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Video: The 16

by Royce Young on June 3, 2012 at 11:08 am 574 Comments

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FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

To These people that act like the notion of rigged NBA games is completely unbelievable:

1) Tim Donaghy was reffing games as recently as 2007.  2007!!

2) Tim Donaghy attended the same high school as Joe Crawford, Mike Callahan and Ed Malloy

3) Using binomial distribution, given the record of the Thunder in postseason games over the last two years, there is a 98.5% chance that Joe Crawford is negatively influencing the outcome of Thunder games.

 

Those are all facts.

Thunderbuzzy
Thunderbuzzy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FF_pickups Well as the officiating conversation roles on...all I can say is that the Thunder/Spurs games 3 and 4 were called very fairly. I don't think either team really got preferential treatment.

 

Sad thing is the NBA and it's officiating crews have lost credibility. And there isn't really a good way for them to get it back I don't think. There will always be bad calls here and there and people will immediately play the "rigged" card when it happens. Whether the games are rigged or not I don't know for sure. But the NBA needs to find a way to regain some credibility.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Thunderbuzzy 

I'm not saying that the games are or are not rigged.  I am saying that it's a fair conversation.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @FF_pickups Has the NBA changed anything about it's referee training or discipline since Donaghy? I certainly haven't heard anything, and they still have people too old to see or get in position to see most fouls. I don't understand why that isn't a bigger deal.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @FF_pickups

 Why do you watch then if you already believe the winner is rigged?  It seems to me all your data does is confirm what we already know, Joey Crawford is a bad referee.

osanowhoa
osanowhoa 5pts

 @FF_pickups A ref could be calling the game in a consistent way that also negatively impacts the Thunder without it meaning that the game was rigged against us. Hell, we should wish that games were rigged as I'm pretty sure the NBA would love to see us in the finals.

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @osanowhoa  So you wouldn't mind seeing the Thunder get to the Finals through rigging?

 

That's not basketball. There's no pride in "winning" that way at all.

osanowhoa
osanowhoa 5pts

 @blueRAP Well no, that's not actually something I would want. I was more trying to make the point that it doesn't make much sense to suggest the NBA has an agenda to rig the game for San Antonio against OKC.

areayewhy
areayewhy 5pts

 @FF_pickups if you're using statistics to analyze the playoffs, there's probably a problem with sample size that could be skewing the data.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @areayewhy I'll try to help you understand what the binomial distribution is.  It's a way analyzing the probability of a dataset given the underlying probability of an outcome and sample size.  i.e. it takes sample size into context when it calculates it.

qrex
qrex 5pts

 @FF_pickups Does this establish coorelation or causation?

areayewhy
areayewhy 5pts

 @FF_pickups i was just thinking that a larger sample size would reduce the margin of error within an analysis. I don't know much about statistics minus a couple classes I've taken.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

Good grief rondo what amazing passes.

We need to put Russ in a room and have him watch rondo video for hours.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

I guess KD and Harden should watch too.

MrRaysian
MrRaysian 5pts

so the mock draft for Scott Howard-Cooper has Jeffery Taylor at 20, Royce White at 21 and Draymond Green at 27. But then again, he has us taking Marquis Teague... 

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

He dribbles away from the primary action on the play. He didn't want to pass it. He sabotaged Spo there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkXBnul9KN0

MrRaysian
MrRaysian 5pts

 @Jooseppi but it did turn out to be an open look for wade. so all in all it wasn't bad. just didn't make it and for some reason faded like crazy when daniels already gave up

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @MrRaysian He's a 29 percent 3-point shooter. He faded. he was twisting. While technically open it was a horrible shot and horrible decision on a play they absolutely executed to perfection other than Wade.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @MrRaysian Even if he doesn't fade he's not making it. That's not his range.

TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard
TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard 5pts

lmao on RealGM Miami fans saying series is rigged to extend and that the officiating in this game was "WCF 2002 Game 6-lite". I understand fans aren't objective sometimes, but that's pretty heinous considering that they are by far the most coddled team by the officials in the NBA, and STILL got plenty calls their way tonight

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @JimboSlice

 Seriously though, this 'the league is rigged' BS needs to go away.  It is not rigged, stop trying to make yourself feel better about your team losing.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @anonymous12345  @JimboSlice 

I thought the Heat got way more calls than the Celtics.  And Joey Crawford was in the house last night so I think it's open game on NBA rigged conversation.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @anonymous12345  @JimboSlice 

I did a regression analysis and the Heat were by far the biggest positve outlier in terms of regular season to post season free throw attempt improvements.  The Nuggets had the biggest negative effect with the Thunder a close second.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @JimboSlice

 They get more calls because they're the more aggressive team.  Bad calls do happen and super stars do get favored by refs.  But thats different from saying something is rigged. 

