If Russell Westbrook was drafted in 2007 and KD in 2008, would people say this is Westbrook’s team? — Derek E.
That’s, a good question. It’s never been a question of whose team it is because KD has always been the alpha. Westbrook joined Durant, not the other way around.
But I think it would still be Durant’s, just because of the way the two entered the league. KD was seen as the next superstar scorer, a guy that would certainly play in All-Star games and make some All-NBA teams. When Westbrook was picked, he was seen as a reach, a guy that was taken because of his defense. There wasn’t a single person, other than Russell Westbrook, that said “this guy is going to be a star.” Durant’s had that look in him since he mowed people down as a freshman at Texas.
That’s a pretty good chicken-or-the-egg type of thing though because seniority does count for something. And I wonder what Westbrook would’ve looked like as the fourth overall pick taking over as the new face for a terrible team. Would he be a different player? Would he have a different mindset?
Obviously, the reason this question and a lot others like it have been asked is because people are kind of wondering if maybe, truly, really, this might be Westbrook’s team. He’s routinely taking a lot of shots, hitting big ones in crunch time against marquee opponents and putting his stamp on memorable moments.
It’s definitely not. KD is the voice of the team. He’s the leader. He’s the only player that the media want to speak with after games. He has a set time pregame that reporters are allowed to talk to him because he’s the only player that consistently draws interest every night. The way it was his voice that boomed loudest about the You-Know-Who controversy in defending Westbrook, the way he handles crunch time, the way he effortlessly defers to get teammates going but can step in and take over when needed — all of that just screams that KD owns this team.
I really think the Westbrook-Durant dynamic is as good as it has ever been because both are completely willing to interchange that alpha role game to game. There’s no tug of war between the two. There’s no evident tension between shots. The spotlight of the playoffs can change things, but entering the postseason, that relationship is in as rock solid a place as ever.
I was wondering if you can come up with “Why the Thunder won’t win a championship with Scott Brooks at head coach.” I believe it would be just as popular as ” Why the Thunder won’t win a championship with Russ at the point guard.” I feel that Brooks doesn’t have the guts to make changes for the better of the team. I don’t see him going with Harden at point and Russ at the 2 down the stretch if Russ is having a bad game in forcing shots/turnovers. I agree Brooks has terrible offensive sets and he relies too much on Individual talent, Russ/KD/Harden’s one on one ability and Ibaka’s shot blocking to bail out poor defense. Is he willing to go up to our big three and change their bad habits? What are Brooks positives as a coach ? — Randall
Well then.
First part, about Brooks’ guts. I think he’s already answered that question. Game 2 of the Western Conference Finals, he sat Russell Westbrook in favor of Eric Maynor, essentially kicking off the “Westbrook isn’t a point guard the Thunder are better without him trade Russell” fanfare. Brooks knew what he was doing. He knew there would be backlash. But all he had on his mind at that time was winning the game against the Mavs. That’s it. So he made the tough call and left Westbrook on the bench. And the team was better for it. Not only did OKC win, but I think Westbrook grew from that moment.
Is Scott Brooks a championship coach? Nobody is until they win it. Rick Carlisle was never seen as a guy that could get it done… until he did. Jerry Sloan has never won a title — is he not a championship worthy coach? Same with George Karl. Same with Vinny Del Negro (OK, bad example).
I honestly don’t think Brooks has received enough credit for his work with this team. There are issues and struggles, but every group has them. I think we’d all agree there have been major advancements and improvements with this team since the postseason last year, and it has come without a major acquisition that made the roster better. It’s been internal development. Brooks has turned to more of a hybrid offense, interchanging point guards, letting Westbrook play off the ball, letting Durant run point, moving KD to the 4. All in all, it’s taken the Thunder to the best offensive team in the game. Early season issues like ball movement and turnovers have gradually improved through the season. And the defense is coming along at the right time.
Is Brooks a good enough coach to win a title? I don’t know. Because you don’t know that until it’s done. Is Tom Thibodeau a good enough coach to win a title? Is Stan Van Gundy? Doc Rivers was seen as a dead man walking in Boston before he got Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. Now he’s a “championship coach.” You don’t have to be Gregg Popovich or Red Auerbach to win a championship. You’ve got to have good players and know when to get out of their way.
