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With Serge Ibaka’s deal done, the focus turns to James Harden

by Royce Young on August 18, 2012 at 3:48 pm 682 Comments

Jesse D. Garrabrant/NBAE/Getty Images

With the Serge Ibaka signed, all the attention is now on that big beard and how many dollar signs are going to fit inside of it.

But for Sam Presti, all his attention turns to something else: His wedding. That’s right, Ibaka’s extension got done on Presti’s wedding day.

“I’m very much looking forward to getting off this conference call, no offense, and moving on to the second half of the day,” he said. “I think it’s safe to say there’s not a fear of commitment on my end of the phone.”

Obviously, big congrats and best wishes to the happy couple, but it’s a different pair that Thunder fans are focused on.

The big summer questions for the Thunder involved the future and how small market Oklahoma City could manage and maneuver paying both Ibaka and James Harden. One is done as Ibaka signed a four-year, $48 million deal. Immediately, the questions turned to Harden and how that impacts him. Some see Ibaka’s deal done first and wonder if he was actually the priority and not Harden, like most expected.

“These type of things have their own tempo. Their own rhythm. They happen independently of one another,” Presti said of the negotiations interlocking. “Sometimes you get to that point a little bit sooner, but it doesn’t necessarily mean those conversations are at different rates or any indications of one way or the other.”

Don’t worry though. The Thunder are locked in on getting a deal done with Harden as well. There’s never been any of this “Harden or Ibaka?” talk within the organization. It’s all about keeping both and while Presti has always acknowledged challenges in doing that, he’s never shied away from that being the goal.

“We’re going to continue our conversations with James. We very much value him,” Presti said. “We want him to be part of the organization moving forward. We’re excited he’s a member of the Thunder and we hope he’ll be with us for years moving forward.”

It was always going to take an assist from the players in order to retain both and Ibaka certainly gave one. In a roundabout way, he took less money. How? Because think of it this way: If Ibaka were to reject a Thunder extension offer for less than the max (four years, $58 million) and wait until next summer where he was a restricted free agent, you can be sure he’d likely be a target for a max offer sheet from someone. It’s not hard to see what transpired this summer with Roy Hibbert and Brook Lopez and see which way the market is headed under this current collective bargaining agreement. Clearly, the Thunder were interested observers to see what the current NBA market looked like under the new collective bargaining agreement.

Ibaka and his agent aren’t dummies. They know what the open market in the NBA would’ve looked like for a soon-to-be 23-year-old shot blocking power forward with a potentially limitless ceiling that was just named first team All-Defense. When you bring 29 other owners and general managers into the equation desperate to find building block young talent, Ibaka was going to get a max sheet, or close to it. Especially if Hibbert, Eric Gordon and Lopez did.

“We think [Ibaka]‘s important, but we also think his best basketball is ahead of him,” Presti said. “I can’t sit here and tell you that any of us anticipated Serge being a first-team All-Defensive player in just three years.”

So Ibaka found a number he was comfortable with from the Thunder and avoided the open market where he probably would’ve landed an offer sheet that OKC couldn’t match. Simply by signing now rather than later, the Thunder got a hometown discount, in a way.

Obviously, you can apply that same thing to Harden as well. There’s no doubt about it Harden would command a max offer from somewhere. He knows it, and the Thunder do too. It might not result in major savings, but every penny less that the Thunder spend on these players is big money saved in the future. The luxury tax grows more and more punitive the higher over it you go. Spend $1 to $4,999,999 over the tax threshold and you’re paying $1.50 on every dollar over. Spend $5-9,999,999 over and you pay $1.75 on every dollar. That goes to $2.50 for $10-$14,999,999 and $3.25 for $15-19,999,999. (And guess when that more punitive tax kicks in? The 2013-14 season, right when Harden and Ibaka’s extensions start.)

Like I said, every dollar saved is a big deal. The Thunder are likely to still bust into the luxury tax if they retain Harden along with Ibaka, but depending on the deal, it could be manageable. There’s always been this assumption that OKC absolutely couldn’t go to the tax, like it was an impossibility. It’s not. It’s just much more challenging for a market like Oklahoma City that doesn’t have the same kind of big dollar TV deal like an L.A. or New York.

And to help the cause, the Thunder have players like Ibaka trying to do their part, while also taking care of their own business. It’s kind of an incredible culture the Thunder have established to inspire players to do that. Harden and Eric Maynor both alluded to making sacrifices to stay, while Russell Westbrook and Ibaka essentially took less money to do exactly that.