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @JimboSlice  celtics free throws :  14-20  . heats :  17-24 .   man SOOOOOOOOo rigged.  how about making your damn free throws.  hell lebron for being such an MVP  missed 4 of his so. yeah. excuses excuses 

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @JimboSlice The next time they call a travel on Wade it will be the first time.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @Jooseppi  @JimboSlice Maybe they should get called on the foul when Rondo is going for the layup and gets smacked in the head.  Oh, don't wanna call those fouls.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 RT: @tomhaberstroh: Wade (a 29% 3-pt shooter) called the final attempt a "50/50 shot." I guess "29/71 shot" doesn't have the same ring to it

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Jooseppi 

He's not wide open on all 100% of his 3 pt attempts.  What's Wade's 3pt % on WIDE OPEN uncontested 3's?

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @FF_pickups Any advantage he had of it being technically open was killed with a stupid twisting fadeaway. What's his percentage on stupid twisting fadeaway threes? I imagine it's worse than 29 percent.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @Jooseppi

 Wades 3 was not a wide open 3 though.  He had to pump fake it and then rush it to beat the buzzer.  It was a good look, but far from wide open.

Thunderbuzzy
Thunderbuzzy 5pts

 @anonymous12345  @FF_pickups  @Jooseppi Can't believe Wade didn't initiate contact on the shot. He had the guy up in the air.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @Jooseppi

 Like I said, he used the pump fake to get a shot off.  Your picture doesn't really show that.  By your definition every shot every is a wide open shot.  To me a wide open shot would be similar to the 3 that Lebron made to send it to OT. 

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @anonymous12345  @Jooseppi 

Here's a picture of it:

 

http://bit.ly/Nc1jqB

 

Wide open is the term that comes to mind.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @anonymous12345  @Jooseppi 

It was wide open.

TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard
TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

"Nuggets targetting Royce White at 20th pick"

 

Dangit. First Faried, now White. They take all my guys

thunder fan in korea
thunder fan in korea 5pts

 @JimboSlice need to go euro stash

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

Unless Bosh is back 100 percent, OKC or SA is going to spank MIA or BOS from every angle.

TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard
TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi OKC in 5 pending officiating if playing MIA

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @JimboSlice  @Jooseppi 

I think that SA is going to have trouble with the Heat regardless.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @Jooseppi Even if he is back, we have defenders to blanket him.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

STATS OF THE NIGHT

Lebron/Wade 19 of 47

Lebron 7 TOs and fouled out.

Boston scored only 28 points the second half after scoring 61 in the first half.

The two teams scored 6 in OT.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Chalmers the goat.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

"Usually that's a shot he makes."

"Couldn't ask for a better look."

No and no.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1084733/wademiss2.gif lol at him fading away

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @Lost Ones WHY did he fade? Geez

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @ThunderWins  @Lost Ones Because the only way to win a game is a fading, twisting three.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @Jooseppi  @Lost Ones No wonder he has such a bad average, he should just square up and try to put it down.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

The more I watch it the more I think Wade sabotaged that play so he could hero ball.

MrRaysian
MrRaysian 5pts

I'm going to bring the topic onto the video above. I think Royce analysed one of the newer crunch time play for KD and it obviously works really effectively. Now, what is the counter to this move?

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @MrRaysian The counter is not letting him get beneath the elbow. If you do, you've lost.

MrRaysian
MrRaysian 5pts

 @Jooseppi well ThunderWins really hit it on the head. just not allow him to get the ball. so how can OKC counter their counter? unpredicted cut from russ and oop from Harden?

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @MrRaysian The counter is doing stuff with Russ as the screener. That's why he's there. Makes it harder to double. If they do you pop him in the ball under the basket.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @Jooseppi  @MrRaysian Thats such a fun play because you can use it to open up other stuff.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

This could turn into a real offense if you keep adding wrinkles and if you involve all 5 players tough to stop.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @ThunderWins  @MrRaysian Russ cutting, some stuff on the side with Harden and a big. It's a fun, simple little set.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @MrRaysian You have to double and force the ball out of his hands.  Or push him out of the spot (aka Marion)

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