OK, I’ll be the one to write the over-the-top, gushing James Harden email. Is it bad that I can’t fully enjoy his season knowing that the price tag on him goes up with every crazy-efficient scoring night that makes you seriously consider if he just might be the most valuable player on this team. Even more crazy, is there another shooting guard you would rather have on your team right now? You made the argument that he has nearly solidified himself as the No. 3 shooting guard in the league behind Kobe and D-Wade, but with how well he runs an offense from that position, I don’t know that I would take either of those two over him on my team. That’s probably an exaggeration, but how much longer until he is considered one of the 25 best players in the league. Is he there already?! — Chris H.
Then you must’ve enjoyed last week. I understand the issue though. I’ve had multiple people whether it be media types of others tell me they think Harden is a max player. I think that’s a bit exaggerated but then again, a lot of general managers are stupid and overpay players. People that know basketball realize how good a player Harden is. I don’t need to spend 200 words telling you about it. But it’s true — the better he plays, the more his price goes up.
I’ve kind of chosen to take a more immediate view of things. There’s still this season and next guaranteed with Harden. Questions don’t have to be answered until then. Could he be a max guy on a bad team? Potentially. But he could also understand his value to this team and rather get paid to stay. I talked to Harden for a feature I wrote for a magazine recently and I asked him if he ever wonders what it would be like being the man on the Bobcats or Pistons. He said he does a little, but in the end always would rather be on a winning team. I think the same thing might apply with his future. I’m not suggesting he’s going to take a bunch less, but if he gets an extension offer from the Thunder for $12 million a year or something, he might just say, “That’s fine, I’ll take it” and never know what he might’ve garnered in restricted free agency.
But again, that’s a question for this summer.
This lockout season has really affected offenses, and team offensive efficiency is down across the board. Teams (like OKC) that have continuity and youth seem to have the advantage with the lack of time for practice and rest. Also, the elite defensive teams no longer reside in the West. I’m wondering if what looks like an elite offense this season relative to the other teams is just an illusion. Should we take comfort in the fact that our team has the No. 1 offense in the league, or is this unique season just making the Thunder look better than they really are? (and on a side note, why are we all so worried about offense, when the bigger issue is defense?) — Eric K.
I think that’s a worthy point. Offense does change in the playoffs. Games slow down, possessions are more important and players play a bit harder. It’s just the way it is.
But offense doesn’t just disappear in the postseason. It’s not like the game changes THAT much. Great offense will be good in the playoffs, bad offense will be bad. There were games in the postseason last year where OKC’s offense looked unstoppable. Game 5 against Memphis. Game 2 against Denver. Game 2 against Dallas. The first 45 minutes of Game 4 against Dallas. The thing is, you just can’t rely on that kind of offense to consistently get you through.
When you face the same team four, five, six or seven times in a two-week span, they figure you out. It becomes more about who has the better players, who is going to hit the big shots, who is going to be able to get key stops and who is going to make the decisive plays. The reason people say defense wins championships is because you can’t count on hot shooting or terrific ball movement every night. But if you can fall back on a tough defense that can get you stops and win a game where you shoot 39 percent, that might be enough to push you to the next round.
Get the No. 1 seed and play the Grizzlies in Round 2 or get the No. 2 and play the Lakers? — Nate G.
Home court. Always take the home court advantage.
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@Kreese29 He probably needed some time off to reload the ole Water Pistol.
@Daniel Hawaii @Kreese29 Its going to be fun the day after Thunder win the Finals with Russ Westbrook as the PG and Bayless will either not show up or try to avoid admitting he was wrong
All these articles lately about losing Harden or Ibaka in 2 years makes me sick to my stomach. That RealGM article about swapping James for 2 first round picks this year is certainly smart and could pay off down the road, but I would just hate so much to see him go.
Seeing either of these guys in another uniform in their primes would seriously just make me want to throw up.
If it becomes apparent 2 years from now that we must amnesty Perk to keep both Harden and Ibaka, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
@Daniel Hawaii Thunder have some rich owners,right?I just think if they dont want to pay some money to keep our core players,why did they buy this team and move it to OKC?They can find better way to earn money than a pro team.
Thunder earned $20M last season,and we have bigger chance for business development because we are top team now.
