Thunder need to think about a change there is silly. His post defense has been terrific and in the cases where OKC needed something different like quickness to defend a pick-and-roll, Scott Brooks sat Perk and played someone else.

7. Daequan Cook (Last week: 8)

Five 3s on 11 attempts for Cook last week. Not really much else to say other than that. But here’s something: How good of a help rebounder is Cook? He’s consistently in the paint grabbing rebounds against bigger guys. Looking at his numbers he only pulled in four total rebounds last week, but it felt like 14.

8. Thabo Sefolosha (Last week: 3)

A sore foot, 1-6 from 3 and only 11 total points for Thabo. Bringing us back down to earth.

9. Reggie Jackson (Last week: 10)

It’s not that Reggie Jackson is playing badly, it’s just that he’s not doing much. He’s initiating the offense fine and hitting a runner or a jumper when he’s open, but unlike Maynor, how many points has Jackson really created? What I mean is, how many times can you think of where Jackson beat someone off the dribble and kicked out to an open man or dropped a pass to a cutter for a layup? I can’t really think of any. He’s just kind of out there, which isn’t bad. He could be completely sucking and screwing up, so I guess we should take it.

10. Cole Aldrich (Last week: 11) 

I don’t really know how Brooks could transition from Nazr Mohammed to Cole Aldrich in the rotation without it being a little awkward, but I’d at least like to see what happens. Maybe Aldrich gets eight minutes a game for the next week and we all say, “Yeah, Mohammed’s better,” but I’d kind of like to know.

11. Nazr Mohammed (Last week: 9)

It really feels like Mohammed is playing terrible, but looking at his numbers, he grabbed 12 rebounds in 32 minutes last week. Not terrible. At the same time, he’s getting beat a lot on the offensive glass and I think his defense has slipped. He’s not really a presence inside and as for impacting the game, there’s not much there. He’s a backup center so what production you get is often icing, but it seems like Brooks is cutting in to Mohammed’s time more and more. He was consistently playing 14-18 minutes a game last season and that number is often in the 8-10 this year.

12. Lazar Hayward (Last week: 12)

Here’s what separates Hayward from Ivey this week: Hayward scored three points, Ivey scored zero. I’m also going to choose to assume Hayward had a couple really great practices too.

13. Royal Ivey (Last week: 13)

Before tipoff, Ivey likes to go to midcourt and try a bunch of one-handed underhand halfcourt shots. My unofficial guess on his season stats: 0-96. I haven’t seen him make one yet. He gets close and will hit backboard or rim, but not one that I’ve seen has gone in. I’m also curious as to how he hasn’t hit someone right in the fact with one of his errant tosses yet as well.

Inactives: Eric Maynor, Ryan Reid

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totallytickets
totallytickets 5pts

I think Russell is the team MVP to this point in the season. I love KD and love his rebounding so far. I agree Perk needs to start hitting the boards.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

I wonder how KD feels about these weekly player rankings. He certainly wasn't thrilled when he saw that debate about who the better player was between him or Russ. I wonder if KD is a frequent visitor of Daily Thunder.

Crownme
Crownme 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Daniel Hawaii

Man, I hope those guys don't come here. We need them to stay positive.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

@Crownme Haha! We do point out their flaws quite often. But we compliment them quite a bit too.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

Starting lineup Reb% this season: 47.5%

Starting lineup Reb% last season: 54.0%

Considering the fact that a major selling point on Kendrick Perkins (and the Perkins / Ibaka duo) was that he would fix our rebounding issues that occurred with our old front court, where can anyone get off claiming that Perkins hasn't been disappointing so far? This is a major component of his game that has just fallen off a cliff. It's not like he has much responsibility on the court most of the time. Set screens, play good defense, rebound.

