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3-on-3: Threatened

by Royce Young on August 14, 2012 at 1:52 pm 297 Comments

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The Lakers rattled the Western Conference’s cage with a big offseason. What appeared to be a relatively clear path back to the Finals for the Thunder has a serious roadblock in it now. Not to mention the fact that the West is always tough and no road to the NBA Finals is ever easy.

But who are the biggest dangers to the Thunder on paper in August? Who are the teams to fear most?

Who are the top three threats to the Thunder next season?

1. Royce Young, Daily Thunder: The Lakers. The main purpose of this 3-on-3 was really just to reinforce the fact that the Lakers are really good and will be a serious challenger to the Thunder. But they have their own questions with health and age. They aren’t any kind of lock to cruise through the West, especially considering the Thunder are, you know, good.

Patrick James, Daily Thunder: The Lakers. Obviously. But the Lakers were already in this spot before the Dwight Howard trade — as soon as L.A. was able to gt Steve Nash to agree to play alongside Kobe Bryant, the Lakers became the top threat to OKC in the West. He may be old, but he knows how to play and he knows how to get the best out of his teammates. But beyond that, how much better did the Lakers really get in the short term by upgrading to Howard over Andrew Bynum? Bynum, when healthy for an entire season last year, was, what, 90 to 95 percent of what Howard is? Maybe that extra little bit is what will get the Lakers over the top. That remains to be seen. But the Howard trade has more long-term implications for the West, if he signs with the Lakers next summer, than short term, because Howard is more of a sure bet to build around in the future. But the Lakers were going to have the best chance to topple the Thunder before Howard followed in Shaq’s footsteps.

J.G. Marking, Daily Thunder: The Lakers. You can’t add a two-time MVP who was second in assists last season (10.7 a game!) despite playing with a, shall we say, less than offensively stellar Phoenix Suns team (and I don’t care how old he is, Darth Canuck doesn’t consume sugar so that he can remain ageless…darn you Mountain Dew!), AND THEN go and add the best center in the game, probably his generation, who perfectly fits into what the other four members of the Lakers need from a big man, without immediately shooting up to the #1 threat spot.

2. Young: The Spurs. They’re the Terminator of professional sports. They don’t die. Until Tim Duncan is crushed and melted, I won’t ever say the Spurs are done. Especially considering Tony Parker has quietly become one of the NBA’s undisputed top 10 players. They’re a year older than last season which means they’re OLD, but we should’ve all learned our lesson with the Spurs four years ago. You don’t write them off.

James: The Spurs. I am done doubting the Spurs when it comes to how long they can continue to be an elite team. They’ve had two rather spectacular flameouts in a row after grabbing the No. 1 seed in the West for two straight years, yes. But as long as Tim Duncan is suiting up, Gregg Popovich is on the sidelines and a quality cast of characters surrounds them and Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli, the Spurs belong in the discussion, no matter how old they are getting.

Marking: The Spurs. You know, I know that Bill Simmons will probably always call the Thunder the Zombie Sonics, but if you really think about it, the Zombie moniker really should go to the San Antonio Zombies at this point. I mean, does it not seem like every single time you think they’re done, that they’re too decrepid, that they simply can’t compete at that level anymore and are close to pushing up championship daisies they Just. Dont. Die. As long as Pop is coaching, Timmy is somewhat mobile, and they have something of a handful of Manu, Parker and Role Player Extraordinaires…please everyone, stop writing up the obituary for the Spurs. It only seems to make them angry. And hungry for human flesh.

3. Young: The Nuggets. Other good candidates are certainly the Grizzlies and Clippers, but the Nuggets have been close to breaking through for a few seasons and it seems the Andre Iguodala move could be something substantial for them. They still lack any kind of go-to crunch time scorer. They don’t have a player that can stand up to Durant and Westbrook in the fourth quarter. Danilo Gallinari, maybe. Ty Lawson, kind of. But with Iguodala, they’re versatile, athletic, and fast. They’re frontline of Kenneth Faried and JaVale McGee could present OKC some matchup difficulties, especially if there’s an insistence to play Kendrick Perkins. Nene gave Perk great value against the Nuggets. Not so much now.

