Gregg Doyel of CBSSports.com tries to figure out the LeBron or Durant debate: “Afraid to go to the line? Durant wants to be on that line, he needs to be on that line. His belief in his shot is total, and with good reason, which is why you’d be hard-pressed to do better than Kevin Durant if you were starting an NBA team today and could pick any player in the world to build around. LeBron looks better, runs faster, jumps higher, fills the stat box with a few more numbers than Durant. But with 10 seconds left in a close game, Durant’s the guy you want shooting the ball. So forget what I said last week. Forget even what I wrote earlier in this story. Give me the power to start an NBA team from scratch? Give me Kevin Durant with my first pick. I’d like to have LeBron, sure. I’d like to have the most talented all-around player in the game. But I’d rather win.”
Carles of Grantland: “Oklahoma City is hoping to ride the Thunder into a new decade of prosperity and development. The city seems destined to be overpopulated with ‘trying too hard to look urban’ new developments surrounding their downtown, just like in Austin, Texas. The personal culture is a more tolerable version of Dallas. It will be interesting to look at the city when Kevin Durant retires and there’s a pretty definitive model on the impact of a Hall of Fame player on the economic development of a ‘small market’ city.”
Barry Petchesky of Deadpsin makes my favorite counter to the anti-Hero Ball argument: “One more point: the iso play exists not only to pre-select the shooter, but the timing of the shot. On the last possession, the play is drawn up to take the shot at the buzzer, so the other team has no time to counter with a possession of their own. That’s easy to do when you give the ball to your playmaker, and let him spot up with a single man in his face. Not so easy to do when you try to make that extra pass.”
Ben Detrick of Grantland wonders if the 76ers are the next Thunder: “Superficially, the Sixers’ current trajectory resembles the ascension of the Thunder. From 2008 to 2011, Oklahoma City’s wins rose from 23 to 50 to 55. Both teams made significant leaps from the primordial muck and then gradually developed four-chambered hearts and tufty mammalian pelts. The Thunder are now bipedal, Urkel-spectacles-wearing, fully formed contenders. Philly is sort of like a giant prehistoric meerkat, awaiting opposable thumbs. The deflating reality is that the Sixers are nothing like the Thunder. Win or lose, Oklahoma City squints into a future brightened by a core of young stars. Philly has no such promise. And for a young team ostensibly on the upswing, the Sixers are surprisingly entering an offseason where everything is in flux.”
Rob Mahoney of the NY Times: “In that light, Durant has not grown into his current role, but developed on his own course with a meticulously tailored expectation following behind. Brooks’s laissez-faire system has allowed each Thunder player to mature into a more complete version of his basketball self, and while Westbrook settled into balance, Ibaka refined raw ability into genuine skill, and Harden learned to master the creator/complement interchange, Durant has harnessed his most attractive abilities as a defender without bearing the weight of systemic pressure. It’s those aforementioned stars who allow Durant to function as a highly efficient machine, but it’s Brooks’s comfortable, accommodating standard — and the resulting use of defenders like Sefolosha — that have brought a blindingly talented star closer than ever to his natural peak.”
Zach Lowe of SI.com: “Westbrook has transformed his mid-range jumper from a liability into a strength, and he has improved as a passer. His assist numbers dropped this season because he increasingly shares ball-handling duties with Durant and Harden, but he has widened the range of passes he can work. Monday night alone, he tossed four or five I’m not sure he could have made last season — two cross-court skip passes to Daequan Cook out of the pick-and-roll, a nearly blind pitch-back to Durant for an open three-pointer and a gorgeous drop pass to Nick Collison out of a pick-and-roll, a play on which Westbrook froze the lurking help defender (Stephen Jackson) by yo-yo-ing his dribble in the lane and looking briefly at Jackson’s man (Harden, on the wing) before the dish. On one of those Cook passes, Westbrook saw Parker deciding whether he should leave Cook to help on Westbrook in the lane, and he took one extra hesitation dribble into the paint, forcing Parker to commit. This was “pure” point-guard play amid some classic Westbrook madness, and it was not possible last season.”
Will Leitch of New York Magazine: “Oklahoma City certainly has stars of its own — honestly, we’ll take their big three of Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden over anybody else’s in the NBA — but you still can’t help but think the Spurs are blowing this more than the Thunder are taking it; the normally reliable Spurs have turned shockingly turnover-prone in the last three games, especially last night.”