By the way:

Starting lineup (Krstic / Green) Reb% last season: 47.5%

Yes, Perkins has been a good defensive player (but we are 15th defensively, not his fault, but still) -- but he's been -worse- offensively and our rebounding has been as much a problem, if not more of a problem, than it was last season with Krstic and Green starting games. Perkins has got to step it up if he's going to be worth that contract.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

@[censored] Maybe he's boxing guys out while Serge and KD grab the rebounds? I don't know. But we're 16-3 and I'm sure Perk has a lot to do with that. If we still had last year's pre-trade team (provided Green was healthy), I doubt we are the #1 team in the West right now. Perk gives us something that's just impossible to quantify. We should never use stats when it comes to Perk's value.

That being said though, if his $8 million is the difference between us being able to resign James and Serge, I would use the amnesty on him. We must keep the Four Horsemen together.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

@Daniel Hawaii You're completely missing the point here. It has nothing to do with how many rebounds Perkins is getting or not getting - it's the fact that the TEAM has sucked rebounding the ball with him in the game. Considering Perkins has by far the biggest dropoff in rebound rate of all our players from last year (when rebounding was good), there's just nowhere else to assign blame here. I guess Ibaka can take some blame since he's also seen dropoff, but nowhere close tot he same extent.

Crownme
Crownme 5pts

@Daniel Hawaii@[censored]

Lord hep us

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

@Daniel Hawaii The better our bigs can rebound, the more our guards can leak out for fast breaks...

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

I really think getting Russ and Thabo to help grab rebounds could yield excellent results. I'm not sure why Russ can't grab more defensive rebounds a la Jason Kidd or Rondo.

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

@Daniel Hawaii "It's amazing that Perk rebounded better on 1 good knee last year, than with 2 good knees this year."

It's really astounding. After how great his body looked no one could have predicted this. I also think Brooks deserves a lot of blame for this; the amount of help he allows and the amount of hedging he allows from Russ leaves our bigs in poor position to box out.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

It's amazing that Perk rebounded better on 1 good knee last year, than with 2 good knees this year.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@Daniel Hawaii@[censored]

his career 6.1 also includes his first two seasons where he averaged 1.4 and 2.9 rpg. The better rebounding stat is trb% which is the percent of rebounds available that he grabs, this adjusts for mins played and fg%.

this year he is a 12.1% his career is 16.3. Last year he was at 18.4 when he played for the thunder and 19.1 for the celtics. This is his worst rebounding year of his career.

on just drb% 16.9% this year for us and 25.3% for us last year that is a 9.5% difference from last year.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Daniel Hawaii I wouldn't do anything now but why ignore the problem and put heads in the sand? Rebounding is a problem, Perkins' rebounding in particular. For some reason Royce and others have trouble just acknowledging this... nobody's saying to trade him or anything. He just has to be better.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

@[censored] Okay, I agree with you. That 4th quarter against GS with Nick in the game instead of Perk was excellent. So what do we do? Amnesty him and get our money back? Trade him? You know Presti will do neither. So we're stuck with Perk. We just have to hope he gets better.

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

@Daniel Hawaii I don't think we do anything right now but it's odd to completely deny that there is a problem to begin with. You're right that our performance in recent games has improved, but we have a ways to go before I feel comfortable in thinking this early season stumble is behind us. I can't believe that Perk will continue to be this poor, and still think he'll make good on some if not all his money, but it's undeniable he's been bad thus far.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Daniel Hawaii@SammyThunderer I'm saying that Royce is wrong, Perkins has been disappointing. His rebounding has been bad and the team rebounding with him in the game was bad. That's all. Before we say he has been 'good', and before Royce says it's "silly" to suggest he's been bad, he's got to be a better rebounder.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

One solution might be to have Russ and Thabo should stop leaking out on the break and come back and help on the defensive glass more. That might lower our fast break numbers though.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

@Daniel Hawaii You're ignoring pace and minutes. Perkins is averaging 7.7 rebounds PER36 compared to 11.7 last season. His TRB% is almost six percentage points worse. He's been terrible on the boards. Seriously, this is reaching Jeff Green apologetic levels.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

@SammyThunderer So what are you suggesting needs to be done? Get rid of Perk? Play Cole more? I'm not sure what you and Justin are getting at. We're a bad rebounding team. I think the coaching staff and players know it's an area of weakness and they've worked hard to improve that recently. What else do you want to see happen?