James: The Grizzlies. I thought long and hard about putting the Clippers or Nuggets in this spot, but it continues to be the Grizzlies who scare me the most after the Lakers and Spurs. Yes, they lost in the first round last year, and it’s unlikely that Zach Randolph will ever return to the lofty heights he ascended to in the 2010-11 season. But until Serge Ibaka proves he can be a consistent one-on-one post defender, Memphis’ size inside will pose problems for the Thunder — and the rest of the league, of course. And the Grizzlies are deep. The Clippers could move into this spot pretty easily over time, but until Blake Griffin can hit some free throws, score more consistently on his own and defend, I remain unconvinced.

Marking: Clippers. This might be an unpopular pick, or seem odd, but in year two of the Lob City (“Boy, I hope CP3 doesn’t leave us danging in the wind this upcoming summer in free agency) experiment, I’m legitimately worried about the Clips. For one, the Thunder always seem to lay an egg against them unless it’s at home, sometimes even at home! Secondly, they’re going to be better, like a lot better. I thought about the Nuggets or Grizzlies here, but Blake and Chris Paul scare me more than Iggy and Galinari, or Randolph and other Gasol do, but luckily Vinny Del Negro is still the Clips coach so #3 is about the highest their ceiling is. I mean, we’re still talking about the Clippers after all.

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Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/08/wednesday-bolts-8-15-12/

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Nash is the captain of the ship no doubt.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

@ff pickups nah perk can handle dh and pau will get lost in the sauce like last year

Treviedo
Treviedo 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

The real Steve Nash

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/47595/can-nash-do-his-thing-in-l-a

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Treviedo Key point, to me: "Nearly a decade after Jackson's book, and with age presenting a stronger argument than ever for Bryant to outsource some of his duties to teammates, Bryant still led the league last season, by healthy margins, in both shots per minute and usage rate. Numbers suggest he is also the NBA player least willing to entrust big shots, and control of the ball in crunch time, to others. Bryant has had many top-grade teammates through the years, from O'Neal to Bynum. Nash is the first elite point guard of his career, but hardly the first teammate who could lighten Bryant's load. If Nash persuades Bryant to spend more time in the passenger seat, he'll be the first to do so. Bryant has said all the right things so far. But what will actually happen on the court is anybody's guess. "

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ou_sas  @Treviedo 

That last sentence could easily be the theme of the entire NBA season.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Dream team and Team USA will be featured in nba 2k13

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoymuzik Can the Brow take the only white guy on the Dream Team? Find out, when you play this year's newest hit: NBA 2k13!

 

#unusedadcampaigns

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ou_sas  @OBoymuzik Who will win in the 1-on-1 Sociopath Battle of the Century? Jordan or Kobe? NBA 2k13!

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoymuzik  @Jooseppi You mean Isiah Thomas is finally joining the Dream Team? Oh Happy Days!

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ou_sas  @Jooseppi True story..pippens not in the game because he couldn't come to terms on a deal.. My guess is part of the deal required Scotty be portrayed as the #1 option

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi  @OBoymuzik Can Kevin Love grab a single board away from the Round Mound of Rebound? NBA 2k13!

Treviedo
Treviedo 5pts

To all you stat geeks out there; Yo cannot dismiss the fact that Nash has the ball in his hand 95% of the time. That is what makes Nash who he is. Do you really think they will turn him into a spot up 3 pt shooter now? 

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @Treviedo nash had the ball in his hands about 60% of the time, though his usage rate is about 19%. The lakers will go through him and not kobe.

Treviedo
Treviedo 5pts

 @f5alcon That my friends,  will be the crux of the problem.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

 @Treviedo I can dismiss your stat of "Nash has the ball in his hand 95% of the time". There is no way this is even remotely true.

Treviedo
Treviedo 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct You really have not seen him play have you?

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Treviedo COUNT THA MVPZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Treviedo Oh for crying out loud. 

Treviedo
Treviedo 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

The Lakers did the Thunder a huge favor by taking the pressure off this season. Spotlight is on them, not the Thunder.

Treviedo
Treviedo 5pts

Lakers keep getting older, Thunder keep getting younger. Interesting...

