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Thunder Player Power Rankings: KD is ridiculously ridiculous

by Royce Young on February 6, 2012 at 12:56 pm 52 Comments

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A select number of fans getting anxious, agitated and overreactionary isn’t anything new. It happens in every fanbase, even the most appreciative, smart and complacent. But why does it seem to happen quite a bit with the Thunder, a team that by all accounts people should be thrilled about?

After both losses last week, Oklahoman beat writers wrote columns wondering if the two losses exposed flaws and warts and ugly spots and problems. Sure the Thunder played horribly in those two games and I suppose you could read deeper into them if you want. Every team has flaws and problems. Otherwise they’d be 23-0. It’s about correcting the flaws enough to get by and enough to survive in the postseason.

So, why the anxiety? Why is each game under the microscope?

Two reasons, I think:

1) People can see that the opportunity to win a championship right now is a real thing. So that’s stressful. Every little thing matters, which it should. But every missed rebound, every opponent 3-pointer, every failed inbounds play are just a sign that something needs to improve if the team is actually going to complete the task of raising a trophy. If you’re going to win it all, you’ve got to get everything under control. You’ve got to hide the blemishes and correct the flaws.

2) People still kind of can’t believe what they’re seeing. I think the scars of the Thunder’s first season are still fresh with some. Like, some can’t completely buy into the team being this good and so they live in fear of reality crashing down. Every loss is potentially the beginning of the end and things won’t feel better until the Thunder win again.

And then there’s the majority of the fanbase that sees it all as gravy, but wants to win. Thing is, there’s a little of everything in all of us. There’s anxiety and frustration after losses while also a realization that the team is good and everything will be OK. Just the life, times and real-life anxiety of a fan.

Now to the rankings:

1. Kevin Durant (Last week: 1)

Honestly it didn’t matter to me if KD scored a point against the Spurs Saturday, he was the player of the week simply for his brilliant close against the Grizzlies Friday. That was just superhuman stuff. But he’s been consistently productive throughout the season and has notched five consecutive double-doubles. And here’s something that says a ton about KD: Since that Wizards game where the Thunder gave up 19 offensive rebounds, Durant has averaged 11.0 rebounds per game. He took it upon himself to correct an issue. I love that.

2. Russell Westbrook (Last week: 2)

Westbrook averaged 5.0 turnovers to  5.2 assists per game last week. That’s 21 assists and 20 turnovers. I’ve always felt I was OK with Westbrook turning it over as long as they were the good kind where he was trying to create or make a play. But I didn’t mean that it was cool to turn it over five and six times a game. But that’s just Russell. Otherwise, he was really good over last week’s four games averaging 25.7 ppg while maintaining a good shooting percentage. Plus he shot 40 percent from 3, which is icing. However, getting torched by Tony Parker for 42 is not.

3. James Harden (Last week: 4)

Here’s my case that Harden deserves to be an All-Star reserve, which I truly believe: The West needs more than one shooting guard, right? So after Kobe, who do you take? Probably the guy that plays for the team with the best record in the NBA and has the next best PER to Kobe, right? Maybe you want to make a case for Kevin Martin or Monta Ellis but the numbers tell a different story. Now with only seven spots open and guys like Tony Parker and Steve Nash deserving consideration, I understand it’s likely that Harden would be an easy snub. Positions don’t really matter in this selection process, but Harden has solid numbers — 16.6 ppg, 3.5 apg, 4.2 rpg, 47 percent from the floor and a true shooting percentage of 64.8 — and he’s the third best player on the West’s best team. That normally counts for something.

4. Daequan Cook (Last week: 7)

Cook has done quality work in the starting lineup, but one of the more impressive developments has been his defense. It’s been nothing short of excellent. He contests shots well and rarely gets blatantly beat. He’s not extremely quick or athletic, but he’s always a threat on the floor and his presence alongside KD and Westbrook open the floor a bit. I really wouldn’t be opposed if Cook stayed in the starting five when Thabo returns, even though we know that won’t happen.

5. Serge Ibaka (Last week: 3)

Ibaka averaged 3.75 blocks per game this week. But that was greatly aided by his 10-swat performance against the Mavericks. It was a decent week for Ibaka, but not great. The Dallas game was a high point, but he didn’t play well against the Clippers or Spurs and was squeezed out of the Grizzlies game as Scott Brooks went small.

6. Nick Collison (Last week: 5)

Collison has been his usual solid self, but it seems to be harder and harder to notice his contributions. According to HoopData, Collison has only taken seven charges this season (league leader has taken 21). Harden has taken the same amount as Collison.

