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A counter to OKC’s ‘challenges’ in the new system

by Royce Young on September 18, 2012 at 5:10 pm 408 Comments

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On Monday I wrote about life as a small market team in the new collective bargaining agreement and how it’s unfortunately impacting the Thunder. The league is full of haves and have-nots and while the Thunder are certainly excelling currently, the structure of the league’s system still feels unfavorable.

Henry Abbott of TrueHoop naturally had an extremely smart counterpoint: It’s not that the NBA is divided by market class, it’s just economics.

The Lakers and Knicks make more from their local markets than the Thunder ever can. But that’s not because of the NBA rules. That’s because of life. Also, and here’s a cheap shot … but the argument is that the Thunder’s market is simply far too small to generate those kinds of revenues. We all remember how that team got to that market, though, right?

They were in a bigger, more lucrative local market, but for reasons of civic pride and personal passion, despite an assessment at the time that the market might barely support a team, the owners moved to one of the smallest markets in America with a pro team. I’m all for OKC having a team, but when you make a non-economic decision like that, is it fair to expect the league or the other owners to fill in any economic disparities?

Per the usual, Henry is definitely correct. The league can’t impact the fact that Los Angeles has a lot more people in it than Oklahoma City. And the fact that that makes the Lakers especially profitable isn’t their fault. They pay their dues in revenue sharing, they operate within the rules everyone plays under.

I guess my point is simply that all that talk from deputy commissioner Adam Silver about competitive balance was really a bit overzealous. Because the league can’t be built that way, for the reasons Henry illustrates. It’s economics, stupid. For the same reason you’re likely to make more money if you run a successful big business in Los Angeles compared to OKC. More people equates to more revenue. At least revenue opportunities. And in the case of the NBA, that added opportunity is often a massive television deal, something the Thunder won’t really ever see.

To say the NBA has a “class system,” as I kind of recklessly did, probably isn’t fair. Because that class system is actually just reality. It’s life in the world. If you move a team to Big Spring, Texas (SHOUTOUT BIG SPRING), there’s a good chance you’re going to have more trouble making money than you would with one in Chicago or New York or LA. It’s the reason professional sports franchises are traditionally located in the biggest cities.

But again, to round out my original point: That doesn’t mean it’s fair. And the idea that the NBA could make it so is silly, with the Thunder being an obvious example of that. Now, we haven’t actually seen the new CBA impact anything, but that doesn’t mean it won’t. We haven’t seen a team actually facing the stiff repeater tax yet. While the Nets and Lakers have a ton on their books for 2015 and 2016, they can always maneuver to trim that number down. And David Stern is confident they will.

Presently though, it appears it’s been a systematic backfire, at least in OKC’s terms. The new CBA is impacting one of the little guys in an extremely negative way. Great management is being punished by Stern’s “player sharing” model. It’s almost as if the NBA is completely aware that there are some terribly managed NBA teams and are trying to force the smart ones to share their spoils. It’s NBA socialism, or something. Except in the Thunder’s case, it’s not the upper class doing the sharing.

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atxhorn
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MostJadedGamer
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beelieve035
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http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/09/wednesday-bolts-9-19-12/#more-22000

Tronchaser
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 @DennisBerry Hey Dennis, how do I get in on the DT group for the Nov 21 game?

 

ThunderChick2010
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 @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry 

Copied from below:

 

@ThunderChick2010  @El Prez Like maybe on Nov 21 against the Clippers in a suite so there's 28 other cool guys and gals from DailyThunder comments section there, and free drinks and food, and it's only 70 bucks a ticket and you can take a photo together on the court after the game. If only somebody here had the juice to set that up. Oh wait, I do. 580.647.3417 everybody to reserve your ticket now!!

ou_sas
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 @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El Man, I really should have been on top of my game. That was prime for an 867-5309 phone number drop.

 

And I know that there are some people on the board who won't understand.

ou_sas
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 @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El I know what you're trying to do, and it won't work, I tell you!

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @ou_sas  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El 

Hey, I just met you

:)

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El Not that I mind the video, but I'm not a fan of the song.

ou_sas
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 @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El You're welcome! And admit it, there are worse songs to have stuck in your head.

 

Like the one that somehow keeps creeping up on DT, day in, day out. F5alcon's Miami Cheerleader's one. :/

ThunderChick2010
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 @ou_sas  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El 

Thanks.  I'll have THAT in my head all morning.  (Gotta give them credit for turning "nine" into a three-syllable word.)

Patrick OKC
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 @ou_sas  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @ElYeah, I figured that since I already new Tutone and Fresh Prince it's not like I could really pull it off, but I thought it would be fun to pretend I new a lot of dated references, but somehow totally missed Joel.  Fun while it lasted.

 

ou_sas
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 @Patrick OKC  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El I was having trouble figuring out if you were trolling me or not. I felt like you had to be, but couldn't quite get there 100% (hence the Billy Crystal reference). The Coldplay reference was where I said, right, he has to know who Billy Joel is, and he's just messing with me. 