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

On another note and maybe the prospects sound this good every year at that age, but the 2013 High School class looks pretty strong.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

The argument that Perkins can't guard Dwight is missing the point.  The point isn't that Perkins is going to shut down a top 3 player in the league, the point is that with Perkins defending, the Thunder don't have to double team Dwight.  Does anyone remember the last 2 games BEFORE Perkins came to town? Dwight averaged 39.5 pts 16.5 rebs.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @FF_pickups Also, the idea that Dwight is somehow going to stop Russell and co driving on the Lakers... From what I recall from statscube, the Thunder's fg% on shots at the rim and in the paint went up pretty dramatically last season against Orlando. They also shot higher from 3. For some reason - maybe it's playing against Serge in practice every day - the Thunder are not intimidated by Dwight as a shot blocker.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ou_sas  That's the problem with Perk vs Dwight stats. We get conditioned to buy into stats so much that whatever stats exist for any given situation must be how it is. But we only played Orlando twice last year, and one of those was the very first game of the year on Christmas. How much can you tell from the very first game of the year? And how much can you take away from a 2 game sample?

 

You're better off using the eye test for a two game sample.

 

I think this is a mute argument altogether anyway. Dwight will not be surrounded by similar play style or talent, and he will not be used in a similar way.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Jooseppi  I had to google it. You learn something new every day.

 

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@ou_sas@Jax Raging Bile Duct

As one of my good friends says, "Havercrafte man pore mārmāhi ast!" It applies here. Sometimes your hovercraft is just full of eels and you've got to hover anyway.

 

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct I wonder if Metta's going to be able to still keep up with Durant this season. It seemed like he lost a step last season, and if he loses another one... well, let's just say If you can't shut down the 3-time reigning scoring champion, your defense will start to have serious problems, Dwight Howard or no.

 

So the presumed Laker 5 who will play will be 2 guards who are not good defensively (any more), one defensive stopper whose assignment has become used to him, and two bigs roaming the paint. I have a feeling those two bigs are going to be covering for a lot of the mistakes made by the guards, which shouldn't be a big change for either of them.

 

I think Harden's going to have to expand his game somehow, because while Russ has that pull up J at the foul line, Harden doesn't like any shot between the 3 point line and the rim. I think he's going to have to develop something, because otherwise Gasol and Howard will just stay home... and then what happens? Be interesting to see.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ou_sas Grrr... moot. Sigh.

 

One thing I don't see changing is Russ' mid-range jumper. If he hits that shot, doesn't matter who we play, that game is a win. I hate to boil the game down to a single thing, but Dwight and Pau aren't going to jump up from the baseline, and they aren't going to double off the ball screen just so they can contest that foul line mid-range jumper; no smart defensive team would.

 

But I want to see how long it will take Dwight to learn to play with a 4 like Gasol, who plays 15 ft and in, who is technically sound in the post on offense and defense, and can pass that well. It'll be a tad bit more crowded, but so much more helpful defensively.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct *moot

 

Yeah, small sample sizes hate us. At any rate, the only thing I remember from last year's games versus Orlando was the domination we displayed in that first game, and how Dwight was essentially a non-factor on both offense and defense in that game.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Lot of people think lakers are going to win the west. I laugh inside

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @OkcBaby 

The Thunder's only hope is for the season to be a war of attrition because the inside presence that a healthy Lakers team is going to present with Dwight and Pau isn't matchable in the NBA.

ThunderChick2010
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY persiansooner13!

 

Be sure to check back later and tell us how you celebrated--you know, besides coming here.   :)

Jooseppi
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 @ThunderChick2010 In honor of our immaculate friend here, today's comments will have a certain Persian flair to them. 

Tavallodet mobārak, @persiansooner13 .

jder03
jder03 5pts

This may have already been discussed but what are some 3-on-3 pairings for the Olympics that you'd like to see? Obviously a Durant-LeBron-Howard trio would be overpowered, as would a Durant-Westbrook-Harden one. Personally, it would have to be composed of guys who are not on the 12 man roster. I'd like to see a trio of Irving (he's not gonna make the 2016 team unless Rose, Paul, Williams, and Rondo are all hurt), Paul George (ditto for him unless he becomes a star), and DeMarcus Cousins (too unfair though).

 

 

And before any of you pick apart my picks, the 2016 Olympics are in four years. Four years ago, KD was coming off his second season, Westbrook his rookie one, Harden a great collegiate career at ASU, and Ibaka his stint in the ACB. A lot can happen in four years.

