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16 thoughts from the Heat-Thunder game

by Royce Young on April 5, 2012 at 12:00 pm 108 Comments

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The Thunder lost a thriller in Miami 98-93. Here are 16 thoughts I had from it:

1. The MVP isn’t decided yet. It’s 1-1. KD badly outplayed LeBron in the first meeting, LeBron edged Durant by virtue of turnovers and the scoreboard in this one. KD was in the position of needing to win to make another statement because of LeBron’s superior statistical season, but MVPs are often awarded based on story, not stats. And KD’s got quite the narrative.

The attention span in sports is pathetically short. It’s game-by-game and that’s the point. After this game goes in the rearview, one clunker from LeBron and a couple Miami losses along with a few big shots from KD and a strong finish by KD will sway everything again. Why? Because LeBron didn’t whip KD the way KD whipped LeBron in the first meeting. LeBron’s night of outplaying Durant wasn’t some obvious deer-in-the-headlights type of beatdown like was the case in OKC.

LeBron’s got the lead again and it’s his award to lose. Or KD’s to win. There’s still time either way.

2. Four plays decided the game. Two of them were 3-pointers from Shane Battier. One was a jumper from Chris Bosh. And the fourth was actually two plays — Udonis Haslem blocked Russell Westbrook and James Harden and then LeBron turned around and finished a layup on the other end. That’s how you win games like this. You make those two or three or four big plays. In the postseason, games come down to those type of moments. If Ibaka closes better on Bosh, if Harden doesn’t fall asleep sagging off Battier, if Westbrook is able to finish, we’re probably talking about a different outcome.

3. The Thunder evidently have to kick Dwyane Wade in the face every time they play. Not a bad tradition to have.

4. James Harden is probably the X-factor. Harden had his moments, but just never completely put his stamp on the game the way we’re used to. Twelve points on 11 shots is unlike him. A lot of that is because he couldn’t find a way to the free throw line (just one attempt) and a lot of that was due to the fact Miami defended the pick-and-roll really well.

If Harden is scoring, the Thunder are exponentially more dynamic offensively than the Heat. Chris Bosh, their third wheel, needs to be set up by LeBron and Wade to get his. Harden can create it all on his own. He can handle, pass, score, create and shoot without needing Durant or Westbrook to hold his hand. He makes OKC more versatile and much more dangerous.

5. Neither team has an obvious edge anywhere. There’s really no place that you can say, “Yep, the Heat/Thunder are just better there.” They match each other in almost every area. Which means a series between the two would just come down to stars making plays.

6. Going small doesn’t work against the Heat. Scott Brooks favorite little toy in his pocket is his small lineup, but the Heat can match it with no problem. LeBron can play the 4 seamlessly, Bosh or Joel Anthony the 5 and with Wade, Battier and Chalmers as the guards. OKC’s best lineup is staying big with Perk and Collison/Ibaka to seal the paint.

Like I said, there’s no real matchup edge anywhere because both teams are incredibly versatile. Throw out a unique lineup and the other side will equal it. Which is why you have to play to your advantages. Ibaka only getting 24 minutes wasn’t smart. He was blocking shots and rebounding well, and with him always being a threat to hit a pick-and-pop jumper, he gives you an extra option offensively. Plus, he can steal you two points on the offensive glass.

7. If OKC and Miami meet in The Finals, Russell Westbrook will be Enemy No. 1. He’s already a pretty polarizing NBA player, but his flagrant foul on LeBron set the arena on fire against him. It was a dumb, dangerous foul, but no way was it intentional. Westbrook was trying to take the foul by wrapping up LeBron, but he was just way too late doing it.

Westbrook wears a boulder-sized chip on his shoulder so I’m sure the “Westbrook sucks!” chants didn’t hurt his feelings, but he’s an extremely emotional player and you know he heard it. And all it made him want to do was kill whatever stood in front of him. That’s what I love and hate about Russ. He’s so insanely competitive that he almost relishes the type of situation he was in, but at the same time, when he gets that way it can bring the worst out in him. I thought he kept his head pretty well considering the circumstances. He wasn’t overly loose with the ball, wasn’t reckless and though he took 26 shots, his offense was badly needed.

