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Saturday Morning Cartoons: Serge I-signed-a-four-year-deal-a

by Royce Young on August 18, 2012 at 10:50 am 284 Comments

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Four more years (really, five) of that? Yes please.

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C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

how the hell am I just now hearing of this? This is huge.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

a while ago @Crow mentioned a spike in Westbrooks assists last year when maybe he was scared of being traded, I would love for Harden to get scared into improving his defense

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Crow and also Perk getting scared into playing better if he thinks he might be amnestied 

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @OBoymuzik is he scared of that? i dunno. might be a blessing

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @OBoymuzik paid for no  work, no travel

As Promised
As Promised 5pts

Whoa, this upcoming year the thunder are 10 million over the cap; at 68 million.  And I think over 72 million is where things get dicey

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Serge's minutes have to go up now, right?

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @justin_mia They should.

TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard
TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard 5pts

@justin_mia i would sure hope so, but anything (bad) is possible with Brooks at the helm.

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

 @justin_mia One would imagine and I hope so. Hopefully we go a nine man rotation and have Ibaka check back in late in the first quarter.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @justin_mia

 Why? 

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @FF_pickups don't think he'll be paid $12m to play 27 minutes a game

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FF_pickups  @justin_mia i think ibaka will drift up into the low 30s. Presti picks and pays, Brooks plays

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @justin_mia

 I don't think that Brooks is going to give out minutes based off of contracts.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Jeff Green 4/36, funny how that worked out.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @justin_mia they probably trade him at some point. it looks like a contract to be traded later deal to me. or they are stupid.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Crow  @justin_mia bill simmons thinks they are giving him extra to repay him for cutting him last year after the heart condition was found

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @justin_mia

 funny or annoying? 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @justin_mia What? 

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Hope he comes back and plays great this year.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeFestusFromGSW! very little has changed in his stats year to year (NBA or back in college too). the biggest change since his rookie season to last season is that he has cut his turnover rate almost in half.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @DennisBerry  @dancassidy35/FreeFestusFromGSW! he was a bust from the standpoint of overall impact for a #5 pick

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @Crow  @dancassidy35/FreeFestusFromGSW!You guys consider Jeff Green a bust? He was a pretty good player IMO, I mean 17/6 is nothing to sneeze at, but he was obviously played out of position here because him and KD are both 3's and getting traded to and resigning in Boston where he's behind all stars in the depth chart isn't going to do much for his stats.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeFestusFromGSW! all of Presti's busts or potential busts went to big name basketball schools. Jones is not in that classification.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeFestusFromGSW! that and the mock draft consensus that he should have gone 8-10

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeFestusFromGSW! the no change in Green's college stats year to year was a main reason I was not comfortable with his pick on draft day

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

Just for curiosity's sake, have any of the other big names from 2009 been extended? I know Tyreke hasn't, nor Curry and Thabeet

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeFestusFromGSW! Blake Griffin.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

Wonder how the contract is structured.  Presti does weird things with contracts sometimes.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @justin_mia I am not sure if he can do this under this CBA but he might be able to pay Ibaka $13.7 mil in 2013-4 then drop to $7.7 mil and then increase the max allowed the rest of the way back up to about $9.6 mil. Maybe that would make for one and only one luxury tax hit and the cheapest version of that hit..

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Crow  @justin_mia

 Can't frontload contracts like we did with Nick because we are over the cap.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Crow  @Jooseppi  @FF_pickups Makes it easier to trade him, if necessary, down the road.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @Jooseppi  @justin_mia  @FF_pickups i messed up that first strategy in two ways.

 

it appears you could pay $13.4 mil this season and then have it decline to $10.6 mil  by the end. if the player and agent agreed.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @Jooseppi  @justin_mia  @FF_pickups i see it now, thanks

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @Jooseppi  @justin_mia  @FF_pickups ok. i wasn't motivated to find that kind of detail right now

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Crow  @justin_mia

 I think you can have them increase based on some estimation of the increase of the cap each year.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @justin_mia  @FF_pickups  @Crow 7.5 percent decreases are possible. 