SilenceTheLambs
SilenceTheLambs 5pts

 @jder03 A 24 year old Kyrie could be better then Rondo IMO. 

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

http://aaronknows.keedan.com/track/files/2012/06/nike-zoom-kd-5-10.jpg Legit pics of the KD 5, Nike is going to make them $99.99 and as you can see they're the first KDs with visible air. I hate them

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @DennisBerry Yeah these suck...I like the 4s

jder03
jder03 5pts

 @DennisBerry they're certainly higher than the KD4s.

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @jder03 KD's whole "thing" with signing with Nike was he wanted his shoes to be affordable because growing up he never could afford Nike's. He actually wanted them to be $35 but Nike literally has socks that cost that much. Unfortunately for that same reason I have found all of his shoes, except maybe the 2, to be very subpar. LeBrons and Kobe's are better, better looking, perform better, more durable, better tech whether it's full zoom, max, foamposite, obviously MSRP at a much higher pricepoint tho

O O O O O O
O O O O O O 5pts

 @ThunderCityUsa  @DennisBerry  @jder03 im cool with these. i wasn't ever really feeling the strap and the low cut thing wasnt well done like the kobes. 

O O O O O O
O O O O O O 5pts

 @ThunderCityUsa  @DennisBerry  @jder03 http://solecollector.com/media/sneakers/images/551883_414976188538335_827135959_n.jpg

ThunderCityUsa
ThunderCityUsa 5pts

@DennisBerry @jder03 they look like hyperdunks totally not feeling them!

goodwillhunting
goodwillhunting 5pts

I think we should try to trade either DQ or Hayward for a draft pick and cash.  Then go after Grant Hill for cheap.  Grant Hill's game making skills, team defense ability, and locker room presence will make him a perfect fit on our team.  Bottom line, Grant Hill makes the teams he plays for better.  He makes the Thunder better by allowing even more flexibility in our rotation.  Remember what happened after we didn't go after Battier last year and the Heat got him.  Battier made the Heat complete.  I don't want Hill to end up with someone like the Lakers and be their last piece, when we could've tried to go after him ourselves.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @goodwillhunting grant hill signed with the clippers, he's not a free agent

goodwillhunting
goodwillhunting 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoymuzik Well, I feel stupid for having missed that.  Thanks for correcting me.  Still think we're missing a piece who can score off the bench and take some burden off of Harden though.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @goodwillhunting  @OBoymuzik

So he's NOT going to sign with the Thunder?   :)

Jameswade99
Jameswade99 5pts

This may be the most ridiculous idea yet, but everyone is questioning how we could possibly keep Harden and Ibaka. If Miami can win with 3 Stars and a bunch of role players, then why can't we have 2 stars and 2 almost stars and a bunch of role players? I don't have all the salaries. Does this sound possible? KD-$16M Russ-$15M Harden-$12M Ibaka-$10M Totaling $53M for 4 players. Then we add in another 9-10 players who's pay totals $25-$30M. That would mean a few min pay along with a few around $3-$4M. From the looks of salaries players are signing for, I think this is more than doable. Our total payroll would be around $80M leaving our tax penalty about 20M. If we want to win then we will more than likely have to be a tax payer. Just not a high tax payer.

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @Jameswade99 Their role players are better. They have a guy like Ray Allen who is a multiple time all star coming off the bench. Plus as Ray Allen demonstrated, guys will take less than market value to go play in Miami and with LeBron. OKC, not so much

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @DennisBerry   I don't think we really know if guys would take less to play with OKC the way they have with Miami because I'm not sure we've really pursued anyone seriously other than Fish, have we? 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @DennisBerry  @Jameswade99 while i agree with you on guys taking less look at miami's roster..they play bad role players much more than we do. Haslem gets 4m per year, Mike Miller 6 per year

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @DennisBerry  @Jameswade99 Scola gets paid 4 per year now..that's a steal

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @Jameswade99 Miller was a bust because his body is broken, but he formerly was rookie of the yr and 6th man of the yr.. Haslem at 4 is a steal though. Then 3 each for Shane Battier and Ray Allen, and 1.3 for Shard Lewis who I still believe is going to shoot ~40% from 3.

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