8. Ball movement against the Heat is a good thing. I don’t think there’s any good reason Westbrook didn’t pick up his first assist until the fourth quarter. It was a fantastic look to Collison, but really, he’s got to do a bit better are involving others before then. Assists are a bit arbitrary because it takes two players to successfully register one in the box score, but the Heat were clearly attempting to bracket and control Westbrook from taking over. He needed to flip that hybrid switch over to “create” and look to set up a few shots for Ibaka or Thabo.

The only problem is, the more you pass, the more opportunity you give the Heat to jump a passing lane or disrupt something. It has to be purposeful, and never lazy. Otherwise, the Heat will pounce and it’ll be two points faster than you can say, “WHAT THE CRAP WAS THAT RUSSELL?!”

9. The 3 KD took with 19 seconds left was a good shot. As soon as Durant hoisted it, everyone immediately went on a “Scott Brooks crunch time play hahahaha!” thing. But I didn’t hate it. Three point game with 19 seconds left, it’s no guarantee you’re going to get an easy 2. That’s fun to say — just get an easy two here  – but it’s not always that practical. Plus, it’s not like that’s an impossible shot for KD. It was a pretty clean look and a very make-able shot for him.

I might be wrong, but I think that was the same play the Thunder used to tie the game against Denver in the epic overtime time game where Durant turned down the 3 to drive to the hoop instead. The difference in that game was the margin was two, not three. If OKC goes for a quick 2 and gets it, the game is extended and Miami has to make free throws. The Thunder had two timeouts, so assuming OKC scored quickly, they’d likely have the ball again with 10 seconds left and potentially in the same situation — make a 3 to send the game to overtime.

If you could guarantee a quick 2, I’d say that’s the right play. But a pretty good look for KD who can absolutely make that shot to tie the game? I’m fine with that too. Since it didn’t go in, it’s a bad shot. But if Durant nails it, nobody is saying anything but good things.

10. There’s some bad blood brewing. After the game, Wade told reporters, “We’re not fake tough guys.” That was either in reference to what Brendan Haywood said recently or almost assuredly in response to what KD said about Chris Bosh next season. That, plus the hard fouls from OKC and the never-ending trash talk that went on sets up this thing as quite the heated (sorry) rivalry, if the two teams ever get far enough to meet.

11. Keep in mind, this was a road game. And road games are hard to win. Which is why the next three weeks are pretty darn important. The Heat have won 17 straight at home, so they’re clearly not a team you want to have to beat in their building. The Thunder are one of the league’s best road teams but it’s clear it’s not easy to win away from home. OKC’s tied with the Spurs in the loss column now so the top seed is up for grabs. Securing home court isn’t only big just because OKC’s better there, but also for the psyche of the team. You don’t want to go into the playoffs knowing you gave something away.

12. Miami’s black uniforms remind of one of my mom’s nightgowns. So silky.

13. The Heat can’t rely on the 3. Miami hit 10-of-24 from deep in the game from 3, and just 21-of-59 from 2. On the season, the Heat are 20th in the league in made 3s per game at 5.6. They shoot 37.1 percent which if fifth, but only attempt 15 a game, which is 23rd. The Thunder did an outstanding job of forcing Miami outside. Problem was, they hit their 3s. Mario Chalmers 3-6 from 3, Battier 3-7, LeBron 3-7 and even Terrel Harris hit one from deep. I don’t think that’s something they can count on happening with any regularity.

14. It’s unknown at this point if Derek Fisher will ever make another 3-pointer. Just when it looked like he finally hit one, he inexplicably took a dribble up to put a toe on the 3-point line to make it a super deep 2.

