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The Eric Maynor situation(s)

by Royce Young on August 29, 2012 at 12:18 pm 155 Comments

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Serge Ibaka this, James Harden that. All summer the focus has remained on those two players and what their future in Oklahoma City might look like.

But there’s actually a third player on the roster that’s eligible for an extension too. And one that doesn’t want to go anywhere either.

Thunder fans haven’t forgotten about Eric Maynor even if it seems a lot of other people have though. There were draft stories about OKC taking a point guard to replace Derek Fisher. Stories about OKC pursuing point guards in free agency to do the same. Ridiculous trade rumors. And all this time maybe the league’s best backup point guard is already on the roster.

Any person that’s watched the Thunder closely over the last few years knows what an asset Maynor is. Remember, Maynor is so good and Scott Brooks trusted him so much that Maynor played the entire fourth quarter to close out Game 2 in Dallas of the Western Finals in 2011. He fits wonderfully in the locker room, understands his role perfectly and is an ideal team player. He’s the kind of guy you want on your roster, period. He puts team in front of himself, plays hard and best of all, is very, very good.

Really, you could almost count Maynor as a big summer signing for the Thunder. He’s a major re-addition to the team. He missed almost all of last season after blowing out his knee and after a lot of hard work rehabbing, will be back to 100 percent for training camp.

But he’s essentially on a one-year deal and if the Thunder don’t ink him to an extension, he’ll become a restricted free agent next summer. All signs point to that happening. Most of the time extensions are for core pieces that you don’t want to hit the market at all. Letting guys hit restricted free agency doesn’t mean you’re letting them go. It just means you’re letting the market determine their value. So it’s not some slight to Maynor that he’s unlikely to get an extension. It’s just pretty standard.

We all know the complications and the future situation surrounding Ibaka’s new deal, a future Harden one and the salary cap for OKC. It’s going to be tough. A big challenge. All along those scenarios haven’t included a new long-term deal for Maynor, which means the Thunder’s backup point man could be moving on next summer.

More than any other player though, Maynor made it clear during his exit interview that he’s willing to sacrifice to stay together.

“If we really want to continue, it feels like we got something special here,” he said. “I feel like if guys sacrifice to get something done then everybody will be here still.

And: “I want to be here. It’s very important to me. Whatever we got to do to get it done, we need to make it happen. I enjoy being here and I want to be here longer.”

One more: “Of course I want to be a starter in this league. But at the same time, wherever I’m at I want to enjoy it while I’m playing basketball. Sometimes it’s not about that. Sometimes it’s, like I said, about that word sacrificing. That’s basically what I’m about. I just like to win and enjoy doing it.”

Seems pretty clear, no? Maynor wants to be in OKC. Really bad. The issue, again, is the numbers. If a big deal for Harden puts OKC in luxury tax hell, well, you can probably figure out what a new contract for Maynor does.

Still, you can’t play with seven players. You’ve got to have at least a 13-man team. I doubt Maynor would sacrifice so much to spring for the veteran minimum, but something in a low dollar neighborhood and he absolutely could remain on the roster.

And as has been the case with every Harden and Ibaka discussion, the key is to keep under breaking the tax threshold by more than $5 million. Go over that and it gets more punitive. Except that probably won’t happen, unless the amnesty clause is used for Perk.

Four scenarios:

1) Sign them all. Say OKC re-signs Harden for $14 million a year. That would put OKC at over $80 million, or in likely in the second bracket of the expected tax threshold. And that’s with 13 players on the roster, not including Maynor. If Mr. Bennett and his ownership group just said, “Screw it, we’re already paying up for Harden, might as well keep ‘em all,” and kept Maynor for say, $3 million a year, the Thunder would actually be paying $1.75 for every dollar over. Essentially taking a three-year $9 million deal for Maynor and making it for $24.7 million (the $9 million plus $15.7 in tax penalties). That’s a hefty price tag for a backup point guard.

2) Extend Maynor, not Harden. This one’s not as fun. But that keeps the Thunder under the tax line, gives OKC a high quality bench player to solidify the second unit and if Perry Jones or Reggie Jackson could blossom into a scorer off the bench, the Thunder might recover those lost points.

