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Thursday Bolts – 8.2.12

by Royce Young on August 2, 2012 at 11:49 am 92 Comments

Rob Mahoney for the NYT on Russell Westbrook: “The team may never create the idyllic balance that would truly elevate them beyond the sum of their parts, but there’s little excuse for shorting the sum total altogether. Westbrook’s Olympic potential may remain wholly untapped, yet it’s his diminished impact that’s all the more glaring. Westbrook has yet to have a chance to really exercise his own game, and as the team searches for subtle ways to improve its performance, they need look no further than their own lightning rod turned forgotten man, a bundle of complicated talent desperate to break free.”

Marc Stein of ESPN.com: “Krzyzewski has tried in vain to convince the media pack traveling abroad with the Americans that he wasn’t trying to send any messages to his starters when he subbed out all five en masse late in the first quarter — with Tunisia holding a shocking 13-12 lead at that point — or when the second five (Carmelo Anthony, Andre Iguodala, Kevin Love, Russell Westbrook and Deron Williams) were granted the opportunity to start the second half. “We’ve done that before,” Coach K said. “It wasn’t like I was angry or anything like that.”

John Hollinger of ESPN.com: “So after all that funny business last summer, it turns out that there’s only so much you can do to make small markets competitive. I know, Oklahoma City reached the NBA Finals and, in terms of market size, Miami is in the middle of the pack. Nonetheless, this past offseason served to remind everyone how the game favors the glamour markets, and how good the flyover cities have to be to give themselves a legitimate chance at a championship.”

Serge Ibaka has on a hat here.

Matt Moore for PBT on Love and Westbrook: “And there are plenty of reasons to think that the smart, sensible option for both Love and Westbrook will be to stay put, and neither leave in free agency nor push for a trade. But we’ve seen logic lose too often in this league not to wonder. Westbrook is already part of a superstar trio that loves playing together, and they’re all in the Olympics together this year. The only way it happens is if things were to go seriously awry and Westbrook were to think about this experience and what it could mean for him elsewhere. Or if he were to bring Love to the Thunder which in no way seems possible with the CBA.”

Henry Abbott of TrueHoop: “Wherever the best players decide to play, in a newly strong World Cup or the Olympics, will be the preeminent international tournament. You know who’ll win this fight? Whoever wins the players’ affections. Bryant has made clear the history and reputation of the Olympics mean a lot to him. Others may prefer getting paid, or sticking it to the IOC, as would likely happen in a new World Cup. There are messy conversations to have — not just with the NBA, the IOC or FIBA, but with the best players from around the world, too. And that’s exactly how it should be, because David Stern doesn’t run the summer — and neither do the IOC or FIBA. The players do.”

Sekou Smith of NBA.com on KD: “Durant’s time came two years later in Istanbul, where he led the 2010 World Championship team to a gold medal and showed the world how quickly things can change when you’re arguably the best scorer on the planet, or at least on your way to that title, and you recognize that no one man can stop you. Fast forward to this summer and these Olympics and it’s clear that Durant won’t have to wait until 2016 to rise to the level of more seasoned teammates like LeBron James and Kobe Bryant and Carmelo Anthony, the senior members of the team competing here in the Olympics. Durant’s time is now and whether he realizes or not, Durant, all of 23 and already three-time NBA scoring champ, as ascended to a leadership position in this constellation of superstars.”

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thelaughingwiseman
thelaughingwiseman 5pts

What are predictions for Harden's stats this upcoming season?

ThunderCityUsa
ThunderCityUsa 5pts

@thelaughingwiseman on par with last years

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

i don't understand why i'm giving random "likes" to people...it's just happening automatically lol

ThunderChick2010
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 @bmuelle21

Maybe you have some telepathic connection to cemitten?

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 idk but i always long on and see that i have apparently liked the most random comments...idk what's going on

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @ThunderChick2010 log*

C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts

WTF @ the end of the game.

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

 @C-Wil Yeah, lets foul when we don't need to and then the time that we absolutely must foul, don't do it....

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

Dumb foul by brittan there.

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

*britain.

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

Watchin Luol Deng vs Spain.

thelaughingwiseman
thelaughingwiseman 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I really want to see a more dominant player in Perkins this year.  This past season was about him getting in shape.  His next move is to get back form in and around the basket on Offense and Defense.  If I don't see that I'm really going to be upset

ThunderCityUsa
ThunderCityUsa 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@thelaughingwiseman on defense probably on offense not likely

thelaughingwiseman
thelaughingwiseman 5pts

How many minutes do you guys think Maynor is going to get?  Will we see a small ball line-up where Westbroook is the 2 guard?

thelaughingwiseman
thelaughingwiseman 5pts

Will it affect Westbrooks minutes?  41 average last year

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @thelaughingwiseman Westbrook averaged 35.3 minutes in the regular season and 38.4 in the playoffs.

Maynor will probably stay at ~15 minutes per game like has so far in his career.

The only potential difference is if Brooks likes what the second unit did last year, playing a "point guard" nominally but most responsibilities handed to Harden. Fisher played 20 minutes a game doing that for the Thunder. I don't see Brooks doing that. with Maynor.

