It didn’t even take 24 hours and already Thunder fans were making moves. Talking trades, talking future additions, talking new coaching possibilities.
The Thunder could’ve swept this thing and hung a banner in Oklahoma City and there’d be discussion about what to do next. Fans gonna be fans. It’s part of the fun.
But in terms of the Thunder’s realistic offseason plans, don’t expect much. They have three free agents — Derek Fisher, Nazr Mohammed and Royal Ivey — and two guys eligible for extensions (James Harden and Serge Ibaka). As well as Scott Brooks, whose contract is up.
Depending on decisions made with some extraneous parts, the Thunder are essentially guaranteed to have the same team back next season.
Also, important note about this team: They were in the NBA Finals, and very clearly good enough to win the whole thing. Fundamentally speaking, there isn’t too much wrong with the roster when you’re in The Finals, and seven or eight total plays away from winning it.
“We don’t have to make any major changes,” said Kevin Durant at Saturday’s exit interview session. “We don’t have to get a whole new team in here. We just have to stick to what we’ve been doing.”
If you’re talking major trades, or kicking around bold moves, you clearly don’t fully comprehend the Thunder model. I realize it’s fun to do, to talk about this guy for that, or if adding this piece would make OKC the bestest team ever, but just understand it’s not realistic. On the docket for this offseason is not trading James Harden and Serge Ibaka for Dwight Howard or Kevin Love. On the docket is figuring out a way to get at least one of them extended, with a solid financial plan to keep the other, and the rest of the core intact.
You should know by now that it’s about the process. And that involves building a core that grows together. They’ve grown into a title contender. One good enough to win. Obviously there’s room to improve, but I’m not sure what trade or move puts the Thunder closer to a championship then they already are.
The Thunder are essentially in the same position as a year ago. The best offseason move they can make is really none at all. Let the players stew on this feeling and come back hungrier and better next season.
(And don’t forget, OKC will be making one very large addition this offseason by default as well: Eric Maynor will be healthy and return next season. Don’t underestimate his value. He may just be a backup point guard, but he’s maybe the best in the league at it and is a big part of making OKC’s second unit a legit weapon. It’s no time for what-ifs, but if Maynor were healthy, I’m pretty convinced the Thunder are hoisting a trophy. He adds that much.)
Extending Harden is probably the first order of business and by the way he spoke Saturday, it doesn’t seem to be a concern.
“I’m just leaving it up to my agent and Sam,” Harden said. “They’ll do a pretty good job of working it out. I’m focused on several other things right now. But when the time is [right], they’ll figure it out and it’ll be done.”
He did say he loves playing in Oklahoma City about 20 times, so that’s something. And also this: “This is something special here,” he said. “A dynasty is being built here. So we’re winning, we’re having fun and we’re brothers. The other stuff, you can’t buy it.”
Is that him sort of hinting that he’s willing to take less to stay? I’m not sure. But Harden does seem to have that kind of attitude and even he were posed with a having to take a little less to stay with the team, it seems he’s leaning that way. The way he’s always spoken, his unselfish attitude and desire to win definitely has him more interested in being well paid in OKC rather than being a max player in New Jersey.
My feeling? Harden gets an extension, and everything he wants. Ibaka goes into restricted free agency. Pending Maynor’s recovery, Fisher is gone. I think he’d love to be back, but I also think he wants to play. And with a healthy Maynor, there’s not much need for Fisher. Mohammed will depend on Cole Aldrich’s development. And Ivey, I kind of expect him to continue his role a token veteran bench guy.
With Brooks? I’m close to convinced he’ll be back, as long as the Thunder hit close to the ballpark on his number. He may not be the best game management coach in the world and he has his faults, but the organization loves stability and continuity, and making a serious change on a team that was this close to winning an NBA title would seem to be an overreaction. Sam Presti and the Thunder don’t tend to overreact.
Brooks answered questions Saturday as if he was fully planning on returning next season and with the fact the Thunder have already offered him an extension, it’s more of a question of when rather than if. Because clearly the Thunder want him back, which I think was initially a question. Now, it’s just a matter of how badly both sides want the relationship to continue.
“I’m sure in the next couple of days we’ll sit down and get together,” is all Brooks really said when asked about his contract situation.
There are limited, but important questions to be answered, but the reality is, this team is very, very good as is. The core is built and forgetting about extensions for Harden and Ibaka, there’s at least one more season with this entire group as is.