15. I’ll ride with KD over LeBron any day. The box score looks all good until you get to that ugly nine. Nine turnovers for KD, a career-high. And while LeBron definitely outplayed Durant in this game, in terms of who I truly believe is the guy built and willing to get things done in the big moments, I want Durant.

Even though KD missed the game-tying 3, there was no question as to what was going to happen there. And Durant lives and dies with the miss. He’s got no problem taking the shot. I don’t think there’s that kind of certainty with LeBron. KD doesn’t have a back down bone in his body. He’s ready for any challenge, ready for any moment, ready for any matchup. He’s one tough dude for being that skinny.

If this is your Finals matchup and it’s a tie game with three minutes left, who would you trust more: Durant or LeBron? I’d take Durant. Not because he’s better, but because he seems almost genetically engineered for it.

16. I’d pick the Thunder in a seven-game series. Before the season, I didn’t feel that way. Heck, I still didn’t really feel that way even after the Thunder smoked Miami in OKC two weeks ago.

But I feel that way now.

The Thunder are tough. A lot didn’t go their way. A few calls, an uncharacteristically charged Miami crowd chanting at them, easy shots that didn’t fall. And yet they were right there. I don’t think either team necessarily walked away able to say they played a great game, but the Thunder scratched and clawed their way to the finish line despite Miami having a +23 edge from 3 and the free throw line.

I think you can sometimes learn a lot more about yourself through adversity than you can in an easy win. The Thunder were up against a lot in this game. The Heat were desperate and OKC was walking into a hornets’ nest. But they never backed down, stayed tough through rough moments and gave themselves a chance. The reason I thought the Heat would win a series is because I had a hard time picturing the Thunder piecing together four perfect games to beat Miami. But Wednesday proved they wouldn’t have to. The Thunder can beat the Heat without being perfect. They’re tough enough to win ugly against the league’s best.

It’s weird to think the Thunder made a big statement in a loss, but that’s what I took from Wednesday’s loss. This team has been impressive a lot of nights this season, but there are gut check moments and I think it’s pretty clear the Thunder are ready to answer the call any time.

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HookemKD
HookemKD 5pts

I'm going to repost something I posted on monday, for everyone who is now convinced LeBron is the MVP (I don't understand at all, apparently he wasn't two days ago, and now it's unanimous):

 

If KD had been shooting consistent free throws this season he would have a crack at a 50-40-90. Currently Durant is attempting 19.5 fga per game on .504 Fg and .381 3P (.848 from the line). The only player to record a 50-40-90 season with more FGA per game is Larry Bird who recorded 22 attempts per game in 87-88 and 20.2 attempts per game in 86-87 (both with 50-40-90 seasons). In fact, with historical seasons for players with over 19 FGA pg only Larry Bird and Kiki Vanderwhige have had better single season shooting %clips (Add a 27ppg requirement and you're left with Larry Bird), and both were in their shooting primes at the time (between 28 and 30).  Durant is currently having the 5th best season of the like of all time, and he's only 23 years old. Most players peak at their shooting abilities in the late 20s.

 

Durant is having the 5th most efficient shooting-scorer season of all time (of only 3 players, one of whom is the greatest SF of all time) for someone scoring the majority of points for their team, and he's 23. Who thinks his shooting won't only get better?

 

And somehow people think LeBron is having a superior statistical season...

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=fga_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=19&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.50&c3stat=fg3_pct&c3comp=gt&c3val=.38&c4stat=ft_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.84&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

HookemKD
HookemKD 5pts

Sorry, because it's old you need to sort 3p by 37% to see KD listed with them, which also, interestingly, will add a 26 year old Michael Jordan to the list.

criznazy53
criznazy53 5pts

If we don't win the championship this year. What changes  are going to happen.

Is getting a new Coach a guarantee if  we fall short? I think the would be on the top of the list.

