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Tuesday Bolts – 7.3.12

by Royce Young on July 3, 2012 at 10:26 am 344 Comments

Berry Tramel with a look at OKC’s future: “Let’s say the Thunder signs Harden and Ibaka, keeps a good roster together and goes a little over the cap. In summer 2016, if the Thunder has been over the cap for three years, and is $13 million over for 2015-16, the Thunder would be taxed $36.75 million. Did you catch that? Not only would the Thunder be spending big on salaries, it would have to write a check to the NBA for $36.75 million. From where does that money come? And here’s the sobering part. Busting the cap by $13 million probably isn’t enough. ESPN’s Tom Penn, an expert on NBA economics, said most league champions in recent years have been around $20 million over the cap. Maybe that will change when Mark Cuban and the Buss family and Micky Arison study that escalating tax. But whatever the case, this is a sobering summer for the Thunder.”

Holly MacKenzie for NBA.com on Perry Jones:  “Things will also be different for Terri Jones and her family. The Jones family will experience a much more substantial kind of different, though. Earlier this season, in an ESPN feature written by Jason King, we learned some of the struggles that Jones and his family had survived. His mother’s health issues, bouncing around from one $70-a-week hotel to another, and trying to be strong for his family while continuing to pursue his hoop dream despite the distractions, Jones has had a path more rocky than most. Helping to smooth it out is a mother who has only ever asked her son to seek out his own happiness.”

Darnell Mayberry says the pressure is on Scott Brooks now: “The only way Brooks can rise above the questions and quell the criticism is to continue to show improvement. But don’t confuse Brooks’ improvement with team wins. Those things are not one in the same. Brooks has been blessed with the league’s most talented roster. Some already are under the impression that it’s the players who are carrying Brooks as opposed to the coach putting the players in a position to succeed. Quite frankly, it’s a classic chicken-or-egg riddle for which the front office might not even have the answer. How else can you explain Presti’s original hard-line stance? Perhaps the initial three-year deal Presti reportedly offered was nothing more than a negotiating tactic. Or maybe it was a tell-tale sign of exactly where the organization’s belief in Brooks lies as the right man for the job going forward.”

The Bulls, Heat, Mavericks and Thunder are said to be the top contenders for Derek Fisher.

Darnell Mayberry on Hasheem Thabeet: “Thabeet could soon be the biggest case study. The big man has a reputation for being more in love with the lifestyle than the game. Shopping and partying for Thabeet has trumped suicides and pull-ups. But the Thunder would be banking on what’s become the backbone of its development: its culture of hard work. Maybe if Thabeet is surrounded by Durant and Westbrook and Nick Collison and Kendrick Perkins, he’ll have no choice but to work hard or stand out like a 7-foot fish. It will be by far the most challenging aspect of bringing in Thabeet in hopes that he turns out to be anything valuable.”

If you missed it, some player movement yesterday. Joe Johnson to the Nets, Marvin Williams to the Jazz and Devin Harris to the Hawks.

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cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/07/scott-brooks-this-is-where-i-wanted-to-be/

ILikePancakes
ILikePancakes 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 9 Like

I'm trying to think of a daily witty comment.

Ummm...

 

Fuck LeBron.

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

I really think our best chance of staying at or around cap level is to develop guys like Serge or James and trade them for similar players in the draft like we talked about this year with Beal for Harden.  It's nice to say we can keep them all and pay the tax but as Tramel illustrated in todays article it's really not a good long term option.  Maybe if they both improve more this year they'll have more value and we can get something equivalent in the draft next year.  If they improve enough maybe we can get a high first next year and another one the year after. It's just like anything else in business.  If you start getting too attached to something and let that attachment dictate how you make decisions it will catch up with you eventually.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @okcjim logical decision is to trade ibaka before the trade deadline.

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

 @okcjim I wish we could have traded Ibaka for that kansas PF / C.

Kreese29
Kreese29 5pts

Hey does anybody know how much the thunder made this postseason?

Prye05
Prye05 5pts

 @Kreese29 The official numbers won't come out for awhile... but a rough estimate is about 1 mil per home game.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Apparently, the Thunder are one of a few teams interested in Devin Ebanks.

 

Yay, as if the Thunder need a guy to take his shirt off after getting a technical.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @DustinMcWilliams I dont understand the last line , that's the stupidity  and ideology that is going to be the downfall of this franchise in 10 years.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @Lost Ones I don't like his mindset. I am sure he has the potential, as I do remember him playing well against KD, but I recall him being limited offensively.

diddoff
diddoff 5pts

 @DustinMcWilliams MAYBE they can develop him into a Marion-ish defender?

Prye05
Prye05 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @diddoff  @DustinMcWilliams I still feel the Thunder don't need 1 dimensional players. Instead of strictly a "defender" why not get a multi-faceted player such as Delfino who can defend and shoot 3's.

 

The reason Battier was such a nice player is because of both offensive (3pt shooting) and defensive performance.

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

 @Prye05  @diddoff  @DustinMcWilliams To be fair, we make even terrible 3 point shooters look like prime reggie miller.

Prye05
Prye05 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @diddoff  @DustinMcWilliams In the playoffs yes... during the regular season he still hit a 3 a game which when you're only taking 4 shots a game isn't that bad. Although his 3pt% was below his career average this year. Still most teams respect his shooting ability so teams actually stay kind of honest against him... unlike certain "offensive" liabilities on other teams.

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Prye05  @diddoff  @DustinMcWilliams He only made that 3 point performance against us.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

Twitter says JET possibly signing with Celtics for MLE. Will give Mavs a chance to counter before signing 3 year deal.

