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Serge Ibaka a close second for Defensive Player of the Year

by Royce Young on May 2, 2012 at 2:33 pm 30 Comments

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By just a few votes, Serge Ibaka finished runner-up to Tyson Chandler for Defensive Player of the Year.

Chandler tallied 311 points to Ibaka’s 294. Players were awarded five points for each first-place vote, three points for each second-place vote and one point for each third-place vote received. Chandler had 45 first, 25 second and 11 third. Ibaka had 41 first, 24 second and 17 third.

Chandler completely reinvented the Knicks defensively turning them into a top five defensive team. Last season New York finished 22nd in defensive efficiency. This season, fifth.

The Knicks ranked among the top half of the league in several key defensive categories, including opponent turnovers per game (17.0, 2nd), opponent field goal percentage (.442, 10th), and opponent scoring (94.7 ppg, 11th). Opposing teams averaged 22.5 more points and shot .520 from the field when Chandler was not in the lineup. Opponents shot .438 with Chandler in the lineup. In addition, Chandler grabbed 22.1 percent of his team’s defensive rebounds when he was on the floor.

Ibaka was an incredible shot-blocker, registered 3.7 a game while having three games of 10 or more, the first player to do that since Shawn Bradley in the 1996-97 season. Ibaka actually finished just 19 blocks shy of the New Jersey Nets and had more than a hundred more than DeAndre Jordan, who finished second.

But Chandler was more of an overall defensive force. Ibaka played only 27.2 minutes a game as Thunder coach Scott Brooks often would favor Nick Collison or Kevin Durant at the power forward position late in games. Ibaka is only 22 and a growing defensive player. His time will obviously come. He’s an incredible defensive force, but not a complete defensive player.

I do think people undervalue blocked shots a bit though. I think it’s a worthy stat because for one, you’re obviously preventing a potential basket, but two, you become something opposing players think about as they’re attacking the rim. Ibaka bailed the Thunder’s defense out repeatedly by swatting shots in the paint. The Thunder weren’t a great defensive team, but Ibaka certainly often made them appear like one. Because of his presence inside, OKC was able to deny the ball more, apply more ball pressure and try and contest shooters.

KD said a couple weeks ago that he would pick Ibaka though.

“I think he is,” Durant said. “If you look at the guys that block shots, Dwight Howard, he got Defensive Player of the Year for blocking shots three years in a row. But some of that stuff is sometimes reputation and name. It’s sad to say those awards and stuff is like that but hopefully, I think he deserves it. How many shots he’s blocked and double-digit shot blocks he had in the season and how he changes every shot for us. If people really watch our games they’ll really know how much of a defensive force he is. But like I said that stuff goes down to popular names or stuff like that. But I hope he’s in the top two voted.”

That’s exactly where he was. Top two, which is quite the honor in of itself. Beating out some of the names Ibaka did, there’s a lot of pride to be taken in that.

Dwight Howard finished third with 186 points, LeBron James fourth with 112 points and Kevin Garnett fifth with 44 points. As there usually is, there were a few curious votes as Russell Westbrook somehow picked up a third place vote, Mike Conley got two third place votes, Greg Monroe one third place vote and Joakim Noah two second place votes.

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PofOcity
PofOcity 5pts

This was a gift to Chandler from last year just the same as when Malone won the MVP from Jordan in 97. And they still give out these awards to players whom arent deserving of that year. Lebron and Nash should only have one a piece! Who are these judges and do they even watch the games! But Lebron should win this year so two my fault. Someone call the cops its a 211 in progress in the OKC!

PofOcity
PofOcity 5pts

check the defensive player of the year award for the last 25 years and either the leader in blocks or steals have won the award. so why not Ibaka! Only players that didnt lead in those catergories Bruce bowen and rodman

Crow
Crow 5pts

I however think people often overvalue blocked shots and maybe by a lot. Yes there is the intimidation factor in addition to direct stops but there is also goaltends (including of some shot that weren't going down) and  there are also about half or more of the shots that go out of bounds and get returned to the offense and the shots that get directly recovered by the offense for standard 2nd tries or even heightened FG% putbacks and fouls and and1s. and there missed defensive rebounds from not blocking out your man. and there are fouls committed while trying to block the ball and those foul shots immediately or later when the bonus is reached. and there are more effective pumpfakes leading to better first shots that arent blocked.

 

If ibaka had a better defensive RAPM, as i've said before,  i would be willing to vote him high in this poll but his overall defensive impact is estimated to be only a modest, non-extra-ordinary positive.

 

very few if any of the voters used defensive RAPM in their consideration to any degree. i don't have a lot of deference or respect for the quality of the analysis of many of those voters.

HookemKD
HookemKD 5pts

 @Crow Ibaka blocks 1.4 shots for every foul he commits, which is absurd. I would also warrant that less than "about half" of his shots are going out of bounds or back to the offense. Even the shots that do go out of bounds is wasted shot clock time and can leave teams with a scramble attempt at getting a shot of. I'd bet that after a team has a shot blocked out of bounds their next inbound possession is less successful than on average.

Crow
Crow 5pts

chandler probably shouldnt have got it this year. he had a very strong defensive rapm last season but was estimated neutral this season. probably slipped. won it on last year's performance and recognition. typical but not the way it should be if this is supposed to be about this season's performance.