This was never an either/or situation for the Thunder with Harden and Ibaka. The Thunder want them both married to Oklahoma City for the long-term. And they’re one step closer to it. Hopefully Harden’s the next to say “I do.”

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MissYouCole
MissYouCole 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

Really happy serge is coming back.  When James comes back, it's gonna be rad. I need real basketball cause I keep forgetting to come to DT otherwise. Hello friends

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

If Harden goes anywhere else.  It will probably be the suns or sixers

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @OkcBaby Lakers fans seem to think Kupchak is going to trade Blake and Duhon for him

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @DennisBerry Presti would laugh in his face

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OkcBaby I know, their fanbase is so spoiled they think they deserve to get every player, although recent history doesn't really disagree. It's hilarious. They think they are going to get KD too in 16, and Russ in 17, even topics on there about LeBron using his early opt out to be a Laker, And if he doesn't, they'll just trade Matt Barnes for him

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

We just signed a big deal and this place is DEAD! 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Lost Ones

What's new, Lost Ones?

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 Nothing been playing a few new games working out you?

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @Lost Ones

 Wake up-DT-work-DT-eat-DT-work out-DT-sleep-DT.  My life.  :)

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Would have took Olajuwon over Naz still:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NmzOG7r_Mg&feature=context-vrec

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @OkcBaby i was thinking the same thing, he could provide about 10 min per game

alvarex
alvarex 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @OkcBaby I dunno, I think he could still get 15 and 8 in todays NBA.  He look spry in those videos.

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

Erik and Mr Johnson OKC, I tried my damnedest to find that court, failed. I had 3101 N Lyons Blvd as an address, it took me driving down MLK and turned right on 28th, then N. Lyons makes a sharp v with it, but there was a dead end there and like either a school or church, but I didn't see any church. Was I in the wrong neighborhood? It was a tough looking area

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

 @DennisBerry  It was my bad though, i should have sent better directions. It is a hard spot to find. Give me your number and next time i'll make sure you find us. The Meridian spot is a'lot easier to find since its in the wide open. 

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @ElMexiThunder Oh, well I tried to swing through.

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

 @DennisBerry  @ThunderChick2010  @MisterJohnsonOKC  My bad bro i didn't know you posted contact info. Def gotta hoop. Hit johnson up i didn't see it. 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @DennisBerry  @ElMexiThunderHaha -- you're worried about protecting DB from US?  :)

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

 @DennisBerry  Yeah i know man. Its my bad bro. Maybe next time your in town. 

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

 @DennisBerry  It was the school. I was down there. We usually hoop at 16th n Meridian though, that Lyons Blvd is a spot i got with other people. 

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts

huuuuuuuugh..... this is worst than the lockout

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @RodneyRosavelRusanWilson

Uh, no it's not.  :)

Remember what we were reading at this time last year?

 

http://www.dailythunder.com/2011/08/report-durant-has-1-million-per-month-offer-from-russian-team/#more-16196

 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @RodneyRosavelRusanWilson What is? 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Channel 9 news just covered the Thunderstruck sneek preview/premiere that KD was at tonight. At the end of the story they quoted the Governor as crediting Oklahoma's "generous film credits" with bringing the production here. Setting aside that much of it was actually filmed in Louisiana for a moment, I'm sure it wasn't KD that brought the rest of it here, it was film credits. 

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

"At the end of the story they quoted the Governor as crediting Oklahoma's "generous film credits" with bringing the production here."

 

Attention ho.  I don't suppose she mentioned that the legislature tried to kill our film credits, did she?  No...I didn't think so.  Wants all the credit, but none of the blame.

 

http://normantranscript.com/x598831339/Senate-bill-could-stunt-Oklahoma-film-industry

 

 

 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

so who is @Allen Iverson obviously it's someone who's been around DT for awhile

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @Allen Iverson

I was thinking thelaughingwiseman.

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts

 @ThunderChick2010  @OBoymuzik  @Allen Iverson I was thinking laughingwisman was tony montana, too.

 @Old Man Game Its not me, I already used all my email accounts for fake accounts

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  Eat Sleep Thunder? 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Old Man Game he's tweeted since @Allen Iverson showed up though...my first guess was the troll that showed up a few weeks ago that hated the thunder and was an allen iverson fan lol but whoever this is is a thunder fan. wasn't Persian Sooner a big AI fan? or El Mexi

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Old Man Game  @Allen Iverson he's posted* this ain't twitter

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Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @SergeIblocka  Hey yeah, what happened to him? Did he log so much comp time during the playoff run that he was able to take a month off or something? 