You won't see any more of Maynor/Westbrook backcourts than you have previously, and maybe less (not regularly, in other words). Any time Westbrook is off-the-ball, you'd ideally have Harden shouldering that load. 

diddoff
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Latavious Williams apparently signed a contract with Metros de Santiago in the Dominican Republic.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @diddoff The Dominican league runs from July to September. 

diddoff
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Ryan Reid is heading to France and will play for Chorale Roanne Basket

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @diddoff good for him. might still make it but unlikely.

Fezzy
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Compared to the other Thunder(ers), how many minutes would you ideally like PJ3 to get? I'd put him probably give him the fifth most minutes after the core. I wouldn't expect him to be that good right away, but I'd want to play him a bunch to get him adjusted to the NBA

thelaughingwiseman
thelaughingwiseman 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! I really hope Perk's minutes become limited so he can be fully healthy come playoff's.  I feel limiting perk's minutes would allow Cole and Nick to play more time in the center position and allow PJ3 to get minutes.  This would give him enough minutes during the season to show himself off to the team and than Scott would be able to shorten the rotation for the playoff's while having guys like Cole and Maynor to develop

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @thelaughingwiseman  @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! give him nights off where you can or don't bring him back in the second half if you don't need to or he isn't playing well or has a bad match-up.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @thelaughingwiseman  @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! and try to find out more about what he does away from the team

Jooseppi
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 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! Ideally I think you give him 10 minutes a game for the first 20 or 30 games and go from there. 

I don't think that's likely. 

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! with scott brooks as the coach probably 0, rooks don't play

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @f5alcon  @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! except when presti tells him to (ibaka,harden)

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @Legendary_Dork  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @f5alcon  @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! i guess it too early for the guys to hangout and play together this summer (beside the big 3 in London). i assume they will in late august or sept.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Crow  @f5alcon  @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET!  as far as pj3's role, i think during summer practice and stuff they will determine where he fits best. he said he just wants to help his team, fit in where he needs to be. we might be surprised at what he can do

 

 

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET!  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @f5alcon unlikely that Brooks does it anytime soon though

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET!  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @f5alcon that might be good to close games eventually, especially if behind

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @f5alcon  @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! Maynor-somebody-Harden-Jones-Ibaka?

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Crow  @f5alcon I'm just waiting for the lineup with him and the core four. 

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

 @Crow  @f5alcon  @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! As for PJ3, I can't decide what his role will even be. I don't like the idea of him at the 3, and I'm not sure I love the idea of him playing the 4 in a small lineup with KD at the 3. Probably better that than to see him take minutes from Nick in a more traditional lineup though.

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I'm definitely hoping for a big leap from Reggie this year ala Bradley or Bledsoe 

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! yeah i liked him in the draft. still waiting to see the real rj.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct with guards it is far more important to stop penetration and avoid fouls than it is to see a jumpshot go up and yet they play the jumpshot pretty hard.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
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 @Crow  Yes! And last season the scouting report must have said "pressure jackson" because whenever the defense would put ball pressure on him even at half court, he'd retreat into his super conservative shell and it'd eat up ages and ages of the shot clock. And the defense would force the turnover quite a bit. It looked like what Russell does to Tunisian guards in exhibition matches.

 

And his length should help him lag that extra inch or two off his man to discourage penetration while also giving him a realistic chance of bothering a shot. If that offensive guard is in that triple threat of shoot, pass, drive - with Reggie's length his position should discourage the drive and also challenge the shot from the same spot.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! should he be more aggressive, guard closer or more careful, using his length to buy more time or recover?

Crow
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 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! confident with his dribble without the largely non-helpful crossover right before he makes a move. just go.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! or they go crazy playing wings

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

 @Crow  @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! I just want to see Reggie be confident with his dribble and defend. If he just does those two things, he'll be way better than his small run last year. With all of his length, he should be able to defend. He doesn't have Westbrook type athleticism, but he's got enough. Not really that impressed with his lateral speed just yet.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! they can both play enough if perk doesnt get near 30 minutes

Fezzy
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 @Crow As I keep thinking about who the second squad will be, I'm starting to despair that PJ3 isn't going to get minutes because of Cole. Hope I'm wrong

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! i wanna know if he has nba 3 pt range or not. if not, then i'd be more willing to trade him

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! more rj cuts to the rim from off the ball may be better than the easy to read, not really fullforce drives he  usually makes as  a pg

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! or dual pg

Crow
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 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! maybe he will look better on the court next to maynor as a sg

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! i'd probably make the 8th man

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

 @Crow Would he be ahead of Thabo, Nick, or Perk?

Crow
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 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! if he gets under 250 minutes for the season, it will be an outrage. under 500 is probably still an outrage.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! no prob

Crow
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 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! 15 minutes per game is probably the max he gets first year. might be ahead of maynor if he gets that much. but he will probably get a lot less from Brooks.

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

 @Crow Whoops, bad at math, my bad haha

Crow
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 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! ahead of cole by a little or a lot though

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @dancassidy35/FreeMonroefromDET! as 8th man he wouldn't

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