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Friday Bolts – 6.8.12

by Royce Young on June 8, 2012 at 10:00 am 222 Comments

Harvey Araton of the NY Times: “While Oklahoma City has no courtside celebrity conga line seats, Durant is not Tim Duncan and the Thunder are far from the second coming of the Spurs. Here there is enough star power to challenge the notion that supreme N.B.A. talent must invariably migrate to the vacationland hot spots like South Beach. Durant and Westbrook didn’t need to. They signed long-term deals, forgoing their first crack at free agency and establishing the Thunder as the anti-Heat for the foreseeable future.”

Bill Simmons looking back on the series: “Who could have guessed that Oklahoma City would morph into the ’91 Bulls, that Tony Parker would suddenly and inexplicably stop playing like one of the league’s best five players, that San Antonio’s role players would roll over, that every OKC player would make just about every big shot at every crucial point, that Ibaka and Perkins would make 18 of 20 shots in a remarkable Game 4, that Westbrook would find the right calibration (most of the time) between “reckless” and “breathtaking,” that TNT’s critical Game 2 commentary would motivate Perkins like it did, that Fisher would climb out of his NBA coffin and submit a couple of old-school monster Fish plays (Lakers fans are shaking their heads in disbelief right now), that Scott Brooks would swing the series with some killer adjustments and OUTCOACH Gregg Popovich, that Oklahoma City’s crowd would show Miami what it’s actually like to “fan up,” that everyone who grabbed OKC +500 after Game 2 would feel like a gambling savant, that the league would assign the Hebner Twins (a.k.a. Joey Crawford and Bill Kennedy) to Game 6, and most of all, that Durant would go Young MJ on us and simply refuse to allow the Spurs to advance, no matter how good they were?”

Mark Titus of Grantland tries to find Derek Fisher’s worth: “How much Derek Fisher is directly responsible for the success of his teams over the years is debatable, but the bottom line is that there hasn’t been anyone quite like him in NBA history. (Although, I can’t help but think that had Avery Johnson been 10 years younger, he would’ve played the Fisher role for the Spurs dynasty.)”

Bethlehem Shoals for GQ: “The Thunder are all grown up, even if they remain unorthodox and confounding in some ways. They have arrived and we believe it, though maybe also we all want it. With all due respect to the teams coming out of the East, OKC have proven themselves; they’ve played basketball that kept us enthralled while brimming with emotion. I couldn’t tell you what makes for a winner or the heart of a champion, but I can feel it on a gut level. The Thunder renew my faith in the universe.”

Gregg Doyel of CBSSports.com on OKC’s atmosphere: “If the Thunder have four games at home, the Thunder will win the NBA Finals. Can’t see them losing here, maybe because I never have seen them lose here, and I’ve been here a bunch of times. If I’ve ever seen the Thunder lose at home, it’s been washed from my memory, perhaps by all the noise, noise, noise from the past week when they were spanking the Spurs in the Western Conference finals.”

Aubrey McClendon has used his stake in the Thunder as collateral.

Sebastian Pruiti of Grantland breaking down the pindown play: “This play is so effective because there are many possible outcomes, as we’ve now seen. As San Antonio altered their defense to stop it, other options opened up. The Thunder are able to read the defense and react accordingly, which makes them even scarier as they prepare for the NBA Finals.”

The Thunder’s hat game was strong after Game 6. I thought it was awesome that Lazar Hayward wears a hat just like his headband. Absolutely straightforward.

John Hollinger of ESPN.com on OKC’s future: “As a result, the Thunder are facing the first of several hard choices once Harden and Ibaka are extension-eligible this summer. They have this year and next with this group no matter what, but after that questions abound. Yet that’s the point at which they’ve arrived. We’re no longer talking about them as a future dynasty, but as a present one, and their biggest worry now is merely how to maintain it in the face of persistent salary-cap pressure. Fourteen other teams in the Western Conference could only dream of such problems.”

Can the Thunder win a title as a jumpshooting team? That is a really stupid question.

Jay Caspian Kang of Grantland: “Sometime very soon, maybe only two weeks from today, Kevin Durant will leap the leap of the leap. All this, of course, is illusory movement — the creation of writers, bloggers, and fans who feel the need to fabricate new expectations and cast Durant into the NBA’s ongoing Oedipal narrative. His play throughout the Thunder’s postseason surge has been so consistently great that it has started to seem preordained. As such, to stave off boredom — and not heavy, lonely boredom, but rather the anxious, light boredom that makes us want to pin meaning onto patterns — we have laid down new obstacles for Durant to hurdle. But is there any better way to describe greatness in the NBA than that?”

Mike Lopresti of USA Today: “To be sure, this is still a college football state. When discussing the NBA Finals, Fallin predicted, “We’re going to take it all the way to the end, and be the national champions.” It made you want to check where the Thunder are in this week’s BCS standings. But pro basketball owns the hearts and minds of Oklahoma at the moment. The people haven’t been this happy since the last time the Sooners beat Texas.”