7. Kendrick Perkins (Last week: 6)

First, this happened. Which actually tempted me to put Perk in the top five because I love the fact that he didn’t run from the dunk but instead tried to stop two easy points. But that would mean I’d be ignoring the fact Perk was awful against the Spurs and Clippers, the two games OKC lost. Also: He picked up his ninth technical of the season which puts him four away from a suspension. He’s on pace for 26 which means he could be on pace to miss up to eight games. He says he’ll get it under control, but it’s time for it to start happening.

8. Reggie Jackson (Last week: 9)

One improvement I’d like to see from Jackson is more of a willingness to attack the rim. At Boston College, he had the ball in his hands all the time and did things like this. With the Thunder so far he seems content to shoot 3-pointers (41 2-pointers this season compared to 26 3s) and just move the ball. Being aggressive is a challenge for some rookies to figure out because it’s hard to know if it’s better to get a little crazy or just try and stay totally steady. I’d love to see Jackson try and take some risks and make some plays.

9. Cole Aldrich (Last week: 10) 

Free Cole.

10. Nazr Mohammed (Last week: 11)

Just when it looked like maybe Mohammed was getting squeezed from the rotation, he came back against the Grizzlies and Spurs and played seven and 10 minutes, respectively. There’s no doubt his minutes are getting chopped and his production is way down. It’s always good to have interior depth, but Mohammed’s time in the rotation could be coming to an end.

11. Lazar Hayward (Last week: 12)

Hey, Hayward got like real playing time this week. Started the fourth quarter against the Spurs and was part of a little Thunder comeback. And… that’s your Lazar Hayward update for the week.

12. Royal Ivey (Last week: 13)

You know how much Ivey is making this season for practicing and coming up with cool handshakes? $1.2 million. I want THAT job.

Inactives: Eric Maynor, Ryan Reid, Thabo Sefolosha

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loplopol
loplopol 5pts

Is it just me or does Reggie's dunk look a lot more impressive than Blake Griffin's on Perk?I mean everyone already knows Blake can throw down monster dunks whenever he wants. I guess the fact that it's easier for Blake makes it feel less awesome.

(Not sayin it's easy to dunk over Perk though. :P)

howlingfantods
howlingfantods 5pts

I'm a Portland fan, but I watch a lot of Thunder games, and I just don't understand your team's rotations. Serge is obviously the best help interior defender, by a lot. Collison is the best one on one post defender, by a lot. Perkins seems like a shadow of what he was a couple of years ago, and Mohammed seems done. Aldrich looks like he's got a ton of potential, and seems like a really important piece if Perk never gets back to what he used to be.

So to me, the obvious move is to play Serge and Collison as much as possible together (like 35 mpg each), with Perk the main relief for both (20), and a few development minutes for Cole (10-15), and Nazr as the emergency backup.

I don't really understand the Harden thing either. OK, so he had a bad game the one time he started, when he clearly wasn't touching the ball enough to be able to do his thing. So you give up on starting him after one game? That's absurd. And start or not, you need to play him more minutes. He's the third best shooting guard in the league and the second best player on your team. You can't continue to play him 30 mpg, there's no reason for it. Ginobili is old and fragile, it makes sense for Pops to play him the important 28. Harden is young and durable, play him 36-38 mpg.

mjokc88
mjokc88 5pts

@howlingfantods

Please move on to the blazer board portland fan, James harden being the 2nd best player is your opinion. You are clearly not watching thunder games if you thing collison is a better one on one post defender than Perkins. Nobody asked for your input about our team, last time I checked we were 18 - 5, #1 seed in the west. You should hope that your team is able to make it to the playoffs.

C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts

@mjokc88@howlingfantods take it easy there man, he wasn't coming here to troll. I for one welcome another team's fans to come on and give an outsider's view of things. As long as there's no hating going on, I'm up for discussion even if it's with a rival team's fans.

And I wouldn't go around flaunting our team's record, I've already learned that lesson ;)

howlingfantods
howlingfantods 5pts

@mjokc88 weird. first time I've been criticized by another team's fans because I'm overpraising one of their players.