Which means, not much has to change and they should have a chance to be right back at it next season. It’s about sticking to the long-term plan, which right now, is about making it even more long-term.





If you can hoodwink the Warriors, trade Perkins for Bogut. That puts us over the top.
We have a great team. No doubt. But, I think we should always be looking to improve the roster. Saying things like the best thing to do is nothing except come back "hungrier" and "better." That sounds like something Mark Cuban would blast Skip for saying is just generalizations. Now, I'm not calling for a wholesale change, but we should definitely consider options - be it the roster or the coaching staff. Every other team in the league will be and should be looking to improve. Our team didn't get the ring this season. We should look at addressing why we didn't. I'm not sure I completely buy the "weren't hungry enough for it" reason. Maybe that's just me.
@jallenmorris @oldmangame I'm not just blowing smoke but I'm also not a speculator. Whatever Presti does is fine with me. I'll cheer for and enjoy the Thunder no matter what. I could say what I think should happen but I'll decline and not get blasted by irrational sports fans with an inferiority complex and the insatiable desire to be heard i.e. "This is a post for a Denver Nuggets blog." Please carry on with your normal activities and ignore the fact that an unbiased intellectual comment has been made.
To me--our shortcoming is obvious. We do not have enough evil and edge to our team. Simply put--we are too nice. What does it say when Derek Fisher has to be the one inflicting a flagrant foul on LeBron in the midst of a season closing blowout loss? It tells me we lack edge to our team. Enough of this OKC culture where our players can't have tats, frequent strip clubs, and say f-ck off to Blevins and Tremel during the pressers. We need a little edge and a guy or two who won't think twice about putting Lebron on his back. Fisher is just too small to be our Marty McSorley and if Perk were truly feared by other teams do you think Artest ever would have jacked Harden with that elbow? The Ron I'd like to see here is Artest and his former running mate Steven Jackson. Presti can either put the nicest team in the NBA on the floor or get serious about bringing a championship to OKC. Turn these two loose like the Hansen Brothers in Slapshot and I can assure you KD, Russ, and James will never have liberties taken on them again while donning a Thunder uni. Some will scoff at my suggestion. Some will say, "Put the bong down before posting on the Dailey Thunder, El Prez." But mark my words--until Presti gets a a couple of badasses on this team---we'll be the nicest team in the NBA who never won an NBA championship. Artest said recently he thinks Oklahoma women are awesome--give the man a chance is all I'm asking.
@El Prez I think that it is not really about being feared. The whole "fake tough guy" thing. As this is basketball, and not hockey or football, there isnt really anything like an enforcer.
The guys you are mentioning are basically all super intense guys who a good coach was able to get totally committed to tenacious defense. And in this case, I agree with you, but I think we have that; guys who can totally engage on defense.
@El Prez lmao first off, that flagrant foul on lebron was horse shit. that wasnt ANNNNNYWHERE near a flagrant. second, i cannot fathom our players doing that shit man. they are who they are. i dont want the thunder being like the thuggets ok.
and to say we arent feared is poppycock. First off anytime durant is on the floor he dictates a double team, unless the opponent has a defensive stopper like marion ect.. Serge makes most people that drive to the rim question their manhood sometimes. Ive literally seen people screw up a lay up cause they knew serge was trailing. come on man shesh.
@El Prez No more suggestions for you, Bro.
@El Prez
This just all sounds so . . . wrong.
Our team isn't tough enough. Extremely talented--yes. Tough and feared--no. Nobody who I'm seeing seems scared of Perk. We might have well as had Nenad out there in this series throwing chairs at LeBron and Wade. Think about this--In Game 5...little Mario Chalmers literally right on our bench talked repeated shit to Kevin Durant and showed no fear whatsover by doing this on the Thunder bench. Nice team. Talented team. Not a team with an edge. '77 Portland Trailblazers had Maurice Lucas. The Celts and Sonics had Paul Silas. Pistons had Bill Laimbeer. Bulls had Rodman. Lakers had Michael Cooper and Artest. Larry Bird's Celtics had ML Carr. Does OKC want to have the nicest team in the NBA or one whcih will get bloody and win championships?
Mourning had a fierce scowl--kind of like Tyson Chandler. Perk has a scowl and a load of technicals, but do we really see other teams in any way afraid of him. Can you imagine what would have happened in a hockey game if one of a team's star offensive players got cranked by an elbow like the one Artest delievered to James Harden? We just need another tough player. To be honest with you--Derek Fisher and Nick Collison seem much tougher than Perk. Maybe going Artest would too extreme, but I think it's something which needs to be addressed.
