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Dallas or Denver?

by Royce Young on April 26, 2012 at 1:45 pm 47 Comments

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Besides stalking over the Lakers box score tonight to see how many points Kobe Bryant has, Thunder fans also have a great interest in two games going on — Denver at Minnesota and Dallas at Atlanta.

The Thunder will draw either the Nuggets or Mavericks for the first round of the playoffs depending on tonight’s outcome. Here’s the scenario: The Nuggets are a game up on the Mavs, but Dallas holds the tiebreaker. So if both teams win, OKC draws Dallas. Both teams lose, it’s Dallas. Denver wins, Dallas loses, it’s Dallas. Dallas wins, Denver loses, it’s Denver. To dumb that down, the only way the Thunder avoid the Mavericks is if Dallas wins and Denver loses.

The question is, where should rooting interest lie? Should the Thunder hope for a chance at revenge for last season’s Western Conference Finals, or want another shot at handling the Nuggets?

DALLAS
OKC’s record against: 3-1
KD against them: 25.5 ppg, 45.0 FG%, 101.7 OffRtg, 4.8 turnovers per game
Westbrook against them: 22.8 ppg, 39.0 FG%, 102.7 OffRtg, 4.0 turnovers per game
Key numbers:

It’s important to note that this Mavs team is really nothing like the one that beat the Thunder in five games last season and won an NBA title. No Tyson Chandler. No J.J. Barea. Heck, no DeShawn Stevenson. But what seems to make Thunder fans squirm about a matchup with the champs is twofold: 1) They’re the champs and 2) Dirk. There’s no getting around it — Dirk is scary.

The Mavs battled complacency all season long following their championship and there’s a feeling that they might have been just saving themselves for the postseason. That they might just be holding back to make a strong push over the next month. Maybe so, maybe not. But when you play Dirk, Jason Terry, Shawn Marion and Rick Carlisle, you play with fire. The Thunder are better than the Mavs this season. They should handle Dallas in a series. But messing with Dallas seems to be a bit risky.

DENVER
OKC’s record against: 2-1
KD against them: 35.7 ppg, 59.0 FG%, 116.1 OffRtg, 3.7 turnovers per game
Westbrook against them: 31.0 ppg, 50.0 FG%, 115.0 OffRtg, 3.7 turnovers per game
Key numbers:

It seems to me that Scott Brooks might’ve showed his cards a bit. With little to play for other than a scoring title, Brooks left his starters in to try and finish the Nuggets Wednesday. Why? This is speculating, but potentially to try and force a first round matchup against them and not the Mavericks. The team said they don’t care, as well as Brooks, but come on, what do you expect them to say? Yeah, we really don’t want to play the Mavs.

The Nuggets are a good team and offensively are dangerous. While the Thunder have held a pretty good stretch of dominance over Denver dating back to last season’s opening round, the games have been close. Outside of a blowout in Game 2 and the whipping in Denver this season, there was the overtime game in OKC this year, and three very close wins (and a loss) in the playoffs last year. It won’t be a waltz past the Nuggets. Ty Lawson is a very underrated player, the Nuggets have a lot of dangerous scorers and some length inside. They hit the boards well, always seem to speed OKC up and force turnovers and outside of the last four minutes of the fourth often outplay the Thunder.

So don’t think that this answer is that obvious.

VERDICT

Again, this is closer than it appears. The numbers say the Nuggets, the past history says the Nuggets and the matchups say the Nuggets. But I actually think the Thunder might be better off drawing the Mavs. The Nuggets have the ever dangerous revenge factor and riding high off an albeit meaningless win they have more confidence than they’ve ever had against the Thunder. Against Dallas, OKC would have to be focused and attentive to its opponent immediately out of the gate. There would be absolutely no taking the Mavs lightly and if anything, it could ratchet the Thunder back up to that other level Westbrook and Durant have talked about.

It’s the playoffs and like Brooks said, you’ve got to beat good teams no matter what. Whether Denver or Dallas, it doesn’t really matter. Both teams are very good. But look at it this way: Who has a better chance of offing the Lakers in the opening round — Dallas or Denver? The Mavs swept the Lakers last season, but Denver has played the Lakers better this year (Dallas is 0-4, Denver 1-3).

In the end, I suppose if I could point a finger and pick, I’d choose Denver. But something tells me Dallas might secretly be the better choice, just for intangible factors. We’ll find out soon enough.

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T-Fred
T-Fred 5pts

so when are they going to release the schedule 

duhsweetness
duhsweetness 5pts

Apparently a Jason Kidd-less Mavs are just hilariously bad.

MrRaysian
MrRaysian 5pts

i'd rather have the Mavs. Denver are a scary team, but Dallas doesn't hold a scare factor. 

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OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

If we can come out in Game 1 against the Mavs and play anywhere close to the level of the first halves at home against the Heat and Bulls, there's a decent chance the Mavs never recover.

SeanzieCrews
SeanzieCrews 5pts

Why is Tyson Chandler getting so much love for DPOY? Was he really good defensively this year?

SB718
SB718 5pts

 @SeanzieCrews Y-E-S!

 

ThunderBelize
ThunderBelize 5pts

 @SeanzieCrews I dunno... Ibaka had many many more blocks than chandler and had just as much of an impact on the team as chandler did.. I think chandler is getting for his work last year with Dallas... a make up for being overlooked!