Of course it's an opinion that Harden's the second best player on the team, but I doubt I'm the only one who thinks that. Excluding Cole since he's only played a few minutes, he's in a virtual tie with Westbrook for second in PER, he's actually leading the team in both Wins Produced and WinScore per 48. And I don't know if Voulgaris has stated as such but I've seen him tweet criticisms of Westbrook and enormous praise for Harden, including calling him the most deadly ballhandler on the pick and roll behind CP3.

walrusmuse
walrusmuse 5pts

@howlingfantods @mjokc88 I'm glad you commented-and I love your handle. (DFW fanboy here)

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@mjokc88 Why are you being antagonistic? This guy obviously came to discuss the team and not to troll. The issues he raised about the team are pretty valid.

mjokc88
mjokc88 5pts

@SammyThunderer

Because I don't like "team reviews" from fans who have problems with their own team.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@howlingfantods We would be happy to trade coaches with you and do something that makes sense.

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

@f5alcon Be careful what you wish for. Nate's got a whole host of problems himself. I'll be shocked if he ever takes a team all the way.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@SammyThunderer yeah that is true and I do not think he would anger seattle and coach us anyway.

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

@howlingfantods Perk's man D has actually been good this year (and Collison's team D has slipped considerably... his lack of mobility is starting to catch up him). Everyone here was ready to jettison Nazr for Cole like two weeks into the season.

howlingfantods
howlingfantods 5pts

@SammyThunderer My main problem with Perkins is his turnovers and his rebounding, both of which seem to be caused by the same issues around not being able to catch the ball anymore. I'm really not sure what happened to him this season, but a starting C who rebounds like Bargnani is a major liability, and a 30% turnover rate is an automatic benching in my mind.

SammyThunderer
SammyThunderer 5pts

@howlingfantods re: Harden's lack of involvement in the first unit. Part of this is on coaching. Many of our sets with the first unit involve freeing KD on a pindown to let him operate underneath the 3p line. These can take a looong time to develop and you'll often see Russ or Harden just holding the ball on the wing waiting for KD to get free, by which time there's usually 12 or fewer ticks left on the 24. Harden's best asset on offense is his PnR ability, but I doubt there's a play in our playbook that uses the Harden side PnR as a second option when the first option breaks down. Even on Russ PnRs, Harden is used as a drive and kick outlet. The only times he ever creates off the dribble in the first unit is when that's the specific play call from the get go or when a play just breaks down completely and he needs to make something out of nothing.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

@howlingfantods Preaching to the choir. I do have to say; the staff has to do a better job of emphasizing the importance of getting James the ball when he's in the game with Russ and KD. There's no good reason why he only gets about 5 touches per quarter when he plays with those two. Russ has to learn how to utilize James as more than just a spot up shooter.

C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts

Guys, I'm missing Eric Maynor :(

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

Royce, I think you're like the Basketball Fan Whisperer. After reading the opening paragraphs of this article, I feel like I've just walked out a counselor's office.

Royce Young
Royce Young moderator 5pts

Perk: "I'm struggling."

“It’s frustrating for me when I’m looking at the stats and I’m getting like one or three rebounds. I just got to play better. And that’s on me. It ain’t on nobody else. I got to be more productive.”

http://blog.newsok.com/thunderrumblings/2012/02/06/kendrick-perkins-i-just-got-to-play-better/

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

@Royce Young Perk may not admit it, but the biggest reason his FG% is poor is because he isn't getting the ball in his spots. Perk can score efficiently enough considering his abilities, but he has to get the ball in the right spot in order to do so, and the free throw line isn't it.

But rebounds are rebounds in any system. The only thing I can think of is that his mind is more focused on positioning the various members of our defense at any given time than on the rebound, as some of our players are still lost quite a bit. But that's probably just me giving him the benefit of the doubt.

John64
John64 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct@Royce Young

I agree with you on the offensive side of the ball, Perk is pretty poor. I also agree with your rebounding/defensive assessment. I don't think Perk's defense has been as bad as many seem to think on this board. Rarely is he scored upon down low, one on one. His opponents are getting most of their points outside and in the PnR, the defense of which as Royce has pointed out, is reliant on effective team defense. I think Perk may be trying to do too much, similar to Thabo earlier last year.

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

@Royce@Jax Young It drives me crazy when he posts up and we toss it in to him. He's got to be like 5% on those. He either walks, gets blocked or doesn't toss his hook high he enough to get over the front of the rim.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct@Royce Young He's getting the ball in the right spot plenty. He's just letting it bounce off his hands 30 percent of the time.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

@Jooseppi@Royce Young Well, there's that too. I hope Ibaka's KY Jelly soaked stone hands aren't contagious. I'd be tempted to fire the ball to them at 100mph right at their faces. Catch the ball or suffer a broken nose - your choice.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Royce Young at least he admits it.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

@f5alcon@Royce Young I'm going to trust that he can pull himself out of his slump because he has the talent, strength, and will to do so.