@El Prez
So, El Prez, you'd be willing to cheer for someone you hold to be a cockroach/thug if he's wearing Thunder blue? I just don't see it. Next thing we know, you'll be wearing the t-shirt!
Collison has always been my favorite player on the team. He has the soul of a hockey player. He's tough in a quiet, blue collar manner. I love Collison.
@El Prez @DennisBerry Perkins was supposed to be that player for us and I think he sort of is, but he's not really healthy and effective so other teams are like 'ha ha it's Perkins' when they see him instead of quivering in their Nikes. Westbrook's pretty tough and has a little chip on his shoulder. Alonzo Mourning never struck me as very fearsome, or rather, not any more intimidating than Ibaka.
@El Prez Nick has had his dirty moments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR3dqbIP5Ts
@DennisBerry Tyson Chandler. 2006 Miami Heat NBA Championship team --Alonzo Mourning. Presti obviously agrres with me or else Jeff Green would never have been traded for Perk. The two greatest coaches of all-time in Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich embraced Artest and Jackson because they wanted to win.
@El Prez Kenyon Martin? And I agree, Mavs made the same discovery. They used to want to be the tneam full of guys you'd most like to live next door too then they realized you need a Deshawn Stevenson aka "a crazy guy" on every championship caliber team. The way they defended LeBron, roughing him up and talking shit, is a blueprint we should have tried to mimmick. All our guys seem like they don't even curse.
I realize now how important that game 2 was. Dang! If only.... Oh well. Two years ago they were an 8 seed that gave Lakers all they could handle before they went on to win it all then the next year they were a 4 seed that made it to the conference finals and lost to eventual champion, Mavs then this year they were a 2 seed that beat the 1 seed for conference championship and lost in finals. So in the last three years the champion had to go through OKC! That's growth!
I'm willing to start a dollar donation fund, to get Ron Adams back here as a assistant coach, and give him the fatest contract a asst coach could have. Then he wouldn't turn down getting paid, and coming back to OKC!
@ElMexiThunder I'll start a kickstarter account to get Phil Jackson here, however much he wants
@ElMexiThunder I have no problem with a RONMAPS 5 PLAN. You jist have the wrong Ron on your wish list. Please don't make RonAdams out to Tex Winters or the ZenMaster.
@ElMexiThunder Ownership group, make it happen. We need Ron.
I absolutely agree with you Royce. Why make any drastic changes to this team when they actually made it to the Finals? That makes no sense to me. But, like you said, fans will be fans.
@docbndgrl9113 I'm more interested in changes at the margins that hopefully pan out. Say Nazr isn't resigned and his spot is taken by Pleiss or Vorontsevich. Maybe one of those guys ends up being half way decent and you've bolstered your bench without having to give anything significant in terms of additional salary.
@Old Man Game Or in certain series.
@Old Man Game That's very true. I was actually talking about the people talking about getting rid of Brooks, Harden, or Perkins because of how they played or in Brooks' case, how he coached in certain moments.
team stays the same except Andrei Vorontsevich for mohammed...fisher is out and cook gets his mins back!
http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/06/exit-interviews-scott-brooks-confirms-perk-was-hurt/
@Jooseppi i wish there was a way to unlike this post
My questions going into the offseason are this:
1) What price is the team willing to pay to keep Ibaka AND Harden and will it be acceptable to both of them?
2) will Fish and Nazr be brought back? And if not, who do we get to fill those spots?
3) Does Cook, Ivy, or Lazar leave via a trade? And if so for who?
4) Will Brooks bring in new assistants to help with better x's and o's and defense?
@ThunderBelize
1) Dunno
2) No. Maynor and Cole/Pleiss/draft. FA big is possible but I don't think it's likely.
3) Ivey is a FA and I think he could leave. I don't think OKC offers much more than the minimum. I think Cook and Lazar are both on the team.
4) Ties into whether Brooks extension gets worked out so I dunno. Few steps ahead.
@Jooseppi Was maynor not an active roster spot during the season or was he exempted due to the injury? Assumption of course that Brooks will get his contract...
@ThunderBelize Ivey can leave. Fisher will be gone. Nazr wants to come back.
