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Return of the Dream: Thunder-Spurs preview

by Royce Young on May 25, 2012 at 12:45 pm 420 Comments

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You know in The Matrix when Neo finally realizes he’s The One? Agent Smith has kicked his butt the whole movie but finally, he gets whatever it is he needs to get, starts seeing in binary code or whatever and wins the fight. He was always good, but for whatever reason, it all clicked for him there.

After he kicked Agent Smith in the chest and sent him flying, it was obvious — this isn’t the same guy. He had grown, evolved. He was becoming what he was supposed to be.

I think you can see where this is going.

The Thunder are making a return trip to the Western Conference Finals, this time drawing the other Texas giant. It’s been an interesting development because the Spurs have subverted everyone and quietly become the favorite to win it all. When the season began, nobody was talking San Antonio. The Thunder were one of a few favorites, and it appeared that the West was opening wide up.

It all went according to plan. The Mavs slipped back to the pack, the Grizzlies weren’t as good as advertised, the Lakers were the same and the Nuggets’ team ball didn’t pan out. If not for those pesky Spurs, OKC would be on cruise control towards The Finals. Instead, the Thunder get a group that have won 18 straight, 28 of 30 and are 8-0 in the playoffs.

The Spurs have played big brother to the Thunder the past three years. The Spurs are everything OKC has ever wanted to be. The similarities are striking, not just from the way the organization operates, but even down to roster structure. It’s impossible not to notice how Durant is the Duncan, the quiet star, the unspoken alpha dog that everyone falls in step behind. How Westbrook is the Parker, the relentless scoring point man that can own the floor in his own right. And Harden being Manu Ginobili, but with a beard.

The Spurs aren’t just big bro only because the Thunder are clearly trying to copy the successful Spurs model of long term, sustained success though. But also because San Antonio always seems to find a win against OKC. In the last three years, the Thunder are 2-8 against the Spurs and have lost those eight games by an average of 9.6 points. If there was ever an appropriate team to get past en route to The Finals, it’s the Spurs. It’s the ultimate passing of the torch.

But this isn’t some kind of mismatch. There’s been so much drooling over the Spurs lately — and rightfully so, mind you — that it seems some re overlooking the fact the Thunder are very, very good. This isn’t some David vs. Goliath matchup. It’s the West’s clear top two teams counting off steps and squaring off. Most feel it’s a de facto Finals matchup, with the winner likely set to be the eventual NBA champ.

Some Thunder fans seem to greatly fear the Spurs, for good reason, but in a way to try and prepare for disappointment. Anxiety runs high and now with the Thunder playing a truly great team, the expectation of advancing has simmered. Instead of bustling confidence, now I’m getting emails and tweets saying, “How can we beat the Spurs?” I understand the fear, I really do. I’ll say this though: Believe in your Thunder. They’re damn good. They really are. If they bring their best and it’s not good enough, so be it. But they have what it takes.

Four games for the next step. Four games to move on in the process. Four games for a shot at glory.

RECENT HISTORY

San Antonio took the season series 2-1 over the Thunder. Here’s how those games played out:

Thunder 108, Spurs 96: On the third night of a back-to-back-to-back, the Thunder smoked the Spurs holding Tony Parker to only four points on 1-8 shooting.

Spurs 107, Thunder 96: Behind 42 from Parker, the Spurs handled the Thunder with ease in San Antonio. OKC had to two possessions a few times in the fourth, but couldn’t come up with enough stops.

Spurs 114, Thunder 105: The Spurs built up a huge lead but a massive Thunder run closed it down in the fourth quarter. Danny Green hit a couple big late 3-pointers to put OKC away.

RELEVANT SEASON STATS

Offensive rating: Spurs 110.9 (1st), Thunder 109.8 (2nd)
Defensive ratings: Spurs 103.2 (10th), Thunder 103.2 (11th)
Pace: Spurs 92.9 (7th), 93.0 (6th)

FIVE BIG THINGS

1. Pace vs. Pace. One of the more interesting things about this series is that neither team is going to try and control style of play. There won’t be any talk about tempo or controlling the pace. The Lakers and Mavs wanted to slow OKC down and make the Thunder play their style. The Spurs want to go. The Thunder want to go. Halfcourt sets will be huge and transition opportunities might be limited, but this isn’t going to be a series where one side imposes their style on the other. It’s just going to be about who does it better.