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ThunderTheFUp
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@JMattHicks I must say the Spurs fans i've talked with are amoung the leagues classiest fans out threre. This was deffinently a classis well respected series. Cant say enough how classy Spurs players, coaches and fans are. A breath of fresh air after beating Lakers and their Thug fans. Kuddos Mr Hicks and we'll see you next year i assume in the playoffs!

[coke head]
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Spurs will tank for a year and get another super star big man to follow in the footsteps of Robinson and Duncan.

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ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @JMattHicks  @justin_mia There's no shame in that, he's given San Antonio an amazing run, and practically resurrected himself to early 2000s form. A real class act. It's always tough to finally go through retirement with someone who meant so much to a franchise, but even after he's gone, he'll probably end up in the front office, or somehow affiliated. He may retire, but I can see San Antonio keeping him on for a long time after that.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @JMattHicks Take solace in the fact that organizations that are run as well as the Spurs are never really out of the running. "Beyond  the Duncan era" means years of mediocrity for most franchises, but not yours.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @JMattHicks Thanks for taking the time to come back to DT. I think consensus around the board was that this Western Conference Finals was going to be the hardest series we'd face all playoffs. It really was a classic, and it means far more to most of us to be able to beat the Spurs, I think, than to beat any Eastern Conference team. The Spurs have been a top team all year long, and most of us on the boards were looking apprehensively at this series before hand.

 

Good luck reloading and regrouping over the summer, let's do this again next playoffs!

As Promised
As Promised 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @JMattHicks I show no disrespect to teams and fans that don't deserve it.  The Spurs are an awesome team, and I I respect the hell out of you guys and that team

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

Is everybody missing the Show 50 More button at the bottom of the threads?  If not, any idea how to get it back?

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 livefyre is such a love/hate thing with us, isn't it?

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @ThunderChick2010 I have that happen sometimes. Usually it's on a slow computer, and I just refresh like crazy. 

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nr9CoGCwqU

 

Its happening guys. It's really happening. Thankfully I'm prepared!!!

loplopol
loplopol 5pts

 @ElMexiThunder Go Celtics. amirite?

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ElMexiThunder always double tap

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @anonymous12345  

check the back seat,

stay limber,

enjoy the little things...

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Barry Amenema  And it wouldn't hurt if you take Woody Harrelson along with you everywhere you go.

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Pop's exit interview. More compliments for OKC. Class act. http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/120607_pop

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

Tonight would have been game 7...

 

lolz.

Aren't
Aren't 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @DustinMcWilliams "Would"....my heart is so thankful!

 

 

[coke head]
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In two seasons could Durant move to PF?  He played nearly a quarter of his minutes there this season. Every lineup with KD in at PF is wildly successful in the playoffs except one (Fisher-Cook-Harden-Durant-Collison).  Three of our five most used lineups in the playoffs have Durant at PF.  Moving Durant to PF eventually makes it easier to resolve our contract situations since a starting SF is easier to find and Ibaka (or Perkins) is easier to lose.   Every year I think his game progresses a tiny bit towards a move to PF like Garnett did.  

As Promised
As Promised 5pts

 @justin_mia I believe that Greg Monroe would be a great (upgraded) replacement for Perkins and Ibaka if they decide to move or traded away.  KD would be able to roam the paint, not as effective as Ibaka but still be a great help defender.  Greg Monroe would help create double teams with his post-scoring and would go great with Durant's stretch-4 ability if he were in as a PF in line-ups.  That's just my dream though... o well

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @thelaughingwiseman  @justin_mia No offense, but why would Detroit ever trade their, by far, best player while still on his rookie contract? Unless we were sending back Russ or Harden, they would hang up the phone. And Russ/Harden are better players than Monroe.

Treviedo
Treviedo 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @justin_mia  Never liked Monroe. He is a tweener IMO. Say what you will about Ibaka, we but don't win any series this year without his shot-blocking. Not one. Presti knows this.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @Keith00  @thelaughingwiseman Detriot would never trade Monroe for Ibaka - but there was debate before his draft that we should move up to draft Monroe.

As Promised
As Promised 5pts

 @Keith00  @justin_mia ha, then hopefully we can get him in free agency lol  highly doubt it though.  It's just a dream that we get him some how.  That would make the Thunder complete in my opinion+

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @thelaughingwiseman  @justin_mia Detroit doesn't have the cap space to take on Ibaka and Perkins for Monroe, we would have to take one of their bad bloated contracts as well, which Presti wouldn't do. Moreover, they value Monroe more than Ibaka (with Perkins ultimately not holding a lot of individual value).

 

I live in Michigan, have all my life. I'm telling you fans would be calling for Dumars' head and boycotting games if they made that trade. They love Monroe, call him "Moose," and are all completely sure he's going to be the next great big man.