@S4TISF4CTION @ThunderBelize unless we need ivey's roster spot for a promising young guy or something we should keep him on the team
@KoolKeith3000 @OBoymuzik And Don't forget his 3pt Shooting is exceptional
@OBoymuzik I agree, Ivey seems like a good chemistry guy, who plays hard when he gets an opportunity.
@S4TISF4CTION @ThunderBelize
1) thats the billion dollar question
2) neither. those spots are al lready filled
3) ivey stays the others are gone
4) hopefully, but brooks main problem is allocating minutes correctly based on who he likes/Trusts
How cheap could we get K-Mart for?
@S4TISF4CTION Kenyon Martin was not very good this season and is 34 years old. I dunno if I'd take a chance on him.
@justin_mia He's tougher than our bigs, a better defender (hell he was locking up Rudy Gay in 4th quarters) and could possibly be cheap. He would have taken some hard fouls on Bron and Wade, and dared them to say something to him
@justin_mia @S4TISF4CTION plus hardens/trina bs
@OBoymuzik @S4TISF4CTION @Lost Ones @justin_mia He was poor during the regular season though, a larger sample of games.
@S4TISF4CTION @Lost Ones @justin_mia we have nick so Kmart wouldn't really be useful...but he isn't that bad, he was the clippers 2nd or 3rd best big man in the playoffs....Jordan was the 4th best
@Lost Ones @justin_mia Well, damn..
Hey, does anyone have a link to the exit interviews? All of them? And a good recap of the arrival yesterday?
I Know i posted this yesterday. but i really like the idea of trading for Ed Davis. He might be the odd man out in toronto, with Jonas Valanciunas comming over. Davis is a good All around Big. He can score, rebound and block shots all at a reasonably high level.
I also tried a direct swap for Ibaka on The ESPN trade machine. It makes OKC 4 games worse, as opposed to 8 or 9 when you trade serge for nothing. Now I'm not saying OKC Will or should trade Serge, but that Davis would be good insurance for an injury, or if the right deal came along
@jdstorm Ibaka for Ed Davis. We're getting there in terms of silly season.
@Jooseppi Read the Post. I said when you put ibaka for davis into the trade machine it gives okc a smaller loss then most other players for ibaka.
This Implies that should other pieces be traded for davis, he would be good insurance for an ibaka injury or other potential trade
@Jooseppi @justin_mia Judging From your Posts, we have similar views on first rounders. I just think this year might be an exception to the rule. With this team looking for talent consolidation mode rather then extra bodies to fill the roster
in general i think with 15 roster spots 6 bigs is the correct number, along with 6 guards and 3 SF's. Though What You categorize KD on this team could affect that number
@jdstorm @justin_mia It's interesting you bring up Pleiss because that makes the situation weird. Ibaka/Perk/Collison/Pleiss/Davis/Cole? A lot of bigs. We had that many in 2011 I guess but it's still a lot.
I dunno. I value first rounders for tax teams more than most, I think.
@Jooseppi @justin_mia Davis has one of those contracts, for the next few years, 4 including RFA, And there will be first rounders to sign next year too, but in general i agree with you. Just not this year, where Pleis is like a bonus first rounder
@jdstorm @justin_mia The contract is valuable to teams in the position OKC is likely to be in going forward. Being over the cap and likely paying at least some tax makes the relative freebie of signing a first round draft pick attractive.
@Jooseppi @justin_mia Pick 28 isn't that valuable to a team with as many roster spots already filled as OKC. Picks that late have about a 1 in 5 chance of being productive and on a team this stacked with next to no playing time less then that.
Now using it as a euro stash makes sense, but if i could turn Lazar and a pick into Ed Davis its a no brainer.
@justin_mia When Valenciunas comes over Davis minutes will go down, and Toronto will need to clear a logjam at PF/C.
@justin_mia @jdstorm I think they can get better players but not a pick. Maybe from the right team, not from OKC though, I think.
@jdstorm Oh God, not Lazar..
@jdstorm @Jooseppi I think they could get more for Ed Davis than that. He played 20mpg for them.
@jdstorm @justin_mia That's a lot to give up for Ed Davis.
@justin_mia @Jooseppi Well given that backup PG might be the easiest position to fill in the league, I don't have an issue with that. However Reggie + Lazar + a first round pick would be equally compelling to toronto.
@jdstorm @Jooseppi I agree with you, but I don't see what we can trade to Toronto to get Ed Davis. Something around Eric Maynor is about all I can think of that makes sense.