2. Smallball. Obviously this is kind of the hook. The Spurs don’t have a true big outside of Tim Duncan. They ‘re versatile inside, but like the play Boris Diaw, Tiago Splitter, DeJuan Blair and Matt Bonner at the 4. Which clearly opens things up for Durant to play a whole lot at the 4. A wise move from Scott Brooks would be to go small, but not with the Fisher-Westbrook backcourt. Instead, use Westbrook, Harden, Thabo, Durant and a big. More length, more athleticism, more ability to defend the perimeter. There’s simply not a lot of value in playing Ibaka and Perk at the same time.

What I fear is a little of that old classic Scott Brooks stubbornness is going to show. I wouldn’t expect him to change his starting five, because that’s just not what he does. But he has to be free flowing with the way he handles his big man rotation. Perk deserves his minutes and will have some value, but maintaining the same rotations that were there during the season isn’t wise.

3. The paths we take. A lot has been made about how dominant the Spurs have been this postseason. And they surely have. But they might’ve had the easiest path to the Conference Finals out of any team. (Maybe the Celtics). They swept probably the worst team in the playoffs in the Jazz, then dismantled a beat up Clippers team that really wasn’t as good as its fourth place finish. Obviously impressive to handle business like that, but the Thunder went through the defending champs and a quality Laker team, and did it in nine total games.

4. Can the Spurs defend Durant? One of the more underrated things about this series, at least for me, is getting to cover Coach Pop for two weeks. Which will be awesome. Anyway, the reason I bring that up is because before the last game in OKC against the Spurs, Pop said if Kawhi Leonard could hold KD under 50, he’d slap him on the butt and say good job. Obviously Pop was exaggerating a bit, but the point is, the Spurs don’t really have a high quality defender to throw at Durant. No Shawn Marion. No Metta World Peace. It’s a rookie in Leonard and Stephen Jackson. You’ve got to think that’s a substantial advantage for the Thunder.

The best defender the Spurs probably have for Durant is Pop’s brain, because with five days to prepare, you know he’s going to come up with something.

5. How much will blowing home court hurt? We all tried to downplay the significance of it when it was happening because there was no guarantee the Thunder would even meet the Spurs in the Western Finals. Well, here it is. And the Thunder blew it. Instead of staying home for a week, practicing here and waiting for the Spurs to make a trip north, the Thunder have to travel to San Antonio and pull the whole hopefully-steal-one-of-the-first-two act.

The Thunder are an exceptional home team, as are the Spurs. Winning on the road isn’t foreign to the Thunder, but having the first two games at The Peake with a charged home crowd could’ve been big in establishing an early edge in the series.

FOUR POTENTIAL X-FACTORS

1. Could Royal Ivey be the Thunder’s secret weapon? With the Spurs whipping the Thunder in the pick-and-roll in OKC during the last meeting of the season, Scott Brooks went to his bench. He called upon the man they call “Smoke” and put him on Parker. The result? Parker finished the game 2-4 for six points in the fourth quarter. Ivey fights through screens harder than anyone on the team, contests shots and understands exactly why he’s on the floor. Granted, it was eight minutes of a regular season game and you can’t make a big rotational decision based solely on that, but if Parker is torching Westbrook, would Brooks try playing this card?

2. Derek Fisher. Good to have just in case OKC needs one of these.

3. Danny Green. Not only did Green put in his name to become a starter on the All-Thunder Killer team with his last performance against OKC, but he could potentially be the top option for the Spurs in defending Westbrook. San Antonio switched Green to Chris Paul late in games in the Clipper series as Green used his length to try and take away Paul’s jumper. That same tactic could be coming against Westbrook. Westbrook is quicker than Paul as well as bigger and stronger, so Green might not be able to take away Westbrook’s driving option, but he certainly can contest the midrange game.

4. Nick Collison. Consider this: With Collison on the bench, the Spurs were a +13.7 per 48.With Collison on the floor, a -11.4 per 48. The Thunder are going to play a lot of smallball in the series, but the question is, who is the preferred 5? Perk? Ibaka? Or Collison? More than likely Brooks will let that decision play out by feel game to game, but Collison certainly has the strongest case. He defends the pick-and-roll better than any OKC big (and as well as any big in the league), has enough size to contest Duncan and is strong on the glass. He can’t protect the rim from the weakside like Ibaka which is why Brooks might prefer his shotblocker, but Collison should make an impression on this series.