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

@Royce@f5alcon Young I like it when he yells at a guard for stealing his rebounds.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

@okcjim@f5alcon@royce first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

We have some flaws with defending the pick and roll, but we should be fine in a series, teams cant shoot 50%+ from 3 for a whole series. We are winning with the exception of the wizards game, the games that we should win, Losing to the spurs in SA where they only have 1 loss, losing to dallas in dallas and clippers in LA are not bad losses.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

Uh-oh -- we're playing another almost flawless at home team (11-1). SHOULD we win?

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@ThunderChick2010 They are missing felton, but wallace, LMA is a bad matchup for us, so a loss wouldnt be terrible, but it would be nice to get one here, the fewer losses this month the better, but it is a tough month

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

One of the TGR guys said he wouldn't care what happened for the rest of the road trip as long as we got a win at Portland. Not sure if I agree with that -- want to win them ALL -- but it would set a wonderful tone for the week.

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

and they can shoot 50% from 3 if they are kick out uncontested (by a mile) to good shooters. Billups, Butler, Mo Williams for the Clippers and Jefferson, Leonard, Neal, Bonner and Green for the Spurs will all knock down as many as they miss if they are set, have a nice kick out and they are the only one on that side of the court.

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

@f5alcon @ThunderChick2010

We need to play defense with some common sense and if we are getting killed defending a certain way we need to switch it. Would we rather Parker shoot a 3 while dribbling or shoot a 15 footer/kick it out to wide open dead eye shooters for a catch and shoot? Same with Paul? It really is a simple game if you let it be. You have to use some common sense though.

The_Beard_Knows
The_Beard_Knows 5pts

Free Cole. I can just him at the end of the bench muttering that invictus poem:

“Out of the night that covers me, Black as the Pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul. In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the Horror of the shade, And yet the menace of the years Finds, and shall find, me unafraid. It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.”

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

[singing] All we are saying....is give Cole a chance

John64
John64 5pts

Is that Mark Cuban's sexually ambigious face in the lower right hand corner of the picture?

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

@John64 i think big still describes his face

John64
John64 5pts

ambiguous- spelling was never my strength

Podirk
Podirk 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Clearly in this image Westbrook was ballhoggin and goin for a layup and Kevin was tired of it and went chuck Norris. I wish they could just get along

My wife has started a new game during thunder games where we over exaggerate every Kd rw move...it's pretty funny and it keeps her from criticizing perks o, or serges lack of staying down on pump fakes.

O the joys of living with a three pointer to win the state championship wife.. :)

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

@Podirk What you don't see off camera is all the babies Westbrook has eaten.

TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard
TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard 5pts

I guess the frustrating thing about Cole is that we moved up to draft him, were dramatically underwhelmed with his rookie season, and now he looks to have made great strides (while the person in front of him has not), but yet we don't get to see those improvements in any real action. And now with Brooks maybe moving to a 9 man rotation, there's almost no scenario you can picture with him getting real minutes anytime in the near future.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

@JimboSlice That's the frustrating thing: there's a spot there, it's clearly open but he can't get it. For all the work he can do in practice, you're still essentially wasting the season from a development standpoint if he can't get real minutes in the NBA.

bsdpm
bsdpm 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Jooseppi@JimboSlice I would love to see Cole play more. I don't understand the idea of dropping to an 9 man rotation (8 with Thabo out) in the shortened season. With games essentially every other night, it only makes sense to have more people playing than less. It is obvious that our big men's main contribution is screens, rebounds and preventing easy buckets, with an occasional bucket within 6 feet. Cole should be able to handle that. If we continue to limit our options to just Perk, Serge and Collison, there is an increased chance they will get hurt from fatigue and screw everything up. I can only imagine the fall-out from that happening. Free Cole!

TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard
TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Free Cole shirts anybody? Even better would be FREE free cole shirts lol

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

I'm picturing the faux-hawk, missing tooth, black eye version of Cole straining to break free from the shackles tethering him to the bench as he surges toward the basket. . . .

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

I'm down for "Free Cole." He might be terrible in real minutes. I don't care. I just want to know.

The_Beard_Knows
The_Beard_Knows 5pts

@Jooseppi He is not the best center in basketball as his PER would indicate, but I think it does mean should be competitive with the 58th and 65th best centers in basketball.

gr8ball83
gr8ball83 5pts

@Jooseppi He might be terrible the first game or 2 in real minutes, but long term I think he needs them. Free Cole.

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