 

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @criznazy53 I wouldn't expect any such changes seeing as though are four best players are 23, 23, 22, and 22

courtsense
courtsense 5pts

1. The MVP is decided, and it's LeBron. He is the best all-around player in the game, and impacts the action in more ways than any other player.

2. If OKC had finished even a couple of the 4-5 shots they had right at the rim within the last 5-6 minutes of the game, they would've won. They didn't, they lost.

3. Yes, please. He's a great player, but the consummate jackass/flopper.

4. Harden, like Westbrook, needs to quit playing for the foul on every drive to the rim and focus on finishing the shot. The fouls will come.

5. More or less, although Perkins, Ibaka, and Collison are better than any combo Miami has at those positions.

6. Disagree - but OKC has no shot if their SF is turning the ball over every other time he touches it.

7. Who cares.

8. Yes, it is.

9. Are you f-ing kidding me? Enough with the "KD is perfect" crap - that was a bad shot.

10. Yes, there is. Good.

11. Yes, it was - and the Heat certainly got their share of protection from the refs.

12. Uh, okay.

13. Agreed.

14. He will, and it will be timely - count on it.

15. See #9. I love KD, and he's my guy - but LeBron is still the best 2-way player in the game, and it's really not even close in that respect.

16. Me too. I picked Miami in 7 at the beginning of the year, but I think OKC has grown enough to do it this year. 

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @courtsense I agree with you on #9 (and others). #12 was odd but whatever. On #6 it looks like a draw so far. http://basketballvalue.com/teamvsteam.php?year=2011-2012&team1=OKC&team2=MIA

Fistful of Rings
Fistful of Rings 5pts

Who else despises Skip Bayless?

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts

NBA ranked westbrooks dunk over asik only 7th all year which i think is way too low, it should be at least in the top 5   

http://www.nba.com/dunk-ladder/

KoolKeith3000
KoolKeith3000 5pts

According to 82games.com Fisher is +3.6 on the plus/minus rating so far with the Thunder.  In contrast, Jackson has a negative 6.4 rating for his time played this year.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @KoolKeith6 I see Fish as +18 on /off here. On when Westbrook is off mostly. http://www.82games.com/1112/11OKC5.HTM#onoff

KoolKeith3000
KoolKeith3000 5pts

 @Crow  Yeah, it looks like I actually posted the 'simple rating' for Derek Fisher.  On court/off court for Fisher is +15.7 and -7 for Jackson.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @KoolKeith6 He is +3.6 on (only) for all his time, mostly with the Lakers. http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2011-2012&team=LAL

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @KoolKeith6 "on" meaning on the court rather than on/off comparison

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts

I've never seen this group of DT commentators so positive after a loss. Not to mention losing two in a row.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Skyline

 As I've said before, Royce is like our Fan Whisperer.

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 Lol, I know, go and re-read comments from last night during and after the game. Now read the comments in this section and it is like Jeckyll and Hyde.

 

Royce should charge for this type of therapy, there is no way of knowing how many people he has talked down from the ledge. Lol.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @Skyline  @ThunderChick2010 Guys can get emotional 2:)

Loose Sluggage
Loose Sluggage 5pts

Livefyre question for you all. On the score # next to my posts, I seem to fluctuate back and forth between 0pts and what ever my score is really up to at this point, 16 or whatever. Obviously no one respects what a 0 pt newbie has to say but a grizzled vet with 16 pts will generally receive mad props. So i guess the question is, what the hell is going on with this? Also, give Ibaka more minutes dangit.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Wanderer

 If you'll sign out and back in, sometimes that will restore your Like total in your view.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

 @Wanderer The points are still a work in progress, so there is no definitive answer as to how they are awarded or calculated, and as of right now they don't mean anything. Also, if you comment on another board that uses livefyre, you get points from that participation as well. So the very first comment you make here you could already have amassed lots of points that only makes you look like a grizzled veteran when you really aren't. 