3) Trade Maynor for a future replacement of not him, but Harden. Though the Jimmer rumor that was recklessly floated a couple weeks ago is essentially nonsense, it is kind of an interesting scenario. Say OKC deals Maynor and a pick to Sacramento for Jimmer and brings back his rookie deal that’s paying him around $3 million a year through 2015. Keep Harden this season, let Jimmer and Jackson back up Westbrook. Then you let Harden walk, groom Jimmer to be the new bench weapon and slide Jackson over to replace Maynor as the backup point guard. Makes sense, right? One small hole in this plan: Jimmer isn’t remotely close to the player Harden is. Other than that, great plan! (Note: I’m still a Jimmer believer though and think in the right situation he could be a very good NBA scorer. He can’t guard a frozen TV dinner, but he can score and shoot.)

4) Let Maynor walk in RFA. I really don’t like this plan, but you have to realize, a great backup point guard is an NBA luxury. It’s like getting heated seats in your car. They serve their purpose well and sometimes you’re super happy you have them. But most of the time, you’re just spoiled. Reggie Jackson is a cheaper alternative, likely drafted as a contingency plan for Maynor. And yeah, it’s probably the most likely of the four.

(Here’s a bonus fifth scenario that makes me feel kind of gross: Sign Maynor to a sensible deal that is an attractive, tradeable contract. When the tax looms in 2014, deal him away to save some money. You get an extra year out of him, and maybe some future picks or something in return.)

It’s unlikely Maynor will sniff an extension. Even in Sam Presti’s end-of-the-season presser, he mentioned working on deals for Harden and Ibaka, but didn’t name Maynor. It’s not a priority in the way Harden and Ibaka are/were. But that’s not to say it’s a guarantee he’s gone. A player that is so committed to an organization that he publicly talks about sacrifice and taking less to stay is someone you want involved with your franchise.

James Harden and his future is what clouds our brains right now. But don’t forget Maynor. Because he’s worth the worry too.

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RamonaHaggins
RamonaHaggins 5pts

I think Sam Presti will make the right decision.  The Thunder only has six guards.  Three of them are pointguards, and Westbrook and Jackson are not like Maynor.  I think it is safe to say Maynor will be kept.  And for those nuts who think the Thunder doesn't need both Westbrook and Maynor are just that, nuts. 

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @RamonaHaggins   I love Maynor and the change of pace he brings to the Thunder, but...   Last year, the Thunder won the Western Conference and went to the championship series without Maynor.  Would they have won the championship with Maynor?  Eh...I'm not so sure he'd be that big of a difference-maker because the Thunder could have won if any number of other things had happened.  I believe Eric Maynor is important to the Thunder, but I'm not convinced that he's crucial.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @TaoMaas  @RamonaHaggins The Thunder won without KD.  Does that mean KD doesnt make a difference?  :)

RamonaHaggins
RamonaHaggins 5pts

 @OkcBaby  @TaoMaas

 We'll see, won't we.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @TaoMaas Frankly if E returns to form and stays the same.  Thats 10x better 

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @OkcBaby    Yes, we won 1 game without KD.  But we took the Western Conference and went to the NBA finals without Eric.  I never said Eric doesn't make a difference.  He does.  What I said is that he may not be crucial to the Thunder's success.  I base that upon last season's results.  I think that the best any team can hope for is to make it into the final hunt.  After that, you have to get a little lucky.  I also firmly believe that nobody...not just professional basketball players...should take an extended leave of absence from their job.  Because, once the team/business learns that they can survive without you, you become expendable.  We were robbed of seeing whether Eric's game would have taken a step up, as did KD's, Russ', James', and Serge's.  For all we know, Eric's game may have evolved to the point where it became a serious question as to whether he ought to be driving the Thunder bus, instead of Russ.  But that's a big "what if".  What IS, is that Eric lost a season.  And now that the Thunder are faced with a decision of who to keep, I fear he may be the odd man out....rightly or wrongly.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

@RamonaHaggins @TaoMaas It was directed at taomass anyway

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

@RamonaHaggins @TaoMaas Wasn't really a question that needed answering.

RamonaHaggins
RamonaHaggins 5pts

 @OkcBaby  @TaoMaas  @RamonaHaggins

 I don't understand your question.  Could you elaborate?