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @justin_mia  @FF_pickups i am not sure. just speculating based on what you used to be able to do.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @Crow I think you can make them de-escalate though, like Bulls did with Kirk Hinrich.  i.e. certain percentage decreases instead of increases.  Probably not likely.  

Crow
Crow 5pts

Long way away but right now every team in the league could bid on Durant in summer 2016. Miami has zero dollars obligated for 2016-7.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @Crow  as long as we get a rind out of him we are fine.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones they already got a rind this past season

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Crow  @Lost Ones 

I think we've all got a little "misfit" in us to a degree.  :)

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @Lost Ones I appreciate your comment and  I accept it. My annoyance is more with myself and what I write and don't write and how I fit or don't  than anything so don't take my talk of annoyance too personally.  I appreciate the banter and teasing to a degree, I just don't want to get sucked up into it too far.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Crow  @Lost Ones

 

Had to google it to make sure you weren't pulling my leg. You weren't.  Btw Crow, if I truly was annoying/offending you with my posts yesterday, that was not my intent.  It was meant to come across as good-natured teasing . . . I really do enjoy reading you.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Crow  @Lost Ones

This reminds me of cleandoe's Grape Drink post from yesterday . . .

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @Lost Ones have you heard of grilling watermelon? i hadnt til sometime  earlier this year. got to use good judgment on the grillin time. would Perk grill watermelon? Probably not. If Perk grilled watermelon would he use good judgment, maybe not the first time. Would Perk like grilled melon? O for sure. And making $8+ million a year he can hire someone to grill his watermelon.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Crow  @Lost Ones

 This could leave us scarred.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

It's different CBA's and all but Ibaka got the same per year as Horford and Noah did.

Aren't
Aren't 5pts

But can Noah and Horford block/create offensive rebounds for the other team like Serge does? I don't think soooo!

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @Arent Noah is better than him if he's healthy and Horford is too.

Treviedo
Treviedo 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Arent No way!

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @justin_mia  @FF_pickups  @Lost Ones i would have preferred noah on his first contract over the second one and i am not if i would go big on the third one

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @justin_mia  @FF_pickups  @Lost Ones alright

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @Crow  @FF_pickups  @Lost Ones Right, but many of those games he's hurt to the point that it's clearly affecting his play.  Like Thabo and his feet.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @justin_mia  @FF_pickups  @Lost Ones he has played 84% of the his possible regular season games. bad but not real bad

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @Lost Ones As an aside, I'm a massive fan of Thibs as an assistant but do not like him as a Head Coach.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @Lost Ones For being injured all the time, maybe.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Lost Ones

 Noah has a far superior defensive coach.  If he were here, you'd complain about him constantly.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Arent noah has low key emotional issues as well it seems easy to take him out the game mentally. 

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Arent I think I'd rather be paying Ibaka $12M than Noah though, because Noah can't stay on the court and even then he's playing through injuries half the time.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

Bargnani got 5/50. 

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

Al Jefferson 5/65, David Lee 6/79... there are worse contracts out there. 

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @justin_mia and RAPM estimates him at a modest negative overall impact

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @justin_mia well i'll modify this a bit. he did get better this season on boxscore stats but he still is nothing special

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @justin_mia yes but bargnani is not getting better as expected / hoped / promised

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @FF_pickups He's not a scrub he's great but I admit some of the day dreaming about training with Hakeem, post game, etc. compels me to post about him more negatively.  I like Ibaka a whole lot.  But I am concerned about his year two to year three progress, relative to many other good players who make larger gains in that period.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @justin_mia

 Every time you talk about Ibaka, you make it sound like he's a scrub.  The guy just signed for 12 million a year.  Presti obviously disagrees with you.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @FF_pickups What are you talking about

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @justin_mia

 I told you it was going to happen.  You are really negatively biased towards our players.  He's held in a much higher view by the rest of the NBA than you hold him.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @justin_mia One of the first signs that Bryan Colangelo wasn't going to succeed in Toronto.

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