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @Wanderer Its a glitch.  No worries everyone else can see your props

Loose Sluggage
Loose Sluggage 5pts

@OkcBaby Right on, thanks. That last one still shows me as zero on my screen but whatever, maybe it'll keep me humble if I'm at zero in my own mind.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Go Celts

walrusmuse
walrusmuse 5pts

this is great, Royce. The loss stings, but moreso because it was gettable. Which is good in itself. 

 

I didn't like KD's look in detail, though the play was good, and necessary, down three. I just thought he wasn't as set in his shot as he normally is on this play, distance and all. He was turned a bit, like the ball was a little hot and rushed. But the play was probably the right call, and he got a decent look, just didn't square up well. 

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @walrusmuse I dont blame Brooks for that shot.  If KD would have squared up and jumped straight up Lebron would have jumped into him.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @walrusmuse I have a feeling KD likes that shot.  Its like a layup for him

Stephen Jackson is not about this spelling
Stephen Jackson is not about this spelling 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I could be wrong, but when the "westbrook sucks" chants started, it looked like russ was bobbing his head in rhythm with it. That's just fantastic. Players that relish the jeers of a road crowd are few and far between, and it looks like we have at least one.

 

I might be the only one who feels this way, but I think daequan is going to win us a key game come playoff time. His impact reminds me of Ray Allen's during boston's championship run (albeit to a smaller degree), where he can just break a team's spirit with 2 3s in two possessions when defending him isn't prioritized. 

SB718
SB718 5pts

 @DSYIII Cook would have to be in the game to do that.  I know he's coming back from injury but I have a bad feeling about Fisher stealing some of his minutes.

sammasaaron
sammasaaron 5pts

 @SB718  @DSYIII Yeah, I was a little irritated that Brooks never played the bench as a unit in the second half (or if he did it wasn't for very long...my memory has proven spotty before) considering the success they had in the first half. I don't know if it would've made much of a difference, but it at least would've been a change of pace and a different style to defend.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @sammasaaron  @SB718  @DSYIII Of course that could have to do with injury and adding a rookie PG then Fisher but he could definitely do a better job managing the rotation.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @sammasaaron  @SB718  @DSYIII And not going to say most of the time but a lot of the time the lineup is not what should be on the floor

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @sammasaaron  @SB718  @DSYIII Agreed, Brooks goes from hardly ever deviating from the lineups to literally switching all the time

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @DSYIII def agree about cook

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @DSYIII A note about Cook (and the nickname topic from earlier this week): Someone said a while back that it's too bad Cook's number isn't #43 because then you could say, "DC for three!" 

 

When sharing this with my daughter, she said that #14 is perfect for him because he could be The Pi Man -- "three-point one four".  Clever child.  :)

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I think we can beat the Heat in a series with HCA, maybe even be slightly favored.  

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @justin_mia The series would probably be settled by which stars were hotter or colder, but it could be settled by Miami's better defense or who is the better coach.

C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts

 @justin_mia I think it's downright crazy to think the national media and Vegas bookies would favor OKC over Miami, especially with how much is riding on LeBron and Wade, and how they're two of the most recognizable names in sports. Plus, people know Miami, a worldwide renowned city, versus Oklahoma City in which two out of 25 random people could point to on a map.

walrusmuse
walrusmuse 5pts

 @justin_mia I wouldn't have thought that, like Royce even after the OKC game. But this one kinda made me think we have some degree of parity with them. 

HR_TX
HR_TX 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Russ was 9-26 last night. Looking at the shot chart, he took 5 shots from >19 feet and was 2-5 on those. He took 2 shots from 16 feet out and went 1-2 on those. 

 

His remaining 19 shots came from 12 feet or closer. He went 6-19. I don't see too many 6-19 performances when he's living in the paint like he was last night. 

 

I think the Thunder probably played closer to their floor than Miami. Both teams played relatively poorly, but other than Wade/Bosh missing shots they usually make what was really all that different for Miami? The only other difference I saw was they shot the 3 better than normal. 