RamonaHaggins
RamonaHaggins 5pts

Perhaps my statement is based on some hope.  I'm hoping that all the players improve, including Maynor.  If he plays the way the Thunder expects him to and if he can make as much impact on the games as his potential would allow him, the Thunder would be absolutely hard to beat.  After he went down with his injury, the bench performance was down and it's performance (scoring wise) was down through the playoffs, and I think that was one area that really hurt us against the Heat.  I definitely think Maynor would have made a big difference.  I think the players that Presti has added to the bench have really strengthen the Thunder.  I'm looking forward to Maynor's return and hope that he makes a kind of difference that puts us back into the Championship series.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Just cause.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuv6yavUKZU

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

Option number 3 is to let Harden walk?  Am I the only one who thinks that isn't an option?  If Harden isn't going to be on this team for the 2013-14 season, you've got to trade him ASAP.  Obviously, I would prefer to keep Harden and pay the tax, seeing how it isn't my money, but the Thunder brass should have made that decision back in June when they were offered the number 2 pick in the draft.  If they aren't going to pay Harden then they absolutely have to trade him.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @FF_pickups I would imagine by "walk", what Royce really means is "leave the team through some manner or artifice of Presti's machinations."

YoniFromIsrael
YoniFromIsrael 5pts

I'd have Eric as point guard over Russell. Ship Russell somewhere and free up some of that cap. It may sound crazy but actually think well look better with a natural point guard...call me crazy

RamonaHaggins
RamonaHaggins 5pts

Where would you ship Russell?  To the moon?  Somewhere that package would not return to bite you.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @YoniFromIsrael 

You clearly don't understand how good Russ Westbrook is.  And all this talk about getting true point guards, refresh me again, how many combined championships do Chris Paul, Steve Nash, John Stockton, Jason Kidd and Mark Jackson have?

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @YoniFromIsrael Maynor would be one of the worst starting PG's in the league.  He's a decent backup.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @justin_mia  @YoniFromIsrael Some people never change.  lol.  Because going from one of the best backup PG's in the league means he'll suck at starting.  lmao  What a idiot.  U evaluate the Thunder players so well.  Like Thabo right?:)

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @YoniFromIsrael Okay, since you insist, and nobody else did.

 

You're crazy! :-P

 

Seriously though, financially, it might make sense, but you're talking about trading away the #1 energy guy on the team, the #2 scorer, one of the best rebounding guards in the league just to have an offense that looks prettier. I also think that without Russ' bulldog tactics, there's a very large number of games that we would not win. KD and Russ are both the "take over the game" types. Having two of them is a blessing that most teams cannot dream of. I understand where you're trying to come from, but I respectfully disagree.

BrockSuede
BrockSuede 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

For all of us Lazar fans (just about all of us right?):

 

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/photo.php?fbid=408219132572504&set=a.344284892299262.80981.322942571100161&type=1&theater

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

Shelden Williams just signed to play over in France. He would have come home for cheap and been more useful than Daniel Orton

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

why haven't we bought Josh Howard in for a workout?

El Prez
El Prez 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Sure is a lot of basketball talk on here tonight. Is Wednesday night designated as basketball chat night?

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Presti's Smart he knows we need this dude for at least 1 more year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CMeP0iT8p4

KellOne
KellOne 5pts

 @OkcBaby Eric does have a pretty raindrop shot

Treviedo
Treviedo 5pts

 @OkcBaby westbrook and harden are great and all but Mo Cheeks has to smile when he sees this smooth point guard play.   That's what basketball is all about.

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/08/66ers-head-coach-dale-osbourne-joining-blazers-staff/

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

who's theory was it that Serge should shoot three 3 pointers per game?

KellOne
KellOne 5pts

 @OBoymuzik Serge should be abusing the rim on a regular basis, ie 1:13 of this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKkGw5ePx7Y

 

plus maybe 3-5 midrange shots per game.  

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OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC i would like to see it, would be a fun experiment. 

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @justin_mia  "it pulls him away from the rim where he cannot capitalize on one of his best skills (offensive rebounding)"

 

Kevin Love was 1st in offensive rebounding and 14th in the NBA in 3pt attempts per game so the two aren't mutually exclusive.  Ibaka takes a decent number of long two's, if he can proficiently hit 3's, then he should back up a few feet.  I don't know if he can hit them but if he can, then he should be shooting those over long 2s.  Basketball 101...