@Daniel Hawaii we have 8 owners,so if we have to pay $10m tax,1.25M/per one.Of course Bennett and McClendon will pay more.
By the way,I really hate new CBA,it hurts small market teams more than big cities.
@shiki @Daniel Hawaii We forget there is a good side of CBA too. The new revenue sharing model means that as a small market team, the big money teams are going to help pay our guys.
@shiki @ThunderWins The problem is I don't think even Presti knew that James and Serge would be as good as they are now. I think he certainly HOPED they'd develop into great players, but to have James as possibly the 3rd best SG in the league and Serge as the NBA's leading shot blocker by over 1 block per game at 22 years of age (BOTH of them!) probably surpasses even what Presti could have envisioned. (By the way, Serge is averaging a ridiculous 5.6 blocks per game in his last 7 games.)
So while we likely do have rich owners, the reality is we are going to have 4 guys who could definitely command max or close-to-max contracts and with the new CBA brutally punishing teams the higher into the luxury tax they go, it's just so utterly, absolutely, devastatingly depressing to think that we're eventually going to have to lose one of our Fabulous 4.
@Daniel Hawaii @shiki @ThunderWins If we win a championship the odds of them staying would be a bit higher. Fisher probably wouldn't resign, there would be no pressure to make any free agent adds or sign any big rookie contracts. Most likely Perk would have to go, but the problem is that some guys are going to be looking for a new contract down the line and possibly for more money (Sefolosha, Cook, Collison)
@Daniel Hawaii What remarkable about all this is Presti has thought about all of this BEFORE getting to this point.
He already has a few plans in mind depending on what happens count on it. The real question how badly do Ibaka and Harden want to stay here versus make more money and be a big star elsewhere?
It's a real shame they can't do what do in the NFL and restructure contacts.
I just want more Thunder Games.
probably have to wait 'til next Monday . . .
i want to talk draft. what will happen this year?
@MrRaysian Let's talk the draft. Who would you like to see us draft. Do you think we can really keep ibaka. I know harden isn't going anywhere, but I'm just not sure and ibaka. I think he would be easy to replace ibaka, maybe the guy we get to replace ibaka plays better defense and not just block shots.
@Kreese29 @MrRaysian i'd obviously want the core to stay, but then we won't have money for role player, so we need peopl eon rookie contracts
What were you? Did you average 1.4 points as a senior in high school?" Rose asked, while Bayless tried to deflect the question and move on. "All of that Pistol Pete stuff? Water Pistol Pete Junior." Bayless responded by saying that the two will address his high school career later in the program, but Rose kept going. "Don't ignore that. Did you play JV as a junior?.. Okay." Ohh how sweet was that? Jalen Rose my new fav analyst on ESPN.
It was hilarious wasn't it? 1.4 pts a game as a senior at NW Classen and he played JV as a junior..Water Pistol Pete....OMG. It's just stunning to me that none of our local media or writers have really called Bayless out on any of this. Cosell once wrote a book entitled 'I Never Played The Game',,,which basically assailed jocks in the media and maintained just because you never played a sport at a high level dosen't mean you can't comment on the sport at the highest level. I have no problem with that, but what I do have a probelm is when a five star whore like Bayless just goes on and basically becomes nothing more than a National Enquirer genre sports writer. Good for Jalen Rose, Charles Barkley, and Kevin Durant.
how much would you pay westbrook to tweet the words "Skip you sucked in high school" and never tweet again after
@OBoymuzik I didn't see 1st take today but I listened to the podcast. Actually felt a little sympathy for ole skip after jalen called him on his bs. He seemed abnormally contrite after the verbal beatdown. I mean he's a 60+ yr old, 130 lb man who's probably never had much luck w/the ladies & who's 80+-yr old mom still lives here and probably feels the brunt of the okc hate toward her son. As much as I hate the incessant tebow adulation and Westbrook bashing, I still watch the show when I'm around & am somewhat grateful that an Oklahoma guy who doesn't talk like a hillbilly has reached that level of fame.
@OBoymuzik whopper \hwap-er\ n 2 : an extravagant or monstrous lie
Maybe Burger King will hire him to promote its Whopper . . . or Junior Whopper.