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

@Daniel Hawaii Actually, the team is 22nd in DRB%, not 20th

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

@Daniel Hawaii The team is 20th in DRB%. This has nothing to do with total rebounds. It's a percentage of missed shots that we are able to corral. Perk's individual DRB% has dropped from 26.2 last year (i.e. he grabbed a little over a quarter off all available defensive rebounds) to 16.9% this year which is a HUGE drop.

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

@[censored] Perk's career average for rebounds per game is 6.1. This season, he's averaging 5.7. It's pretty close.

Yes, our rebounding hasn't been great, but our opponent eFG% is one of the best in the league, therefore teams are missing a lot more shots and therefore have chances at a lot more offensive rebounds.

I actually think our rebounding has gotten a lot better since the Wizards game. The real test could be tonight against Griffin and Jordan.

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

@[censored] I think you can argue the poor defense is largely his fault as well since we actually have the 2nd best opponent eFG% in the league but a mediocre defensive rating largely because of all the ORebs we give up.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Westbrook is the player of the week... guess royce rankings is wrong lol

Daniel Hawaii
Daniel Hawaii 5pts

@Lost Ones Yeah, I think I would've kept Russ at #1, especially after his ridiculously beastly 28 pts, 11 asts, 6 rebs and 7 stls stat line from the other night. Russ is playing amazingly well right now.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

i'm hoping the pregame thread will be posted early today, i've been holding back my trash talk about the clippers all day

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

@OBoy Time to show Lob city who the real best team is! Thunder UP!

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@ThunderWins it really should be flop city, or flab city

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

@ILikePancakes@f5alcon CAN'T

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

@ILikePancakes@f5alconhttp://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_19849677

Don't be punked Thunder smash them so they can pull this crap!

ILikePancakes
ILikePancakes 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@f5alcon Have you seen Billups' flop in the last seconds of Nugs- LAC game? It was pathetic.

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

I will admit it is kinda sad that these power rankings are turning into a weekly bout of "watch the commenters crap all over Perk while Royce runs around defending him"

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@SammyThunderer somebody else will have a bad week eventually and we will dump on him.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@SammyThunderer Royce is trying to catch up to perks technical total

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

CAN'T WAIT for tonight's game!!!

supreethm92
supreethm92 5pts

Royce brought up a great point about Perk's rebounding. I noticed with teams like the Clippers and Wolves who have spectacular rebounders who are their star players, three guys run up the court to set up their offense and the point guard waits for the big guys to rebound and hand it off to them. Since we have guys like Westbrook and Durant and Harden always trying to snatch up those easy rebounds and get into the defense with their backs turned, Perk doesn't get those boards. I would be willing to bet that if we had a more sophisticated half court offense and relied less on fast break opportunities, Perk would have 3 or 4 more rebounds a game based on the minutes he's getting.

D@nny
D@nny 5pts

@supreethm92 I've noticed a lot of times when Perk seems to impact our rebounding without even attempting to rebound. OKC basically has above-average rebounders at every position: I often see Perk bodying his man way off of the play while Durant (or someone) swoops in). I'm fine with spearheading the "Perk might not be best judged by the box score!" movement--and it might be best to look at opposing 5's numbers in stead of Perk's. Still, I'm conflicted, because this doesn't necessarily suggest the drop in numbers since the trade (Boston had some really good rebounders too). So...whatever. One thing I absolutely know is that OKC was instantaneously better after the trade last season even when fat-Perk couldn't get up the floor very well.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@D@nny his rebounding percentage is worse this year than last year when he played for us.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

@D@nny@supreethm92 The point about rebounding is nice but isn't actually happening at the rate you are suggesting.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@TaoMaas we are +25 rebs total on the year, but most games we are behind by a handful. With a few big games that skew it to the positive.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

@Jooseppi I think you're right. The Thunder's may not be where we'd like them to be in the overall league percentages and totals, but it looks like we're averaging more rebounds than our opponents. That's the important thing to me.