Andrew Sharp of SB Nation: “As OKC exploded onto the scene, it’s come with equal parts beauty and terror. Beauty because they make basketball breathtaking when it all comes together. Terror because they’re still nowhere near perfect — from Russell Westbrook to Kevin Durant to Scott Brooks — but they just keep winning in the meantime. It’s kinda impossible not to get caught up in the joy of it all. The Thunder aren’t the Spurs. They may be every bit as unstoppable, but they’re nowhere near as precise and that’s part of the charm. Every Thunder game is a new adventure with different heroes doing ridiculous things, and we’re along for the ride.”




Is it storming pretty good down in the city? Been overcast and raining out here in NW Oklahoma all day. Maybe it's a sign.
@Thunderbuzzy It is.
http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/06/notes-from-shootaround-breathe-breathe-breathe-breathe/
carry on
Anyone know a good place in DFW to watch the game tonight?
@treytech Go the extra mile and hop on down to San Antonio and wear a Thunder jersey in the bar lmao get them ALL worked up! Just don't get beaten or anything!
Signing off again... for real this time...
awe who am I kidding... I'll be back... just got errands to run!
@ThunderBelize Hurry back. There is more Thunder basketball to be talked about!!
Game 2 of the BBL Finals: Brose had trouble with Ulm early but did their thing from the second quarter on. In the end it was an easy 16 point win to put them up 2-0 in a best of five series.
Pleiss did not play well. His shots weren't falling and his rebounding lacked effort. He finished with 8 points on 3-7 FGs and 2-2 FTs.
The good thing: His man, MVP John Bryant, was awful on offense. He shot 3-11 from the field but grabbed 14 boards. (He had a +/- of -21 though.)
There were a ton of rushed possessions on both ends and the big men had problems with that pace.
On Monday there was a report with Pleiss saying that he was in OKC (I assume during the lockout) to work our with trainers and position coaches. They also send him game tapes "to get to know the Thunder style of play" and he checks Thunder website every day. (No info about checking DT...)
I'm now about 75% sure that he's heading to the States. If I'm right, the announcement about his future could be made as early as Sunday. (My guess for a contract is 3yrs, 8-11 million)
@f5alcon: The thing with the D-League contract won't work because these guys get about $50,000 a year, Pleiss could make a million in Europe. Unless they are desperate, European prospects don't sign up for the D-League. I think Ilyasova was the only one to ever do it since draft-and-stash became a popular model.
@diddoff what are contracts in BBL though, i doubt they make a lot.
@f5alcon They don't release contract numbers but there are rumors that the top guys hit $650k this season
I always thought it was funny, that Harden's step back 3 was actually a move Manu use to do alot when he first came into the league. When he was much quicker. It's just amazing to know how similar they are to each other.
@ElMexiThunder And just think Harden is more athletic than Ginobili. He could be better than Ginobili, might already be.
@Thunderbuzzy @ElMexiThunder I'd still give Ginolbili the edge in getting to the basket and drawing fouls at this point. He has an unorthodox style, seems to draw so many fouls. But then again it could be his expertise in flopping.
Well I am all set for tonight folks! Brought my other TV in the living room with my main TV and will have it muted and watching the OU softball team try and win a title on it while watching my Thunder poor it on the Spurs tonight!!!!! So excited. Wish I was going to the game though. I want a good excuse to scream like a raving lunatic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Qb-y477fM
@Mattlehvine oh hells yeah!!!
@Mattlehvine Bayless: "He doesn't have the skill or the will to be a point guard." Kobe: "He's a bad little dude. A very, very bad little dude." Call me crazy, but Kobe's credibility and rings end this stupid debate.
@OBoyzOld Man @Mattlehvine skip is just an idiot he doesn't watch the games clearly.I think kobe knows a little more than him.
@Mattlehvine @OBoyzOld Man Skip Bayless is like Jim Traber or Mark May. They get paid to take the other side of the argument and try and make sense out of it. It creates more ratings and gives them something to talk about. Deep down I think Skip knows Westbrook is great. But he isn't going to say that because he has millions of people tuning in every day just to hear what asinine comment he is going to make.next.
@Mattlehvine Well thanks a lot for insuring my afternoon is 100% unproductive at work because this is all I'll be watchinbg over and over. Great work!