 

Marc Stein, among others.

diddoff
diddoff 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

"Jason Terry expected to land a three-year deal paying the mid-level exception from the Celtics, sources told Yahoo!"

 

And we're down to 2 games per year against Jason Terry. 

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @diddoff Apologies for above post, I had livefyre-update fail.

ThunderBelize
ThunderBelize 5pts

 @ou_sas  @diddoff Iverson out of retirement, for a back-up combo guard on a team like the C's might not be a terrible idea... not a great idea either, but certainly  not terrible.

Bryson
Bryson 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @diddoff I really like Boston creating this super team of the super elderly. One last stand for a united Old Guard. They just need to pick up Ben Wallace and drag Allen Iverson out of retirement and they're good to go. 

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @diddoff Wow, that's s reasonable deal.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @diddoff Mavs get an option to counter, according to Stein. It's what Terry wants.

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

 @diddoff awesome

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

Twitterworld has the rumblings that Jason Terry is signing with the Celtics.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

Can we pay someone 1 mil/3 years to keep the team away from Roscoe's when we go to LA?

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I feel like Lazar has achieved 8-bit carryover, where the next number below -127 is 128. It's sort of a "wait, what?" moment for me at times.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ou_sas liked for computer geek humor.

see-mittens
see-mittens 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I apologize in advance

 http://tinyurl.com/cczudy8

Bryson
Bryson 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @cemitten http://imgur.com/eCkk5 

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts

 @Bryson  not this again...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5cyvnkbZJ1rwcc6bo1_250.gif

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

that "thunder car" made it to the homepage of yahoo 

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/rare-oklahoma-city-thunder-themed-suzuki-x-90-175840980--nba.html

 

MD4Okc
MD4Okc 5pts

 @bmuelle21 Love the car but that rendering of KD is questionable. 

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

 @MD4Okc  It's 4 billion times better than I could do though.

MD4Okc
MD4Okc 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct everyone else looks enough like themselves. just not him. plus the quote is awesome.

MissYouCole
MissYouCole 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @bmuelle21 He actively wanted Derek Fisher on his car?

Tricia Status
Tricia Status 5pts

 @FREE_COLE LOL you're terrible LOL. I love it.

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @bmuelle21 And of course the dude who owns the car is bare foot in tatted jeans looking very hillbilyish.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

I've decided I am going to use twitter (more).

 

That's it.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @DustinMcWilliams Ironically, twitter would have been a great place to say so.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct I was plugging myself, because if I were to say that on twitter, we could use the "if X does X in the woods, does anybody X?" analogy.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct Noted. Have some livefyre points for your efforts.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @DustinMcWilliams Several people here link their twitter handles in their livefyre profile. You could start by following them. People around here usually follow you back. Unless you're Royce. If you're Royce you don't have to follow anyone back. That's just the rule.

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

If we re-sign Fish whether it's for $1 or $1 trillion, I will be inconsolably sad

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @JimboSlice As will Reggie Jackson.

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @DustinMcWilliams as will Cole if we re-sign Nazr

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @JimboSlice I will know Lazar has hit rock bottom when he starts wiping the floor with a towel after Collison takes a charge.

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @DustinMcWilliams as will Lazar if we re-sign anybody who plays basketball

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

If we all took a vote, could we possibly end all of the Lazar = MJ jokes? #old #boring #so.two.months.ago

Thunder, Love, & Basketball
Thunder, Love, & Basketball 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct I vote to end Lazar Hayward. He is probably a nice kid, but I don't see why we even bought him here. He'll be out of the league and overseas whenever his contract is up

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct you should never have brought this up... now it will never stop :/

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @JimboSlice My apologies. -20 livefyre points for me. #selfdeducted

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @JimboSlice Props for holding yourself livefyre accountable.

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

 @DustinMcWilliams  @ElMexiThunder  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @JimboSlice I say we trade Lazar for LMA straight up. However, Portland  would need to add in some extras and  a draft pick or two to make it a fair trade.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ElMexiThunder  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @JimboSlice #pitylaugh

MissYouCole
MissYouCole 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @JimboSlice Except not because you're totally right.

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @JimboSlice  Lazar for Lebron and Wade would be such a lop sided deal for the Heat! 

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

Any of those are acceptable as long as it doesn't deluge into another version of "OMG trade Dwight for Lazar!"

Bryson
Bryson 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct Lazar isn't worth 1 year of Dwight. If anything we package Lazar & a pick for LeBron and Shane Battier. 

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Bryson I wouldn't trade an Italian sub for Dwight, because well....Italian subs are amazing.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Bryson  crickets chirping #nolaughs

Shake Down the Thunder
Shake Down the Thunder 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct Perry Jones = KD?

Bryson
Bryson 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct Nazr Mohommad = Hakeem Olajuwan? 

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Bryson   @Jax Raging Bile Duct  Nah, Thats Cole. 

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct Truth. Believe.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

If Russ looks like anyone from the wire, it's universally agreed that he looks like bodie.

Shake Down the Thunder
Shake Down the Thunder 5pts

 @DustinMcWilliams  @ElMexiThunder  @Bryson   @Jax Raging Bile Duct I think Russ looks a lot like D

Bryson
Bryson 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @ElMexiThunder  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Cole is Kevin McHale. 

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @ElMexiThunder  @Bryson   @Jax Raging Bile Duct Reggie Jackson is the next D"Angelo Barksdale.

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  >>>:( NEVER!

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @ElMexiThunder Don't you raise your eyebrows at me or I'll mean face you!

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct   Yes Sir! ^-^

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