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Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @MostJadedGamer  Woooooooooooooooooosh

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @Old Man Game  @SergeIblocka  he was right lol

MostJadedGamer
MostJadedGamer 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC

 After the insane mount of minutes Fisher got last year I don't want another very old verteran on the team. Scott Brooks simply cannt be trusted. Presti has to be very careful with Brooks as or coach.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

scotty stylin at the thunderstruck premiere 

 

https://twitter.com/okcthunder/status/237344551457673217/photo/1

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoymuzik Hey that's the first time Brooks has been seen in public since the WCF, WITHOUT his head up his ass. 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Old Man Game those are his master plan glasses, he puts them on when he's coming up with a master plan

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @OBoymuzik The working title on this one was "How to win friends on South Beach and Alienate Thunder Fans." 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoymuzik The working title was "A boy and his boob." 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Old Man Game he had a script written for if they won last year titled

"Scott Brooks: Things are getting Fishy"

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Old Man Game win the championship with perk playing 45 min per game so he can star in his own movie called Perk & I

 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @OBoymuzik What's the plan? 

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As Promised
As Promised 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @SergeIblocka Why is it idiotic?

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @thelaughingwiseman  @SergeIblocka  maybe if we traded cook for him, cheaper, roughly the same talent level.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @f5alcon  @thelaughingwiseman  @SergeIblocka  he could maybe do cooks job, but cook is a significantly better defender, i fear that jimmer wouldn't get any minutes because he's so bad on defense, and he probably won't ever be a good defender because he's so small 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

@SergeIblocka scroll down a bit.

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Can I ask, what is all the "IMO" people are using here? We know it's your opinion guys. It sort of goes without saying.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old Man Game I started on the internet with 2600 baud modems and text real estate was at a premium.  IMO is an outmoded habit.... IMO.

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @justin_mia Sounds like you're an internet pioneer. We owe you and others like you our gratitude for spending all that time in the dorms listening to those cracking and pops before logging on over a black and green text screen so that one day we could all enjoy the feature laden internet we do today. 

O O O O O O
O O O O O O 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old Man Game  yo i just died at we owe you and others like you. oh man. hahahhahha 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @justin_mia I'll make sure and circle that one when I see it in the christmas catalog so Mom and Dad know I want it. 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old Man Game  @justin_mia

Well worth it . . . I mean, it DOES come with 7 programs for the family!

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old Man Game  @justin_mia

I know what to put on my Christmas list now.  How about this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=EkRD5s3V9aM&NR=1

 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @justin_mia Oh crap, even better is this one. 7 programs for only $1199 in 1988 dollars. Which according to an inflation calculator I found at the Bureau of Labor statistics, would be over $2300 today. 

 

http://youtu.be/Q4ezlLdCErM

 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @justin_mia Oh my god. This got me to looking. Look at this ad for a computer with "Five programs" and at only $399.

http://youtu.be/dabD5lLyzLY

 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Old Man Game  @justin_mia

Right!  I just remember watching those old "information superhighway" commercials and having no concept of what that would "look" like.

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @ThunderChick2010  @justin_mia I love stuff like that. I remember those commercials they used to run on channel 25 during the afternoons for places like Wright "Business School" and Platt "College" in OKC. The announcer would say "Computers are changing our world" then they would promote some basic computer literacy course.  It was utter cheese. 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @justin_mia  @Old Man Game

Remember commercials like these?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJhRPBJPoO0

 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @justin_mia Now when was it you all stopped mailing the punch cards to one another and got the phone lines involved. 

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Old Man Game Thanks!  Wasted many hours of my youth so that you could have your fancy Javascripts, HTML, blogs, etc. etc.  Back in my day...

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Old Man Game

IYO . . . are they using it unnecessarily?  :)

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 I'm going to start using, finishing my opinions with, ASTM for "anonymous source tells me." Like most of the newspapers do these days. 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 I'm not annoyed. I just think it's kind of funny that people say that so much. 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Old Man Game

Okay, I withdraw my idea.  Bet you're also annoyed by "IMHO" . . . cheap attempt at humility?

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @ThunderChick2010 We could make TC a ubiquitous catch all terms like the guy's name in that movie "The Dictator." Do you want the TC news first or the TC news? The TC news is you're HIV TC? 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Old Man Game

 How 'bout we just make up some acronyms?  I think I'll start using TC for That's Cool.  But that might look self-serving . . .

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Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @MisterJohnsonOKC That's cool. I was just kidding around. 

As Promised
As Promised 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old Man Game Honestly, In my opinion, I really don't know why they use it, it gets annoy some times... lol  just joshing ya'

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