Somebody should just beat Bayless to death. I mean, that whole deal he had with Troy Aikman. Are you kidding? Which guys in the OKC sports media do you think he's closest to? I was just curious if anyone has any insights in that regard.
@El Prez Craig Humphreys was his best man. or the other way around. Either way he and craig humphreys are real close
That's interesting. I actually enjoy Craig's work. He does a nice job. I thought he would have better taste in his friends. Bayless is no longer a journalist. Like Barkley said, he's a punk who plays out a part on ESPN to elicit ratings and snag a big paycheck. How sad--because underneath all that bs is a really bright mind being wasted.
@OBoymuzik he should just do some water pistol 3 shooters when he makes a 3
Came across this video, while i was looking for Jalen/skip video.
Gotta give props to Charles..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ory1HeQHE
How many yrs are left on Perkins contract? If we can't resign ibaka will we trade him during this yrs daft?
@Kreese29 it's more likely that we amnesty perkins, because in trading him we would have to get similar value back
@OBoymuzik You misunderstood my question. I was asking if we should trade Ibaka during the draft if he are not going to give him an extension. I wouldn't want to trade perk, he has little value, I just wanted to know how many yrs left on his contract, so we can get some fresh blood at the center position
the skip bayless/jalen rose thing made the yahoo front page where they feature news stories which i thought was kind of funny
@bmuelle2112 Lol.... Water Pistol Pete Junior
@bmuelle2112 yahoo probably hates him too, he is a pretty dis-likable troll
watching voldemort squirm with jalen rose's questions over and over never gets old
Gee . . . quiet night on dt
I'll toss this one up in the air: My favorite Thunder moment this season was __________ .
@ThunderChick2010 I really enjoyed when Russ posterized Omer Asik. I also enjoy pretty much every single block by Serge, especially when some foolish little guard ventures into the paint and thinks he can sneak one by and Ibaka comes over and demolishes it.
@Daniel Hawaii Ha! The Westbrook/Asik play is my desktop background.
ahh . . . I worked a 5:30pm - 3:30am shift when I was just out of college. It was brutal--always out of sync with the rest of the world.
@ThunderChick2010 Yup, I'm in Hawaii. I work a 2-10pm shift, so I usually stay up really late (often to watch DVR'd Thunder games which I try my best to avoid the score of all day) and then I wake up around noon (which is like 5pm OKC time). That's why I can rarely take part in your early morning/afternoon conversations and game threads. =(
@Daniel Hawaii Cool -- and El Prez could finally get that Pau Gasol wallpaper he's been looking for! :
btw . . . Are you really in Hawaii? If so, do you just not sleep?
@ThunderChick2010 Awesome! I've been using this as my background for months now, but I probably need to switch it up soon:
http://www.basketwallpapers.com/Images-09/Oklahoma-City-Thunder-2011-NBA-Conference-Finals-Widescreen-Wallpaper.jpg
My favorite Thunder moments this season...1 Russ signing his extension, 2 KD's game winner against the Mavs, 3 about six different plays by KD and Russ in the epic overtime thriller, 4 Perk kicking Wade in the head, 5 Perk elbowing Wade in the head, and 6 KD telling Bayless he doesn't know shit about basketball. Those would be my favs, TChick.
@El Prez westbrooks extension would be 2 for me and the denver game 3
@OBoymuzik @El Prez I still love the heat game at home.
How often does your favorite team get to the national favorite on big time TV?
@El Prez no i'd go with the dallas game with Kd's shot...just because it was against dallas
Was the Denver game your favorite game of the year? It was mine for sure.
Without a doubt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dyx-zoqrEM
. . . and the announcer's slow motion voice at the end (gooood plaaaaay byyyy Ibaaaaaakaaaa) still cracks me up.
@ThunderChick2010 i'd have to say the dallas game when KD hit the shot at the buzzer...the first week or so of the season the whole league was so rusty that i really couldn't enjoy it that much even though we were winning but that game was like the start of the season for me...and i had a great view from loud city
@ThunderChick2010 your constant changing avatars is confusing me, it is what i use to associate people
@f5alcon sorry . . . but I do stick with the Thunder t-shirts :)
Changed my mind back . . . this is my avatar and I'm sticking to it!
@ThunderChick2010 lol yeah you do.