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @OBoymuzik Perkins post up 123 times last season according to Synergy. 25% of those plays ended in a turnover.  He attempted 84 shots and shot 32.1% on those attempts, and only got fouled 4% of the time (zero And-1's).  Assuming zero turnovers on 3PA, if you replaced 123 Perk post ups with Ibaka three pointers, he'd need to make about 20 of them to get the same productivity, or 16.2% 3PT%.  This isn't to say that Ibaka attempting threes is good, but Perkins posting up is just awful.  The reason Perkins posts up isn't because the coach thinks it's a good idea, I think it's because it keeps him happy since he's a giant man-child.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @justin_mia first 10 games of the season let him shoot one 3 per game. Just to see how it goes.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @OBoymuzik One or two open attempts per game is a lot.  

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @OBoymuzik Why?  There is no evidence that he can make them consistently, it pulls him away from the rim where he cannot capitalize on one of his best skills (offensive rebounding), and we already have one guy taking way more threes than he should.  

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @MisterJohnsonOKC Why would you prefer it?  Serge has attempted 6 threes in his career.  He might suck at them.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @justin_mia i would be fine with some of those awkward corner mid range shot he takes were just 3's. If he's improved catching and finishing around the rim then don't do it. 

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @OBoymuzik Two wrongs don't make a right.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoymuzik  @MisterJohnsonOKC Are we trying to turn him into Manute Bol?  Keep Serge away from the 3pt line please...

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Considering Brooks' track record I'd be very surprised if Jones was a part of the rotation.  Who is he going to replace?

 

Perkins / Aldrich

Ibaka / Collison

Durant / Cook

Sefolosha / Harden

Westbrook / Maynor

 

That's  ten players.  Does he overtake Cook?  Maybe.  I'd say it's more likely that Cook keeps his role.  If Aldrich is not going to be a part of the rotation I'm thinking the Thunder just go small a lot.  I don't see where Jones is going to crack into things.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @justin_mia What if Durant speaks up for playing time for Perry? I'll assume he hasn't done something similar for anyone before but will he have a special close relationship with Perry and mentor him and not say anything if he gets little to no actual NBA playing time? Maybe, but I guessing he might speak up if this happens this time.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Crow  @justin_mia

Whatcha know, Crow?  It's kinda quiet around here tonight . . .

Treviedo
Treviedo 5pts

 @justin_mia  I think he backs up Durant . if Maynor can play, Cook is long gone imo

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @justin_mia I think it's 50/50 that cole is in the rotation. 

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

If perry becomes the benches Jeff Green Iam satified

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

satisfied.  No homo

Bryson
Bryson 5pts

If we waste Perry I'm gonna be upset. We were just gift wrapped a lottery pick and had him dropped into our laps, and the odds are good that he wont get a second of playing time. I'm angry already. 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Bryson  lets wait til the season starts to say the odds. He's more NBA ready now than Reggie was last year AND he's been working with the coaches during the summer (something reggie didn't have because of the lockout)

 

and also do you think if KD takes him under his wing he's not going to get minutes? Dwight Howard got coaches fired and players traded while he was in Orlando, I hope KD doesn't have that much power here, but he has some say. 

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Jones wont break that starting rotation.  Its Brooks

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @OkcBaby by your logic anyways

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts

 @OkcBaby Pause.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @cleandoe Pause. Pause.

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    [...] There is a forgotten player on the Thunder team that warrants attention at this point, according to Royce Young of Daily Thunder: “Serge Ibaka this, James Harden that. All summer the focus has remained on those two players and what their future in Oklahoma City might look like. But there’s actually a third player on the roster that’s eligible for an extension too. And one that doesn’t want to go anywhere either. Thunder fans haven’t forgotten about Eric Maynor even if it seems a lot of other people have though. There were draft stories about OKC taking a point guard to replace Derek Fisher. Stories about OKC pursuing point guards in free agency to do the same. Ridiculous trade rumors. And all this time maybe the league’s best backup point guard is already on the roster.” [...]

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