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderBelize  @SeanzieCrews Chandler made a D'Antoni team in the top 10 in defense. Pretty much by himself. 

HookemKD
HookemKD 5pts

I heard Kobe gave KD a call this afternoon. Durant said he picked up the phone and all Kobe said was: You're welcome

HookemKD
HookemKD 5pts

Is a combined offensive rating of 231.1 for two players good? Yeah let's take the Nuggets, I don't see how beating Dallas would prove much. I think either way it's 5 games max

C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Screw it, lets play Dallas.

SB718
SB718 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

After that choke job last year, the way they talked smack, the dumb ass smugness of Jason Terry, I could go on.....I want Dallas.

Dallas, Lakers, Spurs, Heat...revenge tour 2012

Lasers
Lasers 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @SB718 i admit, i wanted to avoid dallas (more than LAC, less than memphis), but now that it's looking like we're getting them i'm all amped up for the tough playoffs route

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts

 @SB718 I've been pushing, Dallas, Lakers, Spurs, Celtics, since the AllStar Break.

 

That is all of the former champs lined up one by one.

walrusmuse
walrusmuse 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I think Dallas too. I'm always scared of Dirk but I'm more scared of OKC not taking opponents seriously and playing mediocre. 

CTizzle4Rizzle
CTizzle4Rizzle 5pts

 @walrusmuse I feel like we seem to do better when there's the real threat of a tough opponent rather than saying, "Ah, they can't touch us, no big deal." We seem to drop the ball a little bit and get stunned when we don't take a lesser team seriously.

ATH
ATH 5pts

Dallas came out flat against Portland in last season's first round. They gained massive confidence by sweeping the Lakers. No such momentum this year. 

sammasaaron
sammasaaron 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Obviously the Thunder match-up better against some teams than others, but success or failure in the postseason for this team is going to have much more to do with HOW they play than WHO they play.

SeanzieCrews
SeanzieCrews 5pts

 @sammasaaron TRUTH

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Can we have a bye?

KellOne
KellOne 5pts

 @FF_pickups Lol, can we save it for the WC Finals?

supreethm92
supreethm92 5pts

Another thing is that Dallas hasn't been as good of a road team this season as Denver, but they have a pretty strong home court advantage and OKC would definitely want to snatch game 3 from them to finish it in 5, obviously holding home court themselves.

ThunderBelize
ThunderBelize 5pts

I'm Biased... I want the Mavs so I can jaunt down there see game 3 or 4 since it looks like I will miss 1,2 and 5 in OKC while I am there!!

 

Should be straight forward... DEN vs lowly Minny and DAL vs Atlantia... 

Please lose DAL or win DEN... don't make beg!!

SeanzieCrews
SeanzieCrews 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderBelize For your sake I hope we get Dallas! 

 

But also in all seriousness, I think the Mavs are just less scary this year. I know they have Dirk and Jason Terry, but I can't see that series going to a game 7. I'd say we win in 5, maybe 6.  We're just better than them.

ThunderBelize
ThunderBelize 5pts

 @SeanzieCrews I agree... I think the key will to be make Dirk work and stay home on Terry... don't let him gets is cock strut going... Keeping Marion and Carter in check as well, but rather them get hot than Dirk or Terry...

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Three consecutive years as scoring champion...

That's a big deal. <- Understatement of the day

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts

Trying to picture the look on Kobe's face when Mike Brown let's him know the news.......

Jeremy2
Jeremy2 5pts

kobe is not playing tonight versus sacramento...durant wins scoring title...boo...i wanted to see a challenge

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Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts

 @SeanzieCrews  @Jeremy2 https://twitter.com/#!/Lakers.

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SoonerSpens
SoonerSpens 5pts

 @ILikePancakes Can I like this twice!? SO MUCH BEARD!

booles
booles 5pts

  @ILikePancakes i laughed way too hard at this

Perk has a lot of value to our team
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ILikePancakes
ILikePancakes 5pts

 @diddoff WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DATS MY MAN KD

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ILikePancakes  @diddoff !!! 3 Down, and 7 more to go!!!, Be Like Mike!!

jbeach22
jbeach22 5pts

 @Skyline *8 more to go!

LPCes99
LPCes99 5pts

@Skyline @ILikePancakes @diddoff Trust me it's not Kobe , he knows his limits and if he plays with the 5 bench guys since gasol, bynum etc r not playing, he knows he has no shot so he's saving face

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @diddoff Beat me to it, just announced Kobe will not play tonight !!!

ILikePancakes
ILikePancakes 5pts

 @Skyline  @diddoff That's completely un Kobe-like, but maybe his man-crush for the Thunder is taking him over. Wonder if we could sign him for dirt cheap in few years... you know, to be Harden's backup

SoonerSpens
SoonerSpens 5pts

 @ILikePancakes  @Skyline  @diddoff Can he eat at Harden's lunch table, or are benchwarmers forbidden?

ILikePancakes
ILikePancakes 5pts

Wow, seems like Nas wants us to win the title.

ILikePancakes
ILikePancakes 5pts

 I want Denver. My scumbag friend is a Nuggets fan, and i want to win the whole box of beer like last year.

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ILikePancakes I say Dallas, you can find lots of new "scumbag friends" all over Okc that are also new Mavs fans and you could win boat loads of beer from them too. haha.

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