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It’s been roughly 12 hours since word broke that Dwight Howard had been traded and “OKC” is still trending on Twitter. No, not because he was traded to the Thunder. It was because most everyone’s first thought after hearing about the Howard heading to the Lakers, after first saying, “Holy crap, so that’s Kobe, Nash, Gasol AND Howard!?!” was if it meant the Lakers were better than the team that eliminated them last year.
Are the Lakers now the Western favorite? Are the Thunder now underdogs? Does Oklahoma City need to do something to catch up?
(It’s kind of cool, really. You can’t do something in the West without wondering if it gets you any closer to the Thunder. Respect.)
But here’s the shorthand of this: The Lakers have improved as much as any team this offseason. They’re better than the team OKC mostly breezed through in five games last postseason. They were good then, got better with the addition of Steve Nash and now are downright scary with Dwight Howard. The Lakers are for real, for real.
However: The Thunder are still very, very good. And they still match up well with the Lakers.
Kendrick Perkins should send Mitch Kupchak a fruit basket or an iTunes gift card for keeping him relevant for the next few years. There was all that chatter about amnestying him, especially with the league’s apparent shift to smallball and speed. That day might come at some point still, but not anytime in the near future. Perk has always been something of a Dwight Stopper, a guy that frustrates Howard and won’t let him physically dominate a game. Howard isn’t as much a threat on the block as Andrew Bynum is, but Perk’s job and role remain unchanged: Stop the Laker big man.
Still, the Lakers are an improved version of last year’s team. They’re better defensively, mainly because they just added the best defensive player in basketball. They have all-world playmaking point guard in Steve Nash. Really, just stop right there and that’s a frightening team. Nash throwing lobs to Howard and running pick-and-roll is already enough. Then add Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol and you have probably the best starting unit of any team in the league.
It doesn’t take a genius to know that the Thunder’s road back to the Finals just became more difficult.
Though while most will crown the Lakers the Western favorite, the Thunder remain in a more-than-solid position. But there are two viewpoints here.
The optimistic side: Kobe Bryant is about to turn 34, has played more than 50,000 minutes and more than 1,100 NBA games. Steve Nash will turn 39 next season, has a terrible back and a ton of mileage. Dwight Howard’s back even remains a question mark. And Pau Gasol, well, Pau Gasol will likely remain the odd man out as the national media complains about his lack of touches.
Don’t forget: OKC still has Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden and Serge Ibaka. If you wanted to make a case that that foursome was better than Nash, Kobe, Gasol and Howard, I wouldn’t argue with you. And OKC has a better batch of bit players in Nick Collison, Eric Maynor and Thabo Sefolosha.
Also, remember: The coach of the Lakers is Mike Brown.
The doubter side: The Lakers have the best starting unit in the league, the league’s best big man and one of the most offensively gifted power forwards in the world as their fourth option. Plus, if you think he’s getting frozen out, remember, Steve Nash doesn’t allow people to be frozen out.
Yes, they’re a little old. A little worn. But you can bet both Kobe and Nash are going to be some kind of rejuvenated with this remade contender. And it only takes one season. The Lakers might not have a solid long-term plan in place, but their plan for 2012-13 looks mighty fine.
I think you know which side I lean. If I’m picking the Western winner right now, I still lean with the Thunder. They won the West last year with a roster mostly under the age of 25 and natural evolution says they should be even better this season. Crowning the Lakers now is way premature, but they will certainly be the sexy Western Conference pick. The trade is fresh, we’re all staring at a stocked full Laker roster and left wondering how anyone competes with that. But I feel like right now KD and the Thunder are like Mr. White talking to Gus in the SuperLab. “What did you expect me to do? Simply roll over?”
The Thunder aren’t rolling over. The road is longer and tougher now, but nothing is finished. You don’t win championships in August.
Here are five other side thoughts:
1. My first thought: Oh, so this is why the Thunder signed Hasheem Thabeet. Makes so much sense now. (For those that sarcasm is completely lost on, that was a bit of sarcasm.)
2. Obviously acquiring Howard is an incredible upgrade, but let’s not act like Andrew Bynum was some terrible player. Honestly, the acquisition of Nash still scares me a little more just because he’s going to utilize Laker weapons that haven’t been utilized in the past. Namely, Pau Gasol.
3. The Laker bench: Steve Blake, Antawn Jamison, Jordan Hill, Christian Eyenga, Andrew Goudelock, Robert Sacre, Darius Johnson-Odom. I’ll just leave that there. Oh yeah, and two of their best players are 34 and 39, and battling chronic injuries. I’ll leave that there too.
4. What Howard does for the Lakers so much more than Bynum is gives them the ability to handle OKC’s small lineups. Howard is more versatile and athletic, so the Thunder can’t run out their smallball sets to get Howard off the floor in the way they did with Bynum last season. The Thunder still should have a major edge in transition over the Lakers. LA’s strength will be in the halfcourt, both offensively and defensively, but OKC will have the ability to run the Lakers to death.
5. My absurdly way-too-early-pick if these teams met in a seven-game series? Thunder in seven.





Are Nick Collison, Eric Maynor and Thabo Sefolosha better than Hill, Blake and Jamison? I am not immediately sure.
In terms of overall boxscore efficiency as measured by winshares per 48 minutes it is pretty close to a dead heat.
In term of RAPM estimates, yeah the Thunder bencn trio is far superior. If you believe in the value of RAPM.