THREE LINGERING THOUGHTS

1. The regular season series might not be the best indicator. The Spurs took it 2-1, but both teams don’t have the same look now. San Antonio dumped Richard Jefferson, brought in Jackson and promoted Leonard. The Thunder didn’t have their top perimeter defender in Thabo Sefolosha for one of the games. And Manu Ginobili didn’t play in any of the three. What to make of that? I have no idea.

2. How do you stop Tony Parker? He smoked OKC for 42 in one of the meetings, and it really seemed more like 72. He got anything he wanted in the pick-and-roll, didn’t meet much resistance to the basket and controlled the game throughout. Simply put: Russell Westbrook needs to grow up as a defender. The Thunder have some options here and there with Ivey, Thabo and maybe even Durant (I’m serious), but the responsibility rests with Westbrook. He can defend Parker. He’s just got to do it.

3. OKC has more talent. But I think the Spurs might be a better team. It’s kind of complex. Let me put it this way: If the Thunder played their ideal game on the same night the Spurs played theirs, I think OKC would win. The difference between the teams though is, the Spurs come closer to that ideal game far more consistently than the Thunder. OKC has a smaller margin for error because of the Spurs’ consistency and experience, but if things click the way they can, the Thunder could get to rolling. San Antonio is going to welcome the Thunder to play their favored style of game. It’s just a matter of who does it best.

The pick: Thunder in seven. It’s a return to a scene of disappointment for the Thunder. But a year ago against the Mavericks this was a bright-eyed bunch, though they wouldn’t admit it, were just kind of happy to be there. The Western Finals were a gift as it were and anything beyond, a blessing. Still, they were right there, potentially two fourth quarters away from punching a ticket to the NBA Finals. The writing was on the wall with that team though. Against Memphis, there were struggles. And the Mavs exposed it all.

Similar to last season, OKC gets a seemingly destined team. A group playing its best basketball at the right time. The Thunder start on the road, aiming to steal a game and bring it to OKC tied up. They play a Texas team that’s one of the West’s old guards, a club the Thunder need to topple before they can seize control.

Other than the name and colors on the jersey of the opponent, everything in this series appears to be nearly the same.

Except this Thunder team isn’t.

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Jameswade99
Jameswade99 5pts

Oh yeah- my prediction for the series. Thunder in 6. If it goes to a Game 7, then I find it difficult to believe our Thinder will pull it off at San Antonio. We can/will earn our first trip to the finals on our home floor in Game 6.

Jameswade99
Jameswade99 5pts

I very rarely post. I truly enjoy reading everyone's comments and thoughtful suggestions on how our Thunder can improve. Many on this blog are extremely passionate about our team and I love to see it. What I don't understand is how so many people can be so rude to our fellow fans. (Even though some on this blog may be fans of other teams). Most of us are Oklahomans and should represent our city, state, and team with class and civility. I am asking all on this blog to be focused on supporting our team throughout their playoff run instead of talking down to other commentors. Now, one final comment: THUNDER UP!! Be safe tonight. Have fun. And let's go Thunder.

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

I think this post sets the record for most comments not having anything to do with basketball lol

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @bmuelle2112 This is what happens when there's a week long break during the playoffs.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @bmuelle2112 lol, some of the kate upton threads might still be more

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @f5alcon kate upton is a little better then whatever this was lol

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @blueRAP  @f5alcon I agree with that...Spurs offense would go from 1st to last lol...and their TO's would skyrocket

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @bmuelle2112  @f5alcon We need to get her and Kate Upton together on the Spurs offensive end during the playoffs

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @blueRAP  @f5alcon ya lol

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @bmuelle2112  @f5alcon is that eva longoria lol

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @f5alcon  @bmuelle2112 hubba hubba

 

(1 hubba for Kate, the other for your avatar)

Thunderbuzzy
Thunderbuzzy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I see this series going either way really. If the Thunder can get an early win in San Antonio in the first game or two then they got a really good shot at beating this Spurs team. Riding that kind of momentum back into OKC with Chesapeake Arena going ballistic will fuel this team to heights nobody can beat. But if the Thunder fail to win one in San Antonio I see the Spurs mentality kicking in and saying all we need to do is get one in OKC and it's over.  Don't recall a series where the first 2 games were more pivotal then the last few games. When these two teams go at it, it will be all about momentum and who can overcome.