Patrick OKC
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 @ou_sas  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @ElReally, you give up just like that with no mention of We Didn't Start the Fire or Uptown Girl.  For shame.

 

ou_sas
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 @Patrick OKC  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El Something like that.

Patrick OKC
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 @ou_sas  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El

 Ooohhh Piano, like Coldplay.

ou_sas
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 @Patrick OKC  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El Alright, you caught me, that was Billy Crystal. Billy Joel did Piano Man, Only the Good Die Young, Tell Her About It, and a number of other great songs.

Patrick OKC
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 @ou_sas  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El

 I thought that was Billy Crystal.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @Patrick OKC  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El No, he was the voice of Mike in Monsters, Inc.

ou_sas
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 @Tronchaser  @ThunderChick2010  @DennisBerry  @El I know it probably wouldn't have, but it would have been worth it to try.

Patrick OKC
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 @ou_sas  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @ElNever heard of him, was he on the Voice?

 

ou_sas
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 @Patrick OKC  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El No, we haven't made it to Green Day in our discussions, at least while I've been around (And I prefer them before pre-American Idiot - Dookie was, and still is, their best album). I meant Billy Joel.

Tronchaser
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 @ou_sas  @ThunderChick2010  @DennisBerry  @El That wouldn't have worked on me, ou_sas!

Patrick OKC
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 @ou_sas  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @ElDo you mean Bill Joe (Armstrong)?  No "L" and who hasn't heard of Green Day?

 

ou_sas
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 @Patrick OKC  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @El The Tommy Tutone. Remember, there's some (relative) kids on this board too. TC will remind you of the time she had to introduce ElMexi to Billy Joel.

Patrick OKC
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 @ou_sas  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry  @ElUnerstand what, the Tommy Tutone reference or the Fresh Prince one?

 

ou_sas
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 @Tronchaser  @DennisBerry I think Dennis only gets on DT in the evening, may have to wait til then. I do know that he's got a facebook that he links to, or he posts his phone number occasionally. You might check his previous posts through his livefyre profile.

long arm of the law
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 @ou_sas  You can do better than that.

 

His phone number is- 580 647 34one7

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @cemitten Hey, find a post for someone, he gets an answer to his question. Teach him to look for himself, he gets lost in the internet.

ou_sas
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Fair warning to ye: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_like_a_pirate_day

Barry Amenema
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 @ou_sas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IimDpk09wpc

Tronchaser
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 @ou_sas This takes me back to me Navy days. Arg.

long arm of the law
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 @ou_sas https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=xx-pirate

ou_sas
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 @cemitten I always liked that you could change google's language to Pirate, even on days other than the 19th.

Tronchaser
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Just sent @cemitten  and @cleandoe  an email.

 

 

Tronchaser
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 @cemitten  @cleandoe Like? Dislike? Dumb? Cool?

long arm of the law
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It could easily catch on and be a pretty big thing if its done right. 

Tronchaser
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 @cemitten Well, so far not one person has said it's a stupid idea... so that's promising.  I need to get back in touch with my friend who'll do most of the coding.  I'm diggin' it.

long arm of the law
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 @Tronchaser yeah I understand.  Once you start thinking about things like this more and more ideas start flowing.  Hard to encompass them all into one email.

Tronchaser
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 @cemitten that was the plan, but I hate typing out all that crap. I just wanted to give the basic outline.

long arm of the law
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track

long arm of the law
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The weekly and daily help it out.  Maybe create groups so you and your friends could easily keep truck of eachother

 

ou_sas
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 @Tronchaser  @cemitten  @cleandoe If you don't mind, you've piqued my interest now too...

 

Andrew.Whiteside@gmail.com , si vous plait.

ThunderChick2010
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 @ou_sas  @cemitten 

s'il vous plait

ou_sas
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 @Tronchaser Huh, I didn't know that. Though to be fair, it would have been Welsh longbowman, not English.

ou_sas
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 @Tronchaser Thanks!

Tronchaser
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 @ou_sas  One thing that I found cool (maybe the wrong word) was that the middle finger thing came from the French taunting the English about cutting off the fingers of the English longbowman...  I  love to find the roots of dumb things.

Tronchaser
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 @ou_sas    Email sent ou_sas

ou_sas
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 @cemitten We usually do, but you're forgetting the inherent disdain the English have for all things French. If we can go out of our way to tweak their noses, we will.

long arm of the law
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 @ou_sas I thought *You* internationals were supposed to know "all the languages". 

 

I only think that because of 7th grade french where i'd intentionally butcher the pronunciation to help remember.  Sill voos plate

ou_sas
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 @cemitten Probably, but I don't really speak french. I'm just remembering elementary school lessons from the mid-1990s.

long arm of the law
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 @ou_sas  isn't it "sil vous plait?"

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