@f5alcon Cook was estimated as slightly below neutral on impact last season. True there are other players but I focused on 3 bench and the starters to conform to what had been discussed previously.
@Crow What about with cook? plus if perry jones plays we don't have RAPM for him.
looking at per 48 minute values
But if you believe in RAPM, the Lakers starter 5 is +15 and the Thunder's is just about +5.5.
http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/08/why-the-showtime-supermen-may-have-just-tugged-on-the-wrong-cape/
If Orlando wants picks lets give them this years 1st and 2nd for Moe Harkless...I want him on this team.
@Bryson Bottom half picks seem to send them into a frenzy.
@Bryson By Orlando standards we're overpaying. I'm thinking a basket of fries and a thank you card will suffice.
Submitted for your analysis: http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/team-vs-player.html#Thunder-vs-Dwight-Howard|1610612760,2730;year=201112;season=r
Use this information as you will.
Lakers has the best Center in the league and it has its own TV lakers network now
@tydude Dude. I know this isn't English class, but maybe you could start working on yor grammar and punctuations and stuff. Sometimes it takes me a minute to figure out what you're saying.
Talks between Bamberg and Lat Williams appear to be dead because "he continues to dream about joining the Thunder". Awwwwww
@diddoff Getting all misty-eyed.
guess what KC Chiefs plays tonight
So orlando just ensured themselves that they will have a gazillion worthless guaranteed picks? am i right?
@Lost Ones You are correct. Got nothing for the Best Center in the League
I'm still trying to figure out why this trade happened. Orlando had much better deals on the table at various points throughout the summer. It's one step removed from nothing.
@Jooseppi Someone must have become impatient and just said "eff it!"
@ou_sas @Jooseppi that person was Dwight Howard
@Jooseppi @ou_sas @Jax Raging Bile Duct if CP3 and Howard trade happen it did with Howard but not CP3 Lakers will give us real big trouble but they have steve nash who is like 200 years old dang he can't stop russ
@ou_sas @tydude @Jax Raging Bile Duct Still dumb. That family fired a coach and GM to keep Dwight and then gave him up for 3 cents. Clownshoes.
To satisfy LAL for the botched CP3 trade, and to get folks off his back about the NO draft-rigging, it was David Stern people. Don't be surprised if Orlando makes it to the conf. finals again in '14. /tinfoilhat
@ou_sas @Jooseppi @Jax Raging Bile Duct wow GM got screwed big time
@Jooseppi @tydude @Jax Raging Bile Duct posted below: "If Hollinger is accurate, it was the team CEO that executed the trade, and not Henigan."
@tydude @ou_sas Dwight has no control over where he is traded other than threatening not to extend.
@Jooseppi even the nets deal was much better, our model ruined the game man.
So amare... is training with Hakeem right now
@Lost Ones You didnt see the video I put up of him in the short shorts? LMAO
My Pleasure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G-2rBfkLiY&feature=player_embedded
@Lost Ones dont flag me...its Hakeem practicing with Amare...who happens to be wearing short shorts. LOL
@Lost Ones On how to not punch fire extinguishers?
@Lost Ones "Give Hakeem the ball 'Melo"
Is USA on TV today? Will it ever be on TV?
@D@nny NBCSports today and if they win today they will be on NBC on Sunday at 9:00 AM
FF-pickups, I answered your question about more specific roster improvements that could have been or still could be considered in the Friday thread.
btw Daryl Morey should be fired ASAP
@Lost Ones The owner probably needs another 12-24 months to get to this conclusion. He loves the concept of Morey and Morey the person and especially some of his personal characteristics / affiliations / attitudes (jewish like the owner, interested in and trained in financial management, snotty / superior, working the numbers hard but apparently not interpreting them with great wisdom)
@Lost Ones he scoffed at rebuilding last season and after he got no playoffs now he is rebuilding but still half-refuses to acknowledge that it is a long rebuild ahead. he thinks it is a reload and he is sorely mistaken.
But Clay know how to kiss up to King David, including his infamous love letter while seeking to move the team.
@Crow Lakers owner? Jewish. Heat owner? Jewish. Celtics? Jewish. Thunder? Lead owner is half-Jewish by family descent. "In the club", but not as strongly as these others.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct at least two of the analysts for the Thunder are jewish. probably more but I've stopped tracking the detail.
2% of the population.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct but when i noticed a good number of folks getting hired as NBA analysts right out of college or still in college, i happened to notice that they almost always are jewish and working for teams with jewish owners. in most cases this is not a guess. i found explicit reference to their religion affiliation online.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct that is why i have rarely even alluded to it, but it is a big part of the reality of the insider world. i can give more evidence about agents, gms, etc. but i probably won't/
@Crow Dang. I guess I never thought about the Jewish thing before. I hate to venture an opinion - seems like politically incorrect territory.
@Lost Ones And all three top NBA league executives are jewish. Connections, favoritism and tribalism is rampant in business in lots of other ways of course.
@Lost Ones Something like 60% of NBA owners are jewish and, surprise at least 40% of the NBA analysts are jewish.
@Lost Ones That's for sure. All the wheeling and dealing in the offseason, and they end up with a worst team
@neo12 HAHA, they will be a 35-40 win team as usual and try to trade up AS USUAL lol
@neo12 @Lost Ones Maybe this is best. Morey's only fault is trying to finish as high in the standings as possible with a mediocre team. The best way to rebuild for most teams is to bottom out.
@Lost Ones BUT MOREY BALL.