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

[rocking back and forth]

Well, then who's playing first? Yes. I mean the fellow's name on first base. Who. The fellow playin' first base. Who. The guy on first base. Who is on first. Well, what are you askin' me for? I'm not asking you--I'm telling you. Who is on first. I'm asking you--who's on first? That's the man's name. That's who's name? Yes.

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

I hereby nominate aise0603 as the official DT Livefyre troll.

 

Any objections?

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @blueRAP I object.

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @aise0603 Too predictable. 

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @aise0603 Just poking some fun at u if you can't tell. I think you take the internet a bit too seriously, but I digress..

 

I think the playoffs are won on 2 primary factors, effort and talent. As long as the Thunder can at least match SAS in effort, I think most people would agree that the Thunder are superior in talent. There you have it ;)

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @aise0603 because aise0603 will call me a poser if I think otherwise :(

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @blueRAP I am going to go back through later and look.  Why do you think the Thunder will win in 6?

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @aise0603 Are you keeping a list of usernames?

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @blueRAP And why do you like the Thunder to win?

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @aise0603 Thunder in 6, if u must know

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @blueRAP 

What's your official pick?

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts

discountcolonics.com anybody?

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

Well everyone who got here late is going to have a kick reading everything that was said on here today lol

Thunderbuzzy
Thunderbuzzy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @bmuelle2112 haha I took a break from TD for a few and come back and it looks like a 3rd grade fight breaking out at recess!

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @bmuelle2112 It's turning into youtube on here lately lol

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

 @blueRAP It's the price you pay for becoming a popular blog. Maybe one day livefyre will have an ignore feature and we can mitigate some of the drivel.

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct 

Because you called me a reverse troll and then wrote a scathing post today directed at me then played the "I didn't do anything, I'm so innocent" card.  Sorry

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @aise0603 lol, ur mad!

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct You are going to look even stupider when the Thunder win the series.  Your lack of basketball knowledge fully exposed.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @aise0603 y u mad tho?

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct lol, you are a fool, so I guess we are even.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @aise0603 lol ur mad

aise0603
aise0603 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  That would be so great.  Because Jax is a moron and it would be wonderful to block out his ignorant posts.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

SHUT. THE. F. UP.

 

Please.

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @Tronchaser lol, are you talking to me?  That's not going to happen, sorry.

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

When the Thunder win this series, I am going to laugh my a$$ off at all of the posers in this thread.  And that doesn't include the people who are at least man enough to put an official pick in the thread.  Own it, a hater is better than a poser.

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @aise0603 I'm still not really sure what you mean by poser..

 

Only once during these playoffs have I seen someone that would continually dog the Thunder on this board and was supposedly a Thunder fan.

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @blueRAP I mean someone who dogs the Thunder out in this series but refuses to pick the Spurs.  They are posing.

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @blueRAP I mean, I can't argue with you, you are 100% correct.  I was fighting about it until I started getting insulted by the usual suspects.

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @aise0603 Something like that will be hard to judge. A lot of people here like to share their analysis with what they think could or should be done to help win/improve the team. 

 

Sure, there might be some that will say "I knew the Spurs would win because.." just because they like to be "right," but unless they're spamming their pessimism, they should just be ignored. It's the internet, you're bound to see a few kids/immature folks here. 

 

But it's not that serious. It's still just a game, and something we all have very little control over. We're here for fun, not to make examples out of others.

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @blueRAP 

lol, no, that's not the definition.  Someone who honestly believes the Thunder are going to lose but won't go on record as predicting that.  That way they can go on with their hedge-betting pseudo-intellectual analysis after the game without addressing the fact that they are biased against the Thunder.

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @aise0603 So basically anyone who gets upset with something the Thunder do/does? Or doesn't like a certain player or coach?

 

You might want to find another board during the games if this upsets you.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

 @aise0603 who should have won mvp out of Dirk and KD

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @cemitten MVP of what, the Dallas series?

aise0603
aise0603 5pts

 @cemitten 

Out of those 2?  I would give it to Durant but if I could pick from the league, I think Prince James gets the nod.  Just one man's opinion.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

 @aise0603 just the season. 

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

OKC in 6 we got this

LPCes99
LPCes99 5pts

I see Spurs winning in 6, I hope I'm Wrong and we shock the world !

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