SB718
SB718 5pts

 @Crow He almost single handedly turned the Knicks into a top 5 defensive team.  I don't car what adjusted + / - says.

SB718
SB718 5pts

 @Crow *care

Crow
Crow 5pts

by defensive rapm the best estimated defensive impact for just this season was  by taj gibson. how many votes did he get? zero. homie voters don't know and don't care to know that, it may not be sufficient by itself but it is significant to consider IMO.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @Crow Gotcha, that makes sense. I didn't know if it did or not, but it does have an effect on how one views that sort of statistic.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @ou_sas a good scheme lifts most or all players on a team but some more than others based on the team results with them on the court versus teammates. part of a good player's defensive rapm score can be thought of as a reflection on the scheme and the coach. there are ways to try to separate them (looking at players under different coaches) but the results are not available for every player and they are fairly crude.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @Crow Does the Defensive RAPM adjust for good defensive schemes? In other words, does a Boston player, who plays in a very tight defense, get a boost in his RAPM because of the scheme?

Crow
Crow 5pts

gibson's rating might be exaggerated, it was a lot better than the previous year. time will tell more.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @Crow I don't know who the voters are, but I'd bet that only a handful are using anything more than the "eye test" and maybe blocks/steals/defensive rebounds. The only difference between this and the MVP vote is that Hollinger's PER is well known by the general media. Otherwise, people wouldn't look at advanced stats for that either.

MostJadedGamer
MostJadedGamer 5pts

Brooks simply doesn't give Ibaka enough minutes. Had Brooks given Ibaka 35 or 36 minutes instead of 27 then he certainly would have been the defensive player of the year.

 

Anyway here is how I would have voted.

 

#1. Lebron

#2. Ibaka

#3. Howard

#4. Chandler

#5. Tony Allen

PofOcity
PofOcity 5pts

 @MostJadedGamer Lebron gets loss when he plays against the top 10 scorers check the stats! Just cause he guards them the last two minutes of the game doesnt matter. And then if you watch the games he doesnt stop them. Hes only a good off the ball from behind shot blocker at times.

HookemKD
HookemKD 5pts

 @MostJadedGamer I would have to see LeBron cover Durant before I would consider him the DPOY. How could you say LeBron is even better in coverage than Shane Battier? Or Shawn Marion? Or Kawhi Leonard (who's a freaking rookie)? There are a lot of guys that give KD trouble, and until LeBron learns how to cover him like they do I don't think you can say he's the best defender in the game.

SB718
SB718 5pts

 @HookemKD Ummmm, he forced KD into 9 turnovers the last time they played.

HookemKD
HookemKD 5pts

 @SB718 No he didn't Battier was covering him the entire game, did you even watch?

loplopol
loplopol 5pts

 @MostJadedGamer gotta admit though, for his somewhat limited playing time, Ibaka can put up some big numbers..

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

I have to give Ibaka credit for his blocked shots. As far as timing and instinct go, he's as good as I've seen. 

 

But I have to knock him for his poor man defense, poor PnR defense, constant biting on pump fakes and the fact that he is not often the primary defender on any post scoring threat. You don't throw Ibaka at Dirk or Milsap with the same faith that you'd throw Thabo at Wade or Tony Allen at KD. And the PnR defense is a big one - that's the play you have to stop. The PnR is the bread and butter for most NBA teams. You see it more than any other play by a wide margin.

 

However, I do have to say that you know a great defender when the offense has to game plan for him, and teams do have to consider Ibaka when forming a game plan. That is being an effective defender. Ibaka is at that level.

 

He's got the speed - just let him develop a little foot-quickness and lateral movement and let him get a little smarter and I think you could see a player in the future who could win the DPOY award.

JeremyBrewer
JeremyBrewer 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct I'll bet Chandler played more years of ball before the nab then Serge has played all together.

JeremyBrewer
JeremyBrewer 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct make that NBA

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct Cosign. All you have to do is look at game 3 of the Lakers series a couple of years ago to realize that teams are afraid of him.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

The one thing I'll say about Ibaka's blocked shots that gets lost in mere stats is how often he blocks it into play, keying the fast break, rather than out of bounds. Huge difference, yet impossible to pick up if you don't watch the Thunder play regularly.

sammasaaron
sammasaaron 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ou_sas Maybe the Thunder's fancy camera system can start to log these?

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @sammasaaron It'll go into all of those other fancy stats that the sabermetric guys probably track, like hockey assists, and whatever.

PofOcity
PofOcity 5pts

 @loplopol point blank and period Ibaka got ROBBED! Howard won the award 3 years runnig for blocked shots and intimation factor and thats just what Ibaka brings. I watch 90% of all basketball games thanks to the league pass and NOONE changed the game on the defensive end as he did this year when he was on the floor. He didnt have to block the shot to make even yes KOBE LEBRON or whoever change their shot when they came to the lane. A pure ROBBERY call the police!

loplopol
loplopol 5pts

 @ou_sas BLFB would essentially be a block + steal then.

cool

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @sammasaaron With a fancy name like BLFB. Blocks that Lead to a Fast Break.

 

Sample game:

Ibaka 15 points, 1 assist, 9 rebounds (2 offensive), 4 blocks (3 BLFB), 0 steals, 2 fouls, 1 turnover.

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