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

@supreethm92 I'd be fine with Perk grabbing zero rebounds per game if the team was rebounding as a whole at an elite rate. But we've been getting crushed on the boards, so this point is moot, to me.

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

Lakers looking to trade for Sessions. Don't know who they would give up, but if it's nothing too impactful that's a deal that makes a ton of sense for them and could move them ahead of the 3-10 mishmash of good but flawed WC teams.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

@SammyThunderer

Makes a lot more sense than the Gilbert Arenas rumors to LA did.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

It's not solely abound rebounding numbers for Perk, it's about not allowing offensive rebounds. The team's been pretty bad in that area, and so has Perk. Some fundamental issues down there that we've seen corrected in spurts but still needs to be taken care of consistently.

Brob785
Brob785 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I love how feisty DC14 has been this year. He is out there hustling for rebounds and loose balls every minute he is out there.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

@Brob785 Favorite DT t-shirt: ALL DAE

C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

@Brob785 I would love it if Cook could change his number to 43. That way he could go by DC43 (DC for three). Hehe.

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

Suggesting Perk has played bad is silly? I should change my avatar to one of those dancing fan blown puppets they put in front of car dealerships. The bigger question is has Perk's play lived up to his contract, and I think the answer is a resounding no. When you sign a guy for defense and rebounding, it's difficult to justify when his failure to do one aspect (rebounding) has hurt the team's ability to succeed at the other aspect (defense)

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts

@SammyThunderer "I should change my avatar to one of those dancing fan blown puppets"

Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtespeLin2c

Royce Young
Royce Young moderator 5pts

@SammyThunderer "Bad" is so relative. You're basing that on points per game and rebounds. In terms of defending the post, communicating and screen setting, I think he's been good.

Crownme
Crownme 5pts

@Royce Young@SammyThunderer

Me too. Perk has helped make this team solid in body and spirit, he IS the Thunder.

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

@Royce Young When have I ever used ppg and rebounding totals as a measure of success? I'm using our teams ability to rebound and defend relative to the rest of the league. We've been piss poor at the former and that's meant we've only been league average at the latter despite our decent ability to limit FG%. If Perk cannot help this team rebound as a whole and keep points off the board as a whole, what are we paying him for? Screens and toughness?

Landstander
Landstander 5pts

@Royce@SammyThunderer Young Actually...yes. Screens, toughness, experience, attitude of a winner...

The rebounds and some extra scoring would be ideal, but when your team is 16-3, they have to be doing something right. (And that's not 16-3 *in spite* of Perk.)

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@SammyThunderer@Royce Young ryan reid can set screens and be tough, not sure if that skill is worth 8 million

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@SammyThunderer the other thing is that he is the only one who is rebounding at a much worse rate than the past, so if ibaka and durant are taking rebounds away from him they should be taking rebounds away from nazr and collison, and while they have a slightly lower trb% than last year collison 12.1 down to 11.1 and nazr 15.8 to 14.3. That is nothing like the dropoff that perkins has from 18.4 to 12.1

sammasaaron
sammasaaron 5pts

@f5alcon@SammyThunderer He also has the 3rd worst TO% in the league at 27.9%. It seems to me like he's pressing trying to get more involved on offense when we really don't need it.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@sammasaaron that is not all his fault, we seem to try and give him the ball in the post a few times a game, so some of that is coaching and game plan, we should be getting him on pick and roll if we are that determined to get him in the offense. he can catch the ball well enough.

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