Tonight is going to be a white out and i just saw a picture of the NBA during a practice run of the trophy presentation tonight if thunder wins
@tydude I hope they have a practice run for the paramedics team, because there will be a lot of heart attacks if this game is close...
@tydude Do the shirts say "We are the 6%"?
@Barry Amenema i didn't see the clue up of the shirts but there are white shirts on the seats
AAARRRRGGHHH!! I couldn't stay away!!!
@ThunderBelize Welcome back - screw the palm trees and beach. The Governor might as well declare a State of Distraction in Oklahoma - no one is really working, just waiting for tip-off.
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/179099_10150893139057993_121268091_n.jpg
Don't know if this link will work, but somebody put a beard on a building!
@Tronchaser Where is that?!
@dollarbillrussell @Tronchaser North Western between NW36 and NW 50th on east side of the street
@OBoyzOld Man @dollarbillrussell @Tronchaser That is just awesome!
@dollarbillrussell North Western and something.. I bet I could figure it out if I try hard enough.
@dollarbillrussell BDO Design and Build 4410 North Western Avenue, Oklahoma City, OK
Siri is pretty awesome. Via ThunderBDsays: https://p.twimg.com/Auuvv1CCQAAKS_N.jpg
@diddoff arn't we undefeated at home when we have storms?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IB_44wafX4&list=UUPXdabE_lEfuLNG-uSBDm1w&index=2&feature=plcp
The Beard is BIG.
@Buster Money One of the comments for this video said that he threw up the "neighborhood bloods" sign (before the 3ball I'm guessing)
I don't know enough about it to even know that... anyone else have an insight?
@Tronchaser @Buster Money Definitely not a gang sign. People are reaching.
I think Royce pasted in the wrong link by accident for the Game 5 phantom highlights....Anywho, here it is again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pj2-7r2TjZ8
@Barry Amenema did we really need tim duncan in extra slow motion
@OBoymuzik @Barry Amenema That was actually real time.
@OBoymuzik @Barry Amenema I liked the RW battle cry right in front of Stephen Jackson after the alley oop.
I blame Joey Crawford.
Joey Crawford and previous Thunder playoff games.
Game 3 LAL 2012 - FTA = 28 Thunder / 42 Lakers = Lakers win.
Game 1 WCF 2011 = Dirk's famous 24 FTA, = Mavs win.
@Skyline Both on road
@ThunderStruck2412 Good point. And to be fair KD had 19 FTA in that Dallas game where Dirk had 24.
So I guess the point is to expect lots of whistles tonight and hope that it goes to our favor.
@treytech A reputation is a lot harder to shed than it is to gain...
@Skyline @ThunderStruck2412 No matter what Crawford does tonight, it will be magnified x100 and probably mold OKC's opinion of him for a long time to come. If we lose, you can bet his name will live in infamy around here. If we win, maybe people will start to not immediately associate his name with a a sense of dread that rivals a tornado siren waking you up at 3am.
@ThunderStruck2412 @Skyline At home?
Here's something that bugs me about the whole "can't keep Ibaka and Harden" thing. Income from playoff games ranges from as low as 500k to 2.5 mil. Seeing that we sell out every game, I'd definitely estimate closer to the 2.5 mil than 500k.
The repeat offender tax is 2.5 dollars for every dollar over the tax threshold, which is 70 mil correct?
So, if we make the finals this year with the core of four, it would stand to reason they made us at the worst, 5 million more than if we didn't have all four.
So, if the assumption is that this core is surefire championship material, even in the event of a sweep either way, not including all the extra income perks of a championship, you could afford to go 2 mil over the luxury tax to keep it intact (Which is about where we would be if Ibaka and Harden sign for anywhere near their pojected salaries). Not doing so would actually be fiscally irresponsible, and also irresponsible from a competition standpoint.
And that's functioning on the assumption that we could still make the conference finals without one of either Ibaka or Harden, which would not be a smart business plan imo (the most I might EVER assume with a team when planning my financials would be second round berth, maybe even only the first).
So basically what I'm saying is, it almost makes less sense financially not to keep both than to keep them and pay into the luxury tax.
@JimboSlice I think the Lakers could steal both or either Harden and Ibaka. Book it.