 

 

 

 

tygablood
tygablood 5pts

Royce on serious homer-ade saying this loss makes him think we beat the Heat in a finals matchup...the game showed once again that OKC is a little soft and can be bullied like they have in these last 2 games.

walrusmuse
walrusmuse 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @tygablood Memphis makes just about every team look soft. OKC treated them lazily and paid for it, but while I respect them I don't think we would lose a playoff series to them. 

SB718
SB718 5pts

 @tygablood So the beatdown of the Heat and the 3 wins against Memphis disappeared huh? 

tygablood
tygablood 5pts

 @SB718 We played Griz with their full team (Zbo, although no Connely) for the 1st time and they handled us in OKC

tygablood
tygablood 5pts

 @SB718 my point is the game was like the 1st week of the season when Zbo was out of shape while young OKC, to their credit, was not...however Memphis now is fully healthy and rdy to go as playoffs are close and look what they did...

SB718
SB718 5pts

 @tygablood He played 40 minutes.  So 1st is injury and then when that's wrong it's blame the lockout?  Was OKC in training camp when everybody else was locked out?  You're beyond reaching right now.

tygablood
tygablood 5pts

 @SB718 lol yea i guess he "played" that game even though obviously out of shape after lockout...its just a different team now

SB718
SB718 5pts

 @tygablood Check your facts Zbo played the 1st meeting, in Memphis. 

HR_TX
HR_TX 5pts

 @tygablood how does this game show the Thunder as soft? 

tygablood
tygablood 5pts

 @ThunderUp12 Against the Griz and Heat this week OKC has been bullied by more physical teams and they have lost...being physical with our perimeter players is the easy recipe to beat OKC

walle
walle 5pts

 @tygablood Lebron, Bosh and Wade are just as soft. They should be called the Miami Floppers. Seriously, they hit the floor and turn to the officials on every play. Sorry, but losing to a team that hit 5 more 3's than normal and got a ridiculously good game from Lebron and they barely win by a basket or two isn't bullying. Take off the flourescent colored glasses, stop being blinded by the neon signs of South Beach, the Heat have some issues. If Battier is your three pointer shooter the rest of the way, thats not very good. And don't mention Mike "the glass man" Miller, guy can't stay on the court for more than a week. Their bench is as weak as any. I can't see Wade and LeBron carrying them all the way. Its too much. 40+ mins in the playoffs is gonna be their enemy. 

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderUp12  You could also say he turned it over 9 times trying to force the issue. Brooks needs to help KD get free by using something other than an off-ball screen or a pindown. Force Miami to switch and/or recover to get KD the ball.

HR_TX
HR_TX 5pts

 @tygablood And how exactly was KD playing soft? He was consistently trying to post Lebron in that mid-post area. He had 9 turnovers attacking the basket? He didn't just get ripped 9 times standing on the perimeter. Most of his turnovers came from attacking and trying to make something happen.

 

I'll give you that KD needs to be stronger with his handle against ball pressure but does that equate to being soft? And how does that equate to the team being soft? 

 

OKC won the rebounding battle and had more points in the paint yesterday. How is that soft? 

 

tygablood
tygablood 5pts

 @ThunderUp12 KD tends to play soft when he is facing good, physical defenders that grab and push him the entire game.  He needs to adjust to that style for the Playoffs...its the next step to get passed WCF

HR_TX
HR_TX 5pts

If the Thunder are "soft" and were "bullied" by Memphis and Miami the margins would have been much bigger than 6 and 5. Soft teams don't play poorly, and nearly pull out victories against supposedly "physical" teams. 

 

I'm not even sure what your definition of "soft" is.

sammasaaron
sammasaaron 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @tygablood  @ThunderUp12 Hollinger wrote basically the same thing in his Per Diem for today, so it isn't 'homer-ade'. You don't have to discredit someone else's opinion to disagree with it.

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