Dw7
Dw7 5pts

 @thelaughingwiseman  @Keith00  @justin_mia I think it would be crazy seeing Durant try to guard the Loves and Randolphs of the NBA.  It would also be crazy trying to see those guys guard him.

As Promised
As Promised 5pts

 @Keith00  @justin_mia Ibaka and Perkins.  Basically our front court of defensive power for their one Greg Monroe.  And Ibaka is 22 as well, with the ability to score 15.  These would be great building blocks so Detroit would get offensive pieces in the Draft.  We still retain Aldrich, Collison and Thibor will come into the system to fill a roster spot too.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

There were discussions in Monroe's draft about trading up to get him using Ibaka and many resisted.  Water under the bridge now but that would have been something.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

 @justin_mia Don't you think he'd have to bulk up a bit for that though?  I think about big teams like the Lakers with 2 7 footers on the court.  I know he could hang with Gasol, but...... I dunno. Seems like a streeeeeetttttccccchhhh to me.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @Tronchaser Durant gets better on the defensive boards every year and he's actually rated as a fairly decent post defender by Synergy.  His only issue would be carving out space to defend post players or boxing out (which he sucks at).  But it's not like Ibaka is a world beater at those things either.  Durant actually lead the team in defensive rebounding % this season, beating both Ibaka and Perkins.

 

vincefee
vincefee 5pts

 @justin_mia

 Serge had  alot less minutes played per game .  Within the next  two years will be averaging double degits in points and rebounds

Keith00
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 @justin_mia  @Tronchaser I would keep Durant at SF, but continue using him as a swing forward. KD has natural advantages wherever he plays, but those could be mitigated by fatigue. With defense really being the more fatiguing side of the court, that could definitely come into play down the line.

 

I think the other main factor I see is that KD at PF is not generally the only change in small lineups. Going small also puts Russ-Harden-KD on the floor together, which should be able to score regardless of other personnel.

 

Defensively, the team as a whole still needs work. KD at the 4 tends to hurt our defense noticeably. I just think there are better options than wearing down our best player. For example, finding another cheap defensive C, but one that doesn't turn the ball over/brick shots almost every time he touches it. If it's just about offense, we could probably make equal gains in other ways.

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Tronchaser @justin_mia But KD is quicker than a fire extinguisher.

As Promised
As Promised 5pts

 @Tronchaser  @justin_mia The move would really help out offensively.  I also do see KD needing to bulk up, but that happens over everyone's careers though.  It's going to happen regardless, so it can mean that KD will progressively start seeing a lot more time as a PF as he keeps aging.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

 @justin_mia I just don't want to see him get mauled by people like Amare etc etc.

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

see Poland gets to have big watch parties for their games...why not us :(

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @bmuelle21 because they will kill you if you cancel theirs. no word of a lie

endercpl
endercpl 5pts

 @bmuelle21 everytime we have a watch party, the thunder lose

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

We not talkin 'bout a game, we're goin' to the Finals, and y'all talkin' 'bout practice (soccer)?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI

MD4Okc
MD4Okc 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tronchaser This NEVER gets old!

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tronchaser 

 

I love Allen, but i feel like he was high as hell when he did this press. 

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

 @ElMexiThunder This would not surprise me at all.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Tronchaser

What are we talkin' about?  We not even talkin' about the game, the actual game, when it matters . . .    :)

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

 @Tronchaser 

 

We gotta talk about something till Tuesday. 

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

So, I discovered today that my Great Grandfather from my mother's side is from Germany and was a Sergeant in WW1 for the German armt.

 

I discovered my Grandmother from my dads side is from Sevilla, Espana.  and my dads father is half spaniard and his family are from Las Palmas, Espana

 

So.. Does that make me white??

 

Serious question. 

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts

 @ElMexiThunderGuten Tag, ElMexi!  Wie gehts?  Spielst du Korbball gern?

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ElMexiThunder I'm gonna say no.  But aren't we all mutts when it gets right down to it?

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Tronchaser 

 

So im a mutt? LOL!!!

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @ElMexiThunder Haha who knows how far back everything goes?

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

 @DustinMcWilliams 

 

Apparently I'm German, and Spanish too. We might be like long distant cousins man!!

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @ElMexiThunder Choctaw, Irish, and German here.

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DustinMcWilliams 

 

I'm Mexican, Naturalized American

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @ElMexiThunder Being a mutt ain't all bad. Most Americans will be mutts in the next century or so.

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

 @Tronchaser 

 

Terrible. No calls back. Only been a day but still. 

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ElMexiThunder ...and how goes the job search?

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ElMexiThunder Maybe we're related? :)

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

 @Tronchaser 

 

Wow, Does that mean i have a family crest somewhere in Europe? I wonder who my distant cousins are. A whole new world just opened up in my eyes. 

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ElMexiThunder Sorry Mexi, you're a mutt, and I'm a mutt. :)

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