@JimboSlice Another thing to consider too is if we were to lose 1 of those guys we can always get talent through the draft "which I have the utmost confidence in Presti to do so". But not only that these guys are all getting better. They keep improving year to year. So if we lost say Ibaka, and Harden/Westbrook/Durant all keep improving it will help fill that void. Or if we lost Harden and Ibaka/Westbrook/Durant keep improving. I think it hurts to lose one whichever it may be. But the fact that there is still a lot of room for this team to grow doesn't quite concern me as much as it would a veteran team trying to make this decision.
So here's my question on the luxury tax rule, you only pay tax on dollars over the luxury tax threshold correct? Because most people are making this out to be, "If you pay Harden 12 mil, he'll cost 36 million under the new rule", but I don't think that's the correct interpretation of the rule. If we go up to 75 mil, we only pay and extra 1.5 mil per dollar on 5 million, then 2.5 per on that same 5 mil once repeat offender status is reached.
@JimboSlice
yeah that is right you only pay tax dollars on dollars over the tax, the question I have is about the different levels, if you were 6 million over do you pay 5 million at $1.50 and 1 million at $1.75 or is it all at $1.75 because that it is a big difference in taxes paid.
Right now we have $52MM allocated for 2013-2014(when their extensions kick in) We will have 2 first rd picks(this year and next year) for an additional 3 million(say they take fishers and nazr roster spots) we still have a roster spots for ivey, cook and maynor to fill(pleiss and lat will maybe) so that is another 3MM or more. So that is 58MM without signing harden or ibaka. Worst case is that they both max for 29MM, that puts us at 87MM, 17 million over the tax and in the $3.25 tax bracket. Best case is maybe they sign for 20MM combined(12MM harden and 8MM ibaka. But even that is still 6MM in tax and the $1.75 bracket. However we would stay in that bracket up to paying them 23MM so we could max harden and give ibaka 10MM and squeeze into the $1.75 bracket.
@treytech @f5alcon @ThunderBelize They are just so much fun to watch. I can't bare the thought of losing even one player. I guess I have an unhealthy attachment to our Thunder haha
@Thunderbuzzy @f5alcon @ThunderBelize I would cancel my Netflix subscription and just give the money to the Thunder.
@f5alcon @ThunderBelize I would pay tax dollars to see this team kept together lol it has given me so much entertainment and joy to watch these guys grow. Kind of like a family. So if it came down too it..I would be all for an extra $50 a year in taxes to help pay the luxury tax on this team!
@ThunderBelize 70MM is the tax threshold probably, below that and we are fine, but i think we will be closer to 80 in two years if we keep everybody
@f5alcon @JimboSlice This is the case for this year. That however changes for 2012/13 when the tax threshold is removed and you are taxed on dollars over the cap.
Someone shared this with me yesterday. Read through scenarios.
It makes it pretty clear that there would be hefty taxation if we climbed above the 60-70MM arena.
@JimboSlice
I think this is a really good point, Jimbo, that you bring up. It's going to be a difficult question that Presti has to weigh the answer. It's a risk vs. reward analysis where you have to project a lot and many people's projections will be different, therefore whatever he decides to do, it's going to be controversial.
@JimboSlice we should at least sign them and then trade them if we cant afford them before we hit the repeater tax level.
@f5alcon @JimboSlice It's just a matter of Presti selling them on signing for less, just as he got Westbrook to waive the All-NBA payroll hike. People ASSUME both players will be offered the max, but that doesn't mean both players will accept the max. What teams are going to be offering them that anyways? Do you really think X amount of dollars means more to them then being a part of a potential dynasty? This team is incredibly close. College-like. Manu and Parker signed for less to keep the Spurs intact. Hell, even Lebron and Wade took less then they could elsewhere to bring in Bosh. It might go down a different way, but I see Harden and Ibaka signing contracts for less then the max to keep this special team and organization together.
@ThunderStruck2412 @f5alcon @JimboSlice I pointed this out on another blog here on DT but we also have a few guys that can stand to take pay cuts. We got guys like Mohammed, Jackson, Ivey, Aldridge, and one or two others who are making over a million and aren't contributing as much as some of the Spurs guys had done all season making less than a million. Spurs have 6 guys making less than 1mil per.
@ThunderStruck2412 Hopefully you are right but either you are or you aren't, it's not an opinion. And if you are, then the discussion is closed. So I think most of the discussion is predicated on the scenario that